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Re: Cockroach at Modera Lofts
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I've had to deal with cockroaches sporadically in the past - in NYC but never JC. Anyway, laying roach motels all over the place along with treatments from a professional exterminator took care of the problem pretty quickly. I'm not as freaked out with roaches as I am with mice and bed bugs. Roaches seem the easiest to deal with of the three. It also goes without saying that you shouldn't leave any food out - not even dirty dishes in the sink. Wipe up all surfaces that might have crumbs and food stains. Store everything in air tight containers and use a kitchen garbage can with a pop-up lid. Let the vermin find their food elsewhere. Good luck!

Posted on: 2016/7/25 21:54
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Re: Whole Foods in JC?
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I am not sure I buy into the idea that people are going to WF and leaving with carts teeming with groceries. From my experience in this area, as well as in suburbia in NJ and elsewhere, it seems like most WF purchases can be fit in four bags or less. Perhaps a result of the high prices. After all, they don't call it Whole Paycheck for nothing.


I live alone, so most of the time, my Whole Paycheck purchase does fit into just a bag or two. However, about once a month I do use the car to load up on stuff like the house brand Italian sparkling water (cheaper than Pellgrino by far). It's summer and I like watermelon, but there's no way I'm going to schlep a watermelon - or even half a melon - home on foot. They will also run pretty good sales on those pricey cans of San Marzano tomatoes, and that's when I stock up and buy an entire flat of those cans. I make my own sauce and always have some in the fridge. In fact I have marinara simmering on the stove right now.

Posted on: 2016/7/14 15:18
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Re: Whole Foods in JC?
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JcDevil wrote:
They are replacing the gigantic parking lot that currently exists with a parking garage on top of a Whole Foods and people are still whining? I guarantee that this was a requirement by the residents of Metropolis Towers - it's not like they're going to agree to a redevelopment plan that gets rid of their parking spaces permanently.


Exactly. How many years have people have been whining on JC List about not having a Whole Foods? And now that one is finally coming they whine about a parking deck that by all accounts seems to be tastefully designed. Let's face it, those acres of surface parking at Metropolis Towers are an eyesore and serve to isolate those buildings as islands unto themselves. The redevelopment is an improvement in the downtown streetscape and will no doubt lift the value of properties that have largely been left out of the real-estate boom. A discreet parking deck is a small trade-off, imho.

Posted on: 2016/7/14 13:53
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Re: Whole Foods in JC?
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I think the parking deck there is a sensible solution that meets the needs of the residents and Whole Foods. To be viable, they probably need a critical mass of shoppers who don't just live in Downtown JC or within easy reach of mass transit. There are vast swaths of JC that are underserved by mass transit, and those people have cars. Plus Whole Foods is probably hoping to draw people in from surrounding communities like Bayonne and Hoboken. Also, have you seen parents shopping at a supermarket with a couple of kids in tow? Try getting a loaded shopping cart and two small kids across a busy four-lane street like Columbus. I love how people on JC List complain about reckless drivers on Columbus speeding off the Turnpike and creating hazardous conditions for pedestrians on one thread. But suddenly on another thread it's no big deal to ask people - with cumbersome shopping carts - to cross the same hazardous street because it doesn't fit with a certain dogmatic view. Let's just say for argument's sake that WF does use the parking garage at 50 Columbus. In all likelihood, they would have to lengthen the red light at that intersection to allow lots of people with shopping carts and kids enough time to cross safely. What does that do to traffic congestion in that area? I'm also picturing how much more difficult it would be to get all those shopping carts left at 50 Columbus back to WF.

Posted on: 2016/7/14 12:58
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Re: Tender Shoot Farm Closing
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I will miss Tender Shoot. Sure, there are other places to buy food, but they often had specialty items that you couldn't find elsewhere in JC, and they saved me from having to hunt in the city. One time, I got overly ambitious and decided to make gumbo. I looked at Shop Rite and a couple of other places for fil? powder but couldn't find it. As a last resort, I poked my head inside Tender Shoot and there it was on their spice rack.

