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Re: The Village Neighborhood Association - Updates
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The police have been notified for every recent accident on First Street (that I am aware of) because in all cases accident reports were filed for insurance purposes and in some cases, cars had to be towed. One of the drunk drivers even left their crashed car and fled the scene on foot.

And this past Friday night at 3 am there was a loud fight and lots of screaming. My boyfriend said one of our neighbors notified the cops - I was out of town.

Another incident that I recalled since writing my first post - was when we came home an Easter gathering on Sunday at about 10:30 pm. Indio's must have been closing about that time because people were milling about and one man was peeing on our doorstep - and we live several buildings down from the bar!

I appreciate all of your information relating to the shooting and the mugging, however more needs to be done in this out of the way neck of the woods. Indios is starting to attrack a rougher crowd then normal and the safety and cleanliness of our neighborhood is being compromised.


You really should attend the next Captain's meeting and bring up these issues. Capt. McDonough is the person responsible for police response (or lack thereof) and he should hear about this directly from someone affected. You'll get results.

Posted on: 2009/4/20 20:35
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Re: So much for all of you folks who predicted a JC/NYC RE Crash
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There is no one living in the Hamilton Park condos yet. What you and your friends saw were the model units lit up to look occupied.


Are you sure? I saw what looked like people moving in a couple of weeks ago.

Posted on: 2009/4/9 13:55
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Re: Vote drops ed budget in state's hands - JC Board of Ed fails to pass a budget for the 2009-10 ye
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A school budget has to include not only money for direct education of each student, but also funds to create community supports for each student and their parents (day care, afterschool centers, homework help, job and career assistance, health and wellness centers, support of children with learning, physical and emotional disabilities, etc.)

I do not dispute that there is waste and graft in the school system, but if these funds could be properly spent for the students and families who desperately need them, our school district would be vastly improved.


Ok, then how much should JC spend to get a quality school system? $30,000 per student, $40,000, $50,000, $100,000? What's your number? Or is it really not about the amount of money being spent but how it's being spent?

Posted on: 2009/4/8 19:55
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Re: Vote drops ed budget in state's hands - JC Board of Ed fails to pass a budget for the 2009-10 ye
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Paying for Jersey City schools is all of our collective responsibility whether we have children in those schools or not. Fortunately my building has never been on fire, but I still pay for the cost of running Fire Department. It?s paying now for something I might need in the future.

And the same is true for education. Failure to properly educate young people today has consequences for everyone, not just parents. We cannot cordon ourselves off from those the poor and uneducated effectively enough to assure we are secure. It doesn?t work that way no matter how much we wish we could.



I don't think most people would disagree with you that we have to educate our children (and pay for their education). The problem is that $20,000+ per student is an awful lot of money. And I think most of us would say we, the city as a whole, are not getting enough value for that money. In many other municipalities in this state "proper" public education is delivered for much less.

Posted on: 2009/4/8 17:40
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Re: Gentrification?
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Hippo Crates! Ha! I miss that little gem!

They should combine the dog run and the basketball courts but not require the owners to pick up the poop. That way, less basketball at night, less poop on the street.


This is one of the best ideas I've read on this list. Sheer genius!

Posted on: 2009/4/8 17:23
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Re: Vote drops ed budget in state's hands - JC Board of Ed fails to pass a budget for the 2009-10 ye
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To Brewster, G_Elkind and T-Bird, thanks for the thoughtful discussion on this very important issue. I hope this thread is read by all jclisters.

