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Re: Will PSE&G Solar Panels be Placed in Front of your Historic Home? They are coming soon to JC!
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"All the panels around the state will produce 80 megawatts when the installations are complete next year, enough electricity for about 12,000 homes for a year."

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That is not a drop in the bucket.


all of the panels in the entire state will power a tiny community. if that's not a drop in the bucket, what is?


If the individual panels were part of one plant, it would be one of the larger solar plants in the united states.

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all of the panels in the entire state will power a tiny community. if that's not a drop in the bucket, what is?


Precisely. that's about 1/4 of Hoboken. Far more could be saved by putting a fraction of that cash into conservation like retiring ancient fridges and AC's. It's all theater and promotion, just like how all the TV dishes are always visible from the street, they rarely put them in back, they get a billboard out of every customer.

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I have no problem with the sleek-looking solar panels, it is the ugly wooden telephone poles and droopy tangle of wires to which I object blocking my views. Where do I lodge my complaint, please.

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"All the panels around the state will produce 80 megawatts when the installations are complete next year, enough electricity for about 12,000 homes for a year."

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That is not a drop in the bucket.


all of the panels in the entire state will power a tiny community. if that's not a drop in the bucket, what is?

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Don't look up if you don’t like the panels.. I have no problems with it.. To be fair they better find a place to hang these panels around Newport

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"All the panels around the state will produce 80 megawatts when the installations are complete next year, enough electricity for about 12,000 homes for a year."

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That is not a drop in the bucket.

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It's amazing they could do it without ANY public scrutiny. 240 watts. That doesn't go very far.


This is just another example that idiots are running this state (and this country, for that matter)

They have ugly wooden poles everywhere in NJ and tiny solar panel attached to them.

I mean this whole scheme would be funny if it was not for $500 million wasted.

The inmates are in charge of the asylum, for sure.

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I agree these things are an eyesore in an already challenged public landscape. It's amazing they could do it without ANY public scrutiny. 240 watts. That doesn't go very far. I think this is all theatrics, to be VERY public with their "greenness". They say they're also placing them on roofs, but it's got to be so much more expensive in terms of redundant electronics and installation costs. If they cost $1000 apiece it's got to cost at least half that just to install them.

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They don't produce enough electricity to ever pay for themselves,


Perhaps that's because electricity isn't priced correctly.

So you're against solar cells. I'm guessing based on your signature, you aren't too fond of natural gas. So what do you want? Nuclear plant maybe? We could put it on Hackensack River perhaps. Should we build another coal plant? You know, coal ash is radioactive; they give off more annual background radiation than a nuclear plant. Maybe oil? Or are you going to go off the grid and stop using electricity, unplug the laptop and turn off all the lights?

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They don't produce enough electricity to ever pay for themselves, they brought few jobs since they are made in China and only snapped together here.

NJ is just the start this Taxpayer Boondoggle -- it is going national next!

...and BTW, these eyesores are placed next to all type houses -- well except perhaps wealthy Bergen County houses -- which PSE&G obviously waited till last to do! I wonder why...

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what a f$cking eyesore!! idea is in the right place assuming they eventually payoff as initially it is just a cost pass on to us. why cant it be confined to rooftops and the like???

plus they are $1000 a piece...they are gonna get stolen soooo fast!!

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I am all for them if they can be shown to provide cleaner and hopefully cheaper energy. As far as the aesthetics, I find many of the houses next to the panels to be more of an eyesore than the panels.

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Solar Panels Rise Pole by Pole, Followed by Gasps of ‘Eyesore’

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Solar panels along Fifth Street in Fair Lawn, N.J. Residents elsewhere were upset they had not been notified before installation.

The New York Times
By MIREYA NAVARRO
Published: April 27, 2011

ORADELL, N.J. — Nancy and Eric Olsen could not pinpoint exactly when it happened or how. All they knew was one moment they had a pastoral view of a soccer field and the woods from their 1920s colonial-style house; the next all they could see were three solar panels.
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Energy or Eyesore?

A utility lineman installing a solar panel for PSE&G in Totowa, N.J. The utility is mounting 200,000 individual panels.