Posted on: 2016/7/12 18:11
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Re: Please help stop Edgewater from Gassing the Canadian Geese! Protest tomorrow!
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Had goose for Christmas dinner one year at a friend's place in London. Yummmm!

Posted on: 2016/6/18 21:40
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Re: PATH (pathetic attempt at transporting humans)
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MDM wrote:
It is just one of my pet peeves. I like to be able to read my paper or an article on my phone in peace. Especially when I luck out and get a seat.

At least the guys doing something on the platform I have the option of going to the other end. In the car I am pretty much trapped.


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Anyone here noticed an increase in the annoying "entertainers" who suddenly strike up a show for tips? Today I had an off-key doo-wop group and a bunch of guys who tried some sort of dance routine in a rather full car.


Yeah, the doo wop guys aren't bad but I still don't think anyone should have to be subjected to your singing in a small tube. They used to sing everyone once and awhile but I see them on my morning commute at least every week now.


Everyday this week, I've been subjected to the acrobats on my ride into work. I go in around midday, which of course isn't as crowded as rush hour, but it's still standing room only in most cars when the train pulls out of Grove. Anyway, these teens blast their boombox and start doing backflips and gymnastics routines on the bars. One of these days, someone is gonna end up getting kicked in the face. The best part is when they ask for money because "no one got hurt."

Posted on: 2016/6/9 22:47
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Re: Jersey City mayor-elect orders end to citywide reval
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....but it has been in the local news a lot. Anyone plunking down that kind of money might be doing some market research. Just a thought.


If one thing has been clear about this issue, it's that the majority of locals are pretty ignorant of it. What does that mean for non-locals coming from Brooklyn etc? Who is going to tell them? Their brokers? Sellers? Non-local attorneys?

Look at all the people who kept buying "newly renovated garden level apartments" in DTJC. Shouldn't they have somehow known better?


Exactly! It seems like most locals don't even know about the reval, so I wouldn't expect out of towners to know about it either. There should be a rule/law requiring realtors and/or sellers to disclose a potential drastic change in fees and/or taxes directly related to the property being sold. I think it is downright wrong to unload a property you marketed as "low tax" knowing full well that taxes could potentially double or triple in less than two years.


Even if you do try to counsel would-be buyers, there's a fair chance they won't hear you. It's amazing how people willingly bury their head in the sand even if it involves the biggest financial decision they'll make in their lives. I refuse to give advice anymore to friends who are in the market, especially first-time buyers. They're in that zone that I call "new home bliss," where they're too busy fantasizing about their future perfect life in the dream home. Even when they directly ask you for your opinion, what they really want is to hear validation of their choice - perhaps with a little envy thrown in. They don't want hear about taxes or that roof that will likely leak in the next spring thaw. But you can rest assured you WILL hear them whine about it - despite your best attempts at warning them - when reality (and the bill) catches up.

It's not unlike people who don't save for retirement, or don't save enough for it and then magically think everything will somehow work out.

Posted on: 2016/5/16 13:31
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Re: Yvonne Outdoes Herself - Transgender Bathroom Editorial
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You gonna have pervs going into women's stalls and jacking off or worse.
as long as one stays in onein one's own stall jacking off, does it matter. i would think women would want to keep people with penes out of their bathroom since we men will piss all over the floor and leave the seat up.


A real hero, would not make your comment. Men who are in women's restroom and decides to pleasure themselves do not belong in women's restroom, they belong in prison.
if they are pleasuring themselves in their own stall and in no way bothering anyone else, why do you care? it's a different story if they are crawling under the stall or something.


It is called baby steps, first they are in their stalls next they enter the woman's stall. Men are who "peeping toms" do not remain in that status. They are outside the homes, but when the thrilled is gone, they are inside the homes committing rapes.


