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August 5th was a real \"red-letter day\" in my travels on the Path system. It started on my usual \"33rd Street\" line from Grove at 8am on the fifth car. Here I was met with the usual crush of passengers but left with plenty of room once we got started. With my son firmly gripping the handle I noticed a clearly pregnant passenger (6-months, i\'m guessing) looking for a seat; none of the healthy/young \"seated\" passengers even looked once. At Pavonia the car added two more pregnant passengers; one that was clearly at 8-months or better...Again no passenger moved. Finally after a group of fellow passengers began to get make some noise one young man stood up just before we reached speed in the tunnel. Awful, really awful...Can\'t stand for three or four stops.

The trip home which started at 5:30 from 9th Street after picking up my five-year old who enjoys sitting up front and looking out the window. Normally this is no issue what-so-ever, but not August 5th; not today. Today standing with legs spread around two bags of workout gear and reading a copy of Runners World with a pair of horn rimmed glasses, plaid long-shorts, button down short sleeved shirt, a smattering of \"tough guy tattoos\" a very androgynous looking fellow with frosted spiked hair wearing \"ladies\" NB running shoes would not allow my 5-year old to grab the handle and look out the window of a nearly empty train car. Four feet of space to his/her left would have allowed for this person to move the needed five inches to let a little boy have a little summer fun! This dude would not even budge for one second...had my 5 year old not been there I would have flipped, but I thought of how that might look to my growing boy; road rage in a train car...not cool. The passengers that saw this were equally upset as I found out after the ride, somehow I should have have just done something; so next time I see this type of behavior I will.

Really nice day on the Path Train. I hope that someday \"Pat\" has a child and gets on a hot Path platform and hopes that the 15 minutes can be passed with the help of a window seat for that \"tired and bored\" child and that a fellow passenger smiles and moves the needed five inches or more. Nice going jackass, I hope you also trip and fall while you go on your next run

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When its 87 degrees outside with 70% humidity and the subway platform is 147 degrees without any ventilation, people on the subway are probably going perspire, and they probably aren't going to smell very nice either, whether they are wearing deodorant or not.


Very true. However, to be real here, it's been more noteably stinky on the path for a month or so. This hot steamy weather has only been around for a few days.

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*SIGH* Since people are on a roll bashing brown-skinned people again, I'd like to point out that the Paris Metro on a hot summer day smells much, much worse than anything the PATH dishes out. Combine the lack of AC in the cars with people who haven't bathed or showered in a day or two and who have doused themselves with cologne, and it's pretty noxious in there. They're also wearing clothes that have cigarette smoke clinging to them along with the sweat and perfume. Get the idea??? It's not just a stereotype - the French really do believe that frequent bathing is "unhealthy" and sneer at our Anglo-Saxon obsession with hygiene. One day at work at work, one of my French co-workers looked a bit different. "Thierry," I asked, "Did you do something different with your hair?" "Non," he replied with a puzzled look, "I just washed it." Whereupon my face turned red and I never asked about anyone's hair again as long as I lived there.

Not all brown skinned as some are less shady then others. Also do not judge all for the actions of a few.


Funny, that's what I thought you were doing - especially since you never seem to miss an opportunity to put down immigrants, particularly Indians, and gush enthusiastically about Caucasian Europeans.

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*SIGH* Since people are on a roll bashing brown-skinned people again, I'd like to point out that the Paris Metro on a hot summer day smells much, much worse than anything the PATH dishes out. Combine the lack of AC in the cars with people who haven't bathed or showered in a day or two and who have doused themselves with cologne, and it's pretty noxious in there. They're also wearing clothes that have cigarette smoke clinging to them along with the sweat and perfume. Get the idea??? It's not just a stereotype - the French really do believe that frequent bathing is "unhealthy" and sneer at our Anglo-Saxon obsession with hygiene. One day at work at work, one of my French co-workers looked a bit different. "Thierry," I asked, "Did you do something different with your hair?" "Non," he replied with a puzzled look, "I just washed it." Whereupon my face turned red and I never asked about anyone's hair again as long as I lived there.

Not all brown skinned as some are less shady then others. Also do not judge all for the actions of a few.

