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I didn't say car accidents are down. In fact, I said quite the opposite.


Returning to my original statement, the legalization of recreation marijuana will translate into higher car insurance rates. So even non users will be affected by this change.

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I didn't say car accidents are down. In fact, I said quite the opposite.

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The Denver Post has been doing stories on this since marijuana has become legal, accidents have one up. But what make the newspaper 'angry' is the fact that some medical examiner tests for marijuana use and other don't so you are not getting a full picture of accidents. Those that don't says marijuana stays in the body for a long time so it is not accurate. But that also means your surgeon or air pilot who uses marijuana for recreation has the chemical still in their blood. At what point during an accident does this drug interferes with judgment?


But the tons of functioning alcoholics are fine with you because it's been legal for years?

A few rips of some dank Kush and you'll mellow out a bit.


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It is difficult to pin an increase in traffic accidents or traffic fatalities on marijuana legalization. Traffic deaths nationwide increased by 14% from 2014 to 2016, with 2016 being the deadliest year since 2007. So Colorado is far from the only state to see an uptick in traffic incidents.

Colorado's traffic fatality rate per 100,000 citizens is 11.0, which is actually below the national average of 11.6. The highest fatality rates are in Mississippi (23.1) and Alabama (21.3), states that most certainly are not known for lax marijuana laws.

If anything, I'd surmise that the increase in traffic deaths nationwide has more to do with a strengthening economy plus relatively low gas prices. These two factors helped make 2016 the year with the highest number of miles driven in the history of the United States. More cars on the road and more miles driven would logically lead to an increase in traffic accidents.

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The Denver Post has been doing stories on this since marijuana has become legal, accidents have one up. But what make the newspaper 'angry' is the fact that some medical examiner tests for marijuana use and other don't so you are not getting a full picture of accidents. Those that don't says marijuana stays in the body for a long time so it is not accurate. But that also means your surgeon or air pilot who uses marijuana for recreation has the chemical still in their blood. At what point during an accident does this drug interferes with judgment?

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We've been screwed ever since no-fault anyway Yvonne. They don't need a reason to jack up your rates, they just make it up as they go along. It's a Joisey thing.


I think it's going to get even more interesting as the mileage trackers get market share. Low mileage drivers have been subsidizing higher risk high-mileage drivers forever. So, similar to the reval, as some people get their insurance lowered some are going to get it raised.

That said, the whole tracker thing is creepy as hell! I can see every place my wife goes via the insurance app and vice versa. No doubt they're selling the data too.

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Just be prepared to pay more money in car insurance. There has been an increased in accidents in Colorado. I spoke to my agent as to why rates are going up even you do not make a claim and he gave me the stats in JC.


We've been screwed ever since no-fault anyway Yvonne. They don't need a reason to jack up your rates, they just make it up as they go along. It's a Joisey thing.


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Just be prepared to pay more money in car insurance. There has been an increased in accidents in Colorado. I spoke to my agent as to why rates are going up even you do not make a claim and he gave me the stats in JC.

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Poll: 59% of New Jersey backs legal weed

https://newjerseyglobe.com/section-2/p ... -jersey-backs-legal-weed/

The silent majority needs to not be silent on this issue and overpower the NIMBYs trying to stop this.

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The Dems are getting smarter. This is a guaranteed vote getter:

https://nypost.com/2018/04/20/schumer- ... -decriminalize-marijuana/

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Since marijuana does not send users into homicidal rages, nor does it encourage users to steal rampantly to pay for it, it makes no sense to claim that Colorado's homicide rate increased slightly because marijuana was legalized.


Did u bother to read the article?

Yes. Did you?

The CBI and and Denver PD offer no theories. One police officer mistakenly says it's due to economic conditions (patently false, as crime rates did not soar in 2007-2009). One lawmaker who tries to pin it on pot also acknowledges a surge in opiate use.

Spare us the FUD, kthx.


