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don't ignore the rest of what he's saying at all... not at all. forget the other good points made and mention that "well there's a lot of graffiti elsewhere, so we'd have to tear down lots of jc!" cmon. Option 1: light rail extension. Dunno how good of an idea that would be with residences literally on top of that, but it would at least provide a service. Option 2: get rid of it. Small townhouses, 3-4 story buildings for apartments or condos, brownstones, ground-level park - these are all workable options that don't cost the city money and in at least a few of those cases, give the city taxable assets. Hell, have a ground-level parking lot on one block so us locals that have cars can get easier parking in the neighborhood. Making it an elevated park is a tremendous waste of resources that JC can't afford to do right now.
Posted on: 2010/10/5 12:26
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Yes the water has to go somewhere, that's why the civil engineers hired by the developer are required by law to design something to manage the stormwater, such as an underground detention basin. Your basement might flood but it will not flood because they put condos where the embankment is.
Posted on: 2010/10/5 12:06
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Some people should suck rotten eggs. Of course Jersey City is not Manhattan but that is not to say that Jersey City can't or shouldn't have nice public spaces.
I remember when all the naysayers had a littany of excuses for why we didn't need the light rail. Now look at it - those trains are crowded even on the weekends. I'm not sure that Hyman is entitled to any return, and quite possibly the property is worth less than he paid for it.
Posted on: 2010/10/5 11:54
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Based on that criteria, you would then have half of Jersey city torn down. Save that argument for where it's appropriate (i.e. Montgomery Towers).
Posted on: 2010/10/5 8:58
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Three 400-unit high rises were part of Hyman's plan that he testified last month. So much for the unity you aspire to have...
This wealthy developer is arguing that he's had financial hardship and deserves a 12% return on his property. Many residents who testified last night wondered how they too could sign up for whatever he believes he's entitled to.... Last meeting tonight, everyone.
Posted on: 2010/10/5 8:31
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Hi. I'd like to chime in.
You know, JCBOYZ isn't the only one who would like to see the embankment torn down. I actually lived across the embankment for about 7 years in the 1990's on 6th St btw Erie and Jersey. I now live in Harsimus cove a few blocks away. It's an eyesore folks. There is absolutely nothing historic about it. Its a standard brick wall built in the 1800's for a train track. It's also dangerous. Bricks are falling off, and folks are still getting mugged around there. And its a graffiti magnet. Sketchy at night. Jersey City is in an economic HOLE folks. 80 million deficit last year and growing. We can't afford to make this a park. We're not Manhattan and this thing will NEVER be like the high-line. There is no big financial backers for it. And with property taxes having gone up like 30% or more... enough with the spending already. They just renovated Hamilton Park... go there. There will not be HIGH RISES there... townhouses folks. And really, I question the use of the word Watershed. I don't think so based on what I've read online about what a watershed is. Tear it down, build historically correct town homes, and let them be taxed. One thing though, no developer tax abatements. Those need to stop altogether. I would guess that the majority of the supporters for the embankment live on 5th street and enjoy free parking from the alley and nice private yards. That is why they don't want it removed. Just thought I would chime in. Tear down the wall and bring unity to Hamilton Park and Harsimus Cove. FG
Posted on: 2010/10/5 7:36
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Two bad omens. If he gets his approval, just watch how fast the embankment disappears. Then get ready to look at fallow ground for 10 years just like 111 First.
Posted on: 2010/10/4 23:56
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the hearing ended with Steve Hyman being recalled as a witness by his attorney. it will continue Tuesday, 10/5, 6pm with the additional cross examining by the coalition's attorney and then summations by both sides and a vote - first on whether the property should be considered as a commercial property, if no, the hearing will consider the historic issues, if yes, then the board will determine on economic hardship, if yes, then done , if no again the historic significance is considered.
note, not only has former Councilman Steve Lipski, previous recipient of Mr. Hyman's campaign contribution largess (under various names/entities) been accompanying the applicant at the past two hearings (also the council meeting that approved bonding to acquire the Embankment), he was joined (at the hip) this evening by former city Business Administrator Brian O'Reilly. while a good public turnout, hopefully even more will come out to oppose the demolition tomorrow, Tuesday.
