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'tit for tat' or 'not my problem' attitudes.


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Aw shucks! Thanks ErinMaiden and Regulator! I'll be sure to give you my seat when I see you on the PATH! ;)

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During my pregnancy I actually never wanted a seat on the train... not until the very end at least. During my initial months, I was so nauseous that the slightest whiff of B.O., morning breath, or cigarette smoke made me want to barf. I didn't want to be close to other people at all. One time this well-meaning middle-aged man insisted I take his seat... I just grinned and beared it.

For me though, It makes me feel good to be nice to someone else and give them my seat. Whether they be old, preggers, injured, with a child... what have you. I sometimes feel that I'm the one who gets the benefit. "Yes, I am young! I am healthy! and I am being thoughtful!... go me!"

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Compared to the NYC subway, the PATH is paradise.

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Too bad there isn't a 1st class section, I would gladly pay 2x the price to be away from the plebs.



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Yeah, but what about all these women who get pregnant just so that they can more easily get a seat on the PATH?


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Too bad there isn't a 1st class section, I would gladly pay 2x the price to be away from the plebs.

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That certainly was MY motivation!

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Yeah, but what about all these women who get pregnant just so that they can more easily get a seat on the PATH?

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I don't believe anyone here can dispute that helping another fellow human being out is a good thing for society. Whether simply offering a seat up to a pregnant woman, or one carrying a baby, or moving over to allow a young child to simply stand in the front car to enjoy the view from the window....it's everyone's duty as a citizen of humanity to try to be nice to each other, because kindness is infectious, as is nastiness. SO the less nastiness the better for all involved.
Now, on a safety front, pregnant women and fathers/mothers holding small children are already off-balance. Do you really want to contribute to one of them possibly falling, hurting themselves, the child, or the unborn baby when the train jerks about? Simply because you were self-righteously thinking 'bout equality or whether the child is riding free vs. your paid fare??

If an adult male is holding a large, unwieldy package on his torso, (similar to a pregnant woman is) then I would hope that a fellow rider might offer his seat up, as would I, to anyone I see might need some help.
Let's not take it all to the women VS men talk, it's not really the point, is it? (for the record, although I always declined because I never really needed the seat, I rode the PATH throughout my pregnancy, rarely being offered a seat, or a pole to hold on to. The handful of times I was offered, was USUALLY by a woman and usually they mentioned they had children, so they were also mothers.)
Just because some folks decided to have children, and others did not, is not the point, with child, or childless, we need to think of how we can contribute to the overall happiness and wellbeing of our society, and not try to take on 'tit for tat' or 'not my problem' attitudes.


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don't know how to quote but right on wayne!

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Oh, yes, that WSJ/nap thing was very popular the summers I was pregnant. Two summer babies. They couldn't even say that they didn't see that nine month belly under a coat.

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A decade or so when i was livivng in hoboken, my big giant pregnant self would wobble onto the train after a long day at work on my feet and every WSJ or voice would suddenly become so interesting that it needed to be read mere inches from their noses. it pissed me off terribly. did their mothers raise them to be like that? I noticed a big difference when i started riding the jsq path. which coincided with my 2nd pregnancy. All the construction guys, and "blue collar", even the thugy looking kids are so much kinder to preggars and little kids etc in this town. IMO.

Interesting, so certain types of employment, and dishelved folks determine when seats will be given up kind of a head scracher. It's funny though and I'm not that surprised how the corporate world tunes out the needs for others. I for one when boarding the 33rd. St. bound train prior to Hoboken on the weekend will always get a seat but wonder which woman I will give the seat up to when arriving in Hoboken by then the seats are all taken. I was taught by my mother to do so and I bet those blue collar / thugs were as well.

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A decade or so when i was livivng in hoboken, my big giant pregnant self would wobble onto the train after a long day at work on my feet and every WSJ or voice would suddenly become so interesting that it needed to be read mere inches from their noses. it pissed me off terribly. did their mothers raise them to be like that? I noticed a big difference when i started riding the jsq path. which coincided with my 2nd pregnancy. All the construction guys, and "blue collar", even the thugy looking kids are so much kinder to preggars and little kids etc in this town. IMO.

