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Come on, Tell us what you really think?????
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If we here in this great nation called the United States of America have 'free' SOCIALIZED education (K thru 12) then WHY NOT 'free' SOCiALIZED healthcare?
I'll tell you why not: RACISM. Plain and simple. Almost every nation that is homogenious has socialized healthcare. But here..where there are Whites and minorities of Latino and Black--then it's.."NO SOCIAL HEALTHCARE!" Also, the OBSENE, INFLATED costs by the Hospitals and Phara-Industry is a SCAM--and MUST be brought DOWN ...NOW! If the U.S. taxpayer is 'happy' (most likely does NOT even know) paying $600 Billion for wars on Muslim people and 'happy' spending 5 $Billion yearly on Israel and the occupation of Palestine ...then why NOT fund the health of our own nation? MONEY FOR Healthcare, Education and JOBS.. NOT FOR WAR AND OCCUPATION!
Posted on: 2009/12/28 12:28
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I agree with Chester. Also, anyone who complains that Republicans were not included in the closed doors negotiations should remember one thing. The Republicans made it plain that they would vote against ANY healthcare bill. Why involve people who don't like to evolve? They can wait in the hall.
Posted on: 2009/12/28 12:06
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What a ridiculous column. We can all hit up Google and find obscure sites with talking points and opinions written by part-time bloggers who support one position or another.
Whether health care is a right or not is not the issue, but seriously, if you take the position that it is not a right, you are pretty much a douche in my book. Like you somehow earned your health care plan and anyone who doesn't have a health care plan is some kind of failure. Regardless, the real issue here isn't semantics, but delivery and payment of health care services. Canadians like their health care and their doctors. So do the Brits. US dissatisfaction is much higher even though we have some of the best doctors and hospitals around. This dissatisfaction comes from dealing with insurers who are in the business of making money. They have no incentive to heal. They make more money by refusing treatment than by healing. That is a sick situation (no pun intended). The layer of bureaucracy and profit motive and lobbying that comes between doctor and patient is the real issue and only adds to the cost of healthcare. Yeah, I know, the government sucks at everything and they shouldn't be involved in your health, blah, blah, blah. Look, it isn't perfect, and I am no expert, but Medicare for all is the way I think we should go. You can choose your doctors and they will be well-compensated and the universities and medical centers will continue to find new and better ways to fight diseases.
Posted on: 2009/12/28 11:52
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Who Needs Healthcare When You Can Have a Cheeseburger in Paradise
by Emiliano Antunez Exclusive to Strike The Root With all the cantankerous arguments filled with minutiae permeating the halls of Congress and the TV and radio talk shows, it’s hard to remember what the core issue of the healthcare debate is: Is there a natural right to healthcare? Many of the arguments in favor and even against President Barack Obama’s healthcare plans do not challenge or question the premise that healthcare is a right. I’m having trouble remembering on which day God created healthcare: was it on the fourth or fifth day? Actually, men and women over the centuries have created and improved healthcare. So the right to healthcare is a human made right, right? Franklin D. Roosevelt in his proposed Second Bill of Rights stated that U.S. citizens should have “The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health.” President Obama has said, “I think it should be a right for every American,” and Lyndon Johnson was quoted as saying, “every man has a right to a Saturday night bath.” I sure would like to hear the congressional debate on that one. What about a woman’s right to a Saturday night bath? Do gay men have a right to a Saturday night bath, and can more than one person legally inhabit the same tub? Can a Saturday night bath be taken on Wednesday? Why not give every American a right to free cheeseburgers? If we gave Americans the right to cheeseburgers, no one would starve to death. Without food, all the arguments about healthcare as a right becomes moot. Shouldn’t the right to food supercede the right to healthcare? However, how would the folks at the fast food restaurants get paid, how would the truckers who transport the beef get paid, and how would the ranchers get the money they need to feed the cows? If the fast food workers don’t get paid, they will quit their jobs; same goes for the truckers and the ranchers. The government can always subsidize cheeseburgers, but that would mean that they’d have to levy a tax to pay for the right of the people to cheeseburgers. However, who pays the tax? Isn’t it the same folks who are getting the “free” cheeseburgers? Or are just the “super rich” going to pay? Do the super rich have enough money to pay for all the necessary cheeseburgers? If not, the not so super rich will probably have to chip in. You can always limit the profits of fast food restaurants, truckers, and