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Maybe we can write council to propose that the area west the the Turnpike get officially re-written as non-downtown on the basis that the socio-economic, culture and education level differ to greatly and it skews the crime statistics of the area most consider downtown.


I don't think anyone really cares about the crime statistics in some area called "Downtown" however it is defined. People care about the crime statistics in what they consider their neighborhood.

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Maybe we can write council to propose that the area west the the Turnpike get officially re-written as non-downtown on the basis that the socio-economic, culture and education level differ to greatly and it skews the crime statistics of the area most consider downtown.

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Relax,JCNJ. I didn't say no one lived in the area. I said it is mostly railyards and cemetery, which is true.

There are also very few residential buildings north of the tunnel. No--I don't think of 700 Grove or the Cliff Lofts as "downtown JC". Like the group of buildings west of the highway but east of McGinley Square, I think of the area as being isolated pockets of homes carved out of formerly industrial areas that are not really part of any neighborhood. The physcial boundaries that isolate them do matter psychologically and practically

I'll defer to your experience if you say the "old timers" think of these areas as "downtown." I imagine the "old timers" remember much of "downtown" as very different from what it is today.

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agreed, the residents (including those posting on this site) are free to call it whatever they want. i doubt the residents of the area in question refer to it as 'downtown' anyway. but when someone makes a categorically incorrect statement (i.e. the city does not consider it as downtown either), then the statement should be corrected


Well I agree that if anyone were ever to make such a statement, it would be appropriate to correct them.

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agreed, the residents (including those posting on this site) are free to call it whatever they want. i doubt the residents of the area in question refer to it as 'downtown' anyway. but when someone makes a categorically incorrect statement (i.e. the city does not consider it as downtown either), then the statement should be corrected

I know people in both those areas they do consider themselves in Downtown.

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Bogart wrote: My point is that it doesn't matter if some areas west of the highway are "officially" downtown. That's not how people here use the term or how they understand it. Would it make any real difference if every time someone says "Downtown JC" we add an asterisk that says "excluding those blocks west of the highway that don't really fit in any officially defined neighborhood? Most of the area in question is rail yards and cemetery anyway.
What do you mean by people here? The only people that call that area not Downtown are new residents that don't want there section of the city associated with the projects. There are plenty of old timers left in Downtown and I would think there opinion counts more then someone that has been here only a few years. Even the people that live in those areas call it Downtown. Also there is more then just rail yards many people live in those areas.
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There is also

www.spotcrime.com

They do send alerts but sometimes area a bit behind. I sometimes get alerts for lower Manhattan which makes no sense but it will keep you up on the crime.

You can also type in your address and it will give you your hood

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agreed, the residents (including those posting on this site) are free to call it whatever they want. i doubt the residents of the area in question refer to it as 'downtown' anyway. but when someone makes a categorically incorrect statement (i.e. the city does not consider it as downtown either), then the statement should be corrected

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My point is that it doesn't matter if some areas west of the highway are "officially" downtown. That's not how people here use the term or how they understand it.

Would it make any real difference if every time someone says "Downtown JC" we add an asterisk that says "excluding those blocks west of the highway that don't really fit in any officially defined neighborhood? Most of the area in question is rail yards and cemetery anyway.

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if you want something more 'official', look at the map that separates the city into wards:

http://www.jerseycityindependent.com/ ... /06/jersey-city-ward-map/

i wonder if the people in the projects voted for fulop - that'd be a hoot... oh wait they probably didnt vote at all right?


That's just satan talk, post number 666. Of course everyone in the projects voted. I'm sure the voting booths were brought straight to their stoops.

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if you want something more 'official', look at the map that separates the city into wards:

http://www.jerseycityindependent.com/ ... /06/jersey-city-ward-map/

i wonder if the people in the projects voted for fulop - that'd be a hoot... oh wait they probably didnt vote at all right?

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as much as the new residents hate to admit it Booker T is part of Downtown whether you want to consider it or not.


You can "define" downtown any way you please, but most people here use the term to refer to the part of town east of the highway and south of the tunnel.

Click on Historic Downtown and notice the borders. It is not just me and the residents that grew up in Downtown, the city defines it as Downtown as well.

http://www.destinationjerseycity.com/maps.php


that map just proves the fact that the projects are in historic downtown. the map sections are divided by color. each district is a different color. notice how bergen lafayette and jsq are a different color than 'historic downtown'. now notice that the area of the projects (west of the turnpike) is the same color as historic downtown. make sense?

