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Your kinda behind the ball on this one. Read the previous posts. CK
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WOW - I was wondering happened to the Burritovilles Downtown! What a bummer -- but there is a ray of hope - the New York Times reports that they may reopen a few locations next week or so. I really love the place - I hope it stays around! ============================== For City’s Burritovilles, Adiós or Hasta la Vista? New York TimesBy TINA KELLEY Published: September 19, 2008 Burritoville, a restaurant chain beloved by hungry folks on a budget and disdained by people preferring more authentic Mexican food, seems to have gone the way of free-market capitalism, with all of its Manhattan restaurants suddenly closed. It is a dark time indeed for some fans of Holy Mole Burritos and Bob Marley’s Last Burritos. Kenny Wharton, 36, who works in drafting, was walking by the shuttered Burritoville on Second Avenue and Ninth Street on Thursday. He used to eat there, and at another outlet on Third Avenue, when he lived in the East Village. “Where am I going to get my lunch now?” Mr. Wharton said. Eli Penchasov, 25, the owner of Exquisite Creation Diamond and Jewelry, next door to the Burritoville at 36 Water Street, was surprised that it had closed after renovations three weeks ago. “No signs, no nothing,” he said. “A couple of days ago the workers, the chefs and delivery boys showed up around 10 in the morning and were waiting on the stoop out front. Eventually they went home because no one showed up to open the store.” Burritoville’s Web site has closed, its various phones are either constantly busy or unanswered, and the company president, Jeffrey Bernstein, could not be reached for comment. A woman who returned a message on the company’s behalf, identifying herself only as a member of Burritoville’s “executive management,” said the chain would reopen several stores in the next two weeks. Burritoville was founded in 1992 by David LaPointe and Steve Lynn, with the first store opening at 78th Street and First Avenue. “People from New York said, ‘What’s a burrito?’ ” Mr. LaPointe recalled in a 1999 interview, “but people who knew about fresh Mexican food from California simply said, ‘Thank you for being here.’ ” In 2003, TruFoods Corp. bought a dozen of the New York stores, with plans to franchise the business. An executive for TruFoods, who declined to give his name because the company is no longer associated with Burritoville, said that Mr. Bernstein left in June and filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. But an online search of court records in New York did not turn up any filings under Mr. Bernstein’s name or that of Burritoville or Burritoville Services, an associated company. (The executive management spokeswoman would not answer any questions about bankruptcy.) Jennifer Parkhurst, 38, who sells books online, said on Thursday that she had no idea the Water Street location she frequented was closing. “I was even thinking about going there tonight, because we’re having guests,” she said. “The people were really nice. How sad. They were always good and had absolutely to-die-for soup.” Online Zagat commenters hailed Burritoville’s “fantastic late night food” and called it “a perennial favorite for burritos and beer, before a night of video games on your best friend’s couch.” A citysearch.com reviewer wrote, “Burritoville is not authentic Mexican food, but when you’re poor and too lazy to walk to the place — who cares? The delivery is super fast and the food portions are big enough to stock up on for the next wave of the Depression!” Other critics were not as kind. In a 1999 article about the “burrito boom” in New York, The New York Times observed, “The ingredients were fresh but had no soul.” A commenter on the Gothamist blog recently called the food a “Moosewood hippie atrocity,” adding, “It is to Mexican food what Velveeta and ketchup on Wonder Bread is to Italian.” Without further insights from the company, it is hard to know what did the chain in. Darren Tristano, executive vice president at Technomic Inc., a food research and consulting firm based in Chicago, said that only the fittest restaurants survived nowadays. “Restaurant chains are suffering from what’s going on in the economy, with the stock market, the real estate market and increased competition, especially in the Mexican sector,” he said. “Firms like Chipotle are succeeding.” He recalled that New York Burrito Gourmet Wraps in the city folded two years ago. But Robert Angelone, chairman and chief economist at the Epicurus Group, consultants based in Wall Township, N.J., said a credit shortage was causing many restaurant closings. “Usually small businesses, and medium-size businesses as well, have to borrow to get through the tough times,” he said. “If there’s no liquidity in the market, banks don’t have the cash to lend.” Karen Zraick and Rebecca White contributed reporting. This article has been revised to reflect the following correction: Correction: September 24, 2008 An article in some editions on Saturday about the sudden and mysterious shuttering of all Manhattan branches of Burritoville, a Mexican fast-food restaurant, misstated the given name of the company’s president. He is Jeffrey Bernstein, not Jonathan. And a reporting credit with the article misstated the surname of a contributor. She is Karen Zraick, not Drake.
