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Ok, just so we're clear, you are suggesting that someone, not you, should commit a violent assault and battery on the accused. Now, here is another question: imagine you live in a society of your dream where a violent assault is the norm for when people dislike each other views. How comfortable do you think you are going to be living in it?
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dtjcview wrote: No, sorry, doesn't work this way. When you say "X is worse then Y for poor people" there is no way to logically deduce what are the criteria that you use for comparison. And there is no way to know if you talk of the present time or of the recent past - especially since comparing corporate insurances as they became now is not very honest, so I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt. In any case, I simply asked you to clarify what statements you were making. If clarity is not something that you want, so be it.
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caj11 wrote: So, in your opinion a lynching is a proper way to deal with intolerance.
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I am sorry, but that's not at all what I asked about. 1. I asked what does the word "worst" mean, what factors did you compare, - and you answered as if my question was "please repeat the statement that the plans are worse for low-income employees". 2. I asked what exactly are the "corporate" plans that you use for comparison - are they pre-obamacare or post-obamacare. Very simple question - what do you compare? Apples? Oranges? Volkswagen Golfs? You responded as if I asked you to explain why the plans are bad.
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caj11 wrote: Sorry, my bad. So, his idea is on how to fight ignorance and intolerance is to not to imprison the opponent, but to beat him up. Vigilante tolerance! Quote: corybraiterman wrote: And you can explain what part of my post was hyperbolic? Or did you use it thinking that it is a curse word like "bullshit"?
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dtjcview wrote: A couple of things need to be clarified: 1. What do you mean when you say "worse"? Do you compare the coverage? Doctor availability? Price? 2. What do you mean when you say "corporate plans"? Do you mean "the corporate plans as they were before the obamacare", or do you mean "as they are now, with the obamacare restrictions built in them"? Thank you.
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So, basically, your idea to deal with intolerance is to imprison those who don't recognize the rights of others to be different? Why did I ever leave the Soviet Union I wonder.
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While we are on the subject, will you consider making same statements about Hillary (say, about this, or this, or this)? How about Obama sending millions to the politically favored "green" firms that go bankrupt in a hurry afterwards? Would you be interested in the fact that Harry Reid managed to get rich after a life long career in government service? No? Weird.
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score09 wrote: Well, there is a difference. Democrats defend those who holds the Party Line. Like Harry Reid - nobody questions how he became so rich on so modest government salary. Or Charlie Rangel who seemingly can do whatever he wants, like cheat on taxes while at the same time being the chairman of the very committee that writes the tax code. Quote: score09 wrote: Allow me to quote Mr. Reagan: "It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so" First, you think that Congress is "sancrosanct" and closed to foreigners. "Isn't so". Congress is not a Temple of Xenophobia. There is no article in the Constitution that would prohibit Congress to invite a foreign person to speak. And there isn't and there never was any tradition against foreigners talking to Congress. In fact, there is a long history of various foreign politicians talking to the US Congress. Like King of Hawaii Kalakaua, French Ambassador de La Boulaye, Cuban Ambassador Guillermo Belt, Churchill, Mandela, Rabin and it's not even the first time when Netanyahu speeks there. He already did in 1996 and 2011. Second, you believe that the Congress is somehow subservient to the President and is obliged not to "defy" him. It's also "isn't so". Congress is a separate branch of power and it does what it pleases as long it's within the power given to it by the People.
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That's just half of it. Look at all the people here who are now all aflutter with "oh, if Menendez is corrupt, good riddance!" Do you really think this was the first time they learned he may be corrupt? Yeah. Me neither. Him, or Torch, or any other guy, they all knew it from the beginning. And yet they voted for them.
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Pebble wrote: Oh, yes. Every single Secretary of State did that! They all set up their own home server, then they failed to disclose that when Congress asked to review documents. And then, as soon as Congress requested to take a look at that server, naturally, all Secretaries of State immediately wiped down all the contents. Quote: Pebble wrote: Yep. It's a pure coincidence. By the way, what's your theory on why nobody in the IRS is indicted yet? Or do you actually believe that by sheer coincidence hard drives there crashed exactly on the very computers that held data requested by Congress? And by sheer coincidence they crashed in a way that made it impossible to restore the information? Quote: Pebble wrote: No, sorry pal. This is not how it works. If your party members hide documents from the investigation you don't get to strike a pose "hey, why do they keep investigating". if Congress requests documents from State, and State claims that they gave everything, and then we find out that State lied and Hillary actually had a whole private server that she only now "remembered" he had, you don't get to pretend you were wronged. And you claim that this is something "harped on"? Like what? Evil Republicans hypnotized Hillary and made her to wipe out her server?
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Actually there is. If I thought the problem was with the smarts I wouldn't engage you to begin with. I, however, believe the main problem you are less informed. Like, admit it - you never knew that Cruz graduated Harvard magna cum laude and was so good that Dershowitz remembered him. And you never knew that Palin predicted the Ukrainain conflict in the 2008 (not that it was hard to predict).