Posted on: 2010/10/4 23:42
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Other post was deleted... Tonight there was a good attendance and many residents testified. Please if anyone knows the outcomes, post here!
Posted on: 2010/10/4 22:03
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According to the Coalition, if Hyman is granted Certificates of Hardship, that will override any decision on Certificate of Appropriateness to demolish and result in the defacto granting of demolition permits. They believe the board will vote tonight! Please show your support!
Posted on: 2010/10/4 11:05
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Please come out again to oppose demolition of the 6th St. Embankment tonight, Monday, 10/4 and Tuesday, 10/5, 6pm at City Hall.
After 12 years of preservation efforts, the Zoning Board is holding court ordered demolition hearings. Your presence is needed to show that residents care. Together, we must protect this valuable historic resource and right of way for open space, for our future.
Posted on: 2010/10/4 10:13
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You have already changed your tune on the Embankment and thus you present the exact reason why residents must fight developers. First just a street level park and then a few "townhouses"? No. People like you cannot be trusted. We need Greenspace for residents plain and simple. The Embankment would be a fine example of greenspace plus our local history preserved in a beautiful and dignified fashion.
Posted on: 2010/10/4 8:21
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It's absolutely asinine that they'll allow witnesses who have everything to gain by demolishing the Embankment testify yet people who may have given 10 bucks to support the coalition cannot. Please try and attend Mon and Tues if you can!
Posted on: 2010/10/3 21:36
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They Want to Demolish the Harsimus Branch Embankment - Do YOU? Have no regrets; make your voice heard! Jersey City Zoning Board of Adjustment Hearings on Demolition/Certificates of Economic Hardship Monday, Oct 4, 2010, 6 pm Tuesday, Oct 5, 2010, 6 pm City Hall Council Chambers, 2nd Floor, 280 Grove St The Embankment Preservation Coalition has kept the historic Embankment standing on 6th Street through 12 years of attacks. In the demolition hearings going on now before the Zoning Board, the deck is stacked against us. Most troubling to anyone who believes in our constitutional right of free speech, and our civic duty to participate in such an important decision, a judge determined that the Board should not allow anyone who has donated money to the Coalition to cross-examine witnesses; they should do so through the Coalition attorney. This decision was made despite the fact that donors to the Coalition have no voting rights and did not hire or even meet this attorney; only our corporation is represented. Thus, the very people who support preservation most strongly –some of whom are property owners whose property will be immediately impacted by demolition – are silenced. The Zoning Board has not yet decided if Coalition donors can even make statements during the public comment portion of the meeting. If you have donated to the Coalition, please attend to make your presence known. If you have NOT donated to the Coalition, it is more important than ever that you attend these hearings – you may be the ONLY supporters allowed to make your opinion known to the Board.
Posted on: 2010/10/3 17:05
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Those stones are completely ugly and the entire structure must bie taken down. A compromise needs to take place where a coupe parks should be placed on some blocks and development on others.
Posted on: 2010/10/2 8:25
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Posted on: 2010/10/2 2:43
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A REAL Environmental Impact Study...Brunswick,Coles,Jersey, Erie,Grove, Marin, 5th Street, 6th street....
Posted on: 2010/9/30 20:34
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Really funny. Meeting still on.
Hyman and wife sitting with Steve Lipski, former councilman who disgraced himself by urinating on the public, from the balcony at a Grateful Dead concert. PERFCT TOGETHER.
Posted on: 2010/9/30 20:24
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Amen brother! So tired of being pushed around by politcians and developers.
This is our city. We live here and care. If they build, your backyards will have no alleys. You will most likely be looking into someones window. How much money does Hyman need. He already made 25 mill off gulls cove. Go rape the land somewhere else. SOB.