You've been watching some really interesting porn, Yvonne, you sly devil!

Posted on: 2016/4/28 20:07
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Re: Yvonne Outdoes Herself - Transgender Bathroom Editorial
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Yvonne, you are an absolute batshit crazy asshole. I've always known that you have no clue what you're talking about, but this goes beyond the pale. Don't try to cloak your bigotry in fake concern for child sex abuse victims. You couldn't care less about the victims of predators, you only care about your bigoted views and being able to spew your hate. As someone who grew up across the street from the county's worst predator and was among his dozens of victims that included his own daughters, nieces and granddaughters, I can tell you I'm not the least bit fearful of a transgender person. The person I fear, who still makes my hackles rise, more than 40 years later is this:

-The "pillar" of the community who has been an upstanding member of his church and is very involved - too involved - with community youth activities. There is no sport or Sunday school class he won't coach or teach. I say ban churches before you ban transgender folks from restrooms. The biggest harbor and enabler of pedophiles has been the Catholic Fucking Church.

-The man who is too eager to play Santa Claus at every community event or party. (Around the same time there was a man, two counties over, named John Wayne Gacy who liked to dress up as a clown for kids parties). To this day Santa Clauses and clowns still creep me out big time.

-The overly friendly neighbor who is always popping over with with a six-pack to befriend parents and offer babysitting and car services when things get too hectic for the parents. "Oh, you'll be late picking Johnny up from his karate lesson because you have to first drop off Sarah at Girl Scouts? Why don't you go get Johnny, and I can drive Sarah to Girl Scouts. That's what neighbors do, we help each other out!"

-The same overly friendly neighbor who loves to befriend kids who aren't the popular ones at school or come from a troubled homes - the kids who tend to be lonely. He likes to give them lots of gifts.

-The same overly friendly neighbor who is always encouraging his granddaughters to invite their friends for sleepovers.

-The same overly friendly neighbor who goes over the top decorating his house on Halloween and gives out full sized Hershey bars to attract as many kids as possible.

This is how predators operate and get away with it for years, if not decades. They don't wear dresses and put on make-up. They set themselves up as model citizens of the community, so that no one will believe any accusations of wrongdoing. Not at first anyway. Children are too afraid to say anything because he's supposed to be one of the "good" guys, like a teacher, or fireman, or minister.

Posted on: 2016/4/27 14:35
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Re: Jersey City mayor-elect orders end to citywide reval
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This is a classic example of why a reval is so badly needed. This home just went on the market with an asking price of $1.7 million. I checked the taxes on it: just $12,700. And it's not the mythological old timers selling. Looking at the tax history, the current owners bought in 2012 for $751K, probably renovated it (without sparking a reassessment - plenty of that going on downtown). If the sellers get their asking price, that means a gain of nearly $1 million in just four years, less upgrade costs. Not a bad investment.

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandh ... 6653-80994?ex=NJ613689002

Clearly not the mythological old timers that Yvonne keeps harping about. Most of those people cashed out a long time ago. There are plenty of two bedroom condos in my building that pay several thousand more in PILOT a year. What people keep conveniently forgetting when it comes to PILOTS is that they do sunset at the end of their term (most of the downtown PILOTs were set for 15 or 20 years). Whereas a great tax deal like this one lasts forever unless there's a reval.

Posted on: 2016/4/13 13:41
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Re: Mitsuwa
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I love the place, not just for the food but also the ceramics shop in that same mall. Nearly half of my dishes come from there. The parking lot can be a bit of a clusterf*ck during the weekends. I swear, I've had more near misses in that parking lot than any other place. One time I saw this fender bender there, and the tow truck nearly towed this minivan away with a kid still strapped in the car seat in back! The mom was so frazzled, she forgot all about the kid until a bunch of us started shouting at the tow truck.

Posted on: 2016/4/1 18:40
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Re: Okay, so who here thinks the Katyn monument needs to go?
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SOS wrote:

Yvonne knows because she was on the sub! That's the most logical explanation.


