nyrgravey9 wrote:
Arcy,

I'm telling you, for your own sanity, you just gotta do like the rest of us and ignore Batman/vigliante.

This issue on the mayors radar as well as the ward councilmen and women.

Join your neighborhood association and be another voice in favor of fixing this and it will help enact change that much quicker.

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arcy wrote:
The law is pretty simple and so much of the park is given to dogs to roam without a leash (dog run).
I used to live near Washington square park in manhattan. I can't imagine trying to let my dog off a leash there. I don't know why people are so entitled here in jersey city. If jersey city wants to be taken seriously, the community must support the laws. (Just an interloper's humble opinion). Dogs must be on leashes. There are no exceptions in the law.
If you think the law is unjust, by all means fight the law. Conduct civil disobedience. Start a "legalize dogs off leash" campaign. Petition to change the law. But for right now, the law is pretty simple.

I'm sure you've never smoked weed or broken any laws but in any case my civil disobedience is walking my harmless dog off-leash. Agitprop.

Got it. Good luck with your cause.
I wasn't sure if I should address your personal questions but to make a point , I will. I don't smoke weed but that doesn't stop me from supporting legalization of weed and decriminalizing drugs. I've signed several petitions on that matter. I've donated money to fight unjust laws regarding gay marriage. I've engaged in mass civil disobedience (which lead to my arrest) to protest legislation that I found unjust. In that same vigor, I support the leash laws. I'm a vegan. I don't believe that healthy dogs should be put down. I've seen so many dogs put down because their owners have the dogs unleashed and the dogs bite someone. Also, My son was bit by a dog when he was very young. I don't disagree that the dogs may be "harmless," but other dogs are not. If other dog owners see the dogs off leashes they will feel entitled to have their harmful dog to be off the leash. I think this law is relevant is a city environment . I'm repeating myself on this thread....
And the recent poster made a good point, I think there is a lack of animal control enforcement patrolling the area. I think there should be more animal control officers and police officers enforcing the law. Obviously people cannot follow the rules themselves.

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arcy wrote:
The law is pretty simple and so much of the park is given to dogs to roam without a leash (dog run).
I used to live near Washington square park in manhattan. I can't imagine trying to let my dog off a leash there. I don't know why people are so entitled here in jersey city. If jersey city wants to be taken seriously, the community must support the laws. (Just an interloper's humble opinion). Dogs must be on leashes. There are no exceptions in the law.
If you think the law is unjust, by all means fight the law. Conduct civil disobedience. Start a "legalize dogs off leash" campaign. Petition to change the law. But for right now, the law is pretty simple.

I'm sure you've never smoked weed or broken any laws but in any case my civil disobedience is walking my harmless dog off-leash. Agitprop.

arcy wrote:
The law is pretty simple and so much of the park is given to dogs to roam without a leash (dog run).
I used to live near Washington square park in manhattan. I can't imagine trying to let my dog off a leash there. I don't know why people are so entitled here in jersey city. If jersey city wants to be taken seriously, the community must support the laws. (Just an interloper's humble opinion). Dogs must be on leashes. There are no exceptions in the law.
If you think the law is unjust, by all means fight the law. Conduct civil disobedience. Start a "legalize dogs off leash" campaign. Petition to change the law. But for right now, the law is pretty simple.

mRanger48 wrote:
I see this thread has become award winning since last i visited....my thoughts (from one ranger fan to another):

Regarding leash laws:

Hamilton Park - 100% 24/7 all dogs must be on leash. Way too much going on over there for them not to be.

Van Vorst Park - 100% 24/7 all dogs must be on leash. I know all the hard work and effort that went into refurbishing that park, and the beautiful landscaping and flowers that encompass the inside. An amazing job was done by all there, and in no way should dogs be allowed to traipse through and ruin it all.

Morris Canal Park - I think we need to have some leniency there with regard to off leashing dogs. As Colleen stated, if my dog is offleash all the way out by the point, is it REALLY bothering u that much out there? In fact, I actually was there this week with my dog (on leash) and saw a cop there w/ his canine (off leash) playing out by the point. I asked the cop about leash laws and he said as long as it's not bothering anyone out here, it shouldn't be a problem, just make sure u pick up after ur dog - we want to keep the park clean for everyone to use. What that cop said is probably the most reasonable statement I have heard or read regarding this matter. And also, I've read some people posting about getting an active dog in an urban environment. Well, I'm sorry that wasn't going through my mind when my future to-be-adopted dog was on the "kill list", when i rescued him.