ranchers. However, in the long run, fewer and fewer folks would flip burgers, drive trucks, or herd cattle, making cheeseburgers scarce and more expensive. If the price of cheeseburgers rises, so must the subsidies to buy them, making it necessary to raise taxes on the super rich and the not so super rich while expanding the tax to include the not even close to being rich. The government could also tax “Cadillac” meats like filet mignon and sirloin. All these taxes reduce the amount of money these folks have to purchase other necessary goods and services, which in turn hurts those selling the goods or providing the service. If you are really into self-sufficiency, you can buy a cow or two and keep it in your back yard and grow a nice vegetable garden, but then you’d have to stay home to keep the cows from being stolen or to make sure the cows don’t eat your vegetables. Then you’d have to kill a cow (not in front of the kids) every once in a while, slice it up, store the meat in a freezer, and flip burgers while fending off a dozen PETA protesters on your front lawn (not to mention lying to the kids about where the burgers came from, and why a cow is missing). These new responsibilities would make it difficult for you to hold down a job, pay your utility bills, make your mortgage payments, or pay your children’s way through college. Some of you may argue that a cheeseburger does not equate to healthcare. Is not food necessary for survival? Isn’t a cheeseburger food? Then using the same arguments that healthcare is a right, free cheeseburgers should be a right. The truth is both healthcare and cheeseburgers are commodities that require labor and raw materials. If you decrease the amount of money doctors make either by forcibly paying them less or making it more expensive for them to practice, you will end up with fewer doctors and more waiters and taxi drivers (see the Cuban economy or lack thereof). This will result in a decrease in healthcare services and an increase in deaths from curable ailments (also see Cuba , but not through Michael Moore’s cheeseburger grease-tainted glasses). The healthcare system in the U.S. has its problems, but the problems are not caused by market forces, they are caused by government interference (see Medicare, Medicaid, and the multi-billion dollar insurance lobby with Congress in its hip pocket). If we continue on the current path, you’ll be more likely to survive a heart attack (probably caused by eating too many free cheeseburgers) in a restaurant or a taxi cab than in a hospital.
Posted on: 2009/12/28 11:02
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Once more, the people who support the country, i.e. the middle class get hammered so that everyone else can benefit.......THANKS .
Posted on: 2009/12/28 9:08
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Certain koolaid drinkers on here continue to deny That Canada's singlepayer system has several shortcomings. Chief among them is that Canada does not develop any drugs. They rely on American Pharma. Perhaps that is the next industry that Obama would like to take control of. It is not the GOP's bullshit line of having to wait six months in Canada. The NY Times can hardly be confused with the GOP.
As far as unions go, the Senate healthcare bill includes a $10 billion subsidy for unions. I guess Andy Stern's 20 visits to the Whitehouse since January on behalf of SEIU has paid off. Good luck to the DNC in getting seniors to vote for them when they start cutting $470 billion in medicare. Chances are they will take the cowardly way out and cut nothing and healthcare will become a $2 trillion entitlement. The Dems have used scare tactics over medicare cuts for decades to get seniors to vote for them. They just might have given up a huge voter block. I am looking forward to what the middle class with insurance will think of politicians that increased their taxes to pay for other people's healthcare.
Posted on: 2009/12/28 0:26
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You don't have to be so sarcastic. In fact I have read stories from both sides. The best article is The Cost Conundrum written by a doctor. He's got a new piece in December, Testing, Testing, comparing health care reform with agriculture reform in early 1900's. These are both great articles, esp the first one which provided an example of good health care and pointed out the right direction for the government: how to reward good health care. The second one I'm not fully convinced, but it still provided some great insight to me. Sally Pipes's book gave some hard statistics and facts. You cannot deny the fact that Canadians suffering from the long wait have to cross the border to do a simple back operation for example. And how government interventions (e.g., state level regulation) make premiums higher. And so on. What bothers me is the close-door negotiation (within the democrats) of the passing of Senate bill. In the end it looks exactly like the presidential elections: they have to buy out a few states to get what they want. Have we got tired of this already? Why should we kiss the ass of Florida to get a president elected? Why should New Jersey subsidize states that don't provide enough care for their own poor, including Ben Nelson's Nebraska? They just don't care, even the support from a few moderate Republicans. All they want is a f**king sixty votes.