No, she heard from a friend who was on the sub. The same friend who saw all those Muslims celebrating in JC on 9/11. It's also the friend who had to stop going to his doctor because of the pedestrian plaza on Newark Ave.

Posted on: 2016/3/18 17:47
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Re: Okay, so who here thinks the Katyn monument needs to go?
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bodhipooh wrote:
[Do you even know who is the person being honored/remembered by Marin Blvd?


No, she doesn't. She and her husband call it Henderson Street in one of her home videos (railing about parking, no doubt). It was quite hilarious because no one had any clue wtf they were babbling about, using a long-defunct street name.

Posted on: 2016/3/18 15:41
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Re: Mayor Fulop Tells Christie to Resign - Establishes Petition
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Yvonne wrote:
That is not true, he has attended many community groups telling them what a great job he has done in JC. I am not talking about going to Trenton.


He's telling people he's done great things in JC. They might consider doing business or starting a business here. Or even move here. Fantastic, no? Oh that's right. Bad for parking.

Posted on: 2016/3/15 18:28
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Re: Mayor Fulop Tells Christie to Resign - Establishes Petition
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Yvonne wrote:
Fulop spends a lot of time outside Jersey City in different towns. I actually know of some people in JC that have attended these out of town meetings. Fulop is traveling in the state similar to Christie's travels in the nation. How can he tell someone to resign when Fulop is basically doing the same thing?


Lame, lame, lame. First of all, he's not neglecting his duties as JC's mayor. Legislation isn't piling up. Can you honestly say all these meetings aren't in the interests of the city? It's not like JC exists in isolation to other communities in the state. The other big difference is when he travels around the state, the cost is marginal to the taxpayer. He's not flying and staying at four-star hotels with a security detail in tow - that's the source of Christie's excess when it comes to expenses

Posted on: 2016/3/15 17:51
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Re: Mayor Fulop Tells Christie to Resign - Establishes Petition
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I absolutely loathe Christie, but I think a petition demanding his resignation will be completely futile. Do you think for one moment his ego will let him resign? Or that he gives a crap about Jersey or what we think about him? No. The only way we'll be rid of this turd before his term is up is a recall, impeachment or he chokes on a chicken bone. However, this is a great way for Fulop to amass a statewide list of liberal-leaning voters and their e-mail addresses. Gee, what could he possibly do with that?

Posted on: 2016/3/15 15:17
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Re: Santiago Calatrava on his soon-to-be-opened WTC Transit Hub
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Posted on: 2016/3/3 14:11
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Re: Chris Christie expected formally end presidential bid today
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drifterx wrote:
Political prostitution at its finest.

'Hey Donald, have you ever been with a fat man?' - CC

And then that Sansa Stark moment when Christie knew he's fucked.


Hah! I was thinking along the lines of Reek to Trump's Ramsay Bolton when I saw that speech last night.

Posted on: 2016/3/2 21:44
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Re: Parking Permit to 11:00 PM
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go to any shopping mall, you will not pay a fee for parking.


Really? Many shopping malls, located in cities, require you pay for parking. Here's one...The Westchester Mall. So you're wrong. Again...


You name one out of how many? Perhaps thousands, that probably kept you very busy. I attended those meetings, it was the residents not Newport who asked for the fee.


Oh, are you so upset that you're wrong again, that you need to make false assumptions that I waste my time in shopping malls? Lol

I'm not arguing against the fact that many, if not most malls do not charge for parking. It's because most of these malls are located in less populated areas.
My point is if a mall is located in a dense area (e.g. DTJC) it's not going to be unusual to see a fee for parking (assuming they even offer parking at all). FWIW, The Galleria, is another urban mall, in a dense area, that charges for parking. So much for your "go to any mall, you will not pay"


Add to the list City Creek in Salt Lake City (a pity more malls don't look like this one - absolutely beautiful). It charges for parking and Salt Lake City has just one-tenth the population density of JC.

