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The only aspect I will agree with your opinion, is that you entitled to it.. Please read past replies on this matter so you don?t make the mistake of making misinformed assumptions on this matter. I have basically outlined all the basic information I could ascertain from this matter, so hopefully you can become more informed and make a better decision in the opinion of this matter? A major point of focus that many keep forgetting is the pure fact that not one of these officers did anything illegal ; therefore, not one officer was fired or should be?.
Posted on: 2010/6/15 17:55
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.. again you are entitled to your opinion on this matter, but unless you are a certified endocrinologist or specialist in the field of hormonal therapy, your opinion lacks merit...
Posted on: 2010/6/15 17:53
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Quoted by Annod :
Did they travel to that pharmacy in Brooklyn to fill their prescriptions? To answer your question to the best of my knowledge and the information I could ascertain is the following : the officers were advised by an initial local HRT doctor who performed blood analysis tests to treat hormonal deficiencies to have their prescriptions filled at a compounding pharmacy called Lowens in New York.. The officers were told that since it is a compounding pharmacy the prescriptions would be delivered in a quick manner. All of the officers I know stated that they used their insurance to fill prescriptions at this pharmacy. Unlike the New York cops who personally visited the pharmacy and purchased steroids or hormones often without a prescription illegally, not one Jersey City officer ever visited this pharmacy or tried to purchase any type of medication without a prescription and usage of insurance. All of the officers can attest that they had no knowledge that this particular pharmacy was conducting illegal sales in different matters. After this mentioned pharmacy was closed for illegally selling steroids, which none of the Jersey City officers ever purchased since each Jersey City officer had a legal prescription to purchase their medications, each officer received treatment from different doctors throughout the state and had their new medications filled at other local pharmacies utilizing the same insurance....
Posted on: 2010/6/15 17:32
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quoted by Binky:
Repeating my previous implicit questions: How many different doctors individually diagnosed this medical condition in the officers? And who are they? To answer your question to the best of my knowledge from the information I could ascertain : two of the officers sought treatment from endocrinologists, while the other officers received treatment from five different HRT ( Hormonal Replacement Therapy) doctors....
Posted on: 2010/6/15 15:54
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Quoted by Crazy_ Chester:
"Are you still trying to convince us that these prescriptions were for legitimate medical reasons?" Ok, it is very clear now that your cognitive ability on this matter and an understanding of it's totality of circumstances is lacking; therefore, I will try to help you by stating the following: There is no need to convince you or anyone else for that matter that these mentioned prescriptions were legitimate for medical reasons. The clear fact and point of focus is that they are indeed legal, legitimate prescriptions for a valid medical diagnosis of testicular or endocrine- based hypogonadism that does affect a certain percentage of men in society... These officers did not violate or break any federal or state mandated laws governing medical prescriptions. Yes, I do agree that police officers or members of any public safety entity are held to a higher responsibility to sustain and ensure the safety of the public, but keep in mind all of these officers mentioned are under the supervision of certified doctors who constantly monitor each individual officer; therefore, negating any chance that these officers would become a liability to perform his or her duties. The City and Department are aware of the certain doctors the mentioned officers are receiving treatment from, and not one of these doctors is under any type of investigation for illegal activities... Finally , one main fact that most keep looking past, is that there are no federal laws, state statutes, mandated Attorney General Guidelines, City or Departmental SOP's that govern and enforce a policy of 'LEGAL' prescribed testosterone treatment. There are only guidelines and laws for ?ILLEGAL? usage of steroids or any type of hormones. The only state in the United States that has passed a state-wide policy concerning ?LEGAL? use of steroids or hormonal treatment is Arizona, which allows its officers to receive legally prescribed testosterone treatment as long as the officers are under the supervision of an accredited doctor and the mentioned patients levels are kept at a certain testosterone level with dosages not exceeding 300 mgs per 14 days... All of the officers mentioned were well under these dosage amounts.. From all the posts on this subject, it seems most are ill- informed of the true aspects and details of this entire matter, so hopefully this helps...