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Hey, so this is a *little* off-topic for the thread, but i found out today that Burritoville has gone out of biz! I used to love that place and had eaten there as recently as a few weeks ago. Crazy. I guess it just goes to show you it's hard to compete with a place as good & as well run as Chipotle. Still though, I will miss Burritoville!
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Thanks again!
OK, so it would have been right near the drive in movies, then! I wonder how many people remember that JC had a drive-in? So - was that the same building that went on to become Trader Horn all those years? I forgot about that place till you mentioned the electronics store! And it's nice how we ate food on top of chromium contaminated land, eh? Meh - who knew the barrels would leak, right? (sarcasm) It's OK. I grew up playing ball on Metro Field before that was remediated, too. I think I glow now. During the day time. (not sarcasm) 
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As I recall, it was within the Two Guys/Valley Fair/ Great Eastern parking lot up front at the roadside. The building went through several incarnations. Most recently an appliance/electronics store then a discount furniture/bedding store. It is now a toxic waste cleanup site.
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JerseyGirl - The Rodeo! There's a short discussion about it on page 4 of this thread.
Justin - those tapes are a true piece of "JC Americana." If that term makes any sense...  As you stated, they've definitely influenced the Simpsons, plus Howard Stern got a lot of mileage out of them years ago, too. They obviously went on to influence the Jerky Boys, too. Erm... their earlier tapes are funny, but they sort of slide downhill after that, culminating with awful movies. Anyway, yeah, they're sort of a piece of JC history.Sorry for completely derailing the thread. Here's a weak attempt to get it back on track: JC trivia question: What was the name of the pizza parlor on Danforth and West Side before it became Vinnie's?
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Does anyone remember the "steakhouse" in Hudson Mall in 440?
Posted on: 2008/10/8 17:29
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Wow. This is really cool. I had no idea that these tapes were so famous...And, according to this article, the Journal Square Pub was the former Tube Bar so either way, my chair may, in fact, be Red's. The things you learn on JCList Thanks for the info!
________________________ Joke on 'Simpsons' started in JC Famed crank calls originated in Tube Bar Ricardo Kaulessar Reporter staff writer 10/08/2005 There's a running gag on "The Simpsons" in which young Bart crank calls the local tavern and asks its bartender, Moe, "Is Oliver there? Oliver Clothesoff?" or some other punny name, causing Moe to ask out loud for the patron and embarrass himself. ("Al Coholic" is another popular one.) Sounds like pure TV writing genius, but it was actually borne out of real life. In the mid 1970s, two Jersey City guys, Jim Davidson and John Elmo, had the idea to crank call various bars and restaurants and annoy the people who work there. They particularly liked hearing the gruff voice of Red Deutsch, the owner of the Tube Bar in Journal Square. Little did they know that tapes they made of their calls would become legend and would be sold on the internet for decades. Tapes on sale Advertisement The tapes, known variously as the "Tube Bar Tapes" or the "Red Deutsch Tapes," capture for eternity Deutsch's raspy voice asking for "Sal Lami". Deutsch would gullibly shout the name out in the bar, only to get harassed by some drunken patron or no response. But Red (who died in 1983) was only a victim until he caught on and started hurling profanities back at his tormentors. Copies of the tapes circulated to major league ball clubs in the 1980s. Matt Groening, the creator of "The Simpsons," wound up with a copy and introduced a larger audience to the crank calls on his animated series in the 1990s. That's weird The Jersey City Reporter tried tracking down the two men responsible for the infamous tapes, but was not successful. In fact, even Mark Moran, one of the co-editors of the New Jersey-based magazine Weird NJ acknowledged that they can be difficult to find. "Seems like these mysterious men have slipped once more into anonymity," Moran wrote in a recent e-mail. "Best of luck tracking them down and please let us know if you find them!" Weird NJ was the only publication that conducted an interview with Davidson and Elmo - back in the late 1990s. At the time the pair called themselves the Bum Bar Bastards. They had kept their identity a secret for many years but decided to come out in the open. In the interview, Davidson described how the calls first started in the early 1970s and were taped on reel-to-reel. When asked why he and Elmo did it, he replied, "Boredom. Because we could. There was no malice intended. We were just having fun." Davidson said