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When its 87 degrees outside with 70% humidity and the subway platform is 147 degrees without any ventilation, people on the subway are probably going perspire, and they probably aren't going to smell very nice either, whether they are wearing deodorant or not.

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*SIGH* Since people are on a roll bashing brown-skinned people again, I'd like to point out that the Paris Metro on a hot summer day smells much, much worse than anything the PATH dishes out. Combine the lack of AC in the cars with people who haven't bathed or showered in a day or two and who have doused themselves with cologne, and it's pretty noxious in there. They're also wearing clothes that have cigarette smoke clinging to them along with the sweat and perfume. Get the idea??? It's not just a stereotype - the French really do believe that frequent bathing is "unhealthy" and sneer at our Anglo-Saxon obsession with hygiene. One day at work at work, one of my French co-workers looked a bit different. "Thierry," I asked, "Did you do something different with your hair?" "Non," he replied with a puzzled look, "I just washed it." Whereupon my face turned red and I never asked about anyone's hair again as long as I lived there.

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I\'ve actually heard of people who don\'t use deoderant because they think it\'s poison. Something about magnesium or aluminum soaking into your skin and killing you? It takes all kinds, it really does.


There\'s some pretty reasonable evidence for this. Did you do any research before coming to this conclusion? Regardless of the health risks, deodorant is pretty unnatural if you think about it.

But the population of JC that smells the worst is the rapidly growing set of Indians on work visas. Showering regularly is not part of the culture there, and it\'s not like they are given a handbook on local hygiene at the border. Even Indians who have been here a while still don\'t use toilet paper. Really.

When I worked at an office that had a lot of H1Bs, we regularly had to have new employees informed of our culture of showering daily. We\'d always have an Indian who had been here do the dirty work, but I think there isn\'t much of a stigma towards smelling bad in India, so you can tell someone that they smell bad without creating much offense.

I don\'t think they were ever asked to use deodorant, just to shower daily (or even every other day). You can still smell someone who showers daily but doesn\'t use deodorant, but only if they\'re right next to you, and it\'s just unpleasant.

I once walked into a conference room to interview a candidate, and didn\'t make it all the way to the table before turning around, running out, and throwing up in the bathroom. They got the job anyway.

How right you are, unfortunately embarrassment is not a factor in this smelly community it is a right of passage and culture. Americans are not allowed to stifle culture except their own. Also deodorant is just the half of it what about antiperspirant. Years ago people only took one bath a week usually on a Saturday night after a taffy pull. They also thought it was a waste of water and men were considered sissies if they bathed frequently. I believe Sweden is the most hygienic country on the face of the earth.

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Why are the 14th and 23rd Street stations always an inferno??? It felt like a brick over at the bloody 23rd station tonight - at least 20 degrees hotter than the outside temp. I swear, after 10 minutes of waiting for the damn train, EVERYONE on that platform smelled ripe!

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Oh that patchouli smell is the worst! I took an evening pottery class last year and this girl in the class always smelled like patchouly! It reminds me of dirt and old people.

I guess live and let live, even if you wanna live stinky, tho, right?\\


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Well, I actually never really thought of it that way. I personally don't use deodorant because I take two showers a day and don't smell bad anyway, even on a day like today.

I'm not comfortable generalizing about groups of people (I try to teach my son about tolerance, even if someone does smell like a locker room!), but I can see what you mean in some cases. The panhandlers and home-less can be bad too, but I guess they don't have much of a choice. I was in line at the bank behind this man today and he smelled like that pitchooly stuff that some girls in my college years and years ago used to wear. I had to go to a different bank.

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I used Tom's of Maine once and it made my armpits smell like corn chips. My ex-wife forced me to stop using it, even though it was her idea.

Fortunately my current wife doesn't care what I smell like, lol.

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Aluminum has been identified as a possible environmental factor that causes alzheimer's. Aluminum is most often used in antiperspirants. Most deodorants do not have aluminum, and several such as Toms of Maine specify aluminum free

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Oh god I can't go a day without a shower and my Right Guard!

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I've actually heard of people who don't use deoderant because they think it's poison. Something about magnesium or aluminum soaking into your skin and killing you? It takes all kinds, it really does.


There's some pretty reasonable evidence for this. Did you do any research before coming to this conclusion? Regardless of the health risks, deodorant is pretty unnatural if you think about it.