The article points to crime increasing to outsiders coming to Colorado for the pot laws. They have increased crime in the state! And say what u want driving high is the same as driving drunk and when there is no accurate way to test than it should not be legal. Period. Its common sense.


in what world is driving high at all the same as driving drunk? how many high drivers plow into other cars and kill people? anyway, the information can be spun anyway you want to hear it, but the fact is, if weed (which people are going to smoke either way) was made legal, it reduces the drug sales from people who support cartels and the like and puts money into state taxes and local growers which sounds like an obvious choice to most logical people.

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Since marijuana does not send users into homicidal rages, nor does it encourage users to steal rampantly to pay for it, it makes no sense to claim that Colorado's homicide rate increased slightly because marijuana was legalized.


Did u bother to read the article?

Yes. Did you?

The CBI and and Denver PD offer no theories. One police officer mistakenly says it's due to economic conditions (patently false, as crime rates did not soar in 2007-2009). One lawmaker who tries to pin it on pot also acknowledges a surge in opiate use.

Spare us the FUD, kthx.


The article points to crime increasing to outsiders coming to Colorado for the pot laws. They have increased crime in the state! And say what u want driving high is the same as driving drunk and when there is no accurate way to test than it should not be legal. Period. Its common sense.

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Since marijuana does not send users into homicidal rages, nor does it encourage users to steal rampantly to pay for it, it makes no sense to claim that Colorado's homicide rate increased slightly because marijuana was legalized.


Did u bother to read the article?

Yes. Did you?

The CBI and and Denver PD offer no theories. One police officer mistakenly says it's due to economic conditions (patently false, as crime rates did not soar in 2007-2009). One lawmaker who tries to pin it on pot also acknowledges a surge in opiate use.

Spare us the FUD, kthx.

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Just a matter of time....

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Since marijuana does not send users into homicidal rages, nor does it encourage users to steal rampantly to pay for it, it makes no sense to claim that Colorado's homicide rate increased slightly because marijuana was legalized.


Did u bother to read the article?


I read it, there's no link, just weak speculation. They're trying to pin everything from murders to drunk driving on weed.

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Here's an article with links to actual studies:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mari ... galization-violent-crime/

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Did u bother to read the article?

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This really shouldn't be a debate. Legalization is a slam dunk. You have the successful models in other states already. Throw in the fact that we have major cities bordering our state, we could easily draw in some major revenue via "tourism." Atlantic City could have something drawing people to it, again. Camden could start to make a come-back in some parts as a destination.

The downside could be a much more crowded PATH. The plus side could be that the PATH might be pressured to run more trains later and over the weekend...


Really? This successful model?
https://www.denverpost.com/2017/07/11/ ... rcent-higher-murder-rate/

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Peeps have been driving high forever. You look confused.

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I reached out to him on Facebook as well. The article doesn't explain any of his possible reasoning for being against legalization, so I'll let him make his case, but I will vote against him in every election if he isn't in favor of something the vast majority of NJ and Hudson County supports.


Half this opposition is just spineless pols afraid of being painted "soft on crime" in the next election. That's why only in Vermont was legalization passed by the legislature, all the rest were plebiscites where they could claim it wasn't them that did it.


Really? How do u know that? Do u really think it is safe to pass? There is no way currently to regulate driving while high. That doesn't seem to be a win win to me!

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Vote delayed on Jersey City pot plan

Jersey City Mayor Steve Fulop's plan to bar recreational marijuana sales citywide before coming up with pot-friendly zones lives for another day, with the City Council Wednesday night moving to postpone a vote on the controversial proposal.

The council voted 8-1 to set aside the measure, which was scheduled for a final vote Wednesday night. Councilman-at-large Daniel Rivera, who supports Fulop's plan, was the only no vote.

http://www.nj.com/jjournal-news/index ... ed_on_jersey_city_po.html


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These politicians are simply cowards who think they'll lose more votes by supporting it than they'll gain, since seniors vote more than young people.

Time for a weed rally in Trenton? The "Massive Mellow March"?

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These politicians are simply cowards who think they'll lose more votes by supporting it than they'll gain, since seniors vote more than young people.

Time for a weed rally in Trenton? The "Massive Mellow March"?

