You missed post #101, 105 and 108....Hello?

Bogart wrote:
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wibbit wrote:
when defining downtown, i consider those 3 locations:
-newport
-paulus hook
-grove

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Hamilton Square

Indomitus wrote: Sorry. Everyone has a right to complain. It's enshrined in the First Amendment. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Bergen Hill, Lafayette, Greenville, The Heights... they have bigger problems and should be more vocal politically, demand more from the City, expect more from their community, and do more for themselves. But, that's quite a challenge. Unfortunately, they may speak, vote, expect, and do less as a result.Quote:

Alan, speaking only for myself and my family, we do vote. And considering only 20 or 30 % of all of Jersey City voters came out at the last very important city election, it seems many people have given up. But there is something that you may overlook: The "look who's doing the complaining" factor. I think a part of the problem is the city is just more responsive to certain sectors, that the attitude of "who pays more rent" also pervades the city's responses in some situations. It makes it easier to write off certain areas because everyone knows "they're all just - fill in the blank" and makes it easier overlook the decent folks of the area, after all "you know how they are". A true story for you: Many years ago there was a tenant interim lease program building on our block which developed "structural problems" The city gave the block association 2 options - either take a soup kitchen on the ground floor (there was - and is still - one 2 blocks away) and the "repairs" would be made or take a hole in the ground where the building used to stand. We protested against the soup kitchen, the tenants were removed, the building demolished and we ended up with the hole in the ground which was paved over with black top. It is difficult sometimes not to lose hope.

wibbit wrote:
when defining downtown, i consider those 3 locations:
-newport
-paulus hook
-grove

But crime is down, I've heard from reliable and colorful mailers.

ianmac47 wrote:
It seems the bigger issue here is that beginning two years ago there were a series of somewhat random assaults and muggings and car break-ins in and around the downtown. These were at first attributed to a summer crime wave.

Then there were the emergence of everybody's favorite "wolf packs" roaming around the streets, and these unruly teens became the scapegoat for all the crimes in the downtown, even as assaults and muggings began moving eastward from the western end of the downtown to "safe" streets.

But crime is down, I've heard from reliable and colorful mailers.

This past year there have been more reports of stickups and robberies, now with guns, followed by two high profile shoot outs with police. So are we seeing a summer crime wave or isolated teenage angst or something bigger like a trend towards increased crime that certain elected officials are not addressing?

I voted for Levin.

wibbit wrote:
you seem so out of touch with everything, were you around during the 80s with hookers, drugs, homeless and graffiti all over the place in broad daylight? if you think nyc improved in the 90s because the whole country did and not as a result of hardline active enforcement by the nypd under giuliani, i dont know what else to say to you, other than you are delusional.

And what are you talking about again, with the comment regarding moving the unwanted to queens/brooklyn. I lived in queens at the time, and visited brooklyn often. The area is the same, the good parts like forest hills, bayside, freshmeadow remained very good, while the bad parts such as jamaica/ozone park remained the same. There is no big transformation, unless you count the gentrification in parts of brooklyn.

Seriously get a clue....

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teacher wrote: Were these black people again? This is an outrage. Kudos to Worms, we pay more down here, and as such deserve as more cops down here than they have up on Bergan. Crime will go where police presence isn't. Lord, I have to move to Sweden. Don't worry liberal losers, I am selling, and maybe I will sell my building to some crack heads, to add to the diversity of Grove Street. Enjoy...

I <3 you.

wibbit wrote:
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mwa7368 wrote:
Don't forget Hamilton Park.

oh yeah hamilton park is good too, very different ambience than the modern style newport.

tanze_des_lasters wrote:
I am perplexed. I gave a very positive description of myself, where I live and my community involvement and yet you consider me a lowlife. Please re-read my post. If you still agree I should be classified as such, there is something amiss with your way of thinking.

worm wrote:
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... Please don't lump me in with your hateful rhetoric and go ahead and file me away with Tanze de lasters and other such lowlifes.

I would rather live in downtown JC than with a bunch of pansy hipsters who stick up for the lowlives of their hood like you do.

... Please don't lump me in with your hateful rhetoric and go ahead and file me away with Tanze de lasters and other such lowlifes.

jc73 wrote:
UNREAL, thats what comes to mind when I read this site. You people here spend more time arguing about what section of JC is what and where it actually is. Who cares where the lines are drawn, you all live in Jersey City. If you happen to live downtown or up on the hill or in the heights, or sparrow hill. They are all just sections old time dividing lines. You all live in Jersey City.
Last week Five police officers were injured PROTECTING you from the horros of this world, one of which gave his life for. Last night four more officers risked thier lives doing it again. All anyone here can do is take this time to dispute where an incident happened and how many blocks it happened from.

teacher wrote:
Were these black people again? This is an outrage.
Kudos to Worms, we pay more down here, and as such deserve as more cops down here than they have up on Bergan. Crime will go where police presence isn't.
Lord, I have to move to Sweden. Don't worry liberal losers, I am selling, and maybe I will sell my building to some crack heads, to add to the diversity of Grove Street. Enjoy...

teacher wrote: Were these black people again? This is an outrage. Kudos to Worms, we pay more down here, and as such deserve as more cops down here than they have up on Bergan. Crime will go where police presence isn't. Lord, I have to move to Sweden. Don't worry liberal losers, I am selling, and maybe I will sell my building to some crack heads, to add to the diversity of Grove Street. Enjoy...