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JCMan8 Nope. Allow me to explain. First of all you want to change terminology. We talked about "facts" as in "how good our theories are", you want to talk about "facts" as in "this is one data point". Second, there is no such thing as "continue". Ice melts and ice grows, it's a process with different trends, and fluctuations, and on many different scales. There are changes from day to day, there are changes due to seasons, there are changes due to shifts in the underwater seismic activities like underwater volcanos, there are changes like ice ages and so on. Without precise qualifications - what is the scale of the trend that you have in mind, what areas we are talking about, and how do we know what factors affect those changes, those "facts" are entirely meaningless. Without specifying all that you would have to claim that "this was the snowiest season in Boston" means that there is a fact that points toward "Global Cooling". No, there isn't. Quote: JCMan8 Of course not. I am surprised you asked. Do you not know it's the end of winter? It's the end of the long few months with temperatures below feeezing in the Arctics, how can it possibly be the lowest? What you wanted to say "it's reached it's annual maximum, and this maximum is lower than the other ones we have measured". If you want to see the more complex picture of the sea ice in Arctic, you can take a look at graphs here. It should be pretty clear that this "oh, it's the lowest maximum" is just an attempt to cherry-pick one data point. And that just if we look only at Arctic data, and forget that the ice in Antarctic shows entirely different pattern. Cherry-picking data, pointing at only those ones that follow your preset target is not science. It's the opposite of science.
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Quote: CatDog wrote: Nope. Just in case, if you want to know what my entire argument is, the only true way to find out is to actually read my entire argument. Instead of trying to guess by looking at a couple of words in the last sentence. Quote: Pebble wrote: I'm not sure how to say this without sounding condescending, nor do I have time to ponder this, so here it goes: you don't have "facts". This is just that simple. You have "theories", "models". If you want facts, here is one: none of those models was validated by an experiment. In fact, they failed it. If you predict that a boat is going to swim and the boat sinks it means your model of hydrodynamics is bad. You can try claiming it doesn?t matter. You can berate your opponents for not believing in "facts". You can claim that you do some "projects" and that means you are an expert. All that means nothing. All that matters in science is a test. An experiment. Nothing else. Now, as I said before even though global warming models proved to be wrong, there was one nice thing about them. They were testable. They predicted something specific and we could check if that prediction comes true. The "climate change" doesn't predict anything. It can't be tested. It's no longer science. But that's only half of the problem. Another one is that Democrats managed to make this issue political. You shamed the opponents, tried to stomp any dissent and heresy, declared the issue closed and all that. This means you no longer can say "oh, we just trusted the scientists". You own this lysenkoism. P.S. Here is some interesting reading. Well, for someone scientifically minded, anyway. * Theory on the Pause ? climate science has ?exhausted adjustment rationales? * How Temperature Adjustments Have Transformed Arctic Climate History * The BEST adjustments of temperature * One chart suggests there?s a ?pHraud? in omitting Ocean Acidification data in Congressional testimony
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Let me remind you that Palin predicted in 2008 that left unopposed Putin was going to move on Ukraine, while Obama managed to get surprised when it did few years after that. So, Palin may not be the brightest star in the Republican field, but she is experimentally proven to be much brighter than your very brightest.
Also, let me remind you that Palin didn't ride her husband's coattails in her career and in politics. She is a self-made woman, who hit all the glass ceilings and punched though on her own. Again, I am not saying she's the best candidate Republicans got, but she's definitely more accomplished and real than the phony you are going to vote for in 2016. So, you shouldn't be laughing at her. Not really.
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Pebble wrote: Ted Cruz graduated Princton "cum laude". He was so good on Princeton's debate team that they named they annual championship after him? Could you remind me, what was Obama's GPA in Columbia? Ted Cruz graduated Harvard Law "magna cum laude". Prof Dershowitz said "Cruz was of-the-charts brilliant" (just in case, let me remind you that when he says "charts" he doesn't mean some general population, he means Harvard students). He also mentioned that over his 40 years and 10K students, Cruz was one of the brightest. Could you remind me, what was Obama's GPA in Harvard and what did his professors told us about him? There are three reasons you call Cruz "moron": - longstanding Democratic tradition to declare every Republican candidate stupid, - you have no idea how to argue on merit, - racism, plain and simple. Quote: Pebble wrote: Why don't you give us examples? I mean, being a non-moron, very much unlike Cruz, you don't just say things, right? You got them examples. And, of course, you do understand that you need to check WHEN the country adopted the flat tax, - before or after it became poor. Quote: user1111 wrote: Yeah, and I was always an opponent of socialism, but when I lived in the Soviet Union I was free medicine and free education. Do you know why? Because it was verboten to do otherwise. And, just as you do now, there were people who were pointing that out, claiming that it was wrong for me to use socialistic goods while trying to destroy socialism. What you are trying to sell is the same thing. You forced your obamacare upon everyone and now you claim that, hey, whoever uses it - approves! This is the worst kind of dishonest and indecent.
