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Re: Chicago Church, Father Paul and Jersey City
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Aww thanks esp123! Taking you up on your invitation, while this isn’t exactly church history, the Hubble Law is being renamed Hubble-Lemaître Law to acknowledge Fr Georges Lemaître, the Belgian priest and astronomer who came up with the Big Bang Theory.

https://www.iau.org/news/pressreleases/detail/iau1812/

Posted on: 10/30 20:28
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Re: Chicago Church, Father Paul and Jersey City
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I am male and could have sworn you were a guy. Glad to have cleared that up. You might be old enough to be my mother, so thank you for reminding me to know my place. Of course my parents were overly trusting. It’s precisely this environment that was a recipe for the sexual abuse Cardinal McCarrick committed. Befriend a family, have his way with their kids. He wasn’t even acting in an official church capacity and used his air of authority to let him molest them.

I guess my byzantine scriptural allusions make you roll your eyes, huh? OK, I will spare you from any more. I don’t ascribe to those birther etc. conspiracies myself, but I find your shaming and insults to be putting gas on a fire. My point was simply that if you knew someone personally and just argued civilly based on well grounded arguments, then you make some progress. Instead we get these tiresome heated exchanges and get off topic.

I think i am done with this forum for now. I’ll just go back to lurking on JCList to find new restaurants to try.

Posted on: 10/30 18:11
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Re: Chicago Church, Father Paul and Jersey City
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Trying to dismiss me by calling me strange. Nice. I grant you that my tone describing my faith may seem arrogant to you, but my personal experience is what it is. I happen to think you are arrogant for assuming you are superior because you are somehow more normal.

But as for the gratuitous account I shared... really? No one cares? Is your longing to see the Church change with the times more important than sympathizing with victims? Thankfully I didn’t become one, but I found myself in a vulnerable position at the hands of an emotionally immature priest, and I am not alone.

I’ve come to appreciate the fact that it’s important to be charitable to others as each person is fighting a hard battle (Plato). Several posters ridiculed Mao and Yvonne and even suggest that they should just disappear. That’s dangerous talk in this world we live in. Hell is other people but it can be heaven if you make peace with them.


Posted on: 10/30 13:37
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Re: Chicago Church, Father Paul and Jersey City
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Hmm why so bitter about the Latin Mass, esp? Between this and “woe to clergy” you somehow took offense to, it would seem to me you work in parish ministry. Most quiet Catholics are rather ambivalent about liturgy. FYI I attend vernacular Masses and still find inspiration, but the Latin Mass is like a magnet school for more studious Catholics, so makes for more stimulating churchy conversation if that is one’s preference. So what high horse are you talking about? I still believe what I was taught in CCD and only came to the Latin Mass later in life. I don’t think I am better than anyone else, but I like any Catholic confess that Jesus Christ is Lord and founded the Catholic Church upon St. Peter. That’s all in Vatican II documents.

I am curious what your vision of what the future of the Church should be. If it’s just going to be one with vague platitudes and attempting to forgive something that isn’t considered wrong to begin with, then it will lose its purpose and eventually become irrelevant, just another NGO as Pope Francis said.

Before I completely digress from the topic of this thread, I would admit that I slept overnight in a rectory living room when I was 12 because the priest friend of my family was scared to be alone that night. There was no contact as he was in his own room but I did get concerned looks from the church staff who saw me the next morning. Was driven nack home and it never happened again. So in retrospect I could have been a victim and could have had every reason to abandon my faith but choose to remain.

Posted on: 10/29 23:52
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Re: Chicago Church, Father Paul and Jersey City
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Hopefully you are not trolling me as I was quoting it. In all your study of church history, you must have come across this phrase often attributed to St John Chrysostom, right? Google it if you need to.

Contrary to my use of the word “darken”, this phrase is figurative, but the meaning is to whom much has been given, much is expected.

Quote:

Sutherland wrote:
It takes a great deal of arrogance to assert one knows the composition of the road to hell.
Quote:

edgewordwise wrote:
The road to hell is paved with the skulls of bishops like these.

