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Re: One of those sightseeing planes crashed in Bayonne today.
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Jolly - what are the routes helicopters are supposed to use when going from Kearny to the NYC helipads? My understanding is they are supposed to go over 139 and 14th Street/Holland Tunnel which is why that Target and Acme get a ton of low flying overheads.

Yet down in the Van Vorst area we get double digits flights overhead daily. Some are higher than others. The number of flights has gotten steadily worse over the past decade.

Would be nice if the industry made a bigger push for quieter equipment...



I'm also in VVP area and I agree with the increase in traffic. Been here for decades. As a former fixed-wing pilot I know it's pretty difficult to gauge altitude from the air or the ground but my call would be circa 500' with the occasional lower ones. And they are loud...

Kearny probably isn't the source/destination of these flights. My bet is they're mostly from Linden Airport (farther South). I fly in/out of Linden a few times a year and there are a whole bunch of news and tourist copters based there. VVP is pretty much in a straight line from there to NYC. Watch them flying and you'll see they're mostly heading SW or NE.


Most flights coming over JC probably are from Linden (if small) or further west coming over Newark. The few times I flew out of Linden I'd fly to the west side of Newark airport then turn east directly over the airport then into the city. Direct from Linden to NYC would conflict with a lot of EWR traffic so unlikely.
I'd also say 500 feet over downtown would be unusual (I live downtown so I see then). Generally we are kept at 1k over EWR then descend as we reach the river just west of the statue. Not saying they never go lower but would be unusual.

Posted on: 2017/3/2 12:51
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Re: One of those sightseeing planes crashed in Bayonne today.
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mfadam wrote:
Jolly - what are the routes helicopters are supposed to use when going from Kearny to the NYC helipads? My understanding is they are supposed to go over 139 and 14th Street/Holland Tunnel which is why that Target and Acme get a ton of low flying overheads.

Yet down in the Van Vorst area we get double digits flights overhead daily. Some are higher than others. The number of flights has gotten steadily worse over the past decade.

Would be nice if the industry made a bigger push for quieter equipment...



I'm not sure of the route from Kearny, never gone there, but that route makes sense. Any time anyone is in that area or closer to Newark they are talking to Newark tower. As far as coming over downtown, they are probably coming in over Newark and heading to 30th street. The route from Newark is supposed to follow over the turnpike etension then just north of the statue of liberty but newark often clears direct which would take you over JC.

Posted on: 2017/3/2 12:45
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Re: One of those sightseeing planes crashed in Bayonne today.
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Yvonne, the whole point is you can't tell how high they are from the ground. Though now that you switched to Liberty State Park I would guess they are lower there (assuming you mean sight seeing helicopters). They descend to about 500 feet to circle the statue of liberty. As far as getting away from my keyboard, shall we compare who has more hours logged in helicopters?

Posted on: 2017/3/1 21:41
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Re: One of those sightseeing planes crashed in Bayonne today.
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The 1000 foot rule doesn't apply to helicopters. But, it is not the wild west. There are prescribed routes in and out of the NYC area. Unless over the Hudson below certain altitudes (varies by location), helicopters will be in touch with ATC (approach control or local towers), in radar contact with a discrete transponder code. If they are breaking rules it will be known. As far as the 2-3 feet above a building, if that is to mean actually above the building itself, not offset, that is crazy hard to do at speed. People ALWAYS greatly underestimate the height of helicopters. If you think you can judge the height from just looking you are wrong.

Posted on: 2017/3/1 20:27
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Re: Kearny heliport to bring noise & dangerously congested skies to Jersey City
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If it is hovering for long it is a news helicopter

Posted on: 2016/12/13 11:45
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Re: Helicopters over the Hudson
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Bodhipooh is correct about airspace. And I seriously doubt the 500 feet over Hamilton park claim. People on the ground are very bad at judging height.

Posted on: 2016/2/2 5:54
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Re: Virile Barber Shop
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Actually, my normal haircut is free. I do it myself. This is about a relaxing experience. Some people like to get a massage. I like to get a shave.

Posted on: 2014/2/10 14:40
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Re: Virile Barber Shop
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I decided to stop in for a shave and a haircut. I keep my hair short so its an easy cut.
I get a few shaves a year and this one was as good as any. The whole thing was 75 bucks, but they gave me 10 off since it was my first time.
I, for one, am glad they are here. I'll probably be stopping in every other month or so.

Oh, and I got a glass of bourbon (Bulleit) and it was a generous pour.

Posted on: 2014/2/10 14:14
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Re: Military Helicopters
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What would you consider proof? Each unit is allocated a certain number of flight hours per year. They are going to be flown one way or another. Call them training or operational, it doesn't change the cost.

Posted on: 2014/2/2 17:14
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Re: Online gambling in JC
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I've been on WSOP with no problems

Posted on: 2013/12/2 22:39
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T-Mobile
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Anyone using T-Mobile in JC? If so, how is your coverage?

Added the "e". Happy?

Posted on: 2013/6/9 22:55

Edited by Jolly13 on 2013/6/9 23:15:16
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Re: Helicopters over the Hudson
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And as far as the routes changing in 2010, I'll say again that it really wasn't a change in the way helicopters have always operated on the river. Southbound traffic has always hugged the jersey side.

Posted on: 2012/6/18 15:07
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Re: Helicopters over the Hudson
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Yes, it has increased over the last few years because it decreased significantly during the recession. It still hasn't returned to previous levels.

Helicopters noise has been complained about for years. The ERHC takes it seriously and works with local groups to an extent. But they are not a regulatory agency, local operators don't have to follow their recommendations.

What is the solution? Short of banning helicopters (not going to happen) you try to keep them out over the water and at altitude. Only so much you can do in that regard.