“I hate them,” Mr. Olsen, 40, said of the row of panels attached to electrical poles across the street. “It’s just an eyesore.”

Around the corner lives Tom Trobiano, 61, a liquor salesman, now adapting to the lone solar panel hanging over his driveway. “When it’s up close,” he said, “the panel takes on a life of its own.”

Like a massive Christo project but without the advance publicity, installations have been popping up across New Jersey for about a year now, courtesy of New Jersey’s largest utility, the Public Service Electric and Gas Company. Unlike other solar projects tucked away on roofs or in industrial areas, the utility is mounting 200,000 individual panels in neighborhoods throughout its service area, covering nearly three-quarters of the state.

The solar installations, the first and most extensive of their kind in the country, are part of a $515 million investment in solar projects by PSE&G under a state mandate that by 2021 power providers get 23 percent of their electricity from renewable sources. If they were laid out like quilt pieces, the 5-by-2.5-foot panels would blanket 170 acres.

New Jersey is second only to California in solar power capacity thanks to financial incentives and a public policy commitment to renewable energy industries seeded during Gov. Jon S. Corzine’s administration. But what might have been a point of pride in a state better known as the nation’s leader in toxic Superfund sites has instead caused suburban aesthetic unrest.

Some residents consider the overhanging panels “ugly” and “hideous” and worry aloud about the effect on property values.

Though nearly halfway finished, the company’s crews have encountered some fresh resistance in Bergen County, where cities, villages and boroughs are in varying stages of mortification. Local officials have forced a temporary halt in many towns as they seek assurances that they will not be liable in case of injury, but also to buy time for suggesting alternative sites — like dumps — to spare their tree-lined streets.

And here in Oradell, at least one panel has gone missing.

When and where the panels will show up next can be a mystery, prompting complaints over the lack of prior notice.

“I came back from running errands and there they were,” Mrs. Olsen, 37, said. “It’s not right. They should have warned us.”

In neighboring Ridgewood, Deputy Mayor Thomas M. Riche said constituents had called, sent e-mails and stopped him on the street demanding that he halt the encroaching blight. Ridgewood, an affluent village of about 24,000, got PSE&G to cease installations after only a few had been put up, over concerns that they would interfere with the emergency communications boxes on the poles.

The talks are continuing, Mr. Riche said, adding that he is trying to steer the Ridgewood panels to a town park-and-ride lot and its public schools.

“A cluster of panels in one area is better than individual panels all over the town,” he said. “We’re not against solar energy, but there are more efficient ways than having panels on the utility poles.”

PSE&G officials said their search for maximum sun exposure could not dodge and weave residential areas in a place as crowded as New Jersey. It turns out that only a quarter of the company’s 800,000 poles are suitable for the panels, which are mounted 15 feet high and need good southern exposure.

Solar industry experts approve of the decentralized pole-by-pole approach and said it could be just as efficient and cost effective as larger installations.

“Solar is extremely flexible,” said Monique Hanis, a spokeswoman for the Solar Energy Industries Association, a trade group based in Washington. “The utility owns the property already, and the panels can feed right into the transmission line.”

Ralph A. LaRossa, PSE&G’s president and chief executive, said that the company was also placing panels, which direct the energy they generate back into the power grid, at its industrial yards and on facility rooftops, and that it was leasing flat roofs of large buildings, including several schools in Newark. “We’re looking for ways to deploy the technology in the cheapest and most accessible way,” he said.

Yes, Mr. LaRossa said, his company could have communicated better, but he added that Bergen County had become “a pocket” of opposition in what had generally been a welcoming reception.

And not every burg in Bergen County is rebelling. Over in Fair Lawn, Mayor Lisa Swain said that her city had not interfered with the program and that she was trying to make the community sustainable in other ways, like using motion sensor lighting in city buildings.

“I’m going to do what I can,” she said.

Sean Smith, a 43-year-old airline sales supervisor in Fair Lawn, said he was fine with the seven panels on his street, especially “if it’s helping the greenhouse effect.”

“We have the kids to think about,” he said.