Posted on: 10/29 14:47
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Re: Chicago Church, Father Paul and Jersey City
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I am amazed how you two can write essays picking semantics which I have to admit chose poorly, yet totally miss the gist of my argument.

Obsession: should have said haunted by or very much interested in a subject

Darken: I meant that literally as a shadow while the sun is shining behind you as you enter a church. No offense intended and nothing gives me more joy than to see sinners repent, myself included.

When I bring up the Last Judgement, I don’t say I am in a better position. In fact the opposite may very well be true. Many can claim ignorance because of lax clergy, but I cannot. So woe to those clergy in the church who hold back on or outright deny the more difficult and unpopular teachings so as not to offend their congregations. The road to hell is paved with the skulls of bishops like these.

Posted on: 10/29 13:10
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Re: Chicago Church, Father Paul and Jersey City
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Yikes, calm down. Most of the posts on here (not just from you) are precisely the textbook definition of ad hominem attacks, and apparently that’s assuming the worst?

I get it. I don’t really know you and neither do you me on this forum. I think everyone here is some level of crazy, but that’s why we live in this city. Variety is the spice of life.

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esp123 wrote:
Think Edgewordwise is projecting, not too mention protesting, too much. It’s nice you want to fight Maos battles, but chill out.

You yourself are being prone to assume the worst of others, accusing them of ad hominem attacks, when what the person (me) is protesting is Mao’s attempt to promote what amounts to the equivalent of “birtherism” and disingenuously trying to portray it as somehow on his part just offering “objective” news. Like claims of Obama not being born in the US, the Shepard story is also often promoted by those with an agenda that is far from kind.This promotion of “fake news” seems a constant pattern with Mao and Yvonne, and needs to be called out for what it is.

media matters.org had this to say of the author and the book that Mao tries to validate and offer as credence for Maos claims of Shepard’s ‘hagiography’ :

https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2013 ... rn-of-matthew-shep/195894

As for my posting at 2am, some weekends I work the night shift, there a problem with that? or you just assuming the worst?




Posted on: 10/27 17:11
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Re: Chicago Church, Father Paul and Jersey City
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Wow, again with assuming the worst of someone’s intentions. Sutherland, for someone who admits not having been to Mass regularly in years, you are still obsessed with this institution enough to remain a spectator. Perhaps that is a good thing and one day you will come around and darken the doors of your parish church once more (if it hasn’t been closed already) and cast your cares upon the Lord.

There was a time when straight people were regularly refused sacraments for canonical reasons and people humbly accepted it. Then the Church seemed to relax its precepts except for gay people, so understandably everyone finds this unjust. But the injustice really is to the straight people who have been given a free pass for offenses they’ve committed. They’ve been denied Catholicism in all its guilty glory. Your average clergyman may be overly lenient, but God is not mocked. Everyone deserves the truth.

Posted on: 10/27 11:20
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Re: Chicago Church, Father Paul and Jersey City
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Ah, esp123. You seem to relish in demonizing people you don’t agree with. Ad hominem upon ad hominem. Considering how you last posted at 2ish in the morning, this is not helping you sleep at night either. The article also said those toxicology reports were not presented to the reporter, so he couldn’t know for sure. Even if they weren’t under the influence, the drug dealing association makes the motives more complex.

Of course we shouldn’t speak ill of the dead, but we shouldn’t be so quick to canonize them either, especially for political ends. At the Last Judgement, every thought, word, deed will be laid bare for all to see. Some people once they hear this find it so horrifying they will do all sorts of mental acrobatics to convince themselves it’s all a fairytale, but for many people of faith it’s a good reason to be a better person and give others the benefit of the doubt.

Posted on: 10/27 9:46
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Re: PATH Trains Increase
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The investment doesn’t look so bad when you consider how a bus carrying much fewer people costs $300K and just 100 auto drivers buying cars at $25K each would cost $2.5M. Each train car carries thousands of people on average each day.