the tapes of the calls to the Tube Bar began in 1975 and ended a year later. He recalled how he and Elmo would pass by the bar as children and as adults and see commuters go in and out of the bar, with many being thrown out. "One day we were just making random crank calls when I thought to call the Tube Bar. When Red answered the phone, I just started laughing and hung up." Davidson added, "I told John, 'Hey, you gotta hear this guy's voice.' We called back and made most of those calls in one day. The ones like 'Sal Lami, Cole Cutz,' I couldn't believe he just kept calling out the names!" Segments of the tapes, which can be downloaded from the aptly named "Bum Bar Bastards" website (www.bumbarbastards.com), have Red eventually threatening to "cut their stomachs out" or inflict some other type of physical harm. Davidson said in the interview that the last tape was made in 1978, and he kept it to himself. The Tube Bar Now it's a Mexican restaurant, but the Tube Bar was once a commuter pub located in the concourse or alleyway next to what is now the Journal Square PATH Station. Opened in 1933 by former vegetable stand owner Red Deutsch, it was a place that would stand three to four men deep with 20-cent beer and no stools. The bar was named for the subway tunnels running across the Hudson, known as "tubes." The bar eventually was sold by Red in 1980, and he moved to Florida, where he passed away three years later. The new owners kept the bar in the same location until moving the liquor license across Kennedy Boulevard to what is currently known as the Journal Square Pub. Old-timers remember the bar for other unique details and for its unique owner. John Gillen, a Jersey City Police officer, worked at the bar in the mid-1970s after he returned from service in Vietnam. "When you entered through the doors, there was sawdust on the floor and three chairs at the front of the bar that Red insisted had to be filled before he would allow anyone to sit anywhere else," said Gillen. "And only thing they had to eat was saltine crackers, hot peppers, and pickles. Eating those would make you thirsty." Gillen also recalled Red had several rules they everyone had to comply with. "If you weren't drinking, you weren't staying," he said. "Red had such traffic in that place he had to tell people to move it along. And if you were drinking beer, he would put you in the back room." He also did not allow women in his bar even after laws were changed in the 1970s to admit females into bars in Jersey City. And he scolded his bartenders if they even served a woman. However, Gillen did say that Red was a nicer man that he is given credit for. "He would give to any cause no matter what it was," said Gillen. "And he would cash checks for anybody." Well known Gillen's friend, Mike Nolan, currently a bartender at the Astor Bar and Grill on Montgomery Street but once a Tube Bar customer, knew about the tapes. Nolan said, "They would hand them out at old Sully's Tavern on Hopkins and Summit [avenues] and they would play the tapes." Gillen recalled some of the calls made to the bar. "They would call and someone in the bar would yell out here, 'I am," said Gillen. "They would get him every time." Nolan said that he does not believe that the two men who came forward are the ones who made the tape. He coyly suggested that he knew who really made the tapes, but would not name names. Gillen agreed. Nolan said, "What happened at the Tube Bar stays in the Tube Bar." Ricardo Kaulessar can be reached at rkaulessar@hudsonreporter.com
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Check under "Tube Bar," but if that does not work, try searching for "Bum Bar B@$t@rd$." Don't use the "at" signs or dollar signs, though.
Edit - that's NOT intended to be a link. Don't know why it came out that way.
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well. I think I bought it for like 25 or 30 bucks, so I doubt the owners would part wiht it if that were the case...I-tunes? I had no idea they were that widespread. Will def. look into it...
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If it turns out you've got the actual chair Red used to sit in, you've got yourself one heck of a collectors item there, and you should try to preserve it, or something.
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As long as you're not offended by absolutely horrendous language and very crude humor, those tapes / CD are a MUST hear.
I do believe they're available on iTunes now.
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Really? Must be the Journal Square Pub then. I'll have to ask my husband if he remembers which..This thread has quickly turned into a fun trip down memory lane....Very cool.
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 Yeah. It wa a scary place allright...And, I was pretty little...I was never inside - just passing by. And, some people think Journal Square is scary now...Should have seen it in the 70s, right....Actually, I never heard the tapes....I'm gonna have to find then on-line one day....