Posted on: 2012/6/18 15:04
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Re: Helicopters over the Hudson
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Just to clear up some points, helicopter traffic has always flown on the west side of the river when travelling south and on the east side when travelling north. It's done to maintain separation, just like on a road. The third bullet point in the referenced plan does require any tour helicopters to maintain a path along the center of the river, so I suppose that would bring those helicopters a little closer, but it's the southbound ones that create the noise, as they are much closer.
There is not much to be done about the airspace. The only reason NYC had any control was because they control the helipads not the airspace.

Helicopters have in fact been flying down the Hudson river, right along the Jersey side, for many many years. Complaining about it is kind of like moving in next to an airport and then complaining about airplane noise.

Posted on: 2012/6/17 19:03
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Re: Sightseeing Helicopter Crashes: Woman On Birthday Tour Dies in River
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Outrage about what? We don't even know what happened yet. Is there outrage every time someone is killed in a traffic accident? And I'm not even sure what you mean by a commuter. Commuter what?

And as far as inept maintenance, even if the aircraft was just inspected some things will not be found. Mechanics are not supermen. And that assumes it was mechanical. Could have been pilot error. A seagull could have flown into the tail rotor.

And it wasn't a tour helicopter, so you can't tie it to the crash of the tour helicopter a couple of years ago. And even in that one it was a midair. The helicopter was hit by a small fixed wing. the pilot of the fixed wing was at fault. In the wrong place at the wrong altitude talking on the wrong frequency.

But by all means let's jump to conclusions.

Posted on: 2011/10/18 0:38
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Re: Kearny heliport to bring noise & dangerously congested skies to Jersey City
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The owner of Linden airport says it's dangerous? Perhaps he doesn't want anyone else selling Jet A to the local helicopters.

Posted on: 2009/10/12 11:47
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Re: Blocking driveways..
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Would you buy a $30,000 home theater system and leave it on the street? Probably not. Too many people buy fancy, expensive cars and forget to account for the fact that said car is gonna be exposed to the whims of thousands of people. Unless you have a private garage or a force-field around your car it's gonna get dinged, bumped and scratched. Most of the damage on my car was caused by garbage-men dragging cans and bags over the hood and trunk of my car. And if you hog parking spaces you are just asking for it! The auto industry needs to design a more effective and practical "city bumper".


But Kevin, how do you know when the "offending parker" parked well, but subsequent movement of vehicles makes it look like he took up two spaces? I have often parked in a normal way, then later see that the cars around me have moved and it looks like I took up way too much space.

Posted on: 2009/9/6 17:00
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Re: Stop Signs on Erie Street - Steven FUlop
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Bogart,
I agree with you on that. Most of the drivers going down Erie or Jersey (and I assume most other roads) go way too fast, and don't seem to give a crap about anyone else.

Posted on: 2009/8/25 18:41
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Re: Stop Signs on Erie Street - Steven FUlop
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I suppose my sexism made me assume. I usually do that when writing. I don't like the she/he thing. My mistake. As for the other part, if you could have gotten a ticket then you were operating a vehicle contrary to the rules. Seems that you would be responsible for any damage. How hard would it be for that person not too have hit you? I'm not sure. How hard is it for you to follow traffic rules?

I admit that since you stopped it certainly helps your case. I just see so many bikers who want cars to share the road with them because they are traffic (I agree) but don't want to follow traffic rules.

So, if you are traffic, and you are not following the rules, how much liablility do you have?

I live and drive in JC. I try very hard to drive safely and courteously. I think ALL traffic should do the same.

Posted on: 2009/8/25 17:16
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Re: Stop Signs on Erie Street - Steven FUlop
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Wait, JAC admits he was going the wrong way and Bogart uses this as a way to attack JC drivers? I was just wondering if JAC, after admitting he could have gotten a ticket, agreed to pay for any damage to the car.

Posted on: 2009/8/25 10:56
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Re: Helicopter flying low?
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You are right, might as well give them a call. But, I would complain about the flights transitting overhead usually to the 30th street heliport. There is a helo route (Newark route) that goes over Newark Airport, along the turnpike extension bridge, to the statue of liberty and up the river. but, if traffic is light, Newark will often clear flights direct to the pad, which brings them right over Jersey City. If the noise bothers you, I would contact the ERHC and ask that they stress to their members to stick to the route. It doesn't add more than a minute or two to the flight.

Posted on: 2009/7/9 12:20
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Re: Helicopter flying low?
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murican wrote:
There were no traffic jams and none reported on TV at that time. Later at 7:30 they said there was a skight delay at the Holland Tunnel because of something happening at teh Lincoln Tunnel.
This was definitely overkill, and I thought they weren't supposed to be hovering over residential areas!
Found this old thread
http://jclist.com/modules/newbb/viewt ... id=182118#forumpost182118


There is no regulation against hovering over a residential area. They have to stay above 300 feet and they are well above that. The thread you mentioned gives the Eastern Region Helicopter Council's fly neighborly program as a place to complain. That organization has no authority. It's a group of local pilots/operators. They try to self police and to a certain extent have been successful, but mostly dealing with the constant overflights of Long Island while taking folks to the Hamptons. The news companies want coverage. They are going to go where they want.

Posted on: 2009/7/9 12:10
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Re: Helicopter flying low?
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They are news helicopters. Could just be a normal day of watching traffic. Could be a big delay or accident at the tunnel.

Posted on: 2009/7/9 11:40
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Live Bait
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Does anyone know where to buy live bait in or near Jersey City?

Posted on: 2009/6/25 13:56
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building across from sovereign bank
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Anyone know what the building going up across from the sovereign bank on Newark near Jersey will be?

Posted on: 2009/3/6 20:09
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