Posted on: 2016/2/24 20:49
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Re: Chase branch closing in Old Colony Mall
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I'm willing to give it some time to see what happens when 99 Ranch opens there later this year. It could reinvigorate that mall. I have relatives in California who rave about the roast meats at 99 Ranch. I hope they'll have fresh seafood. I'm looking forward to not having to hop in the car when I need "exotic" fresh ingredients like kaffir lime leaves or even Thai basil. I think the two locations they bought in NJ are the company's first foray into the East Coast.

Posted on: 2016/2/18 15:13
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Re: No Fee Duplex 2BR/1.5BA with W+D and Big Yard in Downtown Jersey City
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I walk by that place several times a week. That block was hit hard by Sandy. If the lower level of the unit is above ground level, then it should be fine. Can't really say whether that rent is high or not without knowing the square footage. One thing to consider, though, when renting on that block: there's a large construction site right now where the parking lot was.

Posted on: 2016/1/21 0:42
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Re: New Comcast charges
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I'm convinced that no two Comcast customers pay the exact same amount on their monthly bills - even if they are receiving the exact same services. It's become an annual or semiannual ritual for me to call their customer service department and basically negotiate a variety of discounts. The savings can be substantial, even though its tedious and you basically have to threaten them with cancellation, but it's rare to encounter an agent who won't work with you to lower the bill. If nothing else, I've been able to get free HBO for a year.

Posted on: 2016/1/8 20:39
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Re: McNair Academic High School - racial quota
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devilsadvocate wrote:

Have you spoken to many "X studies majors"? Their linguistic skills in the language they're learning is nothing like full fluency.


Took Russian for three years. I was never a serious Russian student, the language just fascinated me. By the time I got to the third year, most of my classmates were majors. They were hardcore, and if you're a major you have to go live and study there for at least a year. Total immersion. So, yes, I would say they were pretty fluent. Admittedly, they were studying it at the right time in history. The top students were courted back in the late '80s/early 90s by the CIA, State Department, banks, energy companies media organizations, NGOs and think tanks.

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Re: McNair Academic High School - racial quota
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By the way, I speak a "desired foreign language" and am not a "X languages" major. You end up with the language if you're an immigrant or a children of immigrants.


I can only speak for myself and those I know as children of Chinese immigrants. Most of us speak well enough to order at a restaurant or argue with our parents, not well enough to function at a high professional level. The vast majority of us can barely even write our names in Chinese. All the cramming and studying Chinese parents insist on, sadly, doesn't include the language. My own parents conceded that was a mistake when they realized how big a demand there was for fully fluent English-Chinese bilingual workers.

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Re: McNair Academic High School - racial quota
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Sure, but with finance they had to pick up real quantitative skills somewhere. That doesn't just happen.



Do you understand how big financial institutions like Goldman Sachs work? They assemble teams with all sorts of backgrounds or talents. In the early and mid-1990s, the banks were all trying to court Russian and Chinese majors because they were in a hurry to do deals in those countries. That's where many of my classmates ended up. They needed people who spoke the language and understood the culture. A lot of the big-picture macro strategists don't come from technical backgrounds. They hire people with more technical skills to write proprietary trading programs or do the quantitative analysis.

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Re: McNair Academic High School - racial quota
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A large part of that though is that attendees tend to come from far wealthier families. It isn't surprising that the GW Bushes of the world aren't graduating from Harvard and Yale with student debt.

And if you start to look at graduate level education, which tends to be less concentrated based on socioeconomic status (for a variety of reasons), you'll see a ton of people graduating from the likes of Harvard and Yale law with massive sums of debt.

But sure, some go to ivy league schools and for whatever reason have less debt. Their ability to find employment still relates to their major, at least to some degree. Yes, some can still get banking internships or go into management consulting. But that takes a methodical dedication to preparing for those that many liberal arts majors don't really pursue.


