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VanVorster wrote:
How is constructively white (i.e. passing) offensive or remotely equivalent to saying Zimmerman is being lynched? You never heard of the term "passing" or saw actual lynching photos in the US?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passing_(racial_identity)

Sounds like you both need better education on the history of this country. http://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/i ... erty_law_center_says.html

Adhere to No 5. in the Rules (be polite, on topic and CONSTRUCTIVE with the content of your posts).

I think he was being unnecessarily inflammatory by using the term "lynched" but I get his point. The result many Zimmerman haters want is the same as the old-school lynchers: Zimmerman's death.

I don't understand your use of "constructively white" at all. It seems like a ridiculous term. What is your point, that because he was "constructively white" this means what he did is somehow worse? You weren't very familiar with the facts as discussed at trial and there was substantial evidence to suggest Martin jumped Zimmerman. Sorry, he had no right to do that.

I also agree with the sentiment that had Zimmerman been black, you and many others wouldn't give two shits about Treyvon or this case.

VanVorster wrote:
lynching them? and the troll award goes to you.

heights wrote:
Because we have grown too sensitive to other's needs before our own. We have become too politically correct to understand the difference between caution and trust. Reaching out and giving to a point of neglecting ourselves is like shooting yourself in the foot. Look at the U.S. giving billions to the Ukraine but letting Detroit melt away financially. It just doesn't make any sense.

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dtjcview wrote:
Nothing wrong with a dog barking to alert their owner that a homeless person is trespassing. I had a similar run-in with a homeless guy sleeping in front of my house. I politely directed him to St Lucy's - never saw him again. My dog didn't bark, nor act aggressive - it didn't need to, nor would I have let it. Most homeless/panhandlers/nutcases/drunks just seem to avoid dogs like the plague. And people tend to act more civil and keep their hostility in check when a pooch is watching. Not the greatest of reasons to adopt one as a pet, but it's a bonus.

Nothing wrong with that scenario. It's your property. It's your dog. On the hand his post about bringing an angry, lunging, barking dog to someone's house to confront someone sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen. It also brings up images of this:

Br6dR wrote:
They have a service for people like you. A free ride to jail in the back seat of a police car.

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vitriolbegone wrote:
Speaking of small places to live...

s/ Seeking advice from Trolls and Smug Armchair Experts! /s


Here's my awkward homeless question of the year:

What am I suppost to do to keep the same guy from sleeping, smoking in our building's vestibule every other night?

Background: It's a 4 unit building. We'd rather not lock the exterior door if we can avoid it since we'd have to move the doorbells.

The same guy quietly sneeks into the front door late at night (I still hear him), lays below sight of the windows and sleeps.

Not such a big deal (no harm, no foul), but...

[Trolls and hyperbolic homeless advocates, are you ready? ]

Some residents are afraid of him. Oh, and ..
HE SMELLS THE DAMN PLACE UP WITH HIS SMOKE / BODY. TALKING VOMIT INDUCING ODOR HERE.

His visits require a serious on-your-knees cleaning before I go to work: Cigarette ash removal, scrubbing / bleaching of the tiles to remove the foul odor, etc.

When calmly approached about the problem, he becomes belligerent: Today I was called a racist (yay!).


I don't want to call the police. What eles can we do?



Please, no useful advice sought! The answers I want should include some or all of the following:

? Shaming (best if it involves gentrification somehow)

? Racist / Classist accusations

??Completely useless advice

? Shrill armchair advocacy for homeless/mentally ill

? An indication I should pack up, sell the building and move to the suburbs (this one is vital)

The homeless are allergic to other people's dogs.

I should start offering a service where I scare off homeless people with my large dog. She generally can't stand them and starts barking at them whenever she sees them. They tend to avoid her like the plague.

CatsnDogs wrote:
LHS has no programs to address the feral cat population in either Jersey City or Hoboken where they contract for animal control. They have left that up to the community as has the City although the Animal Control is making a very slight effort.

I started the Neighborhood Feral Cat Initiative in 2009 to address the JC feral problem and to create a public dialogue about community and feral cats. We train residents how to Trap Neuter Return. We loan traps for free. And we provide grant funding to pay for the spaying and neutering.

Since 2009 we have spayed and neutered 2,000+ community/feral cats mostly in Jersey City. Hundreds of residents have taken the training workshop. All of this has been done without any municipal/government funding and without any paid employees.

Imagine what you can do with some funding and paid employees.

www.neighborhoodferalcat.org
www.companionanimaltrust.com

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vitriolbegone wrote:
Speaking of small places to live...

s/ Seeking advice from Trolls and Smug Armchair Experts! /s


Here's my awkward homeless question of the year:

What am I suppost to do to keep the same guy from sleeping, smoking in our building's vestibule every other night?

