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"professional skepticism".
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"professional skepticism".
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a person wrongly accused is TERRIBLE thing and can be a violation in itself, for sure.

but, imo, the worst possible scenario is disbelieving a victim -- i still don't know why you would do this out of hand -- so that she grows into an emotionally unhealthy adult and the perpetrator gets away with it, free to repeat the act.


No one said to disbelieve the alleged victim, just to use professional skepticism. How many people in this thread AUTOMATICALLY assumed the adult was guilty, just because a child said so? We don't know the facts or the evidence. Again, if you're wrong, you're throwing an innocent person in jail and ruining their lives.

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a person wrongly accused is TERRIBLE thing and can be a violation in itself, for sure.

but, imo, the worst possible scenario is disbelieving a victim -- i still don't know why you would do this out of hand -- so that she grows into an emotionally unhealthy adult and the perpetrator gets away with it, free to repeat the act.

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MikeyTBC... your initial thought should be to believe the child. your thought process is why children keep sexual and physical abuse to themselves


It seems that there's more evidence than just the child's word in this case.

But most accusations of such are false. Certainly from a statistical standpoint it does not make sense to believe the child first.

It is also not exactly compatible with our innocent-until-proven-guilty system.

Children learn at some age that they have absolute power over adults if they make certain accusations. And while this case doesn't seem anything like that, certainly "your initial thought should be to believe the child" is a thinking process that will ruin a lot of innocent lives and protect no children.


Problem with your train of thought is, that most pedaphiles
will take advantage of what you bring to light, that is that the child may be making the story up and in some cases thats true, but how many cases go un-reported and the pedaphile allowed to continue abusing children.

At the the end of the day, every report must be investigated and I think your comment about lives being ruiend is a bit over the top.


Problem with your theory is that your thought process tend to lock up an innocent people, which is the worst possible scenario.

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Yes, your fishing for a reaction, because no one in their right mind would even think of putting a question like your out there.

Its obvious your not a parent, but a mere Troll!!!


Asking questions is never a bad thing. Never.

You don't think the investigators are doing the same?

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Twelve-year old girls never make stuff up.

omg - FOCUS.

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Twelve-year old girls never make stuff up.

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MikeyTBC... your initial thought should be to believe the child. your thought process is why children keep sexual and physical abuse to themselves


It seems that there's more evidence than just the child's word in this case.

But most accusations of such are false. Certainly from a statistical standpoint it does not make sense to believe the child first.

It is also not exactly compatible with our innocent-until-proven-guilty system.

Children learn at some age that they have absolute power over adults if they make certain accusations. And while this case doesn't seem anything like that, certainly "your initial thought should be to believe the child" is a thinking process that will ruin a lot of innocent lives and protect no children.


Problem with your train of thought is, that most pedaphiles
will take advantage of what you bring to light, that is that the child may be making the story up and in some cases thats true, but how many cases go un-reported and the pedaphile allowed to continue abusing children.

At the the end of the day, every report must be investigated and I think your comment about lives being ruiend is a bit over the top.

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we're not in court.

in general, in the real world, we should absolutely BEGIN with believing the child and moving forward, soberly, from there.

to assume the child is NOT telling the truth sets up too many negatives in deference to one potential positive.

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MikeyTBC... your initial thought should be to believe the child. your thought process is why children keep sexual and physical abuse to themselves


It seems that there's more evidence than just the child's word in this case.

But most accusations of such are false. Certainly from a statistical standpoint it does not make sense to believe the child first.

It is also not exactly compatible with our innocent-until-proven-guilty system.

Children learn at some age that they have absolute power over adults if they make certain accusations. And while this case doesn't seem anything like that, certainly "your initial thought should be to believe the child" is a thinking process that will ruin a lot of innocent lives and protect no children.

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MikeyTBC... your initial thought should be to believe the child. your thought process is why children keep sexual and physical abuse to themselves

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According to today's Jersey Journal, the girl did have marks on her wrists from the handcuffs.


Thanks for the info. I didn't see the paper today. Thats all I was asking.

The rest of ya can go jump on someone else's case. I think there's a thread about a homeless person with a backpack sleeping in a BJ's cart near VVP.

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Yes, your fishing for a reaction, because no one in their right mind would even think of putting a question like your out there.

Its obvious your not a parent, but a mere Troll!!!

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According to today's Jersey Journal, the girl did have marks on nher wrists from the handcuffs.

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Fishing for a reaction isn't my style, plenty of others here for that.

Just asking if any proof or evidence has been released? If she was handcuffs, wouldn't there be marks on her wrists from getting out etc?

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Amazing, I've lived 2 blocks from this house for the past 10 years, and I've never seen this guy before. This will certainly be discussed at tonight's Village Neighborhood Association meeting in addition to our other topics. Meeting Agenda

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Given the recent Hofstra case, anyone think this might not be true or maybe exaggerated?


This case: 12 year old girl lured off the street by neighbor perv who put her in handcuffs.

Hofstra: college aged woman who willingly engaged with a group of guys and needed to come up with an excuse so her new boyfriend wouldn't think she was slutty.


So, NO.

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Given the recent Hofstra case, anyone think this might not be true or maybe exaggerated?