Posted on: 2009/4/7 14:21
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Re: Embankment- Update Thread
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There are many reasons why this demolition should take place.
1) The embankment is no longer in use by any sort of railroad.
2) The sections of the embankment that are left have absolutely no historical value
3) Most certainly the embankment contains harmful toxic byproducts from its years of use as a railroad tressel
4) The embankment is a major safety issue in that it suffers from decay and portions of either stone or masonry have fallen off the tops of the structures.
5) The embankment is a blight on the downtown community, encouraging urban vandalism and graffiti
6) At night, the embankment is poorly lit, or not lit at all, and creates an UNSAFE environment for criminals to mug and rob citizens.
7) Pro embankment liberals have concocted an unfeasable plan to establish an elevated "park" without any financial plans for real viability. Meanwhile existing real parks such as Hamilton park just TWO blocks away desperately need major restoration.
8) Pro embankment persons are against change for the common good and have ulterior motives (like not loosing parking space access behind the embankment)
9) Even if a park could be funded and built, it would require significant investment and would increase already extremely high local property taxes
10) The embankment proposal has huge insurance implications. Unlike a traditional ground park, this is an elevated train tressel and because of the height, the insurance costs to the city would be enormously expensive. Also, very expensive safety measures would have to be incorporated to prevent someone from falling off.
11) The ground area abutting the embankment frequently becomes a dumping area for trash, rubbish, discarded shopping carts, etc.
12) certain portions of the embankment are listed on the internet as cruising grounds for inappropriate activity ranging from drug dealing to sexual misconduct - again presenting a danger to the community.

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1) Irrelevant
2) The JC Historic Preservation Comission disagrees
3) So does most likely all of downtown JC
4) It hasn't decayed much in almost 100 years, and it probably won't in another 100
5) The blight on the area is caused by other factors. There are hundreds of threads on this list about those issues. The embankment is not one of them.
6) It may not be well lit now, but it can be better lit without having to demolishing it. Also, if you look at local crime statistics, they don't support this argument: muggings happen all over and are not concentrated around the embankment
7) Any public park requires money to maintain. There is money in the city budget for parks.
8) The only motive is to preserve the embankment and turn it into a park
9) The park renovation budget would be relatively small part of the city's expenditures
10) There are plenty of elevated public spaces (have you heard of the High Line in New York?)
11) There's plenty of trash in front of some houses in the area as well. Should we demolish those?
12) That's a new one. I'll ask about this at the next Captain's meeting.

Posted on: 2009/4/7 14:18
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Re: Why don't JC restaurants/bars do that well?
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Tommyc - you asked a serious question, and then you made a stupid remark about unattractive women in JC. Maybe the guys (like yourself) are so unattractive that nobody can keep their food down. Did you think of that?


Except in a negative way, men are essentially invisible. They're everywhere but no one notices them unless there's a problem. So I'm pretty sure you're reasoning for why Tommyc doesn't see attractive women in JC is not the case.

Posted on: 2009/4/6 18:50
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Re: Why don't JC restaurants/bars do that well?
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My 2 cents. Hoboken is about 10 years ahead of JC in it's gentrification path. It's now more like the Upper East Side (the way east parts) than JC. What's it going to take for JC to get there: mostly time. The most important elements are falling into place slowly but surely, mainly new housing to attract single professional tenants/owners. As more and more young, single professional women feel it's safe/acceptable to live in JC, the process will feed on itself and accelerate. So the perception of public safety is key. Otherwise, I don't think there's anything that can accelerate the process. Establishments that launch thinking we're already there (or will soon be there) are going to have a hard time.

Posted on: 2009/4/6 18:02
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Re: Vote drops ed budget in state's hands - JC Board of Ed fails to pass a budget for the 2009-10 ye
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T-Bird wrote:

PILOT vs. non-abated properties is not the issue. The issue is the incredibly bloated budget and what we get in return for the money. $629.8 million??? The city's website says there are 28,910 students in the JC public schools. That's $21,785 per student. You could send each kid to prep school for that. Seriously. Do you think the average student in Jersey City public schools is getting the equivalent of a prep school education?


A big +1.

The terrible state of public schools in JC is one of the biggest issues for JC and it's future. Basically, most middle income families with young children (me included) eventually have to figure out what to do about our children's education. The options are: private school, JC public schools or move out to a suburb. The vast majority of us wind up moving out to the burbs. What this means is that middle income families don't take root here. This is huge and in my opinion, most of JC's problems stem from this: the cohort that generally lends stability to a community, that demands competence from their elected officials views this city as a temporary stop on their journey. They don't get involved in bringing about political change because they know they will soon be gone.

