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It's a disaster because steve has handled this in an incredibly crass, rude and insensitive way. A way that is completely unbecoming of a mayor of a city like JC. Please stop copying and pasting the same nonsense as well. Your comments are equally disgusting in defense of your idol. We get it, he can do no wrong in your eyes. Even I am being respectful in this, despite our personal animosity.

As I have stated before you are the biggest douchbag I have ever encountered. Not only have you been stalking me for 2 years on nj.com replying to every single post I have written within minutes of me posting them. (around 900 replies directed at me) You actually cloned my Sound Machine name and avatar as Spin Machine. You also follow me around the internet and warn people that I am a big time Fulop supporter. No Duh..80% of JC voters are too.

I am so pleased that nj.com changed its comment section so I could just mute you out like you never existed I wish JCLst would use the same software.

You need help it is so creepy how you follow me around because I said bad things about your guys Healy and his clone Matsikoudis and you are somehow going to get back at me. Get over it ?the names Healy and Matsikoudis are forever gone in JC politics. (except for the memory of the 9 shitty years we had to endure them)

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I spoke to Councilman Boggiano yesterday and he said he brought someone over from the Polish Embassy to speak with Fulop and the mayor refused to speak with him. What a disgrace.

It?s interesting how some news sources are reporting this as an ?international issue?. Because of that I was under the impression that the Katyn Memorial was gifted to Jersey City by the Polish government and it would be a slap in the face to move something that was accepted as a gift from another country.

I later found out that the Katyn Memorial was created by a JC resident who had a dream of seeing a Katyn Memorial in JC. He came up with the idea, designed it, accepted donations to have it made, and got the city to find a place for it. That place was on the median strip at 75 Montgomery Street. Somehow it wound up at Exchange Place.

What is the harm of putting it where is was originally intended to go? Some say it would be disrespectful to have it on a median yet the JCPD Fallen Officers Memorial is on the same median down the street near Marin Blvd. Some say how can a yearly observance be conducted in the middle of a busy street. Well rt 1&9 is shut down every year for the ceremony marking the deaths of the two JCPD officers who died at the Lincoln Bridge. Just get a permit and shut down the intersection for a few hours.

PS ? they should really move it to in the Skyway Park (aka Marion Green Way Park) along the Hackensack River over on rt 440/1&9 near Sip Avenue. It would have the General Pulaski Skyway as a great back drop.

HeightsNative wrote:
I'm going to make a suggestion, and I will try to stay as respectful as possible. Almost every single thread on here worth debating tends to diverge into a Yvonne vs. the world discussion. Let's try a month of completely ignoring any and all comments from Yvonne. I say that not out of disrespect to Yvonne (despite usually disagreeing with her views), but moreso out of respect for dialogue and discussion. Some of you (bodhipooh, etc.) raise great points and offer something to the discussion, and should keep it focused on that.

Can we at least try it? I mean literally no responding to or acknowledging Yvonne's responses, no matter how left field or out of order they are.

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The one thing that keeps coming up in the various threads about property taxes is the fact that JC's rate (1.62%) is below state average. That has nothing to do with anything.

In a city, the advantages of density and efficiencies of scale would dictate a lower rate. Provision of services should be easier (think police, fire, trash pickup, etc.) given closer proximity, fuel costs should be lower, purchasing should be more effective since you are doing it in larger volumes, etc. Not saying it always works out that way, given politics, corruption and the like - but from a basic economics standpoint the math is pretty simple.

The state rate that gets tossed around is an average. Not everyone is average, for good reason.

In theory, your post should be correct. In practice/reality, it is completely off. Today's budget is the same (when accounting for inflation and value of dollar) as it was decades ago. This is despite technology advancements that should have made for more efficient processes and government services. Also, in terms of the breakdown of our tax levy, ours is only low because we are paying 1/6 of our local school budget. If we were paying half of our school budget (instead of just 17%) then that levy would triple, bringing our taxes up to just shy of 2.5%.

We don't have a low tax rate because of economy of scales, or efficient local government; we have a low tax rate because we have gotten other people to foot our bill.

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Monroe wrote:
Huuuge win for global peace!

Until documents are signed and armies stand down nothing is done

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user1111 wrote:
Chris Christie really knows how to pick them.. she is so like him.

from NJ.com- While a Democrat who raised money for Hillary Clinton, Turner was appointed to the Port Authority last year by former Gov. Chris Christie, as part of a pair of appointments that included former GOP state Sen. Kevin O'Toole. Turner was the pick of Senate Majority Leader Loretta Weinberg (D-37), who was pushing for more women on the board.

ecinjc wrote:
Ok so it?s clear you have some objections to the study. And I was misinformed in thinking some of edlaw researchers were related to Rutgers. Also if they are funded by JCEA I agree there is probably some bias there. But I looked on your blog and see no disclosure of your name/identity. I think that it would be powerful to disclose this information so we can see what your potential agenda/bias may be. Especially if you are accusing others...

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Yes, you can agree to having your taxes raised to cover the difference.

I will. I strongly believe in paying my fair share of taxes if it helps strengthen the community.