Posted on: 2009/12/27 21:19
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Now we know where to go to solve the health care delivery crisis - The Pacific Research Institute and their 22 partisan researchers. Thanks.
Posted on: 2009/12/27 20:02
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I wonder if any one of you read this book: Ten Myths of American Health Care. It's written by a Canadian. The book is free for downloading.
In Canada there are still five million people, 16% of the population, who are waiting to get a primary care doctor. Read on how Massachusetts universal plan works; how those statistics about longevity and infant death rates are misleading; how insurance companies are under 51 (!) regulators, b/c each state has one, and forced to include acupuncture in the health plan they offer in some states (thus driving premiums up).
Posted on: 2009/12/27 14:43
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/27/health/policy/27states.html
Thanks to those f**king democrap congressmen, New Jersey loses again. "With tax revenues down and budgets breaking, the states — including Arizona, California, New Jersey, New York and Wisconsin — say they cannot afford to essentially subsidize other states’ expansion of health care."
Posted on: 2009/12/27 14:28
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How is this bill going to improve the situation?
Posted on: 2009/12/27 12:23
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The GOP has been spouting that same BS line for years now about Canada. "You'll have to wait 6 months"! Also, the main reason most companies are outsourcing work to other countries is because of the cost of Healthcare. Also, when an uninsured person turns up in an Emergency Room who do you think pays their bill? That's right, you and me. Also, Unions are well on their way to paring back healthcare benefits. Right now in this country most healthcare is catastrophic healthcare. Millions of dollars are spent to treat a person long after a disease has started to ravage their body. The only ones making money are Insurance Co. and Lawyers. I do know that "social Darwinism" worked really well in one place. The Warsaw Ghetto. Healthcare Now!!
Posted on: 2009/12/27 11:26
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There are a number of people who do not make the paper, are not famous, or do nothing special. They pay their taxes, perhaps serve in our country but they or members of their families do not have health care and I am also including dental care. It is now estabished that poor dental care is related to heart disease. Hospitals are closing in part of the amount of money they pay for defense care. Too much health care money goes to lawyers. I produced a show years ago on doctors marching in Washington DC on this exact reason. Our health care system is broken.
Posted on: 2009/12/27 10:57
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According to the Dirty One "we have the worst outcomes when it comes to healthcare."
This is news to me. When The Prime Minister on Italy got cancer he went to Cleveland for treatment. This is quite odd because according to the UN Italy has the second best healthcare in the world. This ranking is a joke. Americans are not fleeing to Italy for cancer treatment. Why do foreigners come to America to go to medical school if our healthcare system is so substandard. Perhaps Candians should stop coming here for treatment and maybe the rest of the world should stop buying drugs from American Pharma. When you say the middle class is being priced out of healthcare don't you really mean the unskilled and uneducated. If you are a skilled laborer chances are you receive excellent healthcare through a union. If you are college educated chances are you receive healthcare through your employer. I remember when Clinton had bypass surgery the NY Times reported that if he had bypass surgery in Toronto he would have had to wait six months for the operation. Lastly, The U.S. Constitution was a unique document at the time it was written and if it was written in the 1900's there is absolutely no evidence to suggest healthcare would have been included. I doubt many states would ratify such a large entitlement. Just because a concept is popular in the rest of the world means it should be a law in this country. Afterall, it seems in the last few decades genocide has become quite the trend in Africa, Europe, and Asia.
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Context is key. Why would the authors of the Constitution draft a document with the sole purpose of restricting the Federal government and then (under your assumption) throw it away with two words? Your assumption of this clause directly contradicts the 10 amendment, which says: Quote: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. The 10th amendment’s intention to limit the Fed is very clear. To assume “general welfare” means “anything Congress wants to tax and spend” doesn’t make common sense with the 10th amendment.