And unfortunately, this will not change in the near future because all of the powers that be here, the local government, board of ed, etc. have a vested interest in this sad state of affairs to continue. In our local government, failure equals more money (bigger budgets). It goes something like this: "we can't do a good job educating our children, we need more money", or "we can't fix our streets, we need more money", etc. Competence means lower budgets and therefore doesn't usually happen. The bigger budgets then get used for patronage to all sorts of interest groups to make sure the politicians get re-elected again and again. The only way this corrupt cycle can end is with a broad-based political challenge to the entrenched interests. And this is less likely to happen if the middle income families with school age children, who would otherwise stay in the city for the 12 years of their children's education, keep leaving the city.

Posted on: 2009/4/5 13:23
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Re: Vote drops ed budget in state's hands - JC Board of Ed fails to pass a budget for the 2009-10 ye
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shakatah, are you a property owner ? I'm guessing not or you would never endorse a reval. Property taxes will soar out of sight.


I'm a property owner and I'm pretty sure a reval would lower my property taxes. In addition a reval would be very salutory from a political perspective: once their taxes go up, maybe more residents would start to focus on how their government is spending their money.

Posted on: 2009/4/4 18:12
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Re: 4 Ferris High School students attacked by group of 14 boys & 2 girls -- walking west on Montgome
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sounds like everyone here is in favor of a little something called gentrification...let?s kick all the minorities out of jersey city and replace them with yuppies who live in condos....why is it that minorities cannot create their own wealth, through their own businesses? Every where in this country "improving" a community becomes synonymous with kicking colored people out and replacing them with white upper middle class people.....sad.


Gentrification means replacing the decay and crime in a neighborhood with renovation and safer streets. People of all colors can participate in this process. Your ethnic characterization of the process is malicious.

Posted on: 2009/4/3 14:07
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Re: TIME TO FIGHT BACK - Re: Heights Reservoir Avenue store robbed at gun point at 7:30 p.m
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It's almost comical, the dichotomy between actually interacting with people in this city and then checking out this website and seeing the unbelievably emotional/reactionary/uneducated idiocy that is allowed to run rampant here.

Sigh.....


You sound like my wife. The only thing she gets worked up about is people's attitudes. The rest of it, the garbage on the street, the graffitti, etc. she doesn't even see.

Posted on: 2009/4/2 13:56
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Re: Greenville : Third shooting in five days /19yo man torn up by bullets yesterday afternoon -3 Caught
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JRL wrote:
stani, If Healy and his administration boast that crime is down, violence is down then Team Healy needs to be held accountable for all of these shootings that are involved the settling of scores too. There needs to be a Zero tollerance and get these gangs off the streets. If you want to boast, then back it up.


I think by trying to pin this on Healy, you're actually creating some goodwill for him: no one without an agenda could possibly believe Healy could prevent something like this, so your comments look like a baseless political attack. So the real question is: who do you support, Healy or his opponents?

Posted on: 2009/3/31 20:22
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Re: Greenville : Third shooting in five days /19yo man torn up by bullets yesterday afternoon -3 Caught
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That's an average of one shootout every other day....

With the only aim being to point out the failure of this administration and with no intent to rile up anyone, I must again point out that CRIME IS DOWN; HEALY SAID SO!


It sounds like all of these shootings involved the settling of scores. I don't think the police or the administration can do anything about this type of crime, except catch the perpetrators after the fact. About the only people who can do anything about this are a) judges who can give repeat offenders longer sentences and b) parents who can teach their children to resolve disputes in ways other than shooting each other.l

Posted on: 2009/3/31 14:00
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Re: Greenville: First, gets baby out of way - then teenage father shoots up the street
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Seriously, just because the jackass can't shoot he gets off on a lighter charge?! The law needs to impose a mandatory vasectomy on people who are charged with a violent crime. If you've been in jail this many times, you should have to attain a license to breed in the first place.


