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Re: Fastest way to Jersey City: Bike riding through the Holland Tunnel
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A clear tube-like tunnel laid on the bottom of the river wouldn't cost that much. You could have two even - one for walkers, one for bicyclists. It's been done on a smaller scale (mostly in Asia) - it would have to be a lot cheaper than tunneling under the river bed. That said - I really don't know the mechanics involved or whether something like this is possible.


Of course it is possible. The question is how much it would cost.

Posted on: 2014/3/6 16:41
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Re: Home Depot - Holland Tunnel vs Route 440 location
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I would also recommend the Best Buy nearby for appliances. Still in the 3.5% tax zone.

Posted on: 2014/3/6 16:26
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Re: Home Depot - Holland Tunnel vs Route 440 location
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Great marketing ploy. "Gee, sorry you lost all those tools, here's a 10% discount coupon! come back inside and we'll hook you up". LOL


The theft is a sad incident but they're not required to offer anything.

Posted on: 2014/3/6 16:25
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Re: NY Post article on Journal Square
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KRE, Kushner says, plans to price its Journal Squared rentals at around $300 less per unit than its downtown Jersey City project, and at around $500 to $600 less per unit than its waterfront rentals. He expects rents will begin at roughly $1,500 a month for studios and go up to $3,500 for three-bedrooms.


Wow... I thought I was doing well getting $1,850 for a three bedroom. There is really that much demand for $3,500 per month three bedroom apartments?


These are projections, when the buildings are completed in a few years don't be surprised if the rents are closer to what is being charged on the waterfront for similar units. The cost of new construction which continues to rise and the marketplace will dictate the final rent levels.


Why would anyone pay waterfront prices to live in JSQ?

Posted on: 2014/3/6 16:18
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Re: Concealed carry coming to NJ?
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If you want to hunt and do it humanely and
it's for food not trophy? Fine. If you want
to defend yourself and family in your home ? Fine.
But no way in hell should anyone but law enforcement
on duty be allowed to carry a weapon as part of
their job. What's next? The asinine stand your ground law ?


What you don't seem to understand is the fact that hardened criminals will carry guns illegally and they don't care about any of NJ's restrictive laws. They don't care about them AT ALL. It's not even a thought for them. They're going to carry guns, period. I think it's about time we allow the law-abiding citizens the same ability, and let them do it legally.

The only cowards are those that feel a need to carry a gun because they might run into some criminal that might also be carrying a gun, illegally.

Who is to ultimately say that the person you presume to be a criminal really isn?t? Maybe that person is also carrying a gun legally.


I would rather be judged by twelve than carried by six, so you can act like a child and call me a coward, but in the end, my constitutional right is being violated, and as with Illinois and California, NJ's carry laws will be found unconstitutional.


Concealed handguns are not an effective form of self-defense. A Nov. 2009 peer-reviewed study published in the American Journal of Public Health by Charles Branas, PhD, et al. found that someone carrying a gun for self-defense was 4.5 times more likely to be shot during an assault than an assault victim without a gun. Attackers often surprise victims, making it difficult to use a concealed handgun.

"Shall-issue" laws lead to increases in the rates of rape, robbery, and violent crime. A 1995 peer-reviewed study published in the Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology by David McDowall, PhD, et al. of five urban cities found that gun homicide rates increased an average of 4.5% following the enactment of "shall-issue" laws. A May 2009 peer-reviewed study by Yale professors Ian Ayres, PhD, and John Donohue, PhD, that appeared in the Econ Journal Watch found that "shall-issue" laws increased aggravated assault between 1977 and 2006. Several researchers have found substantial flaws in the methodology of a landmark 1998 study by John Lott, PhD, and David Mustard, PhD, which claimed that more guns means less crime.

The Second Amendment of the US Constitution allows citizens to bear arms for a well-regulated militia, not for concealed personal carry. The Second Amendment statement "a well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed" does not mention concealed handguns.