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Pebble wrote: This is fun example indeed. Let me show you how your argument that you consider "neutral", is in fact a 100% liberal party line. First, you use the words "climate change" instead of "warming". The difference is "warming" theory did make predictions. "Change" theory doesn't. Whatever happens, snow or no snow, rain or drought, high temperatures or low, - any event is perfectly ok with the "change" theory. Changing the name from "warming" to "change" was an admission that the climatologists don't have a viable model to predict anything (Imagine someone selling a theory of bouyancy that can't predict if the boat would swim or sink.) Second, you believe that a strength of a scientific argument can be argued purely with an ad hominem on where the funding came from. Third, you mentioned that you worked on the projects that were trying to figure out the speed at which the planet is "degrading", well, where are the results? Have you tested them? There were great many models that predicted a great deal of warming and during the last 18 years those models were tested and proven to be wrong. You simply don't have any tested climate model right now, and yet you argue that only Republicans can doubt that "science".
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No, not really. There is nothing gray about economy of the socialism. It's leads to an economic disaster. The more socialistic society is, the faster it tanks. Quote:
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Pebble wrote: No, sorry pal. First of all, you accuse someone, it's on you to prove it. Second, we were talking about something entirely different. If you don't have any proof of your accusation of racism, you should say so, apologize for the smear and only then we can move on to the new smear of yours. Quote: Pebble wrote: So? Quote: Pebble wrote: You can repeat this accusation however many times, with however strong level of conviction, but without proof it remains a libel. Quote: Pebble wrote: Well, since I don't really care what you consider me, it's neither here nor there in this discussion. Quote: Pebble wrote: I told you already that she didn't even mention Asians. It was all you. And she never equated Asian with foreigner. Again, it was also you. P.S. I can't help to notice that the level of your hate for Yvonne greatly exceeds what I would normally expect from you. I have a theory that you're one of those people who believe that woman's role is to be some sort of a sex-reward for a male hero, so when she's obviously beating you in a debate it just drives you off rails. Am I right?
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Ah, she did play it? I tried to find it on the MSNBC, but the only thing I could find is this video, where Rachel Maddow builds and attacks a strawman, pretending that if Giuliani favorably mentions Putin's decisiveness, it's somehow the same as "Giuliani wants dictatorship". You chose quite a person to demonstrate media's lack of liberal bias. Back to the subject at hand, since among us two you are an MSNBC expert, when Rachel Maddow played that video of Obama calling Bush "unpatriotic", how did she characterize it? Did she use some of the phrases that MSNBC deployed to describe Giuliani's statement? For example, did she call Obama's speech "one of the ugliest smears"? Did she at least call it "inflammatory remarks"? Anyways, I gave you links to an academic research, done with some well-specified metrics, not flimsy hand-waving, and the results are pretty clear. So, there it is.
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Sure. A Measure of Media Bias Media bias is real, finds UCLA political scientist By the way, it's not a study, just "anecdotic evidence", but it's a fresh one, so - have you noticed just recently when the media was blasting Giuliani for questioning Obama's patriotism, how they in the most evenhanded way remembered how Obama called Bush "unpatriotic" few years ago? Yeah. Me neither.
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This is also a lie, same as about Asians. Yvonne didn't say anything about skin color. This is the second time you are trying to manufacture statements that she didn't make. Also, I know quite a few people from Newport, neighbors, coworkers, friends and so on. And every single person I know there, including myself, is or was at some point an immigrant just like what she claims. If you don't know that, it's ok. What is not ok is that being absolutely ignorant of the facts you tried to win an argument by spewing hatred and libel. Quote:
Funny that you mentioned it. The word "xenophobia" that you use so often means fear or hatred not only of foreigners, but more broadly of anything that is strange, different from what you are used to. Like when you instinctively fear and hate me and dismiss my arguments not on the merit (as you say yourself) but because you feel that I am a conservative, that basically is the textbook xenophobia. Interesting, is it not?
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Pebble wrote: I have a question that I am sure you will be able to answer. What with your most perfect understanding of the complexities in economics. Why was East Germany so much more poor than the West? Same people. Same climate. Same history. Similar location. What's up with that?
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Rorschach wrote: One generation of citizens conspires with the public workers that they will pay them half of their compensation, offloading another half of the payment on the next generation of taxpayers. On the people who were too young to vote against this schema, and never made any commitment to it. There are two ways out of a financial "pyramid". Either we will refuse to buy in, or it will run its course and bury the last generation stupid enough to pay. Is that what you are cheering? That we will be that stupid last generation?
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Wishful_Thinking wrote: If you didn?t want to pay for bailouts you should have VOTED for libertarians not for the Democrats. Quote: Pebble wrote: Of course what you wanted to write was ?with more money going to Republicans nowadays -- unlike how it was in the bailout times when they supported Democrats? but then you got distracted and forgot. I don?t think you did it on purpose, that would have been dishonest. Anyways, there is really no connection between the two stories. You can?t justify one dishonest act by pointing to another. I'm surprised this needs to be said. Also, if you want hypocrisy, how about people who rave against bailouts and then staunchly vote for those who enact those bailouts? I always vote for the candidate who?s least likely to support a bailout of any kind. How about you?
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