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Posted on: 2009/3/27 15:00
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Re: "We'll help you leave" High Tax Hoboken for Jersey City -- Honest, but Rude, Truth on Billboard
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Bernie Madoff mugged lots & lots of people....and did pretty well for himself with his criminal proceeds. Well, I guess he is not YOUNG to be a Yuppie...so he doesn't really count.


Excellent point. It reminds me of the old saying: "fools and their money will soon be separated". And the corollary for muggings is that you're foolish for being in a place/situation where you can be mugged.

Posted on: 2009/3/26 21:00
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Re: Lincoln Park: Jersey City police dog subdues teen car theft suspects
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The fact is, not every minority has something to hide, as you seem to be implying. If they aren't doing anything wrong, than what is the difference if they are black, asian, white etc? You see how YOU are racial profiling? Assuming that every minority has something to hide? If you get pulled over and you aren't breaking the law, black or white, they let you go. You can go on complaining that racial profiling happens, but the fact is, in a city with 75% minorities, there is a 3 in 4 chance you will be pulling a minority over in Newark. Should the cops just not patrol Newark at all? Enough of this PC garbage.


I don't see how my statements implied that minorities have something to hide. Leaving that aside, racial profiling is a legal and political issue that has made it to the courts. Just google "Racial profling in New Jersey" if you want to research this issue. Here's a quote from the ACLU's press release on a racial profiling suit they filed:

NEWARK, N.J. -- The American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey today filed a lawsuit on behalf of Willie Nevius, an African American driver who was improperly stopped and searched on the New Jersey Turnpike.

"I felt humiliated by this experience," said Nevius, a 38-year-old man who currently resides in North Carolina. "I didn't do anything wrong, and there was nothing wrong with my car, so the police stopped me for only one reason: I am a black man."

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Posted on: 2009/3/24 15:42
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Re: Lincoln Park: Jersey City police dog subdues teen car theft suspects
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You honestly do not see that YOU are racially profiling?


According to Wikipedia, Newark is 25% white, 75% non-white. So if you did stops of people driving from Newark to Jersey City, statistically you'd be stopping a high percentage of minorities and that's why it would be racial profiling. What am I missing?

Posted on: 2009/3/24 14:48
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Re: Lincoln Park: Jersey City police dog subdues teen car theft suspects
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I disagree with the checkpoint but how the hell is it racial profiling? Aren't you guilty of what you are trying to accuse icechute of? Only minorities live in that area?

Please explain.


Because Newark is mostly minority. To not do racial profiling, you'd have checkpoints at random entry points to JC.

Posted on: 2009/3/24 14:35
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Re: Lincoln Park: Jersey City police dog subdues teen car theft suspects
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Seriously, how much of the crime here do you think would be averted if there were State Troopers stationed at the Skyway and 1&9 Bridge?

Sort of like our own 'Checkpoint Charlie'.


That's illegal. It's called racial profiling.

Posted on: 2009/3/24 14:09
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Re: Lincoln Park/ West Side: Beaten, robbed, but Jersey City gas station attendant won't ID assailants
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Why dont he want to press charges.


Perhaps he's concerned that in the process of pressing charges, he'll have to provide some identification of himself that he doesn't wish to share, for example, his immigration status. Not a high risk, in my opinion, but if that were the case, I would understand.

Posted on: 2009/3/19 21:16
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Re: Pathmark @ Old Colony...Is it just me?
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Lafayette wrote:
I am not afraid to state what is the obvious.


Here's something else that's obvious:

There would be no need for bollards if less people took the carts and didn't return them.

More obvious statements:

What's convenient for one person (taking the cart) can be inconvenient for many (the bollards).

Posted on: 2009/3/19 17:59
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Re: Pathmark @ Old Colony...Is it just me?
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When people are treated as if they are second class citizens they kind of play that role....

Ok so what is it:

a. treating people as second class citizens makes them act like second class citizens, or

b. acting like second class citizens makes other people treat them like a second class citizens?

I'm sure there's as much consensus on this as the chicken and the egg.

