mwa7368 wrote:
Ohhh ...let's keep track! 1 murder for Downtown 1 for the rest of JC.
Shall we see who's safer, who has a better quality of life which includes less foreclosures and less unemployment?
Don't forget this is "DOWNTOWN" JClist not "the rest of jersey city" jersey city list.
Make a good note of how the highway divides the regions of foreclosure very clearly.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/20 ... egion/0515-foreclose.html

Just because YOU believe doesn't make it so either.

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As long as the drug dealing under achievers keep killing each other we all win, it's when they start killing productive members of society is when it's a real shame. These guys were not from that area, there is no way I believe that. You can't control where the trash migrates but the fact is that while downtown doesn't have a force-field and coffees shops do not deter crime, it's way way way way safer than any other area of this city. In a huge metropolis you can live in the safest area and still have crime look at manhattan, any given night anywhere in the city you can have a beatings rapes and shootings even in the areas where a 2 bedroom condo costs 3X what it does on the JC waterfront.
Not that I don't think Healy is full of S#$% and we need more cops and smarter enforcement.

I never understand how people always assume they cant be from Downtown. Never mind the fact the 20+ story building on Montgomery between Warren and Washington has many teenagers and is only a few blocks away. Don't forget all the apartments west of Jersey all the way to Ferris full of teens as well and you can't believe there not from Downtown because of what? Because some one from Downtown couldn't possibly get shot at?

As far as Downtown being "way way way safer than any other area of the city", that is a fantasy. Yes Downtown is one of the safest. If you ventured west of the turnpike you would know. I have even showed stats on here showing how the Heights as a whole is safer then Downtown as a whole. The neighborhoods I would say are the safest are the Western Slope, The area of West Side west of Mallory, Society Hill, Country Village, the Island neighborhood and the neighborhood east of Caven Point along Chapel as well as scattered pockets.

If I was raising a family in JC the safest place I can think of is in one of the luxury towers Downtown, other than that I would never even consider raising a family here, because although I believe downtown to be the safest no matter how much the people outside of downtown whine that the other parts of JC are safer the fact is they don't even approach being decent place to live in my book, your right that downtown is generally dumpy and dangerous too! I am trapped in a mortgage that is worth less than my apartment and when that changes I am on the first PATH train outta here.

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JerseyCityNj wrote:
Mosquito Park isn't infested with mosquitoes.

I'm too young to remember, as are most others, the world before DDT and other modern insecticides. Before the 40's or 50's, and before the meadowlands were drained to the degree they are now, the lowlands west of the heights were indeed infested with mosquitos, and they would rise up into areas like the park to feed in the evening.
All hearsay to me, as I'm too young and didn't live here besides, but that's what I read somewhere in a book on local history.
Perhaps a native can confirm that.

mwa7368 wrote:
As long as the drug dealing under achievers keep killing each other we all win, it's when they start killing productive members of society is when it's a real shame. These guys were not from that area, there is no way I believe that. You can't control where the trash migrates but the fact is that while downtown doesn't have a force-field and coffees shops do not deter crime, it's way way way way safer than any other area of this city. In a huge metropolis you can live in the safest area and still have crime look at manhattan, any given night anywhere in the city you can have a beatings rapes and shootings even in the areas where a 2 bedroom condo costs 3X what it does on the JC waterfront.
Not that I don't think Healy is full of S#$% and we need more cops and smarter enforcement.

smp9778 wrote:
Alcohol related? Umm... I am thinking it was gang-related. The gun managed to go off six times. It wasn't a single accidental bullet. I am guessing somebody went looking for this guy to shoot him up.

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That street (the dead-end toward the river, between 70 and 90 Hudson Street) is a very popular place for teenagers (i.e. not locals from downtown JC) to "park" on Friday/Saturday nights. Mostly I see a lot of couples but occasionally there are big groups of teenagers.

Previously I figured they were all too busy making out and having sex to really create any problems... I guess I was wrong.

If the police would just assign 1-2 officers to the Exchange Place/Paulus Hook area on Friday/Saturday nights to walk the waterfront, the light rail stations (for the "after mall" crowd headed back to the West Side and Bayonne), it would really go a long way.

Atsushi wrote:
Hi all,

Sometime the night before last night, someone broken into my car and stole the distributor from the engine. Has this ever happened to anyone? I think that it was just kids who didn't have any money and were looking for this specific part to put on their car, but there is no way of knowing.

I'm puzzled because I'm reasonably sure that I had locked the car the night before (because I always do) and that it was locked when I got in yesterday morning. The mechanics wondered the same thing.