The Supreme Court's 5-4 majority decision in District of Columbia v. Heller reasoned that Second Amendment rights have limits and that bans on concealed carry have been legal. Justice Antonin Scalia wrote in the majority opinion: "Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited? [C]ommentators and courts routinely explained that the right was not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose? For example, the majority of the 19th-century courts to consider the question held that prohibitions on carrying concealed weapons were lawful under the Second Amendment or state analogues."

Carrying a concealed handgun increases the chances of a confrontation escalating and turning lethal. The chances of a handgun being used inappropriately increase when normally responsible adults are intoxicated, tired, afraid, or untrained in conflict resolution.

Responsible adults can still be a threat to public safety if they are armed. Between 1996 and 2000, the Violence Policy Center found that concealed handgun permit holders in Texas were arrested for weapon-related offenses at a rate 81% higher than the general Texas population. Between May 2007 and Mar. 24, 2010, at least nine law enforcement officers and 142 private citizens were killed nationally by concealed handgun permit holders (approximately 0.003% of all murders in that time period).


I will admit that I am entirely too lazy tonight to dig up all the stats of crime falling after CCW laws passing and such. But I laugh when you note that the killings by concealed permit holders accounted for 0.003% of the murders during the time period. That is a laughably small number and speaks in favor of shall issue.

Also, I'd like stand your ground as well. No, I'm not joking.

Posted on: 2014/3/6 3:17
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Re: Concealed carry coming to NJ?
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You can consider me a coward but I'll still happily take my gun, thank you very much. The fact that it can kill multiple people in seconds is what makes it so very fantastic. When I see several shady characters approaching me at night I certainly would feel far safer. But I'm sure you're such a strong, valiant man that when you'll be middle aged that you will beat the crap out of several thugs at the same time. Best of luck with that.

As for how someone is alive without this, that is neither here nor there. I have an acquaintance that was an ex-heroin user. The fact that he is alive doesn't in any way negate the fact that heroin addiction often ends with death.

Posted on: 2014/3/6 3:12
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Re: Concealed carry coming to NJ?
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mrasg1 wrote:
If you want to hunt and do it humanely and
it's for food not trophy? Fine. If you want
to defend yourself and family in your home ? Fine.
But no way in hell should anyone but law enforcement
on duty be allowed to carry a weapon as part of
their job. What's next? The asinine stand your ground law ?


What you don't seem to understand is the fact that hardened criminals will carry guns illegally and they don't care about any of NJ's restrictive laws. They don't care about them AT ALL. It's not even a thought for them. They're going to carry guns, period. I think it's about time we allow the law-abiding citizens the same ability, and let them do it legally.

The only cowards are those that feel a need to carry a gun because they might run into some criminal that might also be carrying a gun, illegally.

Who is to ultimately say that the person you presume to be a criminal really isn?t? Maybe that person is also carrying a gun legally.

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In order to get a permit you need to prove no criminal background nor have a background with domestic violence. Before anyone could even think about getting a carry license they have to prove that they're upstanding citizen with an extensive background check.

Now compare that to the thugs and gangbangers walking around carrying heat daily here in JC.

Which group is likely to cause a 'carry' problem for you?

This isn?t accurate. You don?t need to prove anything. A background check is performed. This check merely looks to see if there are public records stating whether you have committed a crime.

If someone beats their spouse and it is never reported, that person can still obtain a firearm.

Personally, I find both groups to be a problem. The person that obtained the gun legally is clearly a coward since they feel the need to be defended by more than just their fists and wits. The criminal is also dangerous since they are unlikely to make the soundest judgments.

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Why not move to a pro gun State and avoid yourself the stress? - Is it that hard to comprehend that some States (via their community) might not want 'everyone' with a gun walking the streets?

Personally I'd like a full psychological test be carried out on anyone that wants a gun - Once they pass, let them get what they want ... At least this would go a long way to weed out nutters - The military do it, as well as law enforcement!

In fairness, I would never advocate that people leave based on the disagreement of certain laws. Laws change, ideas change and tolerance changes.

You are correct about the psychological tests. I would also like to see a yearly renewal placed on a gun license. Who is to say that someone buying a gun at 20 doesn?t go and get hooked on drugs at 22? The fact that gun licenses are obtained for life is an issue.