But does anyone have any idea of how to voice my opinion to anyone who can make a difference? Who can I contact? I can't believe that they would be so unwilling to put it to a city vote to raise taxes by more than the 2% to make up the shortfall. Why not at least give us a chance to vote whether we'd be willing to pay for our teachers to stay employed or not?

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I was only trying to make a point about quality of life issues when it comes to comparisons. Those who have a vested interest in JC as landlords or investors most probably could care less about traffic, filth, corruption etc. What about those who choose to raise families in JC? Are they getting a fair return on the taxes or rents they pay?

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stillinjc wrote:
Would you really want to see Lillian Bustle naked? Seems like city attorneys are doing us a favor. ;)

you are a disgusting trash bag and an Idiot. So uncalled for.

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What amazes me is that in a number of these suburban towns homeowners are living pretty nice lives in individual homes and payimg taxes in the same amount in some cases as people in JC who are crammed into condos and living with some horrible quality of life situations. For what?-proximity to NYC? It's outrageous.
Doesn't make sense.

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The mental gymnastics you guys go through to try and make it seem like you aren?t being conned- adorable!

....would those mental gymnastics be similar or worse than what you had to do to vote the Jack O Lantern, Murphy?

Asking for a friend...

He was not my pick for the primaries but you trying to imply someone who worked for literally the most unpopular governor ever as being a better choice....kinda just does the work for me...

Thanks buddy!

Yes. Worked FOR the governor. Isn't THE governor. Many people worked FOR the governor who aren't like the governor. Are you a clone of your boss? It's idiotic thinking like this that will have us crying at the end of this term.

Lol she was his running mate and endorsed by him for the last election...so yeah. You hang around enough trash you start to stink...which is why Trump?s White House is a revolving door and each person entering is more incompetent, corrupt, and unqualified than the last.

::waits for exasperated explanation that the White House doesn?t have a real revolving door::

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The mental gymnastics you guys go through to try and make it seem like you aren?t being conned- adorable!

....would those mental gymnastics be similar or worse than what you had to do to vote the Jack O Lantern, Murphy?

Asking for a friend...

He was not my pick for the primaries but you trying to imply someone who worked for literally the most unpopular governor ever as being a better choice....kinda just does the work for me...

Thanks buddy!

TonyTwoPoops wrote:
The mental gymnastics you guys go through to try and make it seem like you aren?t being conned- adorable!

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https://ny.curbed.com/2018/3/19/171393 ... ent-485-marin-launch-date

I wish this was never built. It's ugly. Will every tenant get free parking? If not, our Hamilton Park streets are doomed.

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Monroe wrote:
Tony, you're unaware that 80% of taxpayers are keeping more of their money? !

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Biggest lie ever. Yeah I noticed some paycheck increase but guess what it is temporary unlike corporate cuts. Combined loca/state tax + property tax deduction is reduced to 10K. I pay 13K on property taxes alone and there goes my state tax deductions. Did the math and will end up paying more than pay check increase at the end of the year. They put into my one pocket some and take out more from the other. Ohh they rigged it nicely for the high earners to reduce their top tax bracket to offset the loss of their deductions.

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It may be a problem for liberal states, but it's not a problem for this liberal mind. I'd rather be known for higher taxes than watching people suffer all over the place with low education, no or poor food, crumbling infrastructure, and kicking the financial obligations down the road.

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But that doesn't fit the narrative spread by Yvonne and others that the city loses money with tax abatements. In this case, the city is getting A LOT more than they would if there was no abatement. Not just in total taxes, but since the city doesn't have to split with PILOT payments with Hudson County and the School Board.

What's the breakdown anyway? Most of the property taxes goes to the school board, right?

My understanding is that when it comes to regular property taxes in JC, the breakdown is about 50% city, 25% school, 25% county. Not sure if those numbers are 100% accurate.

As for abatements, 95% city, 5% county.


As yes, the reality of taxation in JC is SOOOOO different from what most people think, partly based on ignorance, and part on the lies and myths spread by people like Yvonne.

The city would lose a TON of money if the abatements were magically done away with overnight. They would have to raise taxes tremendously to make up the shortfall. At about ~128 MM/year, PILOTs account for about 36% of tax revenue. That means those abated properties are collectively paying ~135 MM/year. To collect the same amount of money (128 MM) the city would need to collect almost 260 MM, and that would be spread across all homeowners. Talk about tax hit. People should be wary of wanting to do away with all abatements.

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Your tax bill went up? Well cry me a river. Life ain't fare. No one cares.

Yes, except the reval is actually the epitome of fairness. They're upset that everything is fair now lol. [/quot

It's fair until values fall. Jeez. How hard is that to grasp?

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This reval firm looks like they fucked up. SF homes are undervalued and condos are overvalued.

They're grossly underestimating the value of land.

I've been saying the land thing is going to explode. You can't have land >60% of value and then have it inconsistently valued. I believe they left it off the spreadsheet deliberately for this reason.

The proposed second reval could be a way to save face if the land value thing turns into a disaster. I still think a second reval a year from now could play out bad for DTJC. Unless, of course, they predetermine the end result. Not a crazy thought given our sordid history in JC.

deox719 wrote:
Simple solution.
Sell your million dollar house Downtown and buy in Greenville.