Posted on: 2010/6/15 15:07
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context / quotes extracted from NJ.Com / Jersey Journal:
by : NJFINEST77 "First off, the following facts need to be sustained regarding this case: all the officers had legal prescriptions that were filled through insurance companies; none of the officers committed an illegal offense that is why none were fired; many of the officers have received their medications through local pharmacies not just the one mentioned under investigation, and more importantly all the Jersey City Officers had blood test analysis results to confirm their medical treatment. One of the officers mentioned had taken the departments advice and sought treatment through an endocrinologist, a specialist in the field, who concluded that this officer does need to continue his hormonal medical treatment because he has a valid medical diagnosis ..." by: garbageman2 First I would like to say get the story right the officers were not found to have steroids in their system that's why the law suit came about. Now none of the officers were on modify duty except one. Now since the law suit was thrown out the city wants to place a story in the newspaper giving false information on these good cops to throw dirt on their names. Shows what kind of support these officers get from the city and its top brass ... Another fact that should be included in this entire situation is the following : any persons that are under supervision for hormonal treatment by a certified doctor in this specific field, are monitored and kept at certain hormonal levels in accordance with the patients' dosages. Therefore, the mentioned persons are not a 'liability' or suspect to a fabricated 'roid rage.' If these officers have a valid medical diagnosis , and are receiving the proper treatment than where is the risk to one's health and just as important the safety of others ? Maybe there are some officers taking illegal steroids without a valid medical diagnosis or doctor's supervision , but none of these officers mentioned fit these criteria. It is a clear mistake and violation upon the City and the J.C.P.D. that these mentioned officers' private, medical history has been made public... I hope these officers appeal the decision deemed by the Federal Court and prove that the City and the upper brass / administration of the J.C.P.D. were very wrong and can not hide under this 'qualified immunity' excuse... For anyone of you that have knowledge of the governing laws on the Federal and State level , please keep in mind that 'qualified immunity, is not absolute. This means that officials can abuse their discretion and violate certain persons...
Posted on: 2010/6/10 18:27
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I agree we should as an entire community always strive to make our environment a better place to live, but that is normal thinking from normal citizens... the problem in this city is that not all but a high degree of persons in other areas of the city do not care what becomes of their enviornment.. the fact is that Jersey City is a diverse place to live but diversity does not = seclusion. As economic times continue to strain, the violence in this city will continue to rise and infiltrate to the more affluent communities in the city. So lets commend the city for freezing police officer hirings and having less cops on the street compared to past years . With a decrease in teachers , police officers, and firemen, the community will only continue to suffer.
Posted on: 2010/6/9 18:36
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It is funny to me that all the transplants in the downtown area of Jersey City are all suddenly scared that the 'thugs' from other areas are infiltrating into the area... news flash : that precise downtown area for years was the bowels of the city... you couldn't pay someone to live in that Paulus Hook area it was always a desolated, gang- ridden war zone. Older family friends have expressed to me that in the past this area was a meeting ground for disorderly groups to drink, party, and handle their differences. In the past, it was group rumbles with maybe some weapons, today it is guns and killings... The natives of Jersey City know that all the downtown area is, is make-up put on the surface of the city. What some of you should do, is instead of hopping on the Path to NYC on a hot summer night, you should jump on the light rail and head south and west,. By doing this, you will be able to see how beautiful Jersey City is. Make sure you get off at the Virginia / MLK stop and enjoy the sights. Most of you wouldn't get off the train..Maybe after your nice little tour of the city on a summer night, you will appreciate the J.C.P.D. and all their efforts.. You all dont realize how safe you really are ...
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I am personal friends with the film writer Vito LaBruno, and I can attest that he is a very talanted writer. He writes in a form of realism that illustrates dark comedy in its most pure, urban form. I can remember years ago, when he first started discussing his ideas. We were all very supportive, not only because he was a good friend, but more importantly he was attempting to cultivate the aura and ethos of Jersey City through his writing. Jersey City is a unique mixture of all races, ethnicities and cultures. I am very proud of my friend and his work. I hope we are all supportive that a native of Jersey City is using his talents to exhibit our distinctive city.
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(Martinez praised Police Officers James Cardinali and Mark Hennessy, who made the arrests. "They took four stone cold killers off the streets," Martinez said. )
How about we we give recognition and praise to the two J.C.P.D. Officers who were able to apprehend and arrest all 4 armed actors in the capacity of a vehicle used in the commission of the homicide. I hope we the citizens, residents of Jersey City and most of the commutors who make a living here everyday and escape to their secluded, suburban environment don't ever take for granted how effectively the men and the women of the J.C.P.D. have responded and reacted to these violent situations over the years. As the summer begins violence always begins to escalate on the inner city streets, and it is a proven fact that the J.C.P.D. is always well prepared for the task...
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