GeorgeWBush wrote:
I guess comments to a reporter are hearsay....any lawyers here? But that doesn't matter in grand jury proceedings.

I will tell you how, and hope DeFazio goes this route, because it's easy. She ways about 100lbs. The dogs weigh about 400lbs. My understanding is that a dog can pull more than 4 times its weight. We in the neighborhood have all seen her brought down by these dogs. She's been dragged on her stomach and back by them. She clearly could not control them.

GeorgeWBush wrote:
Toast. Between the witnesses who have come forward and her unbelievably stupid comments to the paper, DeFazio will have zero problem obtaining an indictment.

I guess comments to a reporter are hearsay....any lawyers here? But that doesn't matter in grand jury proceedings.

So friggin' stupid. Would she have been indicted anyway? Probably. But like a moron she basically taunted the victims in print, and did it so specifically that it gives a prosecutor a big fat hook to yank her with...the grand jury is going to say, "Well, I don't know if it's criminal or not, but it's obvious she's lying about aspects of the incidents, so let's just send up a true bill & let the trial jury sort it out"

So when DeFazio says "possible charges", that's just him paying a little heed to proceedure. The PO has decided to hit them with an agg assault charge. That's exactly what they're going to end up standing for or pleading down from.

Nice! I don't know how you prove intent for an agg assault charge, maybe because it was a repeated pattern you could....they let the friggin' dogs try to eat people 6 different times. But agg assault is a 2nd degree crime in Jersey, with a presumption of a custodial sentence if convicted, even if there is no criminal history at all.

Have fun, dummy!

GWB

lindsbinz22 wrote:
Repossessing a car isn't the easiest, but garnishing wages isn't as difficult as you'd think [that use to be my job]. Once you have an unsatisfied judgment, you can move the court to have their employer attach a portion of their wages.

lindsbinz22 wrote:
I had heard Ohio as well.

Just because they rent doesn't necessarily make them judgment proof... There are lots of ways to collect on a judgment if someone doesn't own property - take/sell their car [if they have one], attach their wages [I know the husband works]. Don't give up on that Gina! And please, keep us posted on how Jonathan is doing.

skepticalhook wrote:

The best thing would be to really push for the criminal charges and try to get restitution from the criminal courts. I also wouldn't count out the possibility that they might just disappear and you'd have to find them. FYI--While it's been reported that they were moving to California, I understand that they've also said that they were moving to Ohio.

loveanimals wrote:
yes the dogs are still at the shelter they were trying to contact Susan to see if the dogs had rabies....I think they should have checked for this the day Jonathan got attacked. I know Jonathan's lawyer is checking into the case now. I will keep everyone updated ;-D

itsaurora wrote:
100% not true. both dogs are still at the shelter.

Sam S wrote: I did not write that. I just did a bad mob of quoting Vigilante.

Kitten wrote: I really hated this feeling. If this dog came running at us, I don't know what I would I have done... we would have stood no chance against it.

Brewster wrote: Yes, you should have called the cops at 547 5477, the non-emergency number.

philasurfer wrote:
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SamS wrote: I am not excusing anyone's behavior but I am telling you that the dog walkers I've talked to are tired of being singled out when no other rules or laws are enforced. The 6 gangstas on the BB court at 2am are a little too scary for cops to disrupt or neighbors to berate. The yuppie with the off leash chocolate Lab is easy pickings.

It is a good thing everyone does not think that way because there would be anarchy.

Other people break the law, so I can too. Or the police don't arrest that jay walker, so why should I put my dog on a leash! Murderers get away with murder everyday, so why should I get in trouble for anything!

There is a temptation to fall into that kind of thinking when we are frustrated, but to give in to that temptation would be dangerously uncivil.

philasurfer wrote:
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SamS wrote: I am not excusing anyone's behavior but I am telling you that the dog walkers I've talked to are tired of being singled out when no other rules or laws are enforced. The 6 gangstas on the BB court at 2am are a little too scary for cops to disrupt or neighbors to berate. The yuppie with the off leash chocolate Lab is easy pickings.

It is a good thing everyone does not think that way because there would be anarchy.

Other people break the law, so I can too. Or the police don't arrest that jay walker, so why should I put my dog on a leash! Murderers get away with murder everyday, so why should I get in trouble for anything!

There is a temptation to fall into that kind of thinking when we are frustrated, but to give in to that temptation would be dangerously uncivil.

SamS wrote: I am not excusing anyone's behavior but I am telling you that the dog walkers I've talked to are tired of being singled out when no other rules or laws are enforced. The 6 gangstas on the BB court at 2am are a little too scary for cops to disrupt or neighbors to berate. The yuppie with the off leash chocolate Lab is easy pickings.

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I am not sure what you mean by your last post; but the reality is this thread is basically about the dangers of dogs off leash. Not about children climbing trees. Other people's infractions, crimes, torts, civil misbehavior , etc. etc. do not justify allowing one's dog to run off leash in Hamilton Park or any other place in JC, other than designated dog runs. That argument is a little like saying since some people let their dogs run off leash I should be allowed to rob houses or banks or commit some other crime. Still any defense of permitting a dog to run off leash remains absurd and offensive to others in addition to the local law. There are dangers associated to allowing one's dog run off leash. Ignoring that will eventually result in an unfortunate ordeal.


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I have seen parents allow their children to swing on and snap the branches off trees. I have seen children fall off the swings in the playground . I have seen children nearly killed by BMX bikers and skateboarders. I have seen basketball games at 2am go unchecked. The comfort level in Hamilton Park is of varying degrees and always in flux. There are reasonable and unreasonable people but until all laws are enforced you're not gonna get much co-operation from all the dog owners. BTW There is NO connection between those 2 women and their dogs behavior and the other dog owners in Hamilton Park.