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This really shouldn't be a debate. Legalization is a slam dunk. You have the successful models in other states already. Throw in the fact that we have major cities bordering our state, we could easily draw in some major revenue via "tourism." Atlantic City could have something drawing people to it, again. Camden could start to make a come-back in some parts as a destination.

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On marijuana, why help criminals keep their monopoly? | Moran

The latest head-count in the Senate offers sobering news for those working to legalize marijuana in New Jersey. Only five senators said yes, from a total of 40.

"We need to slow this thing down," says Sen. Ron Rice (D-Essex), chairman of the Legislative Black Caucus, who is holding public hearings to drum up more opposition.

Great. The criminal prohibition against weed is as crazy and destructive as the prohibition against alcohol in the 1920s, and we just may stick with it.

Both prohibitions taught millions of decent people to ignore the law of the land. They both allowed bad guys with guns to make a fortune. And today, we add a modern twist by imprisoning African-Americans for weed crimes at three times the rate of whites.

http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2 ... s_keep_their_monopol.html


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We have played phone tag thus far, but I will speak to him.

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There is actual data out there nowadays regarding the impact of marijuana legalization on the use of marijuana by children. We are no longer living in a country where everyone can say "what if?" to the hypothetical scenario of marijuana legalization.

In 2002, recreational marijuana was illegal in all 50 states. Medical marijuana was allowed in only a few states. That year, 8.2% of Americans aged 12-17 used marijuana in the past month, per the National Survey on Drug Use and Health.

In 2016, recreational marijuana was legal or in the process of becoming legal in Colorado, Alaska, California, Maine, Massachusetts, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington. Medical marijuana was legal in over half of all states. That year, 6.5% of Americans aged 12-17 used marijuana in the past month.

https://www.samhsa.gov/data/sites/defa ... -2016/NSDUH-FFR1-2016.pdf

Legalizing a substance for adult use doesn't preclude adults from continuing to teach children the dangers of drug and alcohol use and abuse. Defending prohibition based on some false narrative about protecting the children is a stance not based in reality and is frankly insulting in 2018.


Very nice! Have you made your call/email to Stack?

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One of his concerns is "what message do we send our children?" if we legalize. I would say the message is we'll no longer waste public resources and destroy lives jailing people for using or distributing an intoxicant far less harmful than those currently legal: alcohol and tobacco.

I smoked pot in HS and college with people who went on to be high powered hedge funders, lawyers, doctors, and one who was a GWB appointed US District Attorney. Law enforcement has destroyed far more lives than cannabis has. And we haven't even touched on the race and class bias in that enforcement.
There is actual data out there nowadays regarding the impact of marijuana legalization on the use of marijuana by children. We are no longer living in a country where everyone can say "what if?" to the hypothetical scenario of marijuana legalization.

In 2002, recreational marijuana was illegal in all 50 states. Medical marijuana was allowed in only a few states. That year, 8.2% of Americans aged 12-17 used marijuana in the past month, per the National Survey on Drug Use and Health.

In 2016, recreational marijuana was legal or in the process of becoming legal in Colorado, Alaska, California, Maine, Massachusetts, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington. Medical marijuana was legal in over half of all states. That year, 6.5% of Americans aged 12-17 used marijuana in the past month.

https://www.samhsa.gov/data/sites/defa ... -2016/NSDUH-FFR1-2016.pdf

Legalizing a substance for adult use doesn't preclude adults from continuing to teach children the dangers of drug and alcohol use and abuse. Defending prohibition based on some false narrative about protecting the children is a stance not based in reality and is frankly insulting in 2018.

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One of his concerns is "what message do we send our children?" if we legalize. I would say the message is we'll no longer waste public resources and destroy lives jailing people for using or distributing an intoxicant far less harmful than those currently legal: alcohol and tobacco.

I smoked pot in HS and college with people who went on to be high powered hedge funders, lawyers, doctors, and one who was a GWB appointed US District Attorney. Law enforcement has destroyed far more lives than cannabis has. And we haven't even touched on the race and class bias in that enforcement.

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