GnomeGeneral wrote:
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tanze_des_lasters wrote:
Madam, have you ever left the ?safe haven? of downtown to explore the rest of the city? I live in an area you would like to see cut off from yours. My street is tree-lined with a newly paved road; all of the rowhouses are maintained beautifully and historically with flowers and plants in the front. There are no bars on the windows and doors nor is there graffiti or people loitering. Rarely is there loud music. The neighbors are wonderful. They earn their livings as doctors, lawyers, artists, small business owners, librarians, teachers and public servants.

I am an owner and taxpayer with no criminal record. I work in New York City for a well-known company. I am a registered voter and vote. I attend council meetings. I am involved in my neighborhood as well as the Jersey City community at large. I volunteer my time to the local TNR initiative. I have a daughter who attends private school in New York State who will one day become yet another asset to Jersey City residing the area you find so distasteful. I also spend a great deal of money downtown and would be happy to take my business to New York City should you not want me on your sacred ground.

Please get off your high horse as you really have no idea that the number of worthwhile caring citizens residing in ?that other part? of this city truly outnumber those you are having issues with.

According to Gnome General:
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.....If they could build a wall between downtown and everything beyond the turnpike it would be grand. When a neighborhood has garbage, graffiti, no trees, loud music, people loitering on every stoop and homes that have metal gates on their front windows - you cannot deny that aesthetically it translates that this hood is bad. Go call a waaambulance.

Thanks for the accolades. However, I'm not talking about the rare "Bentley Ave" amid the ruins. There are exceptions to every hood, class of people...etc. I would also like to highlight the fact that you all flock to a webside dedicated to downtown for a reason. You all resemble us downtowners more, otherwise you wouldn't even be online. Where's the greenville JClist?

tanze_des_lasters wrote:
Madam, have you ever left the ?safe haven? of downtown to explore the rest of the city? I live in an area you would like to see cut off from yours. My street is tree-lined with a newly paved road; all of the rowhouses are maintained beautifully and historically with flowers and plants in the front. There are no bars on the windows and doors nor is there graffiti or people loitering. Rarely is there loud music. The neighbors are wonderful. They earn their livings as doctors, lawyers, artists, small business owners, librarians, teachers and public servants.

I am an owner and taxpayer with no criminal record. I work in New York City for a well-known company. I am a registered voter and vote. I attend council meetings. I am involved in my neighborhood as well as the Jersey City community at large. I volunteer my time to the local TNR initiative. I have a daughter who attends private school in New York State who will one day become yet another asset to Jersey City residing the area you find so distasteful. I also spend a great deal of money downtown and would be happy to take my business to New York City should you not want me on your sacred ground.

Please get off your high horse as you really have no idea that the number of worthwhile caring citizens residing in ?that other part? of this city truly outnumber those you are having issues with.

According to Gnome General:
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.....If they could build a wall between downtown and everything beyond the turnpike it would be grand. When a neighborhood has garbage, graffiti, no trees, loud music, people loitering on every stoop and homes that have metal gates on their front windows - you cannot deny that aesthetically it translates that this hood is bad. Go call a waaambulance.

teacher said:
Were these black people again? This is an outrage.
Kudos to Worms, we pay more down here, and as such deserve as more cops down here than they have up on Bergan. Crime will go where police presence isn't.
Lord, I have to move to Sweden. Don't worry liberal losers, I am selling, and maybe I will sell my building to some crack heads, to add to the diversity of Grove Street. Enjoy...

wibbit wrote:
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mwa7368 wrote:
Don't forget Hamilton Park.

oh yeah hamilton park is good too, very different ambience than the modern style newport.

tommyc_37 wrote:
To everyone defending the non-downtown neighborhoods ... I understand your points, truly I do, but if this board seems very downtown-centric at times, just remember that the name of this website is Downtown Jersey City List.

mwa7368 wrote:
Don't forget Hamilton Park.

tommyc_37 wrote:
To everyone defending the non-downtown neighborhoods ... I understand your points, truly I do, but if this board seems very downtown-centric at times, just remember that the name of this website is Downtown Jersey City List.