You seem to think a coward is anyone who doesn't like to fight criminals with their bare hands. Thanks but no thanks, I'd rather not defend myself with my hands, but with a firearm. Why? Because a) I'm sure there are people who spend 3 hours/day at the gym and I don't, b) there are people younger/larger/stronger than me, and c) because a gun gives me an incredible advantage. I also like that my wife can take down a 6'2+ man in 5 seconds with one if necessary. If that makes me a coward then fine, but I'd like to be an armed coward who can defend myself against aggressors. I'd also like my cowardly wife to have the same advantage.

Insofar as moving because of laws, I'm fine with that approach if it is local in nature. For example, if the stupid gun laws were local to say, Jersey City but not Hoboken or vice versa then I'd live in the place with the laws I favor. But asking me to move to Texas when my job is in the Northeast doesn't really work for me or most other people.

Posted on: 2014/3/5 23:28
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Re: N.J. has neo-Nazi problem
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He's knows who you are. You're NONdowntown. Your boyfriend posted her as chickenfliedlice or something racist like that.


Ok, now I'm curious. Describe NONdowntown. Who was he, what did he do, where was he from, what were his core beliefs, where did he live?

Posted on: 2014/3/5 23:18
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Re: N.J. has neo-Nazi problem
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I have no idea who you think I am. The point isn't whether their views on minorities or whatnot are accurate or legitimate. I will readily admit that the most amusing aspect of white supremacist groups is that they preach the superiority of the race but tend to be the absolute worst examples thereof. Any notion that these stupid rednecks are superior to minorities from top schools in top jobs is laughable. All of this is neither here nor there. You proposed a new law that would criminalize membership in a group that espouses racist views. I'm requesting that you explain how that would pass 1st amendment scrutiny. Will you answer or not?

Just curious you did not mention the minorities that are not in top schools or top jobs. You are either for the first amendment or not unless you re-write the constitution. Actually, this is an area where you have to have it both ways. Both ways meaning the right to speak on any issue. Once we stifle ourselves, we become everything we are against. I do not mind foreigners as long as they become legal, assimilate with our culture, and speak with a more intelligible tonuge.


Mostly because I wanted to show a group of people that were clearly superior to the typical neo-nazis, who tend to work crap jobs and finish crap schools, assuming they finish any at all. Not all failures are neo-nazis, but neo-nazis are overwhelmingly failures.

I am for the 1st am., but more importantly, I recognize that it is law and realize that proposals that attempt to ignore this fact will be dead on arrival. Which is why I'm chuckling at the proposal to criminalize membership in any group considered racist.

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Re: N.J. has neo-Nazi problem
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devilsadvocate 'newbie' my ass - this sounds like a knucklehead that had the same view on life and social issues, that was put in their box by a number of JClisters.

These sort of associations are nothing more that an institution for hate crimes to prevail by weak minded, ignorant individuals that will also use religion to cement their warped beliefs and viewpoints.


I have no idea who you think I am. The point isn't whether their views on minorities or whatnot are accurate or legitimate. I will readily admit that the most amusing aspect of white supremacist groups is that they preach the superiority of the race but tend to be the absolute worst examples thereof. Any notion that these stupid rednecks are superior to minorities from top schools in top jobs is laughable. All of this is neither here nor there. You proposed a new law that would criminalize membership in a group that espouses racist views. I'm requesting that you explain how that would pass 1st amendment scrutiny. Will you answer or not?


He's knows who you are. You're NONdowntown. Your boyfriend posted her as chickenfliedlice or something racist like that.


I have no idea who that is, but I take it this indicates that no one is actually going to support their [unsupportable] positions.

Posted on: 2014/3/5 14:38
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Re: Dog attack kills North Jersey teen, injures two others
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Well, anyone that has a child and lives in downtown should run not walk, especially from devilsadvocate. What a fitting name, did your parent name you?


Is there anyone who isn't named by their parents?