Anyway, no permanent damage has been made to the car, so despite the cost ($475) and annoyance, I got over it. But if there is something I can and should do to prevent this from happening again, I would.

Anyone? Any thoughts?

Thanks.

Atsushi

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SonOfPizzazz wrote:
I go back there all the time. A lot of people go back there all the time. Trespassing and not hurting anyone (well, except maybe yourself, if you're not being a good trespasser and keeping an eye on your back) really isn't one of those things that you should waste your time getting all huffy about..

Since you're familiar with the spot, tell me there's any way this could have happened other than him running across directly in front of the slow moving train trying to beat the train before he'd have to wait for it to pass.

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The fact is that when (if) a pit bull bites, its going to be a lot worse than when a yorkie bites (although they do draw blood). Point is no matter how sweet pit bulls/chows/whatever is on this list are - they still have a bad rap. And everyone who says its the owners fault is correct - it is, but in this country we don't do sh*t about it, and put the dogs to sleep. Off my soapbox now....

cheese7 wrote:
Just as it is ignorant to stereotype people, I find it quite ignorant when people stereotype dogs. If you want to site dog stats, why don't we look at crime stats and start imprisoning certain groups of people? It's a slippery slope.

I have two pit mixes who I love dearly. They are great with other dogs, people and children. As a child I was attacked by a Chow Chow and had a pretty serious injury- which makes me sensitive to both sides of the issue. I don't think the answer is banning specific breeds, though.

People need to be responsible for their actions and therefore, their pet's actions. That's the bottom line.

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That is a shame he lost his leg.

Those trains move VERY slow through there, maybe 8mph or so. This is partly because the track makes a small jig in the tunnel next to where this happened.

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I don't understand people like crushthedemoniac. I'd rather deal with "generic hipsters and yuppies" over "generic crackheads and gangsters" like Downtown JC used to be. If I have to deal with something generic, I'll opt for the generic types that don't mug me, attack me, or break into my car.

Crushthedemoniac, I'm not sure if you are a resident of Downtown JC or not, but neighborhoods change. If you're looking for "old school JC" maybe you should relocate to Greenville, I'm sure that neighborhood still has the vibe that you're looking for.

Tommyc, like Ive stated before , I dont support thug behavior and dont wish Downtown was "ghetto". What I would like is more affordable housing(not low income), and less crap that would make this place look like Williamsburg or something of that nature.

Well that could work in Fantasy Land, but in Real Life Land there is a positive correlation between affordable housing and thug behavior.

Like I said, you should look into Greenville. Bergen-Lafayette maybe? The things you are looking for can be found elsewhere in Jersey City. Nobody is holding a gun to your head to stay Downtown. Neighborhoods change, that's life, dude...

SonOfPizzazz wrote:
JerseycityNJ, I may be wrong and you may be right. I can't find the population breakdown for the various sections of the city, only the totals.

That said, do you know for sure, based on your numbers, whether the population estimates you quoted are based on zip code, census tract, or police district? The crime numbers are by police district, I have a feeling the population counts are based on different borders (for example, Holland Gardens and the adjoining 14th-18th Street neighborhood being 07310 where the rest of "Downtown" is 07302).

I'm actually just curious about where the lines are drawn for different things in this town, considering the high amount of disinformation and statistical skewing we're subject to by various parties with specialized agendas. I don't actually care if Downtown is safer than the Heights, I'm just curious what the actual breakdown is. Real numbers tell you a lot more than the people on this site will.

GnomeGeneral wrote:
If you live in a housing project, you shouldn't be able to have a pet at all. Not for the sake of the residents, but the well-being of the animal. If an owner is too broke to provide for themselves, other creatures shouldn't have to suffer.

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Don't be so bitter that downtown has a lower crime rate Yahoo. Those of you who live in sh*ttier areas of JC seem to gloat every time something bad happens here. And then you bitch that we have no sense of community and a feeling of "disconnectedness" between hoods. Could it possibly be JEALOUSY?! Because you could drop a few extra bucks to live with us downtown. Lets face it, IT IS nicer here.

Yes Downtown has a lower crime rate then certain parts of the city but Downtown is far from the safest it is only the most expensive. These stats are from January to the end of March of this year. To me it looks like the Heights is safer. Also considering the West district is over double the size of the Eastern and the East precinct is the smallest, Downtown is not looking to great.