But his neighbor Tony Christofi, a 47-year-old contractor, wondered aloud whether Fair Lawn, by not fighting, was getting more than its fair share.

“I’m fine with green energy,” he said, “but are the savings going to be passed on to consumers?”

PSE&G officials said solar energy was still more expensive to produce than more traditional power sources and acknowledged that bills were going up 29 cents a month. Each panel produces 220 watts of power, enough to brighten about four 60-watt light bulbs for about six weeks. When complete, this project is expected to provide half of the 80 megawatts of electricity needed to power 6,500 homes.

Although he supports renewable energy, Gov. Chris Christie, through a spokesman, characterized the mandates that spawned the panel project as “extremely aggressive.” He has already asked that they be re-evaluated.

Over in Oradell, population 8,000, some residents say the new units aren’t worth the effort, producing too little power for the aggravation.

The case of the missing panel has been referred to local law enforcement.

“PSE&G takes a very dim view of people tampering with the equipment,” said Francis Sullivan, a company spokesman, “but that’s secondary to the fact that it’s just a dangerous idea.” All the units are connected to high-voltage wires.

Richard Joel Sr., a lawyer in town, said a panel close to his house had been removed, but demurred when asked if he knew details.

“I’m not saying what happened,” he said.


PSE&G started with the poorer areas and waited to do the real wealth till last! If these eyesores are kept from hanging all over Bergen County, then other NJ counties need to tear them down too! What a Billion Dollar Boondoggle!

Quote: "Though nearly halfway finished, the company’s crews have encountered some fresh resistance in Bergen County, where cities, villages and boroughs are in varying stages of mortification. Local officials have forced a temporary halt in many towns as they seek assurances that they will not be liable in case of injury, but also to buy time for suggesting alternative sites — like dumps — to spare their tree-lined streets."

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Would you rather they be fracking in the neighborhood? Yes, this is the horrible "sacrifice" you have to make as we march towards alternative energy sources. Maybe they can make a historic looking casing to place them in? We need alternatives and we need to move into the future and alls people do is bitch and moan. How did this country win World War II? By moaning and groaning? Suck it up, grow a pair and try to emulate, even for a minute, the courage real pioneers had to summon.

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just. so. ugly.

If I owned instead of renting, I would happily let PSE&G cover my unused, sun-drenched rooftop in solar panels.

I can't be alone. wouldn't most homeowners prefer these overhead and out of sight, rather than smack in front of their houses?

this is the kind of bullsh!t project that gives green energy a bad name.

did JC even explore other options?

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/28/sci ... .html?partner=rss&emc=rss

Solar Panels Rise Pole by Pole, Followed by Gasps of ‘Eyesore’

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Solar panels along Fifth Street in Fair Lawn, N.J. Residents elsewhere were upset they had not been notified before installation.

The New York Times
By MIREYA NAVARRO
Published: April 27, 2011

ORADELL, N.J. — Nancy and Eric Olsen could not pinpoint exactly when it happened or how. All they knew was one moment they had a pastoral view of a soccer field and the woods from their 1920s colonial-style house; the next all they could see were three solar panels.
Multimedia

Energy or Eyesore?

A utility lineman installing a solar panel for PSE&G in Totowa, N.J. The utility is mounting 200,000 individual panels.

“I hate them,” Mr. Olsen, 40, said of the row of panels attached to electrical poles across the street. “It’s just an eyesore.”

Around the corner lives Tom Trobiano, 61, a liquor salesman, now adapting to the lone solar panel hanging over his driveway. “When it’s up close,” he said, “the panel takes on a life of its own.”

Like a massive Christo project but without the advance publicity, installations have been popping up across New Jersey for about a year now, courtesy of New Jersey’s largest utility, the Public Service Electric and Gas Company. Unlike other solar projects tucked away on roofs or in industrial areas, the utility is mounting 200,000 individual panels in neighborhoods throughout its service area, covering nearly three-quarters of the state.

The solar installations, the first and most extensive of their kind in the country, are part of a $515 million investment in solar projects by PSE&G under a state mandate that by 2021 power providers get 23 percent of their electricity from renewable sources. If they were laid out like quilt pieces, the 5-by-2.5-foot panels would blanket 170 acres.