But the population of JC that smells the worst is the rapidly growing set of Indians on work visas. Showering regularly is not part of the culture there, and it's not like they are given a handbook on local hygiene at the border. Even Indians who have been here a while still don't use toilet paper. Really.

When I worked at an office that had a lot of H1Bs, we regularly had to have new employees informed of our culture of showering daily. We'd always have an Indian who had been here do the dirty work, but I think there isn't much of a stigma towards smelling bad in India, so you can tell someone that they smell bad without creating much offense.

I don't think they were ever asked to use deodorant, just to shower daily (or even every other day). You can still smell someone who showers daily but doesn't use deodorant, but only if they're right next to you, and it's just unpleasant.

I once walked into a conference room to interview a candidate, and didn't make it all the way to the table before turning around, running out, and throwing up in the bathroom. They got the job anyway.

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I've actually heard of people who don't use deoderant because they think it's poison. Something about magnesium or aluminum soaking into your skin and killing you? It takes all kinds, it really does.


So what? Don't they realize their body odor is socially poisonous, too?

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I've actually heard of people who don't use deoderant because they think it's poison. Something about magnesium or aluminum soaking into your skin and killing you? It takes all kinds, it really does.

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It is summer....it is Hot....in most cases you are holding onto a bar above your head....Please shower and use deodorant!!! You know who you are.[/quote

Oh god I know! I'll be coming back from a trip into the city to go to Whole Foods or something and the train will smell like a gym locker lol! I just don't understand how people can let their hygiene be so offensive.

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It is summer....it is Hot....in most cases you are holding onto a bar above your head....Please shower and use deodorant!!! You know who you are.


Lol! I couldn't have said it better myself. My 2-year-old son calls it the "stinky choo". When will people learn?

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It is summer....it is Hot....in most cases you are holding onto a bar above your head....Please shower and use deodorant!!! You know who you are.

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I WILL "check "you if you do not let me off the train before getting on yourself. You've been warned...

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I was on the train from WTC to Newark around 4:30pm today when a dirty looking guy walked on and asked if there were "any bathrooms on the train". We told him there weren't and he just walked right out the door of the train and relieved himself off the side of the train. He then proceeded to come back in while zipping himself back up. Pure class...

at least he didn't pee inside the train

Did he flush ?

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I was on the train from WTC to Newark around 4:30pm today when a dirty looking guy walked on and asked if there were "any bathrooms on the train". We told him there weren't and he just walked right out the door of the train and relieved himself off the side of the train. He then proceeded to come back in while zipping himself back up. Pure class...


at least he didn't pee inside the train

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Gosh, how intriguing. I'd LOVE to see what you look like.


I would guess a lot like Tiger Woods.

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I was on the train from WTC to Newark around 4:30pm today when a dirty looking guy walked on and asked if there were "any bathrooms on the train". We told him there weren't and he just walked right out the door of the train and relieved himself off the side of the train. He then proceeded to come back in while zipping himself back up. Pure class...

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you must be confusing the immigrants with the born-and-raiseds

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5) There are no intelligent tourists. All of them are frighteningly stupid.

I find the tourists to be intelligent, inquisitive, patient, and most of all prepared. You must be confusing the tourists with immigrants.

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Gosh, how intriguing. I'd LOVE to see what you look like.

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Nice. Had you made the same disparaging remarks about black or hispanic people, I'm sure the righteous would have swept in to condemn you and then congratulated each other on their "courage" for taking a stand - but there's a separate set of rules if the object of your ridicule is poor and caucasian.


Apparently not if you refer to them as "the people who get off in Harrison and Newark."

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To all the full body pole hoggers on the Path train during rush hour... try not to piss yourself when my hand lunges towards your neck. I'm not going for your jugular - just trying to get the little piece of prized pole space that you left available for public use.

1.75 don't buy you a pole to straddle and rub your entire grossly lazy body all over you tacky inconsiderate boob.

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Thats funny because I am 1/4 black 1/4 Hispanic 1/4 Asian and 1/4 Caucasian

Yes I check "OTHER"


You're right, that is funny. Sort of like a closeted gay-basher vindicating his own behavior by blaming it on his internal strife.

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