As far as I'm concerned we should only become anal retentive over-actors about dogs being off leash (in an area that affects barely anyone) if we see a refurbishment like this:



As far as not picking up dog crap: That sh*t needs stop everywhere. People like that should not have dogs. In retrospect, I do agree with many points in this thread. However, I do feel it should not be all one-sided as some are trying to make it out to be. The point out in Morris Canal Park needs to be some sort of concession by nyrgravey and the other prosecutors about off leashing dogs EVERYWHERE. I do retract my stance if and when they decided to refurbish the park.

rs9182 wrote:
I love how you completely disregard every other completely valid point I made.

Thank you for your nonsensical rambling, but yes, I do understand how to read and comprehend beyond basic shapes and numbers.

For example: I can tell when someone hell bent on being a prick and trying to masquerade some inadequacy in the guise of doing a public service.

As someone just posted, if the dog is not even remotely close to you, why do you care if it's off leash? You seem to be under the misconception that every dog owner that has their dog off leash is completely irresponsible and is going to allow their dog to maul some small child and because of YOUR inability to actually use your head, you have to punish everyone else.

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Actually, I do clean up after my dog. In cases where I was out of bags and not realized it, I have gone back immediately to clean up.

But yes, I do let him, on occasion run off leash because he is WELL-BEHAVED.

I just can't fathom why you are exhausting yourself on this incredibly stupid issue. If you really are trying to make life better for people in JC, I would like to see you run an extensive campaign to people who litter - esp the assholes who throw their cigarette butts anywhere they want. Or how about the parents who allow their children to run around with zero supervision - in many cases towards my LEASHED dog.

The bottom line is, you're an asshole. You're trying to punish people - for reasons I can't grasp - who have extremely well behaved dogs in Morris Canal Park. I agree with you, there are SOME bad dog owners. But there are also SOME bad parents and there are SOME assholes who feel the need to use JC neighborhoods as trash cans. Why do you feel the need to go after ONE of these particular groups? Are you so lonely and miserable to the point of becoming the pathetic lowlife you've degenerated into? Maybe if you weren't such a prick you'd loosen up a little.

Vigilante wrote:
Arcy, you sound like a wacko. Your profile speaks volumes. That dog is HARMLESS and your over protective mommying makes me sick to my stomach. Are you not the same woman who drags your kid around the park stalking dog owners and whining aloud? Get a life. Old people look for problems.

rs9182 wrote:
I see NYGravey is still on his quest of being the most epic dbag who ever took up residence in Jersey City. Thanks for your crusade to make life more difficult for us.

rs9182 wrote:
I see NYGravey is still on his quest of being the most epic dbag who ever took up residence in Jersey City. Thanks for your crusade to make life more difficult for us.

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nyrgravey9 wrote:
Arcy...word of advice. If you see a guy in the park with black, skin tight tights and a black cape, sorta Batman-ish, that's Vigilante.

He has a special relationship with JCPD where he busts the real baddies so watch out.

Ok, jokes over. Don't get too wrapped up with what this clown says. Learn to ignore him like the rest of us do.

Said the dog fetishist about the guy who actually put people in jail.

Honestly, you both come off like dicks with your constant whining at each other. NYR slightly moreso.

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nyrgravey9 wrote:
Arcy...word of advice. If you see a guy in the park with black, skin tight tights and a black cape, sorta Batman-ish, that's Vigilante.

He has a special relationship with JCPD where he busts the real baddies so watch out.

Ok, jokes over. Don't get too wrapped up with what this clown says. Learn to ignore him like the rest of us do.

Said the dog fetishist about the guy who actually put people in jail.

Vigilante wrote:
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nyrgravey9 wrote:
Arcy...word of advice. If you see a guy in the park with black, skin tight tights and a black cape, sorta Batman-ish, that's Vigilante.

He has a special relationship with JCPD where he busts the real baddies so watch out.

Ok, jokes over. Don't get too wrapped up with what this clown says. Learn to ignore him like the rest of us do.

Said the dog fetishist about the guy who actually put people in jail.