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Re: An open letter to the Dog Owners of DTJC (brace yourselves)
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Again JCParent, do so at your discretion, but don't be surprised to receive a ticket when enforcement ramps up.

And as I said earlier, again, this is not an anti dog argument, it's a pro-responsible dog ownership argument, which you fail to grasp.

Residents are fully willing to share the parks - but keep your dogs on leash (as per the LAW), clean up after them and all will be good.

Also as I said earlier, it's not people like me that are ruining it for you. The people who are violating the leash laws are ruining it for you, and it is your responsibility as a responsible dog owner to help improve the situation.

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what a topic!

As a dog owner and a resident near the Morris Canal park my main point is that there is no longer a dog park in Paulus hook. There used to be one but they removed it for the new walkway.

I personally keep my dog on a leash in morris canal park, but I don't have a problem if early/late visitors want to take their dog off leash to let them run for a few minutes. But I do have an issue when the park gets full. If people are lounging or playing with their kids, your dog shouldn't be running around near them off leash.

As a note, Morris Canal park is a state park. Jersey City Police are out of their jurisdiction. If you have an issue there, you need to call the Liberty State Park police.

I agree that calling animal control is petty IF you are seeing this out your window. But if you are in the park, dog owners should be more respectful.

By the same token, dog owners should feel free to call the police on the rampant open container law violations taking place in the same park, no?


JCParentingUnit, that's great feedback and yes, you should definitely call in violators of the open container law.

But to your other point, it's not important if you're ok with the occasional dog off leash; it's against the law. Period. No ambiguity here.

And you're right about it being state property. As I mentioned earlier, the neighborhood council as well as our Ward councilwoman, are working to convert the land to JC property. Either way, the core point still stands: stop letting your dogs off leash and clean up after them.

As to the dog run - there are two dog runs within walking distance of Paulus Hook. I referenced them earlier. If you can't walk 10-15 minutes to a dog park, I really don't have an answer for you on that. But, clearly, the PH residents don't care and will have to be ticketed to get the message.


Speeding is against the law, but no one is saying everyone driving 56 MPH should get a ticket. If you are not harming anyone, then who cares? Should we take pictures of the people smoking joints in the park and post them online as well? What about the people who park their cars near Morris Canal park and don't visit the memorial? Let's be humans and all just be considerate for one another.

The run next to the beer garten is not a run, it's a cage. The run in Van Worst is not 10-15 minutes from PH. PH needs a dog park and it should be at Morris Canal park or up at the corner of Washington and Grand. There is plenty of space in both places.

Posted on: 2013/7/2 19:49
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Re: An open letter to the Dog Owners of DTJC (brace yourselves)
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A suggestion to -- potentially -- solve the problem:

Perhaps, we should start photographing unleashed dogs and their owners and posting those pictures here on the JCList.

Thoughts?


While I wouldn't endorse that, I will say it's a pretty smart idea lol.

Posted on: 2013/7/2 18:42
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Re: An open letter to the Dog Owners of DTJC (brace yourselves)
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I detest dog owners who don't pick up after their pets as not only have I stepped in it, but my dogs have too. Cleaning up poop on a paw is just as annoying! However, I will continue letting my dogs off leash in the Morris Canal, so feel free to call the police who have nothing better to do than patrol my dogs :) .


Rescuelife, just know the violation carries a large penalty with it. Last I was told (by someone who got a ticket), it was over $300. Not sure if that's the case, but why risk it?

Posted on: 2013/7/2 18:42
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Re: An open letter to the Dog Owners of DTJC (brace yourselves)
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what a topic!

As a dog owner and a resident near the Morris Canal park my main point is that there is no longer a dog park in Paulus hook. There used to be one but they removed it for the new walkway.

I personally keep my dog on a leash in morris canal park, but I don't have a problem if early/late visitors want to take their dog off leash to let them run for a few minutes. But I do have an issue when the park gets full. If people are lounging or playing with their kids, your dog shouldn't be running around near them off leash.

As a note, Morris Canal park is a state park. Jersey City Police are out of their jurisdiction. If you have an issue there, you need to call the Liberty State Park police.