Posted on: 10/12 11:29
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Re: Okay, so who here thinks the Katyn monument needs to go?
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However, when you go to this site last updated in 2015, York Street was one of those combined sewer outfalls when you zoom in on the map:

https://www.jerseywaterworks.org/our-w ... tives/csos-in-new-jersey/

Can anyone confirm whether or not this sewer outlet was decommissioned since then?

Posted on: 10/9 14:48
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Re: Okay, so who here thinks the Katyn monument needs to go?
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Quote:

CatDog wrote:
It's just water runoff, it's not like it's "sewage" in the traditional sense.

I didn't want the statue to disappear into some warehouse, but I don't mind that they're moving it. The Exchange Place plaza is in some desperate need of rework after all.


Alas, JC has a combined sewer system, but interestingly the York Street outlet is not one of those listed in the interactive map linked at the bottom of this page:

http://www.jcmakeitgreen.org/combined-sewer-system/

Posted on: 10/8 14:51
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Re: Okay, so who here thinks the Katyn monument needs to go?
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the proposed York Street location a sewer outlet?

Posted on: 10/5 19:53
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Re: Heights to get a new police station?
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I guess because it’s easier to convert two existing municipal parking lots and move the police station across the street without tearing down a building.

Posted on: 9/24 16:27
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Re: Heights to get a new police station?
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https://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... k_police_station_for.html

New station planned on the parking lot on Central across Renato’s, in exchange for new parking garage between Griffith and Bowers.

Posted on: 9/24 16:10
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Re: Our Lady of Czestochowa Downtown Sex Abuse...
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Indeed. I think I meant disgusting. Did not have my coffee yet.

Posted on: 9/14 8:28
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Re: Our Lady of Czestochowa Downtown Sex Abuse...
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LOL. Having known Mao personally for many years I can tell you he is a happily married lawyer with a wonderful wife and kids who he can drive crazy with his encyclopedic knowledge of church history.

Sutherland, if you are wielding the suspicion that one is a “self-loathing latent homosexual” as an insult, then that makes me doubt how enlightened you are. I always find it hypocritical when supporters of gay rights turn around and think they can bully people by trying to out them.

To return to the original post, why is Fr. Gerry still listed as in-residence in the OLC church bulletin and not one mention of this particular scandal is made? This kind of damage control or lack thereof by ignoring the elephant in the room is discouraging.


Posted on: 9/14 7:04
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Re: Macy's 4th of July fireworks will again be best on Hudson River
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It's a bit further away, but I've viewed the fireworks by the light rail elevator at Congress Street and Paterson Plank Rd in the Heights. Plenty of families in the neighborhood, although it's not the safest with a few cars still passing through. The cops do block the roads around the area.

Posted on: 2011/6/29 15:26
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Re: 24 Hour catholic churches?
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You can also make a home in a cardboard box, but no one forces you to live in a brownstone.

Posted on: 2011/1/22 18:39
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Re: Classical Music
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On the choral end, Schola Cantorum on Hudson usually has concerts every three months at St. Paul Lutheran by Five Corners. Their choral repertoire ranges from old chants to premiers of new works.

If you don't mind religious services, then the Latin Choir at Holy Rosary sings Gregorian chant, Renaissance and Classical choral Masses every Sunday at 10am. This Sunday the 15th they'll be singing Palestrina's Missa Brevis and will be joined by the renowned pianist Vincenzo Scalera, who will accompany his wife Paula, an opera singer in Milan. Many churches in the area also have organ recitals from time to time.

Posted on: 2010/8/10 17:28
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Re: Dollar Buses.question?
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Not the bus, but that early in the morning your friend can take the Light Rail at 4:50am from the 9th St-Congress station to Hoboken Terminal, and either take the 126 bus at 5:10am (the next one is 5:40am) to the Port Authority or the PATH train to 33rd and walk.

Posted on: 2010/7/21 22:00
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Re: JC Bus Map
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Posted on: 2010/6/3 15:25
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