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Wearing high heels is a conscious decision that women make ... so I would absolutely never stand on a Path train because I saw a women walking in all wobbly from the high heels. If it doesn't make you comfortable, then don't wear the damn things. Nobody told you to wear those. That being said, I generally am a gentleman, just because it was how I was raised.

What gets me is that all these women wear high heels that add 3 or 4 inches to their height, when it is the WOMEN who want the MEN to be tall. Why the hell aren't we, the men, wearing shoes that make us taller! Strange world...LOL.

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OH no. oh no. Do not even go there.


Finally a sane person shows up. I almost did a double take, like I read his post wrong. If anything, Iwitness is closer to the truth. I was just pointing out the opportunities are out there. Yes, the ladies haven't gotten full equality just yet, but we are making strides. To imply they have it better because of alimony and maternity leave is off-the-mark.

Iwitness, I see your point and its valid, but you have to admit, 50 years ago, women had it much worse.


They sure did. I'll still give up my seat and hold the doors open, though. Because they still go through shit I will never have to, including but not limited to childbirth.

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I don't believe anyone here can dispute that helping another fellow human being out is a good thing for society. Whether simply offering a seat up to a pregnant woman, or one carrying a baby, or moving over to allow a young child to simply stand in the front car to enjoy the view from the window....it's everyone's duty as a citizen of humanity to try to be nice to each other, because kindness is infectious, as is nastiness. SO the less nastiness the better for all involved.
Now, on a safety front, pregnant women and fathers/mothers holding small children are already off-balance. Do you really want to contribute to one of them possibly falling, hurting themselves, the child, or the unborn baby when the train jerks about? Simply because you were self-righteously thinking 'bout equality or whether the child is riding free vs. your paid fare??

If an adult male is holding a large, unwieldy package on his torso, (similar to a pregnant woman is) then I would hope that a fellow rider might offer his seat up, as would I, to anyone I see might need some help.
Let's not take it all to the women VS men talk, it's not really the point, is it? (for the record, although I always declined because I never really needed the seat, I rode the PATH throughout my pregnancy, rarely being offered a seat, or a pole to hold on to. The handful of times I was offered, was USUALLY by a woman and usually they mentioned they had children, so they were also mothers.)
Just because some folks decided to have children, and others did not, is not the point, with child, or childless, we need to think of how we can contribute to the overall happiness and wellbeing of our society, and not try to take on 'tit for tat' or 'not my problem' attitudes.

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Don't fathers get leave under Family Whatever Act?

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Finally a sane person shows up. I almost did a double take, like I read his post wrong. If anything, Iwitness is closer to the truth. I was just pointing out the opportunities are out there. Yes, the ladies haven't gotten full equality just yet, but we are making strides. To imply they have it better because of alimony and maternity leave is off-the-mark.

Iwitness, I see your point and its valid, but you have to admit, 50 years ago, women had it much worse.

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no they aren't treated equally. Its called alimony. Its called maternity leave. Why shouldn't a father be allowed to help with his new born child.


OH no. oh no. Do not even go there.

The only reason men don't get maternity leave is because they do not give birth and cannot breast feed. And you know what? The 6 weeks we women do get IS NOT ENOUGH. In Sweden both parents get leave... I think women get a year and men get 6 months (don't quote me... it's something like that).

In our country, it's about $$$$ so women are forced back to work way too soon. Babies are left with strangers. It sucks.

Recovering from child birth takes time. Taking care of a newborn is exhausting. Don't ever think maternity leave is some sort gift women get... it is barely adequate. And yes, having a child is a choice and well worth it, but it is not easy.

I WISH my husband was allowed paternity leave... but only to help me out!

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When I was pregnant, men rarely offered me a seat. It was usually the women. I'm having a tough time understanding all this hostility to doing the right thing by people who cannot move fast enough knock other people out of the way to get a seat on the train - whether it be because of pregnancy, crutches, or advanced age. (You'll note I didn't say high heels.)

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LOL yeah that settles it, two of the nine members of our country's Supreme Court are women (as of tomorrow's swearing in). That's proof that gender equality has been achieved, and no imbalances exist.