In any event, no, I don't take the children of strangers over my own dog. That said, she happens to be very sweet with kids.

Posted on: 2014/3/5 3:51
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Re: Dog attack kills North Jersey teen, injures two others
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With 50,000 lawyers being spit out every year -- landlords better worry about getting sued -- look at the time this guy has on his hands!


Yeah, just got back from a play date with my large dog's pit bull friend. They happily rent in downtown Jersey City and no one cares about your whining or ranting. We happily own in downtown Jersey City. How mad does that make you? None of us has any concern whatsoever.

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Re: Dog attack kills North Jersey teen, injures two others
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I think it is sad that some people on this site, praise their pit bulls or other large animals, but offered no compassion to a human being, age 13, who met a horrible death.


Of course it is tragic. It goes without saying. But 13 year olds die every day from a million far more mundane things. Of course, these deaths are glossed over in favor of sensationalist press that riles people up.

Nevertheless, it shouldn't surprise you that when a death is used to whip anti-dog people into action that our primary concern is our dogs. They are our family members, after all.

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I have two pits and love em.. I have a cat too, who is the shady violent one.


I don't have a pit bull, but have numerous friends with pits. I do have a large dog who I'm sure many in this thread would love to ban as well. Frankly, I'm sick of authoritarian nutcases that believe they have the right to turn urban areas into their personal Disneylands. If you want a gated community then please by all means move to a gated community. That would be a totally reasonable place to tell people about what life choices they should be making.

Anyway, hope to see your pups at the dog park. We also have a cat that is shady and violent that for some reason no one wants to ban. Go figure.


The "authoritarian nutcases" you so hate are already winning through insurance companies. If a landlord allows a vicious dog on the premises, he will have to pay a higher homeowner's insurance premium with several companies. This, not fear of legal liability, leads to de facto bans on vicious dogs, as landlords may opt for the cheaper premium and forbid tenants from owning such a dog.

Good luck fighting against that.


The trend has actually been towards less breed restrictions in insurance, not greater. You're certainly right that if one has a vicious dog with a history of eating children then they will pay more for their home insurance (unless the dog is excluded). However, some do not equate size or breed with viciousness.

But I do agree that pressure on insurance companies is important, and I have been a part of the efforts that have led to a turn-around.


Do you mind showing me anything to support "the trend has actually been towards less restrictions in insurance, not greater."

Because all I find is the opposite:

"These days, companies offering homeowners and renters insurance are pickier than ever about which types of dogs they?ll insure and which they won?t, says Jeff McCarthy, an agent with Harrington Insurance Agency in Woburn, Mass.

The reason: The insurance companies don?t want to deal with a potential lawsuit if someone gets bitten or hurt by your dog while they?re in your home, he says."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/cateyhill ... r-homeowners-and-renters/


For example, in 2012 State Farm removed breed discrimination. There are also several others, such as AAA and Travelers that do not discriminate by breed. The one recent reversal is Farmers, but that is only in California.


Do you have a link for that, Nondowntown?


For which items, and what do you mean "nondowntown?"

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Re: Dog attack kills North Jersey teen, injures two others
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GrovePath wrote:
"Court cases have held landlords liable in the following situations:

...The landlord had knowledge that the animal was a pit bull, and had control of the premises or otherwise had the ability to eliminate the danger by having the animal removed or confined."

http://dogbitelaw.com/landlord-liabil ... ites-by-tenants-dogs.html

As a landlord -- just getting sued is bad enough -- even if you eventually win -- and the law is even more clear about landlord's liability in multi unit buildings!


I notice they didn't provide a citation for that case. If they did you would almost certainly find that it was in a jurisdiction that either banned pit bulls (Denver or Miami, for example), or considered them dangerous by default (Ohio, before that got repealed in 2012).

As I said before, the law doesn't work the way you think it does, and if I were renting out my property I wouldn't hesitate to rent out to a pit bull or other large dog owner. I notice a large number of pit bull rescues in downtown. They don't seem to have much problems finding a place to live.

