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Re: Sexually assaulted on Kennedy Blvd, 5:30pm
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Well... Maria Elizabeth has not been heard from today... the whole story sounded so phony... blame the Latino, blame the police, blame downtown people. If she was being assaulted on JFK Blvd, at 5:30 rush hour, why didn't she just scream for help, then she follows him back to Journal Square and could not find one cop/car anywhere??? Or go into a store to ask for help? And with the killings/assaults going on in JC, I find it hard to believe that any cop responding to an sexual assault call would get out of his car, one hand holding a D&D Collatta... both hands would be free. I am sure she slept it off and probably doesn't even remember her pwd.




+1 TheBigGuy

Seems I was about 10min behind you in my reading. I read the original post 2x's & like you could not believe that this took place on the Blvd. during 5:30 rush, in broad daylight with people all over the place. I have yet to see one of our officers get out of their car with a DnD Coollatta. All I can say MariaElizabeth is that it is people like you that jade other people so when something really happens no one believes it. You allege you had 2 shopping bags, why didn't you swat the SOB then kick the family jewels? Nah. You follow your assailant? Please, save the drama for your mama & get help.


Why don't you call YOUR Momma and get some help punk!!! Why don't you spend less time on here, like Uncle Sam trying to clean your name off the airwaves and spend more time TRAINING YOUR OFFICERS AND ESPECIALLY THE PEOPLE WHO TAKE THESE CALLS SINCE I TOLD THE SAME THING TO FOUR OF THEM AND THEY STILL GOT IT WRONG. The SERPICO among you IS LONG DEAD HOMEBOY, AND AT BEST YOUR OFFICERS YESTERDAY SEEMED LIKE HIGH SCHOOL DROPOUTS!!



MarieElizabeth, If I were to describe the residents of any neighborhood in JC as Crackheads /Meth Fiends / Gangstas / Pimps etc.... and then ask the good citizens of that community to " ignore what I said if you are not one", I would expect one of them just might be offended and challenge my comment. Last night, when you described downtown as a racist segregationist community, I took offense. That is the only reason I responded back because that post was ridiculous... Good luck pursuing your case, I hope you make lots of money when it goes to trial.


Yet, another absolutely piggish, presumptuous comment coming from you and I will NOT let you get away with it. What in God's name makes you think that I want money from this??? All I want is the guy who did this to have been caught, JCPD mismanaged this and I'm pissed. I don't need money from anyone, I have a perfectly good job and am usually perfectly happy with my life. What kind of dirty, nasty, presumptuous accusation is that? Stand down with the nasty sophism. It's not going to work with someone who is more intelligent than you. Again, I would LOVE for you to come out behind your stupid screen name and say this to me. You would never own your comments in the real world, that's the difference between you and me. And just for the record, I was frustrated last night so let me clarify, I am of the opinion that NOT ALL, BUT A GOOD NUMBER OF POSTERS ON THIS SITE, including you demonstrate, an elitist, "don't care if it's not in my neighborhood", segregationist attitude. You know, when I get more energy, I think I'll dig deep into the postings, and show you exactly what I mean. I have friends who don't go on it anymore or who cancelled their accounts because they got the same vibe. Again, I thank the people, like Getz that have been kind, I really appreciate it. "The Big Guy" you're a punk, and if you were in front of me, you'd think twice about saying something to me. Another thing, my name is MariaElizabeth, don't Anglicize my name or change it.

Posted on: 2013/7/20 0:01
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Re: Sexually assaulted on Kennedy Blvd, 5:30pm
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TheBigGuy wrote:
Well... Maria Elizabeth has not been heard from today... the whole story sounded so phony... blame the Latino, blame the police, blame downtown people. If she was being assaulted on JFK Blvd, at 5:30 rush hour, why didn't she just scream for help, then she follows him back to Journal Square and could not find one cop/car anywhere??? Or go into a store to ask for help? And with the killings/assaults going on in JC, I find it hard to believe that any cop responding to an sexual assault call would get out of his car, one hand holding a D&D Collatta... both hands would be free. I am sure she slept it off and probably doesn't even remember her pwd.


+1 TheBigGuy

Seems I was about 10min behind you in my reading. I read the original post 2x's & like you could not believe that this took place on the Blvd. during 5:30 rush, in broad daylight with people all over the place. I have yet to see one of our officers get out of their car with a DnD Coollatta. All I can say MariaElizabeth is that it is people like you that jade other people so when something really happens no one believes it. You allege you had 2 shopping bags, why didn't you swat the SOB then kick the family jewels? Nah. You follow your assailant? Please, save the drama for your mama & get help.