Posted on: 2010/9/30 17:25
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Absolutely correct - as someone who owns a home with a backyard directly facing the Embankment, the destruction would suck for so many reasons I want to down a bottle of scotch right now just thinking about it. But to fraulein's point, if these structures are torn down be prepared for hell to break loose all over Harsimus Cove/Village/Hamilton Park. Massive traffic jams (Monmouth already sucks in the morning, can you imagine what demolition and construction would do?), dust and other unknown contaminants/pollution, further stress on an already overstressed sewage system via loss of a major water shed and having 1500 condos linking into the sewage line, and so on. Not to mention their historical value and to my eyes an aesthetically pleasing affect on the neighborhood. Essentially if you live within a minimum of 5 blocks of any Embankment structure in any direction you will be affected. Please come tonight to show your support.
Posted on: 2010/9/30 16:49
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Why just 5th and 6th street - it's my understanding they want to put close to 1500 units, which would be the full space of the current embankment... This will affect anyone living near Hamilton Park, regardless if you're right on it.
Posted on: 2010/9/30 16:14
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I hope there is a good turnout. It will be really terrible for the folks on 5th and 6th the have hi rise apts in their back yards. We really must show our supprt tonight and stop this insanity.
Posted on: 2010/9/30 15:59
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No, the Zoning Board has not denied yet the "Certificate of Appropriateness" under this re-hearing ordered by Judge Galipoli.
I just received this email from the Embankment: If you can come tonight, even for a while it will be very helpful. The Zoning Board should vote tonight the applicant's Certificate of Economic Hardship. If the vote is with the applicant they could get the right to demolish the Embankment. Please come out and show that you oppose demolition. We need to be very orderly and respectful of the board and the applicant. Numbers will show the board how how many people demolition will impact. The meeting starts at 6pm and we expect them to move fairly quickly through the end of the application for economic hardship to have the board vote. We hope you can make it out tonight! Best, Jenny Meyer 917-379-3455 Quote:
Posted on: 2010/9/30 14:27
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Thanks - we'll be there! Does that mean that the zoning board has already denied the Certificate of Appropriateness?
Posted on: 2010/9/30 14:08
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Hyman will apply for a "Certificate of Economic Hardship" before the Zoning Board which if granted could give him the right to demolish the Embankment! Please come out ready to speak as now is the time that the city should pursue the right to declare eminent domain. The city council has already approved this and the city has secured $6.8 million in grants for purchase. In such a hearing the city would have to " offer the highest appraisal in any condemnation proceeding", according to the Jersey City Independent article. 
Posted on: 2010/9/30 13:48
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Just got an alert email from Embankment Coalition about another meeting tonight at city hall @ 6. Does anyone know the details of this meeting vs. the others? We've gone to every one so far and weren't sure why this one may be more important than the others. Thanks.
Posted on: 2010/9/30 12:19
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I was instinctively disappointed until I read the last paragraph noting that the city needed to wait for this outcome to pursue eminent domain. If the decision was reverse, it seems it would be a lot harder to declare eminent domain. We need to do that already....
Posted on: 2010/9/30 6:30
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We have much more on the federal court decision, what comes next, reaction from the city and Hyman, and the actual court document:
Judge Rules Against Jersey City and Embankment Coalition in Federal Case
Posted on: 2010/9/30 6:17
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Devastating.
Posted on: 2010/9/30 5:07
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Court denies challenge to sale of NJ rail property
JERSEY CITY, N.J. Jersey City and two nonprofit groups have lost their bid to stop Conrail from selling a portion of abandoned rail property in the northern New Jersey community to developers. In a ruling made public on Wednesday, a federal judge in Washington, D.C., found that three parties don't have standing to bring the suit and issued a summary judgment in favor of Conrail. Jersey City and the two groups - Rails to Trails Conservancy and the Pennsylvania Railroad Harismus Stem Embankment Preservation Coalition - want to preserve the property known as the Sixth Street Embankment. The city has designated it a "historic landmark." But the judge found the plaintiffs failed to show sufficient evidence of imminent injury to their interests. http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1 ... Zp6RBpfKScMsrnYqsgZbYzPBM
Posted on: 2010/9/30 1:59
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