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Re: Concealed carry coming to NJ?
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Why not move to a pro gun State and avoid yourself the stress? - Is it that hard to comprehend that some States (via their community) might not want 'everyone' with a gun walking the streets?

Personally I'd like a full psychological test be carried out on anyone that wants a gun - Once they pass, let them get what they want ... At least this would go a long way to weed out nutters - The military do it, as well as law enforcement!


To your first question: because my best job opportunities all happen to be in states that are anti-gun. So I'm left with living with it and supporting orgs that fight for gun rights. They're quite effective, in case you haven't noticed.

To your proposal: I will one-up your proposal. I'd like full psychological tests for anyone living in the state. I don't want nutters ANYWHERE in the state. For one, crazies don't care about gun laws. Also, a minimum IQ score. And at least 1 grad degree from a sufficiently rigorous program.

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Re: N.J. has neo-Nazi problem
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fat-ass-bike wrote:
devilsadvocate 'newbie' my ass - this sounds like a knucklehead that had the same view on life and social issues, that was put in their box by a number of JClisters.

These sort of associations are nothing more that an institution for hate crimes to prevail by weak minded, ignorant individuals that will also use religion to cement their warped beliefs and viewpoints.


I have no idea who you think I am. The point isn't whether their views on minorities or whatnot are accurate or legitimate. I will readily admit that the most amusing aspect of white supremacist groups is that they preach the superiority of the race but tend to be the absolute worst examples thereof. Any notion that these stupid rednecks are superior to minorities from top schools in top jobs is laughable. All of this is neither here nor there. You proposed a new law that would criminalize membership in a group that espouses racist views. I'm requesting that you explain how that would pass 1st amendment scrutiny. Will you answer or not?

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Re: N.J. has neo-Nazi problem
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Any organisation that advocates or facilitates any form of racial discrimination should be a crime with serious penalties.
Legislation should be in NJ to weed these sorts of group out of the State.


I don't understand, do schools not teach why this would be inherently unconstitutional these days or what?


I'm sure your comprehension skills are great.


They're fantastic. Go ahead and explain how your proposal passes 1st amendment scrutiny. I will enjoy a good laugh.

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user1111 wrote:
I have two pits and love em.. I have a cat too, who is the shady violent one.


I don't have a pit bull, but have numerous friends with pits. I do have a large dog who I'm sure many in this thread would love to ban as well. Frankly, I'm sick of authoritarian nutcases that believe they have the right to turn urban areas into their personal Disneylands. If you want a gated community then please by all means move to a gated community. That would be a totally reasonable place to tell people about what life choices they should be making.

Anyway, hope to see your pups at the dog park. We also have a cat that is shady and violent that for some reason no one wants to ban. Go figure.


The "authoritarian nutcases" you so hate are already winning through insurance companies. If a landlord allows a vicious dog on the premises, he will have to pay a higher homeowner's insurance premium with several companies. This, not fear of legal liability, leads to de facto bans on vicious dogs, as landlords may opt for the cheaper premium and forbid tenants from owning such a dog.

Good luck fighting against that.


The trend has actually been towards less breed restrictions in insurance, not greater. You're certainly right that if one has a vicious dog with a history of eating children then they will pay more for their home insurance (unless the dog is excluded). However, some do not equate size or breed with viciousness.

But I do agree that pressure on insurance companies is important, and I have been a part of the efforts that have led to a turn-around.


Do you mind showing me anything to support "the trend has actually been towards less restrictions in insurance, not greater."

Because all I find is the opposite:

"These days, companies offering homeowners and renters insurance are pickier than ever about which types of dogs they?ll insure and which they won?t, says Jeff McCarthy, an agent with Harrington Insurance Agency in Woburn, Mass.

The reason: The insurance companies don?t want to deal with a potential lawsuit if someone gets bitten or hurt by your dog while they?re in your home, he says."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/cateyhill ... r-homeowners-and-renters/


For example, in 2012 State Farm removed breed discrimination. There are also several others, such as AAA and Travelers that do not discriminate by breed. The one recent reversal is Farmers, but that is only in California.

