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Re: Whew! Made it. 48 candidates meet filing deadline for municipal elections
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Response to caj11's POST #23.


donaldj asked question#4 below.

4.\"My point is, regardless of who you may be voting for courtesy should be extended to all candidates.\"

Caj's Response:

What courtesy exactly do you want? He has every right to run for mayor again, he got his signatures but I simply feel that there is no way he could convince me he is worthy of my vote, because actions speak louder than words and he should not waste his time with me. But if I walk by a table with someone campaigning for Healy, I'll acknowledge their existence, pick up a brochure and go about my business. Does that make you happy?[/quote]

DONALDj's response:

Yes caj11 this does make me happy, and I commend you for taking that piece of literature off of a volunteer despite your negative feelings about the candidate. That is the courtesy I was describing which I had found to be lacking while out campaigning downtown. After all, besides everything else which was discussed on this board after my original post common courtesy is all my original post was actually about.

Posted on: 2009/4/2 12:12
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Re: Whew! Made it. 48 candidates meet filing deadline for municipal elections
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mwa7368 wrote:
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Rather than pass by a candidate or one of his workers with not so much as acknowledging them is just wrong. Why not stop and talk, ask a question, tell them how you feel, just be courteous?


This statement makes we want to pass by even more, everyday! To think that the citizens owe anything to the candidates is absolutely ridiculous. Don't get upset that I don't stop and chit-chat, time is money baby and I'm not giving you any during my commute. If you want my vote it's your responsibility to figure out how to get it, if giving handouts at the PATH station and boasting don't work then try something new. I look forward to the debates.


Reference to post #18: I beg to differ, when you write: Citizens don't "owe anything to the candidates". Citizens owe it to themselves to obtain any and all information which is out there in order to permit themselves to make an informed vote. You write: "time is money baby and I'm not giving you any during my commute". and you continue to opine "If you want my vote its your responsibility to figure out how to get it". People in our country have died defending the democratic freedoms you currently enjoy and which you cavaliery dismiss in your post. I am certain the families of serviceman who have died in the service of their country would really appreciate your condescending attitude, and also the soldiers of all past wars who have been in muddy foxholes with bombs and bullets flying all around them. "Time is money baby", this is a shamefull attitude and hopefully exclusive only to you.

Posted on: 2009/4/1 14:53
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Re: Whew! Made it. 48 candidates meet filing deadline for municipal elections
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donaldj wrote:
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mwa7368 wrote:
Save it for a debate...downtowners hate when people hand out literature...see "Kiosk Badgering at Newport Mall" post. If it was for Healy, nobody is gonna believe that BS he is selling anyway.


Point made, this is exactly the attitude I am talking about.


That isn't their attitude, it is their opinion of Healy. I don't know or care if you work for Healy's campaign or not but can you blame them for thinking what he sells is BS? It would appear that he has some kind of alcohol problem (I am only saying that it would it would appear), as evidenced by what happened in 2004 on his own front stoop and the events of 2006 in Bradley Beach. Not only was he proven guilty of obstruction of justice, a conviction that was upheld on appeal, he had the nerve to sue Bradley Beach and the two police officers for simply DOING THEIR JOB (thankfully that lawsuit was thrown out but the officers still had to take time out of their day to deal with it and it cost Bradley Beach some of its own resources). Suppose Healy was in the same situation in Jersey City. Would he sue the Jersey City police officers for doing their job, that are part of a department that he is technically the head of?

My OPINION (and only my opinion), based on the events reported in the media, is that he is not fit for office. That, my friend, is the democratic process.