You know what "HEIGHTSBRAT" whatever your stupid name is, somebody else tried to give me a cross examination and I answered their e-mails point for point above. I suggest you check it out as I CLEARLY STATED THIS HAPPENED ON BOND ST AT THE CORNER OF KENNEDY. YOU'RE A COP AND DON'T EVEN KNOW THE HOOD. IT SEEMS YOU ARE AN OFFICER AND WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN WITH TOTAL INSENSITIVITY TO ME REALLY DEMONSTRATES THE ENTIRE PROBLEM HERE. I'D REALLY LOVE FOR YOU PUNKS TO COME AND SAY IT TO MY FACE. NOW I'M DEFINITELY GOING TO HAVE THEM PULL THOSE CALLS. I DON'T WANT THE "DRAMA" ASSHOLE, BUT I'M SURE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RIGHT PEOPLE GET IN TROUBLE FOR HOW TERRIBLY MISMANAGED THIS WAS. THANKS FOR GIVING ME MORE INCENTIVE NOW. I'M GOING TO DO IT FOR WOMEN, NOT FOR SOME POMPOUS, TESTOSTERONE PUMPED COP WITH THE BRAIN THE SIZE OF A PEA. LIKE I SAID, DON'T TRY THE SOPHISTRY WITH ME, YOU'LL LOSE.

Posted on: 2013/7/19 22:49
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Re: Sexually assaulted on Kennedy Blvd, 5:30pm
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TheBigGuy wrote:
Well... Maria Elizabeth has not been heard from today... the whole story sounded so phony... blame the Latino, blame the police, blame downtown people. If she was being assaulted on JFK Blvd, at 5:30 rush hour, why didn't she just scream for help, then she follows him back to Journal Square and could not find one cop/car anywhere??? Or go into a store to ask for help? And with the killings/assaults going on in JC, I find it hard to believe that any cop responding to an sexual assault call would get out of his car, one hand holding a D&D Collatta... both hands would be free. I am sure she slept it off and probably doesn't even remember her pwd.




+1 TheBigGuy

Seems I was about 10min behind you in my reading. I read the original post 2x's & like you could not believe that this took place on the Blvd. during 5:30 rush, in broad daylight with people all over the place. I have yet to see one of our officers get out of their car with a DnD Coollatta. All I can say MariaElizabeth is that it is people like you that jade other people so when something really happens no one believes it. You allege you had 2 shopping bags, why didn't you swat the SOB then kick the family jewels? Nah. You follow your assailant? Please, save the drama for your mama & get help.


Why don't you call YOUR Momma and get some help punk!!! Why don't you spend less time on here, like Uncle Sam trying to clean your name off the airwaves and spend more time TRAINING YOUR OFFICERS AND ESPECIALLY THE PEOPLE WHO TAKE THESE CALLS SINCE I TOLD THE SAME THING TO FOUR OF THEM AND THEY STILL GOT IT WRONG. The SERPICO among you IS LONG DEAD HOMEBOY, AND AT BEST YOUR OFFICERS YESTERDAY SEEMED LIKE HIGH SCHOOL DROPOUTS!!


Posted on: 2013/7/19 22:31
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Re: Sexually assaulted on Kennedy Blvd, 5:30pm
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TheBigGuy wrote:
Well... Maria Elizabeth has not been heard from today... the whole story sounded so phony... blame the Latino, blame the police, blame downtown people. If she was being assaulted on JFK Blvd, at 5:30 rush hour, why didn't she just scream for help, then she follows him back to Journal Square and could not find one cop/car anywhere??? Or go into a store to ask for help? And with the killings/assaults going on in JC, I find it hard to believe that any cop responding to an sexual assault call would get out of his car, one hand holding a D&D Collatta... both hands would be free. I am sure she slept it off and probably doesn't even remember her pwd.


MARIAELIZABETH: YOU KNOW WHAT "THE BIG GUY". I BET MONEY YOU AREN'T SO BIG AT ALL. YOU WANT TO TELL ME I'M LYING TO MY FACE, SO THAT I CAN SHOW YOU THE POLICE REPORT? YOU ARE A TOTAL, SENSELESS PIG. THERE ARE NO STORES ON BOND AND KENNEDY, IT IS PURELY RESIDENTIAL. MY REACTION TIME OF 1 SECOND LED ME TO CALL 911 AND THEN THE JCPD RIGHT OFF. I DIDN'T SEE ANYONE ELSE AROUND ME. WHY DON'T YOU COME TELL ME TO MY FACE AND ACCUSE ME OF MAKING UP THE STORY? YOU ARE A PIG AND YOU KNOW IT. I THINK MY STORY MAKES YOU FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE. YOU WANT ME TO GIVE YOU THE POLICE REPORT. I'M HAPPY TO MEET YOU OR ANY OTHER PUNK LIKE YOU ANYWHERE, AND SHOW IT TO YOU. YOU ARE A PUNK! DON'T TRY YOUR SOPHISTRY TO DISTRACT PEOPLE'S ATTENTION FROM WHAT HAPPENED. I WON'T LET YOU DO THAT.

