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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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Untrue. People working here but living outside JC could choose to work elsewhere. Or they could move to JC. They do have choices. They may not like them, but they have them.

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bodhipooh wrote: I dont think the sales tax analogy is an apt one: you can *choose* not to shop in NYC and instead take your money elsewhere. And, that's exactly the point: non JC residents lack that choice when it comes to their money and its "transfer" to the city's coffers.


To the school funding issue we're talking about, non-residents don't have a choice over the redistribution of tax money for schools. Trenton takes into account what it feels is the ability of each town to self fund their own schools, and gives much less back to affluent towns, more to others, and an obscene amount to Abbott districts. I guess someone from, say, Mendham could 'choose' to move to East Orange, but that's not really a choice, is it?

Posted on: 6/4 10:58
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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Brewster, 80,000 people commute to work in JC every day? Care to cite something to show this?? In any case, I'm ok with a payroll tax as long as all workers in JC, not just those who aren't JC residents, are subject to it. Fair is fair.

Posted on: 6/3 23:58
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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Brewster, I'm ok with the tax-but disturbed that JC would find a way to exempt JC residents from the tax.


Why? Something well north of 80k people commute to JC, that's what it was a decade ago, best data I could find. They spend at least 40 hrs a week here, why is it outrageous to suggest they contribute more than maybe buying lunch?

As for school aid, bullshit. You've made clear for years that you want state support to JC ended, not just cut back to SFRA levels. Your stuff is nothing more than classic right wing social darwinism orthodoxy: everyone look out for themselves, and justify failure with your armchair sociology.


Nonsense. I believe that inner cities should get support from more affluent areas. That said, the big beef amongst NJ legislators is that JC gets preferential treatment over other low/middle class districts like Bayonne, or Dover, etc who really are getting screwed. And JC mayors gave out PILOTS like crack dealers giving a free sample, ensuring that tax money goes to the general fund (so the mayors can spend it as they want) instead of the BOE getting some of the cash. It's a scam, and now even other NJ Democrats are fed up.

Posted on: 6/3 23:54
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Re: Will Jersey City and Hoboken ever lose Abbott District Status?
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The state should also phase out aid to all k-6 or k-8 districts, and impose a 10% surcharge on such districts until they merge into full k-12 districts. These micro districts create extra layers of administrative waste and are largely designed to segregate students from broader based populations which would include poorer and minority students.


Please share with us these cities that keep k-6/8 schools to discriminate-I'll bet those same towns get very little state aid to begin with. List a couple of these towns and we can check with this link to see how much state aid they get.

http://www.state.nj.us/education/guide/2015/

Posted on: 6/3 23:33
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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Brewster, I'm ok with the tax-but disturbed that JC would find a way to exempt JC residents from the tax. That's patently unfair. Even Newark doesn't do that. Until JC has skin in the game there isn't any chance of cost containment.

Look how after the reval the DTJC people are now starting to question spending, since they're now finally paying their fair share as an example.

As far as inner city schools, more money isn't the answer. Look at how much Asbury Park spends-over $33K/year/student, and local taxpayers pay under 9% of the costs. And performance is pathetic. It's involved parents (like in Union City) that drive better schools, not total spending, in the inner cities. Uninvolved parents are the curse, not state funding.

Posted on: 6/3 22:10
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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JP, the suburban towns fund their school systems to a great extent (you mentioned the Short Hills Mall-Millburn/Short Hills pays almost 90% of its own school costs). Money that towns like that send to Trenton gets sent for Abbott districts like Newark and JC-which total almost $1.5 billion each year between them.


Posted on: 6/3 22:06
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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When suburban taxpayers pump 1.2 billion dollars into JC schools every three years-which spend 25% more per student than the state average, and have putrid graduation rates (minus McNair), you're damn right other state taxpayers get a say. And they do, finally, through the state legislators who see how unfair it is to their own cities and schools.

Posted on: 6/3 20:56
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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But the Star Ledger says the tax will be a tax on businesses.

"Sweeney's plan — which assumes the start of a new tax on Jersey City businesses expected to bring in $70 million at least in new revenue — inched closer to reality on Thursday when he said he is willing to risk another state government shutdown if lawmakers do not tackle school funding. A budget spat in 2016 led the government to shut down for three days."

Posted on: 6/3 19:16
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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Does this mean that if you're a resident of JC you would be untaxed on the 1%, while JC workers from other towns have to pay it?


Sounds like yes, unless JC decides to tax it's residents too. So...NYC does it, Newark does it, will the world end if we do it too rather than raise the rate 25%? Obviously this is a component of how NYC keeps it's residential property taxes so low.

I'd rather see school cost reformed, but that ain't going to happen, we're talking seriously entrenched interests. And BTW, a lot of those so interested city employees don't even live here, same as you don't.


NYC residents who work in NYC aren't exempt from NYC payroll taxes. And the low taxes in NYC come about from the giant $ generated by Wall Street.

Newark residents and non-residents who work in Newark both pay the 1%.

http://www.tax-rates.org/new_jersey/newark-income-tax

Posted on: 6/3 18:44
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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Is this a 1% tax on JC business employees, or a 1% tax on payroll paid by the companies? The Star Ledger says this

"The plan would allow any New Jersey municipality with a population over 200,000 — only Newark, which already has a payroll tax, and Jersey City apply — to levy the payroll tax. The city would be allowed to exempt wages from Jersey City residents."