I agree that calling animal control is petty IF you are seeing this out your window. But if you are in the park, dog owners should be more respectful.

By the same token, dog owners should feel free to call the police on the rampant open container law violations taking place in the same park, no?


JCParentingUnit, that's great feedback and yes, you should definitely call in violators of the open container law.

But to your other point, it's not important if you're ok with the occasional dog off leash; it's against the law. Period. No ambiguity here.

And you're right about it being state property. As I mentioned earlier, the neighborhood council as well as our Ward councilwoman, are working to convert the land to JC property. Either way, the core point still stands: stop letting your dogs off leash and clean up after them.

As to the dog run - there are two dog runs within walking distance of Paulus Hook. I referenced them earlier. If you can't walk 10-15 minutes to a dog park, I really don't have an answer for you on that. But, clearly, the PH residents don't care and will have to be ticketed to get the message.

Posted on: 2013/7/2 16:59
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Re: An open letter to the Dog Owners of DTJC (brace yourselves)
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And to add -

If you care so much about the Morris Canal portion of Liberty State Park, where were you all during the Post Sandy cleanup or any of the other cleanups Barbara has organized. The park cleanup was organized by the dog owner community.

I?ve never seen a dog owner confront someone who asked them to put their dog back on its leash. Instead, what you frequently see is young families bringing their children to the park in order to play with the dogs that are there. I certainly recognize that not all dogs are friendly but all it takes is simply asking someone to put their dog on the leash. Calling the police or animal control is a petty move, it is not the neighborly thing to do, we all live together in this community pet owners and non-pet owners alike. Instead of posting on a blog that you ?want to take back our parks? think about the fact that your neighbors have been using the park, maybe you should think about ?let?s share our park?. Just like individuals want to get the full enjoyment of the park dog owners want the same for their pets.


And get it straight duds. No one here has ever said to not allow dogs in the park. Never have I said that anywhere in my letter.

Again, this is not an anti dog argument, it's a pro-responsible dog ownership argument, which you fail to grasp.

Residents are fully willing to share the park - but keep your dogs on leash (as per the LAW), clean up after them and all will be good.

Posted on: 2013/7/2 14:23
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Re: An open letter to the Dog Owners of DTJC (brace yourselves)
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And to add -

If you care so much about the Morris Canal portion of Liberty State Park, where were you all during the Post Sandy cleanup or any of the other cleanups Barbara has organized. The park cleanup was organized by the dog owner community.

I?ve never seen a dog owner confront someone who asked them to put their dog back on its leash. Instead, what you frequently see is young families bringing their children to the park in order to play with the dogs that are there. I certainly recognize that not all dogs are friendly but all it takes is simply asking someone to put their dog on the leash. Calling the police or animal control is a petty move, it is not the neighborly thing to do, we all live together in this community pet owners and non-pet owners alike. Instead of posting on a blog that you ?want to take back our parks? think about the fact that your neighbors have been using the park, maybe you should think about ?let?s share our park?. Just like individuals want to get the full enjoyment of the park dog owners want the same for their pets.


duds, your argument is beautiful and romantic, but the fact remains that the law is on our side. You sound very much like a person trying to talk their way out of a traffic ticket.

You: "I know I was speeding, but it's late at night and no one was around"

officer: "I understand, but it's against the law"

You: "Hey, i helped clean up this neighborhood, I should be allowed to do what I want"

officer: "that's not how it works sir, here's your ticket. Have a nice day"

Posted on: 2013/7/2 14:21
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Re: An open letter to the Dog Owners of DTJC (brace yourselves)
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I completely agree. There are so many more important things that police can be doing than worrying about dogs being off-leash in the park.

I am a dog owner and completely 100% agree that you should ALWAYS pick-up after your dog regardless of where you are. I am furious when I see other dog owners not doing the same.

However, give us a break about the parks. Don't ruin it for everyone because of a few rude neighbors.

After all, who cleaned up the Morris Canal park after Hurricane Sandy? Was it Liberty State Park? No. Was it people with children or the groups of underage children drinking/smoking in the park? No.