New Jersey is second only to California in solar power capacity thanks to financial incentives and a public policy commitment to renewable energy industries seeded during Gov. Jon S. Corzine’s administration. But what might have been a point of pride in a state better known as the nation’s leader in toxic Superfund sites has instead caused suburban aesthetic unrest.

Some residents consider the overhanging panels “ugly” and “hideous” and worry aloud about the effect on property values.

Though nearly halfway finished, the company’s crews have encountered some fresh resistance in Bergen County, where cities, villages and boroughs are in varying stages of mortification. Local officials have forced a temporary halt in many towns as they seek assurances that they will not be liable in case of injury, but also to buy time for suggesting alternative sites — like dumps — to spare their tree-lined streets.

And here in Oradell, at least one panel has gone missing.

When and where the panels will show up next can be a mystery, prompting complaints over the lack of prior notice.

“I came back from running errands and there they were,” Mrs. Olsen, 37, said. “It’s not right. They should have warned us.”

In neighboring Ridgewood, Deputy Mayor Thomas M. Riche said constituents had called, sent e-mails and stopped him on the street demanding that he halt the encroaching blight. Ridgewood, an affluent village of about 24,000, got PSE&G to cease installations after only a few had been put up, over concerns that they would interfere with the emergency communications boxes on the poles.

The talks are continuing, Mr. Riche said, adding that he is trying to steer the Ridgewood panels to a town park-and-ride lot and its public schools.

“A cluster of panels in one area is better than individual panels all over the town,” he said. “We’re not against solar energy, but there are more efficient ways than having panels on the utility poles.”

PSE&G officials said their search for maximum sun exposure could not dodge and weave residential areas in a place as crowded as New Jersey. It turns out that only a quarter of the company’s 800,000 poles are suitable for the panels, which are mounted 15 feet high and need good southern exposure.

Solar industry experts approve of the decentralized pole-by-pole approach and said it could be just as efficient and cost effective as larger installations.

“Solar is extremely flexible,” said Monique Hanis, a spokeswoman for the Solar Energy Industries Association, a trade group based in Washington. “The utility owns the property already, and the panels can feed right into the transmission line.”

Ralph A. LaRossa, PSE&G’s president and chief executive, said that the company was also placing panels, which direct the energy they generate back into the power grid, at its industrial yards and on facility rooftops, and that it was leasing flat roofs of large buildings, including several schools in Newark. “We’re looking for ways to deploy the technology in the cheapest and most accessible way,” he said.

Yes, Mr. LaRossa said, his company could have communicated better, but he added that Bergen County had become “a pocket” of opposition in what had generally been a welcoming reception.

And not every burg in Bergen County is rebelling. Over in Fair Lawn, Mayor Lisa Swain said that her city had not interfered with the program and that she was trying to make the community sustainable in other ways, like using motion sensor lighting in city buildings.

“I’m going to do what I can,” she said.

Sean Smith, a 43-year-old airline sales supervisor in Fair Lawn, said he was fine with the seven panels on his street, especially “if it’s helping the greenhouse effect.”

“We have the kids to think about,” he said.

But his neighbor Tony Christofi, a 47-year-old contractor, wondered aloud whether Fair Lawn, by not fighting, was getting more than its fair share.

“I’m fine with green energy,” he said, “but are the savings going to be passed on to consumers?”

PSE&G officials said solar energy was still more expensive to produce than more traditional power sources and acknowledged that bills were going up 29 cents a month. Each panel produces 220 watts of power, enough to brighten about four 60-watt light bulbs for about six weeks. When complete, this project is expected to provide half of the 80 megawatts of electricity needed to power 6,500 homes.

Although he supports renewable energy, Gov. Chris Christie, through a spokesman, characterized the mandates that spawned the panel project as “extremely aggressive.” He has already asked that they be re-evaluated.

Over in Oradell, population 8,000, some residents say the new units aren’t worth the effort, producing too little power for the aggravation.

The case of the missing panel has been referred to local law enforcement.