Posted on: 2009/3/19 14:00
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Re: Pathmark @ Old Colony...Is it just me?
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I think the bollards are an insult to the community -- they're effectively telling the Pathmark customers that they and the neighborhood they live in are so bad that they can't be trusted to do something (take the carts into the lot) that is permitted in (I'm guessing) 99% of supermarkets nationwide. This kind of thing is extremely counterproductive to helping people keep a optimistic outlook about life, and I'm kinda surprised a bigger stink hasn't been made about it.



There are a lot of inconsiderate people out there and most people know that. That's why there hasn't been a stink about the bollards.

Posted on: 2009/3/18 18:03
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Re: Grace Church on Erie , are you deaf ?
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Property taxes have gone through the roof. 1/3 of the cities budget is paid for by real estate taxes. What do we get.? We get to experience a wonderful party every Saturday night at 38 Erie street, b/w 2nd and 3rd streets, Jersey City , hosted by our understanding friends at Grace Church.

This so called 'helping the youth' weekend party attracts a huge crowd to go with the extremely loud music. Leaving people like myself feeling unsafe to leave my apartment at times or walk the streets.

Perhaps our tax-exempt inconsiderate neighborhood church needs to take care of its neighbors first and turn down the volume or let the neighborhood churches be responsible for keeping these kids off the streets. ( these kids do not live in the area)

The noise levels including the thumping bass is unacceptable for a residential area - not to mention the many rowdy kids that party away till way past midnight as the music gets louder and louder.

Grace is deaf and doesn't listen.

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I suggest you attend the next Captain's meeting and bring up this issue. It's an excellent forum to bring issues to the attention of people that can do something about them.

Posted on: 2009/3/10 14:07
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Re: Hilltop/Island Area: Beaten unconscious, robbed by five men as he got off a min-bus
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But I was also raised knowing that not everyone was as fortunate as my family was and not everyone had the same opportunity as I did. Some of the most incredible people in this world that have worked to help others and succeeded were NOT politicians, lobbyists, judges, lawyers etc.. To each his own on what part we want to play in our life rolls, and maybe one day a perfect stranger might be the person that will touch your life the most.


You're equating "taking responsibility for someone else's actions" and "helping someone else". They're two totally different things and not doing the former doesn't mean you don't, can't or shouldn't do the latter.

Posted on: 2009/3/8 19:05
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Re: Hilltop/Island Area: Beaten unconscious, robbed by five men as he got off a min-bus
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JM...when you speak with your parents this weekend tell them I said THANK YOU, for their roll in raising a child that is capable of distinguishing the difference between the outrage of the incident and the empathy of wanting to find solutions to fix these problems.

I get what you are saying (and thank you mom and dad_ Pinkowitz too!)


I was raised to take responsibility for my actions. But I'm sure as heck not going to take responsibility for the actions of others, especially perfect strangers.

Posted on: 2009/3/8 16:12
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Re: Hilltop/Island Area: Beaten unconscious, robbed by five men as he got off a min-bus
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jennymayla wrote:

Not me, WE.

Class structure.
NIMBY attitude.
Crappy legal system.
Lack of affordable medical care.
Lack of educational support.
Little or no social services (at least not a system that will lift people out of poverty)
Soaring unemployment.
Ignorance.
Desperation.
Racism (oh yeah, i said it)



I beg to differ, but unless you (and we) are politicians, lobbyists, judges, lawyers, and bureaucrats you had nothing to do with it, except for ignorance, of course, but that's not sufficient. Yes I know, we elect politicians, but what are our alternatives?

I think closer to the truth is: a few bad apples spoil it for everyone. That applies to everything and doesn't make the innocent bystanders complicit.

Posted on: 2009/3/8 16:06
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Re: Hilltop/Island Area: Beaten unconscious, robbed by five men as he got off a min-bus
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But you're right, they are animals. And we helped create them. You, me, and everyone. I'm not saying they don't deserve to be thrown behind bars or worse for what they are doing. I'm just saying that we're all part of the problem.

Bleed that.


Please explain how you helped to create them.

Posted on: 2009/3/7 15:44
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