wibbit wrote:
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Vigilante wrote:
I have said it before and I'll say it again. We need to bring back the Draft. YES, many privileged kids will escape or delay their service but it is obvious from the many incidents witnessed daily in our local communities and schools that it is the under-privileged kids who may need the discipline offered by Military Service. Instead these 18, 19 and older kids are hanging out on the streets planning their next crime. I have heard so many stories over the years from people whose lives were set on the right course by their Military Service. Look at the generations that emerged after WW II. How many of them got a free education and a new life? I know all about the horrors of Viet Nam and Iraq/Afghanastan but believe me the present administration LOVES having a volunteer Army. These new recruits are there because they wanted to be. A volunteer will rarely question an officers judgement. Not so in a conscripted Army. Besides, nothing will push a kid toward College like the threat of a Draft.

God no, lets please keep our trash in our own country. The last thing those poor iraqis need now is a bunch of wolfpacks dressed up pretending to be soldiers with m16 assault rifles. US is unpopular around world nowdays as it is, no need to make it worse.

I think a better solution would be tougher laws, especially for juveniles (age 14+).

Vigilante wrote:
I have said it before and I'll say it again. We need to bring back the Draft. YES, many privileged kids will escape or delay their service but it is obvious from the many incidents witnessed daily in our local communities and schools that it is the under-privileged kids who may need the discipline offered by Military Service. Instead these 18, 19 and older kids are hanging out on the streets planning their next crime. I have heard so many stories over the years from people whose lives were set on the right course by their Military Service. Look at the generations that emerged after WW II. How many of them got a free education and a new life? I know all about the horrors of Viet Nam and Iraq/Afghanastan but believe me the present administration LOVES having a volunteer Army. These new recruits are there because they wanted to be. A volunteer will rarely question an officers judgement. Not so in a conscripted Army. Besides, nothing will push a kid toward College like the threat of a Draft.

bdlaw wrote:
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Vigilante wrote:
...believe me the present administration LOVES having a volunteer Army. These new recruits are there because they wanted to be. A volunteer will rarely question an officers judgement. Not so in a conscripted Army. Besides, nothing will push a kid toward College like the threat of a Draft.

Really?

Christine16 wrote:

I'm not saying that the security gaurds currently employeed are the greates (obviously they arent).

Simon malls is a huge company, I'm sure if they wanted to they could hire decent security. With a new wave of high end stores there/coming in (sephora, coach, Armani exchange) they are eventually going to have to do something.

CANKICKER wrote:
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Christine16 wrote:
What's sad here is that the people involved are pretty young. Of course, it's a parenting issue (or lack of), but also, maybe the mall security guards should get off their segways and actually police. There is no reason that large groups (regardless of age, race, gender, etc.) who are obviously not shoppers should be allowed to gather and just hang in the mall (I don't care how hot it is outside).

I was there yesterday and a group of students were blocking the entrance. When I said excuse me the very "well-spoken" loud mouth of the group started yelling "Of all the entrances you have to use this one... Excuse you"

I'm sure the retailers would love to know that the thugs are actually deterring paying customers.

Mall Security ??? what mall Security,have you taken a good look at whos securing the mall ??? Theres not much seperating the Security from the Thugs we're all blogging about.

What a Joke !!!

CK

Vigilante wrote:
...believe me the present administration LOVES having a volunteer Army. These new recruits are there because they wanted to be. A volunteer will rarely question an officers judgement. Not so in a conscripted Army. Besides, nothing will push a kid toward College like the threat of a Draft.

rocky34 wrote:
Kids are going to be the next victim of crime, they are either threatened by their parents or by others, because of these region only they are moving towards the darkness of the crime.
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wibbit wrote:

are you not from around here or just live in a bubble? Those wolf pack kids will randomly gang up and assault people for no reason other than "fun", there were many similar incidents reported in jc, in some cases the victim were hurt much more severely. I dont even think it's gang initiation, just complete moral indifference and the desire to cause harm. And the situation is not getting any better.

CANKICKER wrote:
Security,have you taken a good look at whos securing the mall ??? Theres not much seperating the Security from the Thugs we're all blogging about.

What a Joke !!!

CK

Christine16 wrote:
What's sad here is that the people involved are pretty young. Of course, it's a parenting issue (or lack of), but also, maybe the mall security guards should get off their segways and actually police. There is no reason that large groups (regardless of age, race, gender, etc.) who are obviously not shoppers should be allowed to gather and just hang in the mall (I don't care how hot it is outside).

I was there yesterday and a group of students were blocking the entrance. When I said excuse me the very "well-spoken" loud mouth of the group started yelling "Of all the entrances you have to use this one... Excuse you"

I'm sure the retailers would love to know that the thugs are actually deterring paying customers.

heights wrote:
If we would have only 2 family rentals and convert the rest of the apartment buildings into condos this problem would be solved. Since the 70's when I was a kid as a Hudson County resident we would take a day trip to the Willowbrook Mall in Passaic County It was cool to be a Mall Rat, never a problem there. The patrons were NEVER hassled; the kids there were practically from the neighborhood, not from hoodlums. They were clean-cut or earthy looking wearing red tag Levis and Wallabies. I remember Smuggler's Attic, Zum Zum, Orbach's, Bamberger?s, Lorry's Restaurant, and various book Stores. I was never too keen on having a mall in an urban setting such as J.C. Going into Newport Mall sometimes feels like the forbidden zone. Oh those were the days.

wibbit wrote:
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ansky wrote:
Not that it makes things any better, but somehow I doubt this was a random incident. I doubt a group of guys just walked up to a random person and punched him in the face. The attackers probably had something against this guy - maybe he provoked them. They never seem to give that side of the story when these things are reported in the paper.

are you not from around here or just live in a bubble? Those wolf pack kids will randomly gang up and assault people for no reason other than "fun", there were many similar incidents reported in jc, in some cases the victim were hurt much more severely. I dont even think it's gang initiation, just complete moral indifference and the desire to cause harm. And the situation is not getting any better.

People say, it's because they are from broken families, tough neighborhoods etc.. it's all bullshit, no excuse for their actions. I agree on the abortion comment, unfortunately statistics show the exact opposite, those gangbangers are most likely to NOT have abortions, a big part of this is because the government will pay more money the more children there are per family with no income.

ansky wrote:
Not that it makes things any better, but somehow I doubt this was a random incident. I doubt a group of guys just walked up to a random person and punched him in the face. The attackers probably had something against this guy - maybe he provoked them. They never seem to give that side of the story when these things are reported in the paper.

ansky wrote:
Not that it makes things any better, but somehow I doubt this was a random incident. I doubt a group of guys just walked up to a random person and punched him in the face. The attackers probably had something against this guy - maybe he provoked them.

heights wrote:
If we would have only 2 family rentals and convert the rest of the apartment buildings into condos this problem would be solved. Since the 70's when I was a kid as a Hudson County resident we would take a day trip to the Willowbrook Mall in Passaic County It was cool to be a Mall Rat, never a problem there. The patrons were NEVER hassled; the kids there were practically from the neighborhood, not from hoodlums. They were clean-cut or earthy looking wearing red tag Levis and Wallabies. I remember Smuggler's Attic, Zum Zum, Orbach's, Bamberger?s, Lorry's Restaurant, and various book Stores. I was never too keen on having a mall in an urban setting such as J.C. Going into Newport Mall sometimes feels like the forbidden zone. Oh those were the days.

djh101 wrote:
Ughh! I get so disgusted hearing stories like this. The world would be a far better place if thugs like these were abortion statistics instead. Sadly, there's no going back in time.