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as much as the new residents hate to admit it Booker T is part of Downtown whether you want to consider it or not.


You can "define" downtown any way you please, but most people here use the term to refer to the part of town east of the highway and south of the tunnel.

Click on Historic Downtown and notice the borders. It is not just me and the residents that grew up in Downtown, the city defines it as Downtown as well.

http://www.destinationjerseycity.com/maps.php

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as much as the new residents hate to admit it Booker T is part of Downtown whether you want to consider it or not.


You can "define" downtown any way you please, but most people here use the term to refer to the part of town east of the highway and south of the tunnel.

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Ironic that the Hoboken murder was commited by a JC resident?

What Hoboken murder? Hoboken has none, do you mean the one in the Heights?

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JerseyCityNj wrote: This is a map of all the homicides in NJ for 2009. It is updated everytime another occurs.
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So this shows that Downtown and the Heights are really about as safe as Hoboken - however the other areas of JC on the other hand seem out of control... Now I'm sure someone will say that the Beacon area is really Downtown but I think most people feel that downtown really ends at the turnpike overpass...
LOL...Hoboken has no murders, and the Heights has one so far. If we are just talking about murders how do you get this shows it is as safe as Hoboken, when Downtown has four so far? Like I said in my other post the hit and run was accidentally put on the wrong corner of Grand and as much as the new residents hate to admit it Booker T is part of Downtown whether you want to consider it or not. So when counting murders your neighborhood is actually even with Greenville and Bergen-Lafayette so far this year. But in all fairness murders can go up in even the nicest suburb with almost no crime. They don't reflect overall crime.
Spoken like someone from greenville or bergen-lafayette.
Nope I grew up in Downtown, I went to PS #37 as a kid and never lived in either Greenville or Bergen-Lafayette.

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Ironic that the Hoboken murder was commited by a JC resident?

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So this shows that Downtown and the Heights are really about as safe as Hoboken - however the other areas of JC on the other hand seem out of control... Now I'm sure someone will say that the Beacon area is really Downtown but I think most people feel that downtown really ends at the turnpike overpass...
LOL...Hoboken has no murders, and the Heights has one so far. If we are just talking about murders how do you get this shows it is as safe as Hoboken, when Downtown has four so far? Like I said in my other post the hit and run was accidentally put on the wrong corner of Grand and as much as the new residents hate to admit it Booker T is part of Downtown whether you want to consider it or not. So when counting murders your neighborhood is actually even with Greenville and Bergen-Lafayette so far this year. But in all fairness murders can go up in even the nicest suburb with almost no crime. They don't reflect overall crime.
Spoken like someone from greenville or bergen-lafayette.

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So this shows that Downtown and the Heights are really about as safe as Hoboken - however the other areas of JC on the other hand seem out of control... Now I'm sure someone will say that the Beacon area is really Downtown but I think most people feel that downtown really ends at the turnpike overpass...
LOL...Hoboken has no murders, and the Heights has one so far. If we are just talking about murders how do you get this shows it is as safe as Hoboken, when Downtown has four so far? Like I said in my other post the hit and run was accidentally put on the wrong corner of Grand and as much as the new residents hate to admit it Booker T is part of Downtown whether you want to consider it or not. So when counting murders your neighborhood is actually even with Greenville and Bergen-Lafayette so far this year. But in all fairness murders can go up in even the nicest suburb with almost no crime. They don't reflect overall crime.

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The woman killed in a 'hit and run' at Monmouth and Grand is not on the map.

She is but the person that made the map put her on Grand and Fairmount. That and the murder of the guy by Montgomery projects being a block from where he got killed are the only mistakes I noticed about the locations. If you click the icons they tell you a who got murdered.

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Downtown definately ends at the NJTPK overpass.


Obvious tag explodes.

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Downtown definately ends at the NJTPK overpass.

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The woman killed in a 'hit and run' at Monmouth and Grand is not on the map.

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So this shows that Downtown and the Heights are really about as safe as Hoboken - however the other areas of JC on the other hand seem out of control... Now I'm sure someone will say that the Beacon area is really Downtown but I think most people feel that downtown really ends at the turnpike overpass...

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This is a map of all the homicides in NJ for 2009. It is updated everytime another occurs. Here is the link. http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?gl=us& ... 461.00046c0c8bf50984defdd
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