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Where in the Constitution did he get this authority?
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It was President Nixon who required employers to provide health insurance. Once the private insurers got into the picture, health care increased (hospitals and insurance).
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The point of the Constitution was to assert negative rights – what the government cannot take away from you. It also named a few specific powers that were delegated to the Fed. Everything else fell to the states. Therefore, if you do believe in government healthcare, it would have to be at the state level.
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No civil war. :) I'm just asking if I am free to act on my disagreement with you regarding this issue.
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Health care is a consumer good or service, in my opinion you have as much right to health care as you have a right to a cheap apartment overlooking central park.
Posted on: 2009/12/23 4:27
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Timo, I know you're just trying to provke but I will indulge... You can't compare the two (apples and oranges). The US Constitution was written in 1776 and is much older than the Constitution of the former USSR which was probably written around 1918 I assume. If the US Constitution was written in the early 1900's there probably would be something about health in there since it is a very popular concept in the rest of the world. The idea of universal health care (and social security for that matter) dates back to 1880s Germany and is also written into many western European Constitutions. No system is 100% perfect however, the US is the only industrialized country that does not have a universal health care system and we have the worst outcomes when it comes to health.
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heh? Sorry I'm not following. Are you saying you want to start a civil war over this? What is being forced on you?
Posted on: 2009/12/23 1:31
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Am I allowed to act on that disagreement? (Logically, free people must be able to act on their decisions, otherwise it is an illusory right, for example, having the right to free press but not the right to type anything.) Am I allowed to act on my belief without the initiation of force against me?
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Yes of course you are free to disagree. I'm not sure I'm making sense. I'm a little frustrated with how this issue is being debated. Everyone keeps bringing up the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the framers intentions which I think are irrelevant and a distraction to the debate. The Bill of Rights are amendments to the Constitution and more amendments can be added at any time. It's up to the populace through our elected officials to decide. It wasn't too long ago that black people and women were excluded from voting for example. The framers didn't intend for women and black people to vote, but we decided as a nation that it was the right thing to do. We evolved. And the idea that you are being taxed out of your money to support such a program is a fallacy. Everyone has to pay eventually and so will you. The real issue is the middle class is slowly being priced out of the so called free market because of added costs to the system and it is eating away at the core of the middle class and our American way of life. We are quickly becoming a nation of rich and poor. When someone has to declare bankruptcy because they cannot afford health care we end up paying for it anyway. And to deny someone medical attention because they have no means or insurance to pay for it is cruel and undignified. Think about all the homeless emotionally disturbed people. Wouldn't it be better for society as a whole if the mentally ill and EDPs were hospitalized and treated? Wouldn't crime go down?
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I respect and acknowledge your right to support that program. I encourage you to support it economically. Will you afford me the same respect and courtesy I am giving you? Am I free to disagree with you?
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God helps those who help themselves... to what?
Posted on: 2009/12/22 21:21
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Healthcare is not mentioned in the US Constitution; however, it is mentioned in the Constitution of the former USSR.
Ben Franklin established the Pennsylvania Hospital for the poor and the sick in 1751. The Pa. Legislature paid for half and the balance was paid for private donations. Healthcare was an issue in the 18th century and the founders recognized while the poor should be helped, the gov't, especially the federal gov't should not be responsible for subsidizing healthcare for everybody. Perhaps Poor Richards Almanac said it best," God helps those who help themselves."
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You guys are all arguing the wrong "rights". Yes education and healthcare are technically not "rights" as defined by the US Bill of Rights. However we have all (humankind) decided in the last century that mandatory education is good for society as a whole and is a basic human right. A more educated populace ecourages economic development which is good for everyone even the elite. In short, more educated literate people earn more and buy more stuff. The United Nations General Assembly has defined education as a basic human right in 1948 in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Quote: Article 26 The US has decided that it is economically beneficial to educate everyone. Unfortunately, the US hasn't come around to the idea that Healthcare is a basic human right yet, but I think we're all at the precipice of deciding on this. I personally believe basic healthcare is a human right. And so it is in the UN's Delaration: [quote]Article 25 Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control. Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.
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