Are you serious or just trying to provoke a reaction out of people?

Either way, comparing this little girl to the Hofstra woman is just plain wrong.

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Given the recent Hofstra case, anyone think this might not be true or maybe exaggerated?

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The whole thing is just really, really scary and disturbing. I used to live just a few houses down from that guy. And the business with the mother/son is really Norman Bates.

What really scares me the most is that he will not spend that much time under lock and key. Thank God that the quick-thinking, brave little girl escaped this time, but when he gets out of jail there is a good chance that he will try something again and succeed. This will be especially true if his mother is not around to watch.

People like Mr. Luigi should NEVER, EVER be let loose again. Or if he is set loose, he should have his arms and legs cut off so he can't grab or chase any more little girls.

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Every Perv's house should be marked with a big letter "P" IN
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That body bag should be put to good use, that POS should be put in it.

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Resized Image Girl Escapes From Alleged Captor In N.J. Reporting Christine Sloan JERSEY CITY, N.J. (CBS) A 12-year-old girl allegedly held captive managed to set herself free by slipping out of her handcuffs. The child told police Luigi Pandolfo handcuffed her and held her hostage for two hours inside an empty Jersey City apartment behind his mother's home on Colgate Street. "The fellow in the next door house says he heard some screams," said neighbor Jean Kelly. Soon after the cries for help, investigators said, came a daring escape from the building's window, after the girl slipped out of her handcuffs. Police said the 12-year-old girl was able to flee as the suspect argued with his mother, using a fire escape. Maria Pandolfo, the alleged kidnapper's mother, came to his court hearing and told CBS in Italian that the girl is making up the story. She said the 12-year-old was in her house for five minutes looking at cats up for adoption and that she left using the front door. But the girl told the police she was abducted off of her bike, which she used again to ride back home. In court, the 33-year-old appeared to clench his teeth as the judge read the serious charges, kidnapping and sexual assault. "Allegations are that you specifically by force, you attempted to take the victims pants down," the judge said. A neighbor who did not want to be identified said Pandolfo tried to lead her into his apartment too. "He had three kittens and two, you know, the mommy and the daddy. I wouldn't go in. I had this sixth sense something wasn't right." "He's a loner. He never talked to anyone, always came out night. You never saw him in the day time. He just a pretty weird kid," neighbor Anthony Kelly said. Pandolfo's mother, still wearing black to mourn her husband's death, said her son was just misunderstood, and that he was innocent. Police told CBS 2HD that inside the suspect's house, investigators found several pairs of handcuffs, pornography, weapons, and body bags. The suspect was held on $500,000 cash bail. ================== see video: http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=7025216 Girl escapes kidnapper in Jersey City Monday, September 21, 2009 | 6:35 PM ABC By Toni Yates JERSEY CITY, N.J. (WABC) -- Police say a 12-year-old girl was abducted in Jersey City over the weekend, but she managed to escape and get help. Police arrested the suspect and charged him with kidnapping and sexual assault. In Italian and broken English, the mother of accused kidnapper, Luigi Pandolfo, insists her son is innocent. "He's a good boy. No one comes to our home," Maria Pandolfo said. She talked to Eyewitness News just moments before her son appeared by video monitor before a judge to hear the charges against him. A 12-year-old girl told police Luigi Pandolfo snatched her from her bicycle, took her into an apartment at 82 Colgate Street, handcuffed her, and then tried to sexually assault her Saturday night. The girl found her chance to escape when, police say, Pandolfo moved her to a vacant apartment behind his mother's house. He left, and when the girl heard Pandolfo arguing with his mother back at the apartment, the girl squeezed out of the cuffs, climbed down a fire escape, jumped on her bicycle and raced home to tell her parents. The suspect's mother insists, the girl was never in her home and that she was outside, looking at a kitten. A relative of the girl tells us, the family is still shaken, but is trying to help the child get through the ordeal.

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I have known the Pandolfo family for many years. Luigi has been a reclusive hermit for well over a decade now. His father passed away a few years ago and his sister passed away 2 years ago (at the age of 33). Prior to his sister passing, she had expressed how they were not getting along and how angry he was with her. I heard that neighbors would hear him argue and yell at his mom all the time. My heart goes out to his mom because she buried her husband, then her daughter and has been at the very least verbally abused by her son. She is an older woman who barely speaks English and lives alone with her sick son. Now, she must face the fact that he has done this terrible thing to this poor girl.

My heart goes out to the poor girl and I hope that she finds the strenght to overcome such a horrific experience. I can only imagine what this experience has done to her. I pray for both her and her family in such a difficult time.

As for Luigi, I hope they put him away for a really long time.

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...she was grabbed off the street by Luigi Pandolfo of 82 Colgate Ave...Pandolfo took the girl into a second floor apartment he shares with his mother at this address.. but the mother kept banging on the door... Fed up with his mother, Pandolfo, took the girl to an unoccupied house behind where he lives...
Seriously? I think anybody who lives near that address and has reason to be worried about this is already aware which house it is, there's no need to post a picture of three houses.

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I'm kinda racking my brain over here trying to figure out the whole mother situation.

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I'm kinda racking my brain over here trying to figure out the whole mother situation.

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