Precinct:--East--------North-------West---------South

Murder:---2-------------0-------------2--------------2

Rape:-----3-------------2-------------5--------------4

Robbery:-35-----------34------------68------------60

Ag.Assault:-39--------27------------42------------65

Burglary:--49----------98------------97------------90

Auto Theft:-45---------44-----------68------------53

Larceny:--324---------119---------167-----------115

Arson:-----3-------------2-------------3--------------4

Total:-----500---------360----------452----------393

Well, I am assuming you are looking at the totals, and not at the reasoning behind those totals. I am sure that the East always registers higher larceny, auto theft, etc, since the Newport Mall, Target, etc (havens for prosecuted shoplifting and stolen cars) I believe would be considered East. Then you have to look at who reports certain crimes and how they are investigated. If there is no insurance involved, many do not report certain crimes as well. In any event, I would question these numbers.

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Don't be so bitter that downtown has a lower crime rate Yahoo. Those of you who live in sh*ttier areas of JC seem to gloat every time something bad happens here. And then you bitch that we have no sense of community and a feeling of "disconnectedness" between hoods. Could it possibly be JEALOUSY?! Because you could drop a few extra bucks to live with us downtown. Lets face it, IT IS nicer here.

Yes Downtown has a lower crime rate then certain parts of the city but Downtown is far from the safest it is only the most expensive. These stats are from January to the end of March of this year. To me it looks like the Heights is safer. Also considering the West district is over double the size of the Eastern and the East precinct is the smallest, Downtown is not looking to great.

Precinct:--East--------North-------West---------South

Murder:---2-------------0-------------2--------------2

Rape:-----3-------------2-------------5--------------4

Robbery:-35-----------34------------68------------60

Ag.Assault:-39--------27------------42------------65

Burglary:--49----------98------------97------------90

Auto Theft:-45---------44-----------68------------53

Larceny:--324---------119---------167-----------115

Arson:-----3-------------2-------------3--------------4

Total:-----500---------360----------452----------393

Well, I am assuming you are looking at the totals, and not at the reasoning behind those totals. I am sure that the East always registers higher larceny, auto theft, etc, since the Newport Mall, Target, etc (havens for prosecuted shoplifting and stolen cars) I believe would be considered East. Then you have to look at who reports certain crimes and how they are investigated. If there is no insurance involved, many do not report certain crimes as well. In any event, I would question these numbers.

You absolutely should question them because they leave out the variables that are inextricably linked with the numbers - that is, the total population in each district.

It's the crime rate, not the crime numbers. "Rate" defines number of incidents compared to the total number of people in the area, i.e. "events per capita", i.e. "the actual statistical chance that something will happen to you".

Eastern district has many more people the North. It is safer downtown. This is basic math GnomeGeneral.

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Don't be so bitter that downtown has a lower crime rate Yahoo. Those of you who live in sh*ttier areas of JC seem to gloat every time something bad happens here. And then you bitch that we have no sense of community and a feeling of "disconnectedness" between hoods. Could it possibly be JEALOUSY?! Because you could drop a few extra bucks to live with us downtown. Lets face it, IT IS nicer here.

skepticalhook wrote:
We don't think we're immune. We should just be better protected than the rest of JC becaus, hey, let's face it-we pay the taxes and take nothing from the welfare programs.

LoKo498 wrote:
If anything, Jersey City made it popular!!!
Just like myself & my old car club made Dunkin Donuts on 440 a popular spot to hang out on a Friday night.
It all started a few years ago, just about 15 or 20 of us going there to hang out & show our cars off a lil right before hitting a carshow the next day.
That had to end for us when the kids from different cities started to come, wanted to race & start troubble & then they started to race on 440.
All I remember is how "WE" made that spot hot first!!!

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People who have metal gates on their porches over there. I don't think anyone would call that downtown even if it is technically downtown. I call it Crackton. lovely area

The neighborhood you are thinking of isn't Downtown you are right, it is Lafayette south of Grand with the caged in houses. The only places to live on that side of the turnpike that is 07302 besides Booker T and New Houses is this little tree lined community north of Montgomery that doesn't have gates on there porches. It looks more like an isolated suburb since it consist of mostly duplexes with driveways and/or garages. The people that live there call it Downtown too. Google map it, that area isn't just the projects and a housing complex it has working class homes that some people forget or don't know exist.

I know where you are talking about and it looks like a ghetto suburb and it is right down the street from the gated porched houses.
That Pathmark Parking lot is ghetto. You have bums peeing next to your car, knocking on your car windows, having bbq's in trash cans. lovely area. it is the edge of downtown. i can bet you when you call for delivery they aren't considering that downtown