Background: It's a 4 unit building. We'd rather not lock the exterior door if we can avoid it since we'd have to move the doorbells.

The same guy quietly sneeks into the front door late at night (I still hear him), lays below sight of the windows and sleeps.

Not such a big deal (no harm, no foul), but...

[Trolls and hyperbolic homeless advocates, are you ready? ]

Some residents are afraid of him. Oh, and ..
HE SMELLS THE DAMN PLACE UP WITH HIS SMOKE / BODY. TALKING VOMIT INDUCING ODOR HERE.

His visits require a serious on-your-knees cleaning before I go to work: Cigarette ash removal, scrubbing / bleaching of the tiles to remove the foul odor, etc.

When calmly approached about the problem, he becomes belligerent: Today I was called a racist (yay!).


I don't want to call the police. What eles can we do?



Please, no useful advice sought! The answers I want should include some or all of the following:

? Shaming (best if it involves gentrification somehow)

? Racist / Classist accusations

??Completely useless advice

? Shrill armchair advocacy for homeless/mentally ill

? An indication I should pack up, sell the building and move to the suburbs (this one is vital)

The homeless are allergic to other people's dogs.

VanVorster wrote:
This is the tower of Babel, you clearly don't understand what I'm saying with inane comments like this and devoid of perspective and nuance. "He was too white for your tastes" ... In no way did I say that and I don't even know what that means. His brother passes for white (when I said constructively white added with their dad and surname) and it's no secret that the family doesn't like black people per the article which is really about families absorbing anti-black views -- an intrinsic facet of this country since its inception. And nice race baiting on your part (he's not lily white but Hispanic for affirmative action purposes and job applications). When you lament the deplorable state of race relations in this country, do realize you're part of the problem. http://alumni.berkeley.edu/california ... tles-berkeley-prof-blasts

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/1/14 ... itics_how_politicians_use

JoeGee wrote:
As big of a skeezbag the average car dealer is thought to be, having franchised independently owned dealerships does actually creates jobs.

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The horror! Imagine all those poor Short Hills Mall shoppers who are having their civil rights trampled on-the 1%ers having a problem buying a car from the billionaire Tesla owner with Obama tax breaks!

And Sweeney not organizing the Legislature to allow it! It could be the civil right issue of our time methinks.

Can the NJ Senate President be impeached for this?

You speak in the language of corrupt politicians. Very impressive. Erecting massive trade barriers for protectionism isn't a problem because Teslas are for the 1%, who of course we hate. Boooo 1%, yay corrupt dealership model.

Seriously guys, we need legislative action to repeal the dealership model.

I wouldn't go that far. Before Christie and his cabinet on the MVC changed the law, New Jersey plainly allowed for direct sales and a dealership model. If some people enjoy the dealership experience, let them continue. But do not take away the rights of others who want to buy a car like a Tesla.

Not true. They had been given a waiver, with the understanding that they would have a chance to lobby the Legislature to change the law or negotiate with Trenton over this. Every dealer has to renew yearly. And, with two sales outlets in NJ, their existing model is ONE service center, in Springfield, to take are of the whole state for service and warranty repair. Sure not very consumer friendly . . .

I'm not sure such a big deal should be made over a car (with a huge Obama 'green' tax break) that costs over $70K, to enrich a billionaire like Elon Musk though.

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Monroe wrote:
The horror! Imagine all those poor Short Hills Mall shoppers who are having their civil rights trampled on-the 1%ers having a problem buying a car from the billionaire Tesla owner with Obama tax breaks!

And Sweeney not organizing the Legislature to allow it! It could be the civil right issue of our time methinks.

Can the NJ Senate President be impeached for this?

You speak in the language of corrupt politicians. Very impressive. Erecting massive trade barriers for protectionism isn't a problem because Teslas are for the 1%, who of course we hate. Boooo 1%, yay corrupt dealership model.

Seriously guys, we need legislative action to repeal the dealership model.

I wouldn't go that far. Before Christie and his cabinet on the MVC changed the law, New Jersey plainly allowed for direct sales and a dealership model. If some people enjoy the dealership experience, let them continue. But do not take away the rights of others who want to buy a car like a Tesla.

Monroe wrote:
The horror! Imagine all those poor Short Hills Mall shoppers who are having their civil rights trampled on-the 1%ers having a problem buying a car from the billionaire Tesla owner with Obama tax breaks!

And Sweeney not organizing the Legislature to allow it! It could be the civil right issue of our time methinks.

Can the NJ Senate President be impeached for this?

Monroe wrote:
Just imagine if Tesla sold a thousand cars without dealer support in NJ. A design fault causes every battery to fail. Consumers would be screaming at Christie after Tesla said 'well, it'll be 6 months before we can fix your cars'. But where is our consumer protection? Why did Christie allow this to happen?