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Also - if it's a recliner, it's either the chair that Red himself used to sit on, or it must be from a different bar. By all accounts I've heard and read, there were NO seats at the Tube Bar for the customers, not even bar stools. Apparently, Red felt that this would "slow people down" and let them get comfortable as they were drinking. He wanted to keep things moving. I heard he would threaten people with his constant companion (the baseball bat) if they weren't drinking "fast enough."
I can practically hear his gravelly voice now.... HAHAHA!!
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HAHAHA!! Tube Bar! Bingo! Nice one! 2 points!
I know nothing of the Tube Bar, other than the tapes. My friend's dad used to hang out there. He said it was indeed a scary place. Heck, from the sound of those tapes, Red himself was a pretty scary dude. A true JC classic character, though! Those tapes may have made me laugh harder than anything else I've ever heard in my life. Cheers, Red!  Your memory lives on here in JC!
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Actually. Now that I think of it, the chair may be from the Journal Square pub, not the Tube bar....Now I'm not so sure..
Anyway. I honestly don't miss the Tube though. I don't know about Red, himself, but there were some very scary characters in there........
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Actually. I have a chair from the Tube Bar  A green leather recliner that I bought on Craigslist. When my husband picked it up from somehwere in NJ, the owners were excited to learn it was going to back to JC because the chair was from the Tube bar....
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Justin - we're not old.... we're dang near ancient! (Just kidding, of course - we've got plenty of good mileage left!) You know what I remember about Two Guys? Model trains. I have no idea why. I guess they sold them, and I guess my dad collected them, or something. That's always the first thing I think of whenever I hear Two Guys. And do you remember that "arcade" they had in Great Eastern / Valley Fair? It had some sort of a kids ferris wheel in it. It was like a solid disc (mounted vertically) with a single seat welded onto it. I never actually rode it, but I'll always remember it. They had a few pinball machines (the Kiss one being the most notable) and that air hockey table. I loved that air hockey table.
FastEddie - Thanks for the confirmation on the restaurant name! Do you happen to remember if the place changed names along the way? For some reason I remember hearing that they had to change it because they were getting sued by the Mad Magazine people for using the name without permission, or something like that. And being that you were old enough to drink beer there at the time, your memory of it will be way better than mine. Aside from the soda glass issue, were the rest of the memories fairly accurate? I was just a kid, and it's all kind of hazy in my brain. I really wish I had a better memory. I miss those days. Also - do you remember exactly where it was located on 440? Was it near the Roosevelt Lanes site (as I remember it being), or was it actually farther down toward Communipaw? I'm really not sure. Could it have been near the site of the old drive in movie theater? And one more thing for my fellow long time Jersey Citians, does my screen name ring a bell in a Jersey City historical type of way? It's associated with something uniquely "Jersey City." Appropriately for this thread, it's associated with a place that's been shut down a long time. I'm kind if surprised nobody has called me out on it yet. He's a "famous" JC person, in a weird sort of way. Using his name is my way of sort of "tipping my cap" to him. Red Deutsch (pronounced "Doitch," I think). 2 points for anyone who knows who he is without Googling it!
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It wasn't that long ago, Red-D...I’m only a year older than you, and I happen to think I'm not that old!! But, I don’t think I ever ate there; Al Neumans, huh? Was it by the Stadium? Must have been a “Greenville” place
But Two Guys! Yes, of course. .My mom bought all my polyester there! And, I remember Valley Fair too…Tripoli? Was that a little place with really good ravioli? And, How about Dom’s Dairy (the stinky cheese store) next to Park Tavern?? Great Meatball Parm with fresh Mozzerella....
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You guys are leaving out Duckys on Newark ave nxt door to Schneiders bakery and up the block from Tripoli Restuarant... CK
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That was def the name of the place, Al Newman's. I don't remember any red plastic soda cups though, I always drank beer there. They served pitchers with frosted mugs.
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Sorry, being a noob here, I haven't figured out how to work the quote feature on this forum yet. It's a little different than another I visit. Sorry for the ignorance. I'm referring to Justin, a couple posts up.