It was the Paulus Hook Pack and dog owners who care greatly about the community and our parks. Without them, you still wouldn't even be able to enter the park - let alone it being 'sanitary' as you're saying.


duds...YOU of all people should be the one confronting dog owners when you see it happen, rather than standing by idly and complaining about it. It makes me laugh when individuals like you say that WE are ruining it for you. No, sir, the people who are violating the leash laws are ruining it for you, and it is your responsibility as a responsible dog owner to help improve the situation.


Posted on: 2013/7/2 14:19
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Re: An open letter to the Dog Owners of DTJC (brace yourselves)
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Piert1025, I appreciate your feedback and I agree that murders and such are more important from a bigger picture perspective. But there are cops assigned within a precinct, and ours is relatively quiet. It takes one cop to issue a couple of fines, and then the problem will stop. Plus, the city will increase revenue instantly without increasing taxes. They already target Ward E for boots on cars, why not let traffic cops issue leash law violations; it's a win-win!

Like I said, this is being discussed at local lever at ward and neighborhood meetings, and changes will take place I promise you (through increases signage, etc.). This letter is, in a sense, a heads up to dog owners to start paying attention so that they're not blind sided when they're issued a ticket for violating the law.

To address your other point, a volunteer neighborhood watch will do nothing because we won't have any authority to enforce the laws. I, as well as many others, already ask dog owners to obey the law and we're aggressively confronted.

As I said, it's the few that are ruining it for the many.

Posted on: 2013/7/2 14:16
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Re: An open letter to the Dog Owners of DTJC (brace yourselves)
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Totally understood @driverjase. Like I said, here are three things you can do to stop it:

a. JC Animal Control: 201-547-4888 (http://www.cityofjerseycity.com/hhs.aspx?id=1434)

b. JCPD Non emergency dispatcher: 201-547-5477

c. Police Officer Dina Reilly ? 201-547-4370 ? she is very receptive to hear from local residents about this problem.

The more these three resources hear from us, the more they will take action to stop it.

The law is on our side with this. It's up to you (and all of us) to take action. Spread the word to your friends and share this information.

Posted on: 2013/7/2 13:08
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Re: An open letter to the Dog Owners of DTJC (brace yourselves)
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Precisely. I think the proper response in these cases is to calmly say "you can either leash your dog or explain to the police why you have special permission not to" and call JCPD as I said above.

They'll leash that dog reeeeeal quick

Posted on: 2013/7/2 7:40
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Re: An open letter to the Dog Owners of DTJC (brace yourselves)
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Thank you for the feedback. What's funny about your response is how most people I know feel the need to tip toe around people who do these things. You're trying to be considerate to the dog owners, but if you confront them, you're the a**hole for doing so. It's incredible.

Also, like I said, this letter is not intended to cast all dog owners in this light. There are responsible dog owners out there, and quite frankly, feel as though THEY are the ones who should call out the idiots described in my letter.

I can't recall if the Dept of health has ordinances against pets in food services locations, but I will look for it and get back to you. Just remember, the law is on your side with this.

Posted on: 2013/7/2 3:55
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An open letter to the Dog Owners of DTJC (brace yourselves)
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To my Downtown JC neighbors, specifically the dog owners:

I think we can all agree that downtown Jersey City is an oasis on the Hudson. I?ve lived here my whole life, and throughout the last decade or so, DTJC evolved into a location ripe with friendly families, great eateries/bars and quaint parks. Along with this comeuppance, there has also been an explosion of dog ownership in our community, which is great because the community is very accepting and accommodating to dogs and dog owners.

Unfortunately, the rise in dog ownership is having an adverse effect on the quality of life in our local parks and overall community, vies-a-vie a massive disregard for local leash laws, dog curbing laws and an overall sense of entitlement regarding the usage of local parks for dogs. Note, I am not anti-dog; in fact I?ve owned dogs in the past and consider them my favorite pet. No, instead I am pro responsible dog ownership, and I am tired of the blatant disregard for local ordinances and disrespect by the dog owners in this community.