Or, GM, Chrysler, and every other manufacturer decides to go the Tesla route.

Thousands and thousands of dealer employees lose their jobs.

How could Christie allow this attack on employees?

The fact is, Tesla knew they had to come into compliance with existing (can I say 'settled') law and made scant attempt either to find a way to comply or get the Legislature on board.

Again, why aren't the haters going after Sweeney?? Partisan politics, of course.

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bodhipooh wrote:
At a more philosophical level, I just don't see why the government must get involved in this. For anyone familiar with Tesla, their customer service is impeccable, including coming out to you when problems arise, and willing to swap cars when service is needed that requires your car to be worked on for any length of time. So, the argument that consumers need this protection (under the guise that dealerships provide valuable customer service/repairs) is bogus and disingenuous. In fact, Tesla is HIGHLY ranked as a trustworthy brand, and current owners/customers speak highly of their product and experience.

Maybe you should direct your concerns to Emperor Christie, the free market loving Republican. I'm sure he takes his constituents' concerns very seriously.

VanVorster wrote:
I said I wasn't fearful at all as I've only felt unsafe once in the two decades being here and I don't understand why anyone else needs a gun or knife, pepper spray I get. As to Zimmerman being Hispanic, that's irrelevant. Hispanics and other minorities can exhibit anti-black animus and judging by his brother's statements, they likely feel their being Hispanic is incidental, completely assimilated and that they are constructively white with the dad and their surname. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/07 ... -of-the-Zimmerman-Family#

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I find it odd that the HHS department states that the shelter reduced its hours. As it is the only facility to take in strays for the City of Jersey City, I thought the place is available 24/7 to the Animal Control officers. If Animal Control picks up a stray dog at 1:00am they are supposed to take it to the shelter. They used to have a key to let themselves in. Has this changed? And why? And if so, where is Animal Control taking that stray dog at 1:00am in the morning now.


Please do not confuse any type of reduction of hours to the public for adoptions or volunteers to impact the funding. The City, IMO, could care less about that. All the City must fund and take care of is capturing strays and impounding them. So why are they really cutting funding?

Good point.

LHS should change the contract to limit the number of strays they'll accept from JC Animal Control by -27% of last year's total. After that charge a flat fee per stray.

heights wrote:
Strangers do not belong in vestibules, so why are you allowing this to continue ? And as far as having a cot to make him more comfortable that is purely insane and irresponsible especially if there are families involved. What is stated on your building's insurance policy ?

VanVorster wrote:
Yes it's patently obvious you don't have an issue with the Zimmerman verdict from what you've written; and when Trayvon Martin is dead and you blithely laud Zimmerman by saying "he was actually doing something good and making things better" well, we see how that worked out for Trayvon. He pursued someone who was coming back from a convenience store buying skittles; and yes, public pressure caused him to be arrested and in that time for him to concoct his questionable story ("tonight you die" his injuries didn't look fatal or serious on police screens). He presumed that Travyon was up to no good just because he was black and saying "they always get away." Again had he NOT had a gun, I don't think he would have gotten out of his car. Even though there had been a spate of break-ins, he was obsessed and called the police 50 or so times when seeing someone he deemed suspicious, hypervigilant much. As a person of color, I do not want to be hesitant about my movements, go-abouts, gestures or what I am wearing out simply in the aim of appeasing the sensibilities of someone like a Zimmerman or you for that matter. I've lived in downtown Jersey City for 20 years and only once have I felt unsafe and it was because I was walking from Harsimus Cove back to my house at 3 AM from a friend's place. 1 time in 20 years for me doesn't warrant a gun or knife and me having to prep for when thugs attack. I had an incident where a woman clutched her purse on my bldg's elevator (she was visiting a resident) and I sort of had to chuckle at how preposterous. http://kirwaninstitute.osu.edu/implic ... merman-trial-and-verdict/

vitriolbegone wrote:
Speaking of small places to live...

s/ Seeking advice from Trolls and Smug Armchair Experts! /s


Here's my awkward homeless question of the year:

What am I suppost to do to keep the same guy from sleeping, smoking in our building's vestibule every other night?

Background: It's a 4 unit building. We'd rather not lock the exterior door if we can avoid it since we'd have to move the doorbells.

The same guy quietly sneeks into the front door late at night (I still hear him), lays below sight of the windows and sleeps.

Not such a big deal (no harm, no foul), but...

[Trolls and hyperbolic homeless advocates, are you ready? ]

Some residents are afraid of him. Oh, and ..
HE SMELLS THE DAMN PLACE UP WITH HIS SMOKE / BODY. TALKING VOMIT INDUCING ODOR HERE.

His visits require a serious on-your-knees cleaning before I go to work: Cigarette ash removal, scrubbing / bleaching of the tiles to remove the foul odor, etc.