First caj11, I would like to say you have written what at least in my mind is a valid argument contrary to the position I had taken in post #4 . My argument to you is, regardless of whether people think what the Mayor is selling BS really isn't the point. Rather than pass by a candidate or one of his workers with not so much as acknowledging them is just wrong. Why not stop and talk, ask a question, tell them how you feel, just be courteous? I will not argue that the Mayor likes to have a libation now and again, and maybe he indulges more than I myself would prefer him to. But, a large majority of us have indulged more than we should have, probably on more than one occasion. As long as this does not affect the job he is doing for Jersey City and is done on his own time it is his business. You mention what happened on his front stoop in 2004; Well it was very well publicized then and as we know he was elected by a majority vote AFTER this incident, and this is now old news and in the past. As for the Mayors conviction in Bradley Beach, I cannot stand here without being a hypocrit and say I'm happy that this happened, nor will I represent on this board that he was somehow the victim of overzealous police, which I'm certain many of my detractors on this board would expect me to say. the Mayor went through the criminal justice system and the matter was decided by the same system which you and I and everyone else is accountable to and I accept it and so should he. But it is wrong to criticize the Mayor for exhausting every right which he is entitled to within our system, such as the right to appeal and the right to litigate the matter in Civil Court. You further wrote: "My opinion, based on the events reported in the media, is that he is not fit for office. That my friend is the democratic process." Well that is not the opinion of Hudson County Assignment Judge Gallipolli and the New Jersey Appeals Court who has just thrown out a lawsuit by former Sherriff Joe Cassidy who sought to have the Mayor disqualified from running for office as not being fit, Sherriff Cassidy's suit was thrown out by BOTH courts, and the voters will now decide on May 12. And that my friend is the judicial process. My point is, regardless of who you may be voting for courtesy should be extended to all candidates.

Posted on: 2009/4/1 13:46
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Re: Whew! Made it. 48 candidates meet filing deadline for municipal elections
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mwa7368 wrote:
Save it for a debate...downtowners hate when people hand out literature...see "Kiosk Badgering at Newport Mall" post. If it was for Healy, nobody is gonna believe that BS he is selling anyway.


Point made, this is exactly the attitude I am talking about.

Posted on: 2009/3/30 11:57
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Re: Whew! Made it. 48 candidates meet filing deadline for municipal elections
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Just an observation: I was out campaigning with several candidates participating in the upcoming municipal election. One thing that really struck me while being downtown was some of the extremely rude and condescending attitude of "many" of the people which we had encountered. Not to stereotype these people but i have to say that this attitude seemed to permeate from people who, at least to me looked to be newly arrived to this constantly gentrifying area of Jersey City. What is striking about this, is that these people are more than likely the biggest complainers and loudest critics of the administration, but when given the opportunity to either take a piece of literature or engage one of the actual office holders in a conversation they will just walk by and not even make eye contact. This is a shame, because THIS IS THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS and minimally people should at least be respectfull to those who are participating in it. Before everyone starts saying that I'm picking on downtowners, I said "MANY" of the people not "all". Those people who act this way know who you are.

Posted on: 2009/3/30 11:01
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Re: Political Insider: Healy fundraiser was filled with drama, but was there enough cash?
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jcecker wrote:
What the heck is going on with local Jersey City government
and all these alcohol involved stories.Just like in private industry, it's the same in government, leadership starts at the top.If local officials see their leaders abuse alcohol then
they will be more apt to think it is acceptable.The problem then perpetuates itself.

Mayor Healy has been known to use alcohol and even to have been involved in an incident in southern New Jersey a couple of years ago where he was arrested and convicted during a altercation with the local police.During his trial I believe he talked about using alcohol before the incident.I don't know how much was used but even if 1 ounce impaired his judgement then that is too much.

The point is that even though public officials are people too and can succumb to the same problems as anyone else they need to be held to a higher standard because they represent all of us.Their actions have a ripple effect on the
people they govern and represent.Their constituents can lose faith in them and so feel they are not represented by a competent government.




Imagine a teacher conducting a social studies class and following current events in the local newspaper.Imagine these students so frequently coming across irresponsible actions by government officials.I can only hope that the teacher would point out that these actions are an anomaly and not to be expected.

It looks like we need a change.

Yes,change we can believe in.


jcecker, jcecker, jcecker following your train of thought if a teacher went out and had the same type of incident the superintendant of school would be responsible for the teachers conduct outside the scope of the teachers employment. Or, lets say a businessman cracks up a car while dui or gets arrested with drugs it would be the corporation CEO who is responsible. People are responsible for their own conduct.

Posted on: 2009/3/9 12:42
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Re: Gaughan's Legacy!
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JRL wrote:
Must be nice to have your father provide you a job since her florist business did not work out. We should all be so lucky to have the city payroll to fall back on.


Regardless of what you say about Bill, he is operating within the parameters of the law. He has a right to pick anyone he chooses to to be his council aide. As to patronage, this is long time honored tradition in this country, and was not invented by Mayor Healy or his administration. Even President Obama has patronage jobs to pass out, wow imagine that. Furthermore I don't think personal attacks on ones family is a proper way to use this board. Just my thoughts

Posted on: 2009/2/24 17:49
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