HamiltonParker wrote:
Over the summer a man was found on the side walk, face down at the corner of 6th & Coles. He was taken to a local hospital and later transported to another, where he eventually died. Jersey Journal reported that his death had been ruled a homicide.
Walked into the police precinct the day after the article was published to ask if they had any further details re the murder. The police had no idea what I was talking about and I ended up sharing the link from my phone.
This is literally 3 blocks from the station ~ go figure ~ and the 2nd muder that's occurred since I've lived here ~ the other was a grocery store owner on Coles, between 6th & 7th, who was shot in the head during a robbery attempt.

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thor800 wrote:
Behind closed doors as in an open meeting that is advertised and open to the public ?

You onviously are making these claims up. Anyone that is the least bit involved in NA doesnt seem to have these issues.

And this response speaks volumes so now you speak for all involved in the VNA when did this become a communist neighborhood. How ever much or little someone is involved in an organization in their neighborhood doesn't automatically give that association the right to speak for them or the masses. People do different things in different ways to support their neighborhood. So yes full public knowledge on a decision of this gravity from our ELECTED OFFICIALS is warranted here not a small group who hadn't consulted all that their statements effects prior to making their bold statement

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Suntime wrote:
Dr nick - the vna is a volunteer community group - not a governmental agency with a requirement to provide minutes. These are people from the community getting together, making time out of their own busy lives, to discuss issues in the village community and to be neighborly. Meetings are held at 730pm so that people can get there after work. While it may not be convenient to your particular work schedule, it is the best possible time for most. meetings are announced and all are welcome. If you cant make it to meetings due to your work schedule, find a friend in the community that can and get the scoop from them. Or, go about making your voice heard in other ways by your own advocacy. Either you get involved in your community or you don't. As you know, nobody owes you anything if you arent willing to participate in a meaningful way. It takes time and effort, often unappreciated, to get involved. Its not easy when we all have busy lives with jobs and families. Its not easy for anyone - you are not alone in these time constraints.

? Then what gives them the right to "speak for everyone" you r correct we are all busy in this life and with that who has the time to or energy to be dismissed or argue with a group that seemingly feels they are the end all and be all of your neighborhood. There are so many who help behind the scenes who volunteer without need for recognition who simply do what they can when they can to help. Our voices are no less significant nor should anyone claim to speak for them. My opinion if your going to claim to speak for the public and you are a formed organization then you need to be transparent and run yourself accordingly. Bravo to all that help out and volunteer in all Jersey City and at the VNA, but just because you do it in a group doesn't make you the boss of the neighborhood and give you the right to boldly speak for the majority when you haven't consulted the majority. Maybe the people of the VNA are overwhelmed maybe they should fall back from some demands and fix what's wrong within the group and address the issues being brought up here. A badly run company makes no money and a poorly run NA alienates the people in its neighborhood. There are a tremendous amount of good people that make up the Village include them don't alienate them.

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thor800 wrote:
#feelthebern

...more like a fizzle...

Comrade Sanders....

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thor800 wrote:
If the rateable base is higher (all the new construction), shouldn't this spread the overall burden assuming a similar rate of required revenue for the city ?

Yes, and this would happen regardless of reval.

Monroe wrote:
So Mayor Fulop is accusing Norcross of being an unelected power broker having undue influence over NJ politics-after he's met with him on occasion trying to get his support, and having given Norcross's brother city contracts? Is anyone buying this??

JCGuys wrote:
Thor, I don't know why this concept is so hard to understand.

Say you live in a town with six residential properties, for example. The town last ungergos a reval is 1987 and below is their appraised amounts.

Property A $67,000
Property B $72,000
Property C $84,000
Property D $70,000
Property E $90,000
Property F $69,000

Total Assessed Value: $452,000

It's now 2015. There has been huge changes in the real estate market, especially Property E was has appreciated much faster than the other 5 properties. However, the town still taxes Property E at its 1987 valuation.

The town needs to raise $35,000 for its 2015 budget. It will have the same budget in 2016, too. In order to raise $35,000, a tax rate of 7.74% is applied to the assessed value of each home. Below is the amount in taxes each homeowner must pay.

Property A $5,186
Property B $5,573
Property C $6,502
Property D $5,481
Property E $6,966
Property F $5,341

Fast forward to 2016 and the town is ordered to undergo reval by the state. An appraisal firm is hired and assesses the following six properties according to state law and uniform accepted appraisal principals.

Property A $175,000
Property B $270,000
Property C $225,000
Property D $270,000
Property E $510,000
Property F $220,000

Total Assessed Value: $1,670,000

The town's budget is 35,000 and a tax rate of 2.1% is established. State law forbids the town from receiving any less or more revenue from a reval. It's a zero-sum game with some homeowners paying more, others less, and others virtually the same. The new taxation amounts for each home are as follows:

Property A $3,675
Property B $5,670
Property C $4,725
Property D $5,670
Property E $10,710
Property F $4,620

This is a rough, oversimplified, tongue-in-check example. But the real deal is not too far from what's posted above. It's not a hard concept. If we are to have ad valorem property taxes in New Jersey, it must be fair and according to the law.

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thor800 wrote:
If the reval wont change the total taxes received by the city then wouldnt some sort of cap have to be put in for areas that have appreciated more relative to the slighty higher taxes being paid in others like greenville ?

Huh?

Rough example...

City says it needs $220 million. The tax collector says the appraised value of all land in Jersey City pre reval is $3 billion. City sets a tax rate of 7.33% on the appraised value of land in order to raise the $220 million.

After the reval, the city still needs $220 million. The tax collector says the appraised value of all land in Jersey City post reval is now $10 billion. City sets a tax rate of 2.2% on the appraised value of land in order to raise the $220 million.

Regardless of the assessed value, the city is legally only allowed to collect $220 million. How could there be possibly so much misunderstanding on how the property taxation system work. I'll join the rest and say a reval is needed every 5 years to prevent these imbalances.

The last thing that gets me is when people start talking about improvements to a property in the context of a reval. All that matters is the current market value. So if someone put a million dollars in improvements into some real estate, but the property appraises at $500,000, then $500,000 is the appraised value.

All this discussions about renovations and improvements are irrelevant if the current fair market value of the property is known.