My point is simple. I am not excusing anyone's behavior but I am telling you that the dog walkers I've talked to are tired of being singled out when no other rules or laws are enforced. The 6 gangstas on the BB court at 2am are a little too scary for cops to disrupt or neighbors to berate. The yuppie with the off leash chocolate Lab is easy pickings.

SamS wrote:
I am not sure what you mean by your last post; but the reality is this thread is basically about the dangers of dogs off leash. Not about children climbing trees. Other people's infractions, crimes, torts, civil misbehavior , etc. etc. do not justify allowing one's dog to run off leash in Hamilton Park or any other place in JC, other than designated dog runs. That argument is a little like saying since some people let their dogs run off leash I should be allowed to rob houses or banks or commit some other crime. Still any defense of permitting a dog to run off leash remains absurd and offensive to others in addition to the local law. There are dangers associated to allowing one's dog run off leash. Ignoring that will eventually result in an unfortunate ordeal.


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I have seen parents allow their children to swing on and snap the branches off trees. I have seen children fall off the swings in the playground . I have seen children nearly killed by BMX bikers and skateboarders. I have seen basketball games at 2am go unchecked. The comfort level in Hamilton Park is of varying degrees and always in flux. There are reasonable and unreasonable people but until all laws are enforced you're not gonna get much co-operation from all the dog owners. BTW There is NO connection between those 2 women and their dogs behavior and the other dog owners in Hamilton Park.

Vigilante wrote:
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SamS wrote:

I have seen parents allow their children to swing on and snap the branches off trees. I have seen children fall off the swings in the playground . I have seen children nearly killed by BMX bikers and skateboarders. I have seen basketball games at 2am go unchecked. The comfort level in Hamilton Park is of varying degrees and always in flux. There are reasonable and unreasonable people but until all laws are enforced you're not gonna get much co-operation from all the dog owners. BTW There is NO connection between those 2 women and their dogs behavior and the other dog owners in Hamilton Park.

Vigilante wrote:
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SamS wrote:

I have seen parents allow their children to swing on and snap the branches off trees. I have seen children fall off the swings in the playground . I have seen children nearly killed by BMX bikers and skateboarders. I have seen basketball games at 2am go unchecked. The comfort level in Hamilton Park is of varying degrees and always in flux. There are reasonable and unreasonable people but until all laws are enforced you're not gonna get much co-operation from all the dog owners. BTW There is NO connection between those 2 women and their dogs behavior and the other dog owners in Hamilton Park.

SamS wrote:
It's really not appropriate to say there has ever been a witch-hunt for EVERY dog in Hamilton Park or any dog for that matter, merely because many residents have been imploring their neighbors to keep their dogs leashed in compliance with the law. Also, I don't know of any movement against leashed dogs.

Additionally, to say there has been NO incident since last year's pit-bull incident is not correct. There just hasn't been an incident of the heightened publicity or perhaps severity.

As an example, just last Friday night some off leash little white dog, fled the park, despite his owner calling for him and ran across 8th street into what appeared to be his home. Fortunately, the dog missed getting hit by a car by about 2 feet. But that was merely good luck.

On a regular basis there are poorly behaved off leash dogs that bark at adults, children and other dogs, making the targets of the barking more than just a little uncomfortable.

One evening last week a few unleashed dogs followed my dog and I into the tennis court that seconds as a dog run. I was hoping the owners would have followed us in, so my dog would have had some playmates. Instead, one owner came to take her dog out and said to me, "You don't get fined for keeping your dog off leash in the winter. They only come and get you in the spring." I did not invite her comment nor suggest she leash her dog. Which is why I was so astonished she would invite me to break the law.

If people would keep their dogs leashed, perhaps new comers would not consider it permissible to let their dangerous dogs off leash and the pit-bull incident of last year never would have happened. Any excuse or spinning to justify keeping your dog unleashed is laughably absurd.



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Reminds me of that Pitbull from a year and a half ago. All the people ACTUALLY involved knew what the dog did, knew where the dogs owner lived and took action to get it resolved. All the people who knew nothing of the incidents tried to make it about everyone else except the actual culprit. It became a witch-hunt for every dog in Hamilton Park. The hysterics eventually died down and there have been NO incidents in HP since. It comes down to indivuals people. This owner was stupid. The dogs are doomed. Case closed. Stop projecting.

Vigilante wrote:
Reminds me of that Pitbull from a year and a half ago. All the people ACTUALLY involved knew what the dog did, knew where the dogs owner lived and took action to get it resolved. All the people who knew nothing of the incidents tried to make it about everyone else except the actual culprit. It became a witch-hunt for every dog in Hamilton Park. The hysterics eventually died down and there have been NO incidents in HP since. It comes down to indivuals people. This owner was stupid. The dogs are doomed. Case closed. Stop projecting.

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ninasdogwalk wrote:

Apparently after the incident the owner took off and refused to give him any information about themselves. It's horrendous that this happened yet again and who knows how many other times. This is disgraceful. I did see in this thread that this should hopefully be coming to a resolution as of yesterday...

I can't get over the fact that someone refused to give any information, In a prior news post on this thread is a statement from the Hudson County Prosecutor: "DeFazio asks that anyone who may have been attacked by these dogs to call his office at (201) 795-6959"
Please pass this information to your friend.

kitten wrote:


I really hated this feeling. If this dog came running at us, I don't know what I would I have done... we would have stood no chance against it. What could I have done differently? I was afraid to start an argument with the guy since his dog was off leash and maybe would have perceived me as a threat. Should I have called the cops? I don't know.