Funny how you chose the word "ample" instead of "equal" in describing the opportunities available to women. Ample, as in "enough." According to?

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no they aren't treated equally. Its called alimony. Its called maternity leave. Why shouldn't a father be allowed to help with his new born child.

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The proof is all around you. We dont need an amendment to prove we are all equal, just look at all the women in the work force, our secretary of state, our most recent supreme court judge. You seriously think women don't have ample opportunity in this country?

No chip, I just feel if women are going to take us to task for not standing, they should be held equally accountable.

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it's not about equality. it's about manners, across both sexes. if you see someone who could use that seat more than you could, why not offer it up? whether it's a man or a woman.


Well the idea that men need to give up their seat harkens back to the days before we were all equal, and thats all I am saying. I fully agree its about manners, and I would happily give my seat up to a preggers or a old person, but so should an able bodied woman. Thats all I am saying. Its not all on guys shoulders.


So men and women weren't all equal prior to laws that went into effect to declare and protect that equality?

I think your argument cuts both ways. Sure, on paper, there is gender equality. In practice, there's a long, long way to go, despite all the progress that's been made.

"Equality" is pretty ephemeral. So as a dude, I have absolutely no problem holding a door open, letting a woman off first, or giving up my seat to a pregnant or disabled rider before a woman has a chance to offer hers. Maybe it's just how my momma and daddy done raised me. Why the chip on the shoulder about it?

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it's not about equality. it's about manners, across both sexes. if you see someone who could use that seat more than you could, why not offer it up? whether it's a man or a woman.


Well the idea that men need to give up their seat harkens back to the days before we were all equal, and thats all I am saying. I fully agree its about manners, and I would happily give my seat up to a preggers or a old person, but so should an able bodied woman. Thats all I am saying. Its not all on guys shoulders.


Where is the proof we are all equal? As far as I was told the ERA was never ratified. I just don't act like a gentleman because when I'm on the path with around 40 pounds of equipment people aren't even nice enough to try to move out of the way let alone give me a seat.

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it's not about equality. it's about manners, across both sexes. if you see someone who could use that seat more than you could, why not offer it up? whether it's a man or a woman.


Well the idea that men need to give up their seat harkens back to the days before we were all equal, and thats all I am saying. I fully agree its about manners, and I would happily give my seat up to a preggers or a old person, but so should an able bodied woman. Thats all I am saying. Its not all on guys shoulders.

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Jennymayla, you are right on the money. Giving up your seat to someone who needs it more is just good manners, and makes living in a crowded city that much more bearable.

I once gave up my seat to a perfectly healthy-looking woman who happened to be wearing a pair of killer heels. I had on sneakers. It was simply a nice thing to do.


Well, quite frankly I have no idea why (or how) women wear ridiculous high heels. Especially when walking or train riding is included in their day. Nobody notices your shoes except other women!!!!


You seem to notice. Jus' sayin'.

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Jennymayla, you are right on the money. Giving up your seat to someone who needs it more is just good manners, and makes living in a crowded city that much more bearable.

I once gave up my seat to a perfectly healthy-looking woman who happened to be wearing a pair of killer heels. I had on sneakers. It was simply a nice thing to do.


Well, quite frankly I have no idea why (or how) women wear ridiculous high heels. Especially when walking or train riding is included in their day. Nobody notices your shoes except other women!!!!


Yes, other women notice the shoes themselves, but men notice the way they make you walk.

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Jennymayla, you are right on the money. Giving up your seat to someone who needs it more is just good manners, and makes living in a crowded city that much more bearable.

I once gave up my seat to a perfectly healthy-looking woman who happened to be wearing a pair of killer heels. I had on sneakers. It was simply a nice thing to do.


Well, quite frankly I have no idea why (or how) women wear ridiculous high heels. Especially when walking or train riding is included in their day. Nobody notices your shoes except other women!!!!

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Wow this thread has really gone off the rails. I thought this was an open letter to our path nemesis, not a forum to b*tch about equal rights & seating privileges of pregnant women.

If only someone would post about dog-sh*t and then we could really tie together all that unites us Jersey City Folk...

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