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devilsadvocate wrote:
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user1111 wrote:
I have two pits and love em.. I have a cat too, who is the shady violent one.


I don't have a pit bull, but have numerous friends with pits. I do have a large dog who I'm sure many in this thread would love to ban as well. Frankly, I'm sick of authoritarian nutcases that believe they have the right to turn urban areas into their personal Disneylands. If you want a gated community then please by all means move to a gated community. That would be a totally reasonable place to tell people about what life choices they should be making.

Anyway, hope to see your pups at the dog park. We also have a cat that is shady and violent that for some reason no one wants to ban. Go figure.


Welcome to an urban society with laws to govern EVERYONE'S viewpoint - I hear there are a few islands in the pacific up for sale where one can run naked and free with no social, morale or legal restrictions!


Clearly I'm proposing that JC become a lawless nudist colony. That said, morons that believe that they will be successful in banning large dogs or pit bulls or getting everyone to comply with their silly wants and desires will just continue to be extremely frustrated. Which is fine, but they're annoying and I just think everyone would be happier if they found a nice gated community where they would be perfectly safe and there would be zero undesirable dogs or people around. Also, I would have to donate less of my time and money to lobbying orgs that fight their obnoxious efforts.


There are a lot of 'morons' out there that might consider your viewpoint as moronic also - Welcome to democracy, freedom of speech and issues relating to social behavior.


I find it amusing that you cite freedom of speech when you just suggested making any group with racist views illegal in another thread. No matter. My point is that these people are objectively dolts, likely uneducated and unaccomplished. They will fail. But for them to fail other people, like me, will need to waste their time and money. It would be better for everyone if they acted more intelligently, such as moving to a location better suited for their desires.

By the way, the reason their views are moronic and mine are not is because I actually know what I'm talking about and these people use "logic" that has massive flaws.

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Re: N.J. has neo-Nazi problem
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fat-ass-bike wrote:
Any organisation that advocates or facilitates any form of racial discrimination should be a crime with serious penalties.
Legislation should be in NJ to weed these sorts of group out of the State.


I don't understand, do schools not teach why this would be inherently unconstitutional these days or what?

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user1111 wrote:
I have two pits and love em.. I have a cat too, who is the shady violent one.


I don't have a pit bull, but have numerous friends with pits. I do have a large dog who I'm sure many in this thread would love to ban as well. Frankly, I'm sick of authoritarian nutcases that believe they have the right to turn urban areas into their personal Disneylands. If you want a gated community then please by all means move to a gated community. That would be a totally reasonable place to tell people about what life choices they should be making.

Anyway, hope to see your pups at the dog park. We also have a cat that is shady and violent that for some reason no one wants to ban. Go figure.


The "authoritarian nutcases" you so hate are already winning through insurance companies. If a landlord allows a vicious dog on the premises, he will have to pay a higher homeowner's insurance premium with several companies. This, not fear of legal liability, leads to de facto bans on vicious dogs, as landlords may opt for the cheaper premium and forbid tenants from owning such a dog.

Good luck fighting against that.


The trend has actually been towards less breed restrictions in insurance, not greater. You're certainly right that if one has a vicious dog with a history of eating children then they will pay more for their home insurance (unless the dog is excluded). However, some do not equate size or breed with viciousness.

But I do agree that pressure on insurance companies is important, and I have been a part of the efforts that have led to a turn-around.

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I have two pits and love em.. I have a cat too, who is the shady violent one.


I don't have a pit bull, but have numerous friends with pits. I do have a large dog who I'm sure many in this thread would love to ban as well. Frankly, I'm sick of authoritarian nutcases that believe they have the right to turn urban areas into their personal Disneylands. If you want a gated community then please by all means move to a gated community. That would be a totally reasonable place to tell people about what life choices they should be making.

Anyway, hope to see your pups at the dog park. We also have a cat that is shady and violent that for some reason no one wants to ban. Go figure.


Welcome to an urban society with laws to govern EVERYONE'S viewpoint - I hear there are a few islands in the pacific up for sale where one can run naked and free with no social, morale or legal restrictions!