This must, and will, come to an end in time through community action and increased enforcement. But, before getting to those solutions, let?s first define the current situation and problems laid out above:

1. Leash Ordinances: Contrary to many dog owners? objections, Jersey City has leash laws on the books. Specifically:

a. ? 90-16. Use of leash in public places.
No person who owns, keeps or harbors any dog shall suffer or permit it to be upon the public streets or in any of the public places of the city unless such dog is accompanied by a responsible person and is securely confined and controlled by one adequate leash not more than six feet long.

b. ? 90-20. Removal and disposal of animal feces; animals not permitted access nor permitted to urinate or defecate within designated pet-free zone(s) within public parks. (basically says you have to clean up after your dog)
c. In other words, the law is on my side on this one.

2. Dog waste carries diseases: Don?t take it from me, take it directly from the CDC (http://www.cdc.gov/healthypets/animals/dogs.htm). Each time dog waste is left in our parks, there is a serious risk of infecting other people or other dogs with diseases. Whether you know it or not, children AND adults wear sandals, and even walk barefoot in the parks (as they SHOULD be able to). Is it fair that we have to risk stepping in someone?s dog?s waste because they?re too lazy to clean it up?? Not to mention the fact that most of the buildings in these areas (ESPECIALLY Morris Canal park) provide people with free dog poop bags!?

3. DOG PARKS are for your dogs; every other park is NOT: Van Vorst, Hamilton and Lincoln parks all have areas designated for dog owners to let their dogs run around freely off their leashes. However, many DTJC residents have transformed the Morris Canal park into a dog run. This must and will stop. I?ll even make it easy for you to find the dog runs: http://www.bringfido.com/attraction/parks/city/jersey_city_nj_us/

a. Note ? fines for letting your dogs run off leash carries a large fine in the hundreds of dollars. Local residents are starting to resort to calling animal control and JCPD to patrol the parks and issue fines when appropriate. This will be brought up at neighborhood association meetings, so expect this to increase in the future. Consider this an early warning.

4. Confronting dog owners about their dogs ? NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART: This is probably the most frustrating part of this whole situation. If you?ve ever dared approach a dog owner in this area because they failed to clean up after their dog, you?ll know exactly what I am about to say. These people will react as if you just slapped their children in the face. In fact, not only is the idea that you asked them to curb their dog so incredulous, they?ll make you feel incredibly rude for doing so. This is no exaggeration, folks. In fact they can go from insulting to aggressive and confrontational in a split second. Also, this exactly why these few irresponsible dog owners are going to ruin it for everyone. There is no talking to these people, and the only message they?ll understand will come from an officer in a uniform.

Ok, I?ve painfully detailed a problem facing DTJC regarding dogs and dog owners (not obeying leash laws, spreading diseases, not utilizing approved dog runs and becoming confrontational when approached), and have yet to offer solutions. Here are my ideas:

1. Increased enforcement: If you?re as frustrated as I am, the laws are on our side for this one. But, you have to take action. Call the following numbers if you see dogs off leash or dog owners not cleaning up after their dogs:
a. JC Animal Control: 201-547-4888 (http://www.cityofjerseycity.com/hhs.aspx?id=1434)

b. JCPD Non emergency dispatcher: 201-547-5477

c. Police Officer Dina Reilly ? 201-547-4370 ? she is very receptive to hear from local residents about this problem.

2. Join your local neighborhood associations. Take part in your neighborhood meetings to get involved and create additional solutions to the problem. For my neighborhood, it?s the Paulus Hook NA (http://www.paulushook.net/), just Google your neighborhood and get involved!

3. Write to your Ward Councilman and Councilwomen. Let them know this is a problem and that you demand enforcement. The laws are already written; it?s time to start enforcing them. Here?s a link to your city council members: http://www.cityofjerseycity.com/citycouncil.aspx?id=46

Finally, I truly believe Jersey City is one of the greatest cities on the world. I also believe the city should continue to be accommodative and friendly to dog owners, but not at the cost of residents? quality of life. Dog owners have a responsibility to uphold their end of the deal, or face the financial consequences much in the same way traffic violators, etc. do when they skirt the law.

Ok, begin the debate in the comments below.

Posted on: 2013/7/2 3:25
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