When calmly approached about the problem, he becomes belligerent: Today I was called a racist (yay!).


I don't want to call the police. What eles can we do?



Please, no useful advice sought! The answers I want should include some or all of the following:

? Shaming (best if it involves gentrification somehow)

? Racist / Classist accusations

??Completely useless advice

? Shrill armchair advocacy for homeless/mentally ill

? An indication I should pack up, sell the building and move to the suburbs (this one is vital)

VanVorster wrote:
Both Zimmerman and Dunn felt bravado and machismo because they had guns. Plain and simple. In the former, Zimmerman got out go his car and pursued Trayvon who was on the phone saying someone was following him. In the latter, Dunn approached kids in a car to tell them to turn down their music while he went into a convenience store parking lot. Query if they would have been so bold without guns. They were champing at the bit to have an excuse to use it. You said earlier you wished or hoped they had SYG in NJ, do you live in a crime ridden area? Crime has been going down for years and I've never felt the need to have a gun wherever I've lived. And congratulations for going to elite schools, so did I and it's irrelevant for purposes of this discussion.

7thstreeter wrote:
I'd be curious to hear how much of the budget is allocated for programs that help reduce the stray population, like TNR efforts. A shelter is a terrible place for an animal to wind up. Would personally rather see fewer strays struggling with life on the streets and an eventual stay in the shelter.

murican wrote:
The program takes place on a university campus where a diversity of opinions is expected and encouraged, that is how we exchange ideas, learn and grow.
Please attend!

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Have fun. I realize that my opinions, though supported by the court, should not be stated publicly.

VanVorster wrote:
You're entitled to your opinions like everyone else and I'm entitled to vehemently disagree with them. Implicitly, not expressly by the 4 corners of the statute, SYG can mean "be trigger happy, shoot first and ask questions later." There's no duty to retreat when one has a lawful right to be some place and you're entitled to use force, including deadly force, if you're in imminent fear of your life, even when that fear is irrational. I don't trust Zimmerman's story and Trayvon isn't here to refute it. I think Zimmerman got his ass kicked and didn't like it and shot the kid ("Tonight you die!" is what he said Trayvon said to him, not believing it). Likewise the cop in the movie theater shot the dad and Michael Dunn said he THOUGHT he saw a gun in the car of the kids in the convenience store parking lot. All these cases emanate from the South where people are zealots about their guns/second amendment rights and want to be dirty harry. And implicitly this deals with race when you juxtapose these cases with Melissa Alexander (the domestic violence case where NO ONE was actually shot and she's still in jail) and not being able to fathom black people being exonerated for shooting white kids out of fear.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum ... play-role-zimmerman-trial


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2 ... -zimmerman-trayvon-martin

murican wrote:
Wow, quite a lot of opinions- I am definitely attending- I hope you all come on the 17th, to join in the sharing of perspectives and ideas on this issue.

The program is free of charge and open to the public- as are most NJCU programs.

VanVorster wrote:
In the beginning the Skittles in the pocket were construed to be a weapon from what I read. Zimmerman was told to stay in his car and he didn't, he went in hot pursuit like a vigilante/wannabe cop, he instigated the entire thing, Trayvon likely didn't feel safe with a man after him while he went to a convenience store (I don't like strange people following me). SYG laws allow people to be provocateurs and then say "well, I was scared, sorry" (see the one about the cop who shot the dad over popcorn in the movies).... Yes, the lawyer gets a percentage of the recovery/settlement in a civil suit but that's hardly news. And money is your recourse when a criminal trial fails. I think you would likely sue someone if your spouse or child was killed rather than say "Oh, the criminal trial failed, oh well, just the way the cookies crumbles" http://ncronline.org/blogs/distinctly ... your-ground-culture-death

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And what exactly is your point. The criminal trial was lost and if George Zimmerman can't be put in jail, he can at least be made penniless in a civil trial unless you feel he should just be scot-free with no repercussions for his reckless actions (you know, "kill an unarmed teenager, oops, thought he had a gun, my bad, time to move on") Same thing applies to that other fool Michael Dunn.

hero69 wrote:
instead of cutting ttaxes, maybe its better use the money to better fund the animal shelter or the libraries

JCNewJersey wrote:
I find it odd that the HHS department states that the shelter reduced its hours. As it is the only facility to take in strays for the City of Jersey City, I thought the place is available 24/7 to the Animal Control officers. If Animal Control picks up a stray dog at 1:00am they are supposed to take it to the shelter. They used to have a key to let themselves in. Has this changed? And why? And if so, where is Animal Control taking that stray dog at 1:00am in the morning now.


Please do not confuse any type of reduction of hours to the public for adoptions or volunteers to impact the funding. The City, IMO, could care less about that. All the City must fund and take care of is capturing strays and impounding them. So why are they really cutting funding?