Posted on: 2013/7/19 22:23
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Re: Sexually assaulted on Kennedy Blvd, 5:30pm
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?I gave them a description, the first thing I said was that he was NOT black.? ( (I find this an odd thing to say)

MARIAELIZABETH: Why is this an odd thing to say? And why don?t you cut out the sophistry because I can tell right off the bat that your not clever enough to pull that off. I think second to the sexual assault which occurred in broad daylight it is the second most important thing to note in the mismanagement of how these calls were handled. The first thing the dispatcher asked me to do was to describe his race. The first thing I said was that he was ?NOT black? as that it was the one thing I was SURE of. I was UNSURE otherwise as to what race/ethnicity he could be, I said, he could be Hispanic. I?m not entirely sure.

?He turned back three times to wink at me, looking like he really didn't give a damn, while I had 911 on the phone.? ( (does your phone have a camera? Did you scream?)

MARIAELIZABETH; See this is what I mean by you?re not being too bright! Why would I scream when he winked at me? As I said, I called 911 within a second of him forcefully grabbing me and me forcefully pulling myself loose. I yelled that I was calling 911, had them on the phone and they told me to stay put, I wasn?t going to try and run after him to take a photograph of his back. Criminals usually don?t stick around for that, get with the program.

?He tells me that it was a "busy day" (though he was stocked up on the D&D Coollatta)? ( (I also find this an odd thing to say)

MARIAELIZABETH: Enough with the ?odd? milk toast comment. I?m calling it like I see it. It?s my opinion. The way the JCPD handled this call seemed slack. They came 40 minutes after I made this call. I was obviously frustrated and the cop was pompous and smug all the while sipping a cool beverage. There is nothing ?odd? about calling it like it is.

?THEY TELL ME THAT A DT CAUGHT SOMEONE, THEY WANT TO CHECK IF HE FITS THE PROFILE. WHY? BECAUSE HE'S WEARING SHORTS TO THE KNEES, THEY'RE SILVER BASKETBALL SHORTS, HE'S AN AFRICAN AMERICAN KID, AND HE GOES TO ST. PETER'S COLLEGE!!!!!!! ?( (did you go with them? Are you sure it wasn?t the guy? The guy who did it was probably still hanging around Journal Square eyeing up his next victim.)


MARIAELIZABETH: Wow, okay, so you are a little slow. ?Are you sure it wasn?t the guy?? What part about me saying that ?he was not black? do you not compute? For your information, I did get in the car after the cops showed up in order to take a drive around JSQ. It was a moot point by that time, because 40 minutes later, the predator that assaulted me was long gone. He was walking towards the direction of JSQ when he had the impulse to attack me, he was not going to wait around while I called the cops.


?Of course, no response, just the same old racist people on this forum from Downtown who are a bunch of wussies and scared of pissed off homeless people. They ignore a situation that has much more serious weight, because they are deluded and think that they are "safe" in their neighborhood. Ah, segregation is alive and well in Jersey City, unbelievable.? ( I hope you are not making this whole story up for some kind of soap box message or agenda you have.)

MARIAELIZABETH: I have a police report that I am happy to send to you or any of the other punks (?The Big Guy?, ?BeatrixKiddo? (for your sake, I hope you are not a woman), ?Loopy? (what a lame name) and moronicus infinitus, ?Vigilante?). I don?t care enough about this forum to make up a whole big story, especially of this nature, to fit an agenda. Again, the folks mentioned above, are precisely the types of folks that turned me off to having an account on this forum. They were the first to get easily insulted (hey, if the comments I made about segregation in JC and racism don?t apply to you, why get offended huh?)

I?m going to compile the info sent to me by the decent people, concerned residents who replied and write some letters, make some calls. I really appreciate all the positive comments and constructive information. I went online at 11pm last night after I realized I wanted to do something about the way the case was handled and thought I?d post something here.

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Please make sure you reply to this thread that YOU started. Please reply with any of the actions you took from the long list of very helpful replies below. I have family and friends in that area that I now have to worry about. That area is not bad at all during the day it is a well traveled route. Especially at 5:30 on a week day.