Clearly I'm proposing that JC become a lawless nudist colony. That said, morons that believe that they will be successful in banning large dogs or pit bulls or getting everyone to comply with their silly wants and desires will just continue to be extremely frustrated. Which is fine, but they're annoying and I just think everyone would be happier if they found a nice gated community where they would be perfectly safe and there would be zero undesirable dogs or people around. Also, I would have to donate less of my time and money to lobbying orgs that fight their obnoxious efforts.

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Such causes as opposition to Agenda 21 ? a non-binding action plan of the United Nations ? and support for laws that nullify potential federal laws, such as bans of Sharia law, which was passed in Oklahoma in 2010, and the Arizona proposal allowing business owners to discriminate against gays are some of the topics radical-right groups have lobbied for.



This article would have been significantly stronger if it excluded the paragraph quoted above and instead focused on violent acts. Plenty of individuals that do not belong to hate groups support those positions.

I also note that their top states for neo-nazi issues also happen to be the largest states and that they fail to denote states without a hate group problem. Overall, not a great article.

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Educational flyers are not the answer -- unless the flyers are aimed at telling landlords about the liability issues -- there needs to be bans on certain breeds -- and LHS should not be pushing the adoption of Pitbulls.


I donate money to LHS exactly so they can push the adoption of pit bulls. I prefer them adopted out to being killed. But please tell me more about the liability of landlords. I look forward to a good laugh.

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Thanks for this. Reminds me to make a donation to the NRA.

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I have two pits and love em.. I have a cat too, who is the shady violent one.


I don't have a pit bull, but have numerous friends with pits. I do have a large dog who I'm sure many in this thread would love to ban as well. Frankly, I'm sick of authoritarian nutcases that believe they have the right to turn urban areas into their personal Disneylands. If you want a gated community then please by all means move to a gated community. That would be a totally reasonable place to tell people about what life choices they should be making.

Anyway, hope to see your pups at the dog park. We also have a cat that is shady and violent that for some reason no one wants to ban. Go figure.

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Bullmastiffs don't make the top 8. Though to be honest, I'd rather face a pit bull than a bullmastiff.


Interesting list. I wouldn't expect a husky dog to be so high up with no bullmastiff but I guess they are more dangerous than I thought.

I took another look at my lease and it prohibits even bringing (let alone owning) the following dogs onto the premises: "any dogs considered vicious, including pitbulls, rottweillers, doberman pinschers, bull mastiffs, german shepherds, and any cross breed dog containing one or more of the above breeds." So not 8 like I thought but appears to capture most of that list.


The list is not particularly useful mostly because a huge number of dogs can be made into deadly killers. In fact, any large, reasonably obedient dog will work. The primary factors here are 1) popularity, and 2) what breed is popular in particular with dangerous people. In other words, you see yuppies and hipsters rescuing pit bulls and these dogs are never the problem. But if you see some gangbanger with a pit bull, then that dog is far more likely to be an issue because this is a group that seeks to promote certain aggressive traits in dogs. But that person would be a problem with a black lab or a bull mastiff or an english mastiff. They just happen to select a pit bull because of their pre-existing image, so it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Incidentally, several locations that bothered to ban certain breeds ended up reversing those bans years later because they didn't work. The criminals just turned to other breeds.

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I can't believe that any landlord is dumb enough to open themselves up for these lawsuits -- just imagine when their insurance companies find out!


Are you a lawyer? I happen to be, by the way. What lawsuits do you imagine they are opening themselves up to simply by renting to owners with certain breeds?

By the way, I'm a homeowner in downtown JC. If I were to rent out my row house, I would absolutely welcome people with dogs of any breed without any hesitation. Yes, that includes bull mastiffs, pit bulls and any other dogs you hate.

Some of the comments here resemble racist commentary you find on various internet forums. If we just ban "those sorts" we will be safe. We'll ban large dogs, dangerous breeds, guns and anything that we're frightened of. Good luck with that. You guys will fail miserably, and I will do absolutely everything in my power to make sure of it.

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