Does this mean that if you're a resident of JC you would be untaxed on the 1%, while JC workers from other towns have to pay it?

Posted on: 6/3 16:12
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Re: NJ Now Taxing Residents Without Health Care
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So low and income people who choose not to enroll get screwed, while illegal aliens will continue to use ER's as primary care facilities-running up costs for our low and middle class payers. Effing stupid idiot.

Posted on: 6/1 15:54
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Re: Just say 'no' to 'millionaires' marina on the south side of Liberty State Park
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The only two actions Murphy has taken so far that benefit NJ, and I thank him for denying both stupid proposals.

Posted on: 6/1 13:53
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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New Jersey's effective property tax rate is around 2.26%.

JC's effective rate is around 1.6%.

So yes, even after the reval bumps up some people's property tax rate (and lowers others), JC's property tax rate is lower than most of NJ.



So I guess the people downtown who are going from $14,000 to $40,000 should find comfort that they are paying low taxes?


Yes, and in the knowledge they've saved tens and tens of thousands of dollars by not paying their fair share while the poor homeowners in Greenville, Society Hill, and other areas have been carrying them.

Posted on: 5/31 19:53
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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How is it irrelevant? JC's tax rate is so ridiculously low because of Abbott.

Posted on: 5/30 20:03
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Re: Mayor unblocks critics on social media after ruling on Trump's Twitter
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"Anti-Semites, racists, trolls, fake accounts, former family members, ppl that hate Jersey City - all are welcome now," he wrote. Jeez, nothing like sliming the people who disagree with you by calling them names. I'm surprised he didn't add homophobes to he list.

Posted on: 5/27 22:44
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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By Terrence T. McDonald tmcdonald@jjournal.com
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Bill would allow towns to delay revaluations to curb 'fiscal shock'

Jersey City lawmakers in the state Legislature want to halt implementation of this year's property revaluation until 2019, citing the "fiscal shock" faced by property owners anticipating huge tax hikes.

The bill, (S-2566), would allow municipalities who did not apply reval results to tax bills before April 1 to postpone doing so until Jan. 1, 2019. The delay would allow for towns to provide "revaluation relief abatements" or "mitigate fiscal shock" from steep tax hikes. The bill was introduced last week.

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Well, it sure will be a shock for those Greenville owners who were expecting relief after overpaying for years and years supporting the downtowners.

Posted on: 5/21 13:11
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Posted on: 5/21 12:34
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Re: New Amazon HQ
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WaPo is certainly a far left slanting paper, as far left as the NY Post us to the right. Bezos hates Trump and the paper pushes the antiTrump agenda Bezos champions.

Posted on: 5/19 14:21
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Re: Sports Betting Coming to NJ
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Huh? I'm just writing what Murphy ran on, and what he's proposed. You may be in favor of taxpayer education financial support for illegal aliens, I'm not. You may be in favor for issuing illegal aliens the right to drive in NJ, I'm not. It's bitter and angry to oppose giving people living here breaking our laws our rights and privileges? I'd say that's nuts, stupid, and ignorant.

Posted on: 5/15 21:12
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Re: Sports Betting Coming to NJ
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I think NJ Democrats would rather have Christie III than Murphy I. It's hard to sell multi billion dollar tax increases to your home district constituents, or tuition assistance to illegals,
or illegals getting the right to drive, yadda yadda.

Posted on: 5/15 19:59
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Re: KMART JC (its blue light will soon be dark forever ) …..
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Rickels! I grew up with one of the Rickels kids. NBA pro basketball backboard in the driveway, game room with a pool table, bumper pool table, Ping-Pong, killer juke box.

Posted on: 5/14 19:05
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Re: Sports Betting Coming to NJ
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hopefully, nj will use its windfall to fund its pension liabilities


Doubt it, he'll probably use it for driving lessons so illegal aliens can get drivers licenses and/or cheaper auto insurance or some other stupid 'progressive' ideal.

Posted on: 5/14 16:56
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Re: Sports Betting Coming to NJ
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Thank you Gov Christie!

Posted on: 5/14 11:10
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Re: Okay, so who here thinks the Katyn monument needs to go?
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Epic screwup by Fulop. Why bring a shit storm on yourself?

Posted on: 5/8 10:54
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Re: Okay, so who here thinks the Katyn monument needs to go?
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Yvonne can get unhinged, and Bodipooh is a friend, but leave the statue in place. We need to remember these atrocities.

Posted on: 4/30 20:05
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Re: Kushner in New Jersey unraveling
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Maybe some snags in JC, but Kushner is doing quite well in the rest of NJ. I was at Pier Village in Long Branch on a Monday and the joint was jumping, and the additional luxury construction was rolling along. The Monmouth Mall property has hit some snags but continues to work just as retail, unlike many similar malls. The thousands of apartment units are cruising.

Posted on: 4/28 11:07
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Re: Peace in Korean!
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Korea, typo

Posted on: 4/27 10:20
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Huuuge win for global peace!

Posted on: 4/27 9:30
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Re: JC Public Schools is short $70 million
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That's no solution.

Posted on: 4/26 12:49
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