You know what I remember most about the Rodeo? Aside from the guy setting fire to your steak to make it cook quicker? The "Texas Toast!" Hahaha! It was my favorite part of the meal! They made a good T-bone, too. What was the name of the cold cut place in the mall a couple doors down? Was that "Fabulous Meat City," or something like that? The mall that sold meats! HAHAHA Now they just have 19 different sneaker places. The best guess I can come up with about the place on 440 is "Al Newmans," (apparently after Alfred E. Newman, of Mad Magazine fame) but I'm pretty sure that's wrong. That may have been a name along the way because I think it changed names once or twice, but it's not the name I'm trying to think of. It's just killing me trying to remember the name. There was nothing very fancy about the place. They had rails set up where you entered in front of the register, so you could form a line. The dining room was off to the side and they had mostly booths, if I remember. Maybe with a few large round tables. The menu was sort of ordinary American foods (diner-ish) - burgers, fries, etc. You know what I distinctly remember about the place, come to think of it now? THE ONION RINGS! YES! The onion rings! Big, fat, greasy onion rings! I loved them! HAHAHAHA! I haven't thought about those in probably 30 years! This is going way back (for me, anyway). Hate to admit it, but I'll be 38 soon, and this is definitely going back to childhood memories. Hopefully they're fairly accurate. This place was in business way before there was so much development in the area. I think Great Eastern / Valley Fair was still there, and Two Guys was still around, too. Back to those days. If I remember, I don't even think the Colonette even existed when this place that I'm trying to think of was open (not sure of that fact, though - don't know when the Colonette was built). Definitely back in the days of Roosevelt Stadium - when it was actually an active ball park and major league baseball farm teams played some games there! I believe they were called the Jersey City Indians, and they were a farm team for the Cleveland Indians. My dad took me to see Rickey Henderson play there before he hit the big leagues. That, I definitely remember! Sorry - the memories are taking me in different directions now... hahaha. If you can come up with the name of that place, I'll owe you a big gold star! And yup! Villaggio's! Bingo!
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Thanks Bro, It was itching away at me.... CK
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Pompei, of course....Frank and Marie....
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Okay, we're really starting to age ourselves with this post.. Yes, definatley remember Arthur treachers Fish&Chips and can't believe their back again...Awesome ! And yes, the one and Only Blimpie base is still in Da Heights and they don't Chinse out on the ColdCuts, the walls are saturated with that Vinegar smell...(Mouth is watering)... I still say that Jules in the Heights kicked ass and what about that Pizza place accross from St Al's on Westside ave, I forgot the name, use to make a good Pie..... Yummy !
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Oh Man. You are SOOO Jersey City My husband laughs at me because I still call it the Blimpie Base...What a shame...Blimpie's were really good, right.....How about Arthur Treacher's in the (Hudson) Mall?? It's actually there again. I was there about a month ago, and I nearly died when I saw it....
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Nope. Jules on Westside was the best! Sorry, Heights people:o) LOVED the Rodeo….It reminds me of Tads Steaks in the City…standing in line for the greasy brush….Yum. Yum….Yummy. And, Red-Deutsch, please post it when you remember what you’re thinking of on 440 with the red cups??? I can’t imagine what you mean. There was a Diner…The Colony, I think. And, I believe that was where the Pizza Hut was - back when they had waitresses…I think they had red cups (just like Jules)…But, I’m curious to know what you’re thinking….What kind of food?? And, wasn’t it Villagio; the Pizza parlor on 440 with the Gyros? The pizza was really good when it first opened. Tippys! Yummy. Forgot about them all…I’m so hungry right now. I’m dying for a Jules Meatball parm….They were like giant breadballs covered in that sweet red sauce. I always wonder about the Barge/Barge Inn when I pass the one on Monmouth…I remember a Barge Inn, but I don’t remember it being downtown. Were there two?
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Yes, I agree, Tippys was a good one. My mom had a friend up that way that used to baby sit me when I was a kid. They'd always have Tippy's take out on the nights they were watching me.
This thread is making me hungry. The Plank Board was right up in that area too, and that was a good one as well. Little more high-brow, or whatever you want to call it, but the food was always good. Another sort of "fancy" type place I remember as a kid was the Barge. Truthfully, I don't even recall whether it was actually in JC or not, and I have no idea what ever came of the place, but all I do remember is that place had some really good seafood. First time I ever tried king crab legs was there. Now I'm definitely hungry.
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Hell YEAH, You can't be from JC and not remember the Rodeo at the Mall, use to have to stand on line with a tray waiting for that Steak, it was no Arthur's, but good at the time. Howabout the Gyro & Pizza place in the same parking lot area as the 440 mall...... I have to dissagree with Jules on WestSide, I think the one up in the Heights on Franlin was DA BEST!!!! I miss Tippys on the Blvd & Brother's dinner on Central accross from the North District. CK
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