“PSE&G takes a very dim view of people tampering with the equipment,” said Francis Sullivan, a company spokesman, “but that’s secondary to the fact that it’s just a dangerous idea.” All the units are connected to high-voltage wires.

Richard Joel Sr., a lawyer in town, said a panel close to his house had been removed, but demurred when asked if he knew details.

“I’m not saying what happened,” he said.

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Just noticed that one of these solar panels has been installed at the intersection of 10th street and Jersey Avenue across from the Hamilton Inn.

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Funny I go down to Burlington every once and a while (used to live near there) and they have these things everywhere. They are all stationary so they cant be of an optimal angle to the sun which must make them very innefficient.

They should just put these things on top of the schools. Much more light away from trees and building shadow.

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Take a stroll down Warren St between York and Sussex just to see how PSEG is trashing the neighborhood. Just when you thought that they couldn't possibly put more crap on these poles.

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They're here. Jersey @ Bright.

(I'd add a picture I took, but can't figure out how to do it, short of posting it on a website first.)

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Have you (pro-solar ppl) heard about the nj clean power choice program? PSEG still delivers your electric, no change there; but you can choose to have your share of power supplied by renewable energy sources.

http://www.njcleanenergy.com/renewabl ... cleanpower-choice-program

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Hey thanks for posting this, these are awesome. Distributed solar generation with realtime two way data is a pretty epic step forward, I didn't know we were already taking it here in NJ. Honestly even if these are flat out money losing they will advance smartgrid implementation experience more than enough to make them worth it.

Kinda wish I got a BS in EE instead of IT so I could go join them.

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I like how the old colonial homes in suburban areas are being compared to much, much newer apartment buildings, condos and at most, brownstones. I would happily let PSEG use the roof of this place, but for the fact that it's a rental, so that's the landlord's decision. Plenty of sun up here on the roofs in downtown.

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Well, thank GOD for life on the waterfront. All electical lines are buried, hence no poles to hang these boondoggles from.

Although I guess they could use the light poles.

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sorry. one last thing. i DO appreciate that you're spreading the news like a schmeer

but bringing green sector jobs to THE #1/#2 "donor state"... I have no problem with that despite the fact that these panels may have little immediate cost savings. spread the $ across the state and country over time... well it's the first time JC got #OOPS#-all from the us gov't since margaret hague hospital or 9/11 cop toys

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to gp the op:

1. I don't live in a historic property so I don't have a dog in this fight. I live in a shitty midblock rowhouse with alumninum siding on a half lot. an ugly solar panel would be an improvement

2. neither do historical societies or zoning boards have a dog in this fight because the panels, if any, will be on poles with lots of other junk.

3. we could get rid of that other junk by putting electricty undeground but that's expensive... good for property values though

4. nobody should ever go to Burlington, NJ so please stop saying we should do that

5. the comments on the Plainfield website you listed... i would not describe them as "up in arms"

6. maybe I missed it, but I have not seen any indication that these panels will be installed in jersey city in front of "historic properties"

but what do you mean by that? a brick rowhouse or "brownstone"? they might be old but not historic or protected. and even if protected from destruction, they're not potected from this are they?

these solar panels are likely a govt-subsidy waste in many ways but publci sector investments in infrastructure - shovel-ready jobs/ green tech/ high tech - that's a big and hopefully sustainable part of obama's recovery and reinvestment act

maybe u think it's misapplied here. rooftops and parkway streetlamps would be better

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as far as some considering these an eyesore goes... are these really any more of an eyesore than a transformer on a utility pole, or any variation of antenna that you see mounted on poles and buildings?

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Quote:

freedom wrote:
Well, believe it or not the technology is here, it works, and is being perfected by inventors all over the world.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDeXTXYFKAY&feature=related


This is a scam recycled from the late 80's (in fact, given the VHS quality of the video and clothes worn.. it looks like that vid was made around then).

There is no magical free energy. Never has been, never will be.

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Reminds me of this woman I know who had a temporarily lapse of critical analysis skills while dating a scientologist. She started being very interested in the H2O car, while ignoring the input of an electrolyser sitting on the back seat.

She is doing fine now, she has broken up with him. I hope he is the one left with the "improvement courses" bills.

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