MARIAELIZABETH: I?m sorry but talk about stating the obvious. I think the reason that I have even posted about this whole situation should be glaring, aside from the mismanagement of the calls, I posted PRECISELY because it was 5:30pm, in broad daylight on Kennedy Blvd!!! I don?t think it?s my responsibility to say anything else to you about it and you should inform your family. I?ve tried to thank everyone else and after I get out of work today (PS BeatrixBKiddo, those of us that live in this neighborhood do have jobs, it?s a working class neighborhood, I wonder if that comment isn?t also loaded with a some good old fashioned prejudice huh? Now I see why I hit a sore spot) I will compile all this info and make a call to the Chief of Police on Monday. But again, I?ve only entertained these banal questions that you have sent, simply because you were trying to engage in some kind of casuistry, and I?m not taking that from you, or anyone else here.


And here is the contact information for the JJ reporters, let?s get this story out there. I know they read JCList so maybe they will pick up on it.

Reporters: -

Michaelangelo Conte
Police mike.conte@jjournal.com
201-217-2431

Charles Hack
General Assignment charles.hack@jjournal.com
201-217-2423

Terrence McDonald
Jersey City and Hudson County Government & Education terrence.mcdonald@jjournal.com
201-217-2419

Posted on: 2013/7/19 22:14
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Re: Sexually assaulted on Kennedy Blvd, 5:30pm
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Wow, that sounds awful and maddening, three times over-from the assault itself to the incompetence of the 911 staff to the offensive and despicable behavior of the police officer. I hope you got the officer's name and are planning on filing a complaint.

I was looking into resources that might prove fruitful
There's the NJ Coalition Against Sexual Assault http://www.njcasa.org/

In terms of complaints regarding the police and 911 operator responses, there's Steve Fulop's office, the Mayors Action Bureau, the city council members, etc. all of whom have a vested interest in turning JC around, starting with the major police dept transition.

In any case, I'm so sorry that all of that happened.


Thank you very much for taking my posting seriously and for the references. I will write some letters. Thank you.

Posted on: 2013/7/19 4:43
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Re: Sexually assaulted on Kennedy Blvd, 5:30pm
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Of course, no response, just the same old racist people on this forum from Downtown who are a bunch of wussies and scared of pissed off homeless people. They ignore a situation that has much more serious weight, because they are deluded and think that they are "safe" in their neighborhood. Ah, segregation is alive and well in Jersey City, unbelievable.


Lady it's after midnight and all the "same old racist people from downtown" are in bed! Considering MariaElizabeth just joined this forum @ 22:54 tonight you seem to know a lot about the people on here. I suggest you put the glass down and go to bed. You can call your city council person after you have a cup of tea in the morning. Hope this advice helps you sleep. Good Night



And you possess the same type of presumptuous, haughty, and nasty attitude which is the reason I deleted my account from this forum in the first place, because it seemed to be the attitude of most users at the time, and frankly still does. I used to live Downtown, and it used to bog my mind back then as well. I started another account tonight because I felt it's important, especially for women, to be aware of what I experienced. I got bumped on this forum by a topic where people are complaining about a homeless guy? This reveals a lot to me, nevermind the obvious. We already know there are two different JC's and the people downtown could care less unless it affects them in their neighborhood. I moved close to St. Peter's College about a year ago after Sandy. I have never experienced anything like this until now. I'm sorry but the majority of people that use this are like you. BTW, I do not drink, that is very presumptuous on your part. Here let me be presumptuous and imagine that you are FAT, Big Guy. I am mad, and justifiably so.

Posted on: 2013/7/19 4:42
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Re: Sexually assaulted on Kennedy Blvd, 5:30pm
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Of course, no response, just the same old racist people on this forum from Downtown who are a bunch of wussies and scared of pissed off homeless people. They ignore a situation that has much more serious weight, because they are deluded and think that they are "safe" in their neighborhood. Ah, segregation is alive and well in Jersey City, unbelievable.

Posted on: 2013/7/19 4:01
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Re: Sexually assaulted on Kennedy Blvd, 5:30pm
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I would also like to ask why did a DT grab a person off the street who could have NOT BEEN FARTHER FROM THE DESCRIPTION. Does that not directly contradict the first person I spoke to at the precinct who said they couldn't just "grab anyone off the street?" I really need an explanation to this!!!!

Posted on: 2013/7/19 3:43
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Sexually assaulted on Kennedy Blvd, 5:30pm
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Coming home from work, 5:30pm, clear as day, walking South from Journal Sq, two blocks north of St. Peter's College. A stocky male, early 30s, wearing green khaki shorts to the knee, a sleeveless red tshirt/jersey and a black backpack grabbed me by the waist and tried to pull me over to his side of the sidewalk forcefully, he grabbed the waist of my pants. He was NOT trying to rob my purse, as he could have taken it easily since I was walking with two shopping bags in each hand and my purse was easily accessible. I forcefully pulled myself away and yelled at him and told him I was calling the cops. He turned back three times to wink at me, looking like he really didn't give a damn, while I had 911 on the phone. This was close to the corner of Bond and Kennedy. I kept my eye on him from Bond St. all the way until he crossed Sip, and walked towards the Square. I asked 911 to put me through to the police department. I gave them a description, the first thing I said was that he was NOT black. I said he was maybe Hispanic, but really he could be anything as there are many different kinds of people in this neighborhood. The first person they put me through asked for the description, I gave it to her twice, and she asked me to stay put where I was and I did, for about half an hour, during that time, I called them twice again, was frustrated as they kept asking ME WHERE I WAS AFTER THE WHOLE INCIDENT ALREADY HAPPENED, I SAID, YOU NEED TO BE LOOKING FOR THIS PERSON, SHE SAYS, THEY CAN'T GRAB JUST ANYBODY OFF THE STREET, SO I SAID OKAY AND SHE PUT ME THROUGH TO THE WESTSIDE PRECINCT, SO BUT HEAR ME OUT HERE IT GETS BETTER. I call Westside, officer doesn't seem to have a clue, but then tells me someone was dispatched. Please be advised that by this time, I think it's a moot point, but think it's important to file a report, AS IT IS!!! I finally walked home and 40 minutes later, I got a call telling me that the cops were at the location that I had left after 40 minutes. I went outside and OF COURSE, I GOT A COP WITH AN ATTITUDE WHO WAS COMPLETELY NOT BEING UNDERSTANDING AT ALL AS TO HOW I COULD BE FRUSTRATED BY THIS TIME. He tells me that it was a "busy day" (though he was stocked up on the D&D Coollatta) HE'S PULLING ALL THIS POMPOUS CRAP ON ME AND THEN ASKS ME IF I WANT TO GET IN THE CAR, TAKE A RIDE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOMEONE THAT MIGHT FIT THE DESCRIPTION : YOU KNOW WHAT THEY TELL ME?? THEY TELL ME THAT A DT CAUGHT SOMEONE, THEY WANT TO CHECK IF HE FITS THE PROFILE. WHY? BECAUSE HE'S WEARING SHORTS TO THE KNEES, THEY'RE SILVER BASKETBALL SHORTS, HE'S AN AFRICAN AMERICAN KID, AND HE GOES TO ST. PETER'S COLLEGE!!!!!!! ARE YOU SHITTING ME??????? NOW YOU TELL ME, SHOULD I NOT BE PISSED? WHAT KIND OF ABSOLUTE IMBECILES ARE THESE PEOPLE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT???? HOW FAR OFF COULD YOU HAVE GOTTEN. I SPEAK VERY CLEARLY!!! HOW MORONIC ARE THEY???? HOW IS IT THAT I COULD HAVE REPEATED THE SAME THING FIVE DIFFERENT TIMES. HOW FAR OFF COULD THEY HAVE BEEN FOR CHRIST'S SAKES AND OF ALL THE PEOPLE, A KID FROM ST. PETER'S?????? I KNOW THAT FOLKS DOWNTOWN FEEL SAFE AND ALL, AND THAT WE SHOULD EXPECT THIS TYPE OF THING OVER HERE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT LET ME TELL YOU, IF THIS GUY FEELS HE IS AT LIBERTY TO DO THIS TO ME ON THE BLVD IN BROAD DAYLIGHT, THEN DON'T THINK TWICE ABOUT WHAT HE WOULD DO IF HE CAUGHT ANY WOMAN ON A DARK STREET IN DOWNTOWN!!! THIS IS WHY I CALLED THE COPS, BECAUSE TYPES LIKE THESE CAN BE VERY DANGEROUS TO ALL. I AM OUTRAGED AND WANT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE WAY THIS WAS HANDLED ALL AROUND. I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE PEOPLE I SPOKE TO GAVE THIS ANY WEIGHT AT ALL AND THEY ARE VERY MISTAKEN IF THEY THINK I'M JUST GOING TO LET THIS PASS. I HAVE FRIENDS THAT HAVE BEEN RAPED, THIS GUY, I KNOW THE TYPE, HE'S A PREDATOR. IF SOMEONE CAN POINT ME IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION OR GIVE ME ADVICE I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. I'M NOT GOING TO SWEEP THE WAY THIS WAS TREATED UNDER THE RUG.

Posted on: 2013/7/19 3:40
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