You know, rather than speaking in sweeping generalizations and just plain making stuff up, I invite you to actually look at the financial aid stats for schools like Harvard. They're easy to find and the schools are pretty transparent on the economic backgrounds of their students and how need-based aid is determined. Students from families like the Bushes are in the minority. Some 60% of students come from families making less than $200k, and even those making more than $200K aren't excluded from receiving aid (if, for example, they have more than one child in college). The other Ivy League schools have aid models pretty similar to Harvard's.

For whatever reason, you dislike the liberal arts, which is fine. To each his own. But your last sentence makes no sense whatsoever - not even from a sentence-construction point of view - and is backed by nothing other than your own biased assumptions. You clearly don't have a STEM background. People from those backgrounds live by facts and figures and they use facts and numbers to persuade people to their point of view. You clearly don't. In the JC List vernacular: You're simply talking out of your ass.

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Re: McNair Academic High School - racial quota
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Here's the disconnect here: she is saying "statistically, it is likely to result in X", to which you are countering with a personal anecdote that you didn't fit X. You may be a counter-example, but you don't disprove the statement, which is correct.

The other thing to keep in mind is that none of what you wrote implies that you wouldn't have been better off if you didn't major in something inherently marketable, rather than needing to rely on being a "quick learner" (which, in this market is a massively tough sell - I'm not going to hire even an entry level developer that doesn't have a CS degree because why would I? Nor will I hire a project manager with a "fluffy" degree even from an ivy when I could have many with an MIS, CS or at worst, straight up business management degree also from good schools).


What I'm saying is the average Ivy grad leaves school with a much lower student debt load than those who went to a non-Ivy private school, like NYU or Northwestern, and often lower than those who attended a state university. In 2012, the average debt owed by a Princeton grad was just over $5,000. At Yale, it was around $9,000. You owe more buying your first car. And its even possible to pay that off waiting tables. I have no idea what the job market is nowadays for those graduating with liberal arts degrees. I agree it's much tougher than it was 25-30 years ago and if I had a kid, I probably wouldn't want him/her to pursue a liberal arts degree. Your argument is narrowly based on hiring a software developer. Of course, you should only hire someone with a CS degree (fwiw, my ex has a CS degree and lost three jobs over a relatively short period because someone in or from India did the work for a lot less money). What I'm talking about are fields that DON'T require specific STEM skills. They do exist. For example, media, marketing and even finance. I know lots of people in finance - currency and bond traders and asset managers - who majored in history, philosophy and foreign languages.

I don't dispute your contention that I would have been better off pursuing something, as you put it, "inherently marketable." I certainly would be making more money, if that's what you mean by better off. But I know myself well enough to know I would have been bored and miserable in a technical field. Life is full of trade-offs that way. I'm in a job I mostly love and perform well (when I'm not on JC List). I'll never be wealthy, but I do all right: I have no debt besides the mortgage and I have enough to pay my bills, save decently for retirement and still have a little leftover to splurge on shoes or a vacation once in awhile. Btw, why are you so hostile to everyone posting on this thread? I mean this as a sincere question.


You are cherry picking the student debt data. Princeton is considered a model school in terms of how to best serve its student body with its "no loan policy". The average undergrad student load debt exceeds 27K. That's AVERAGE. For every Princeton grad with a debt of 5K, there's (statistically) one or more students with much more in debt.

Pebbles contention that data is not being provided is turning a blind to established facts: as a country, we are facing a student load debt crisis. Too many grads are coming out of school with too much debt. Add to these totals and numbers the people who continue their studies in fields like law, medicine, etc. Tons more money. The average law school loads debt is around 100K. For many schools, it is much more.


I was refuting your original contention of Ivy grads leaving school with "a pile of debt" they will regret. I'm saying the Ivies have fat endowments and a significantly high percentage graduate without any debt. Those who do typically have a total debt load well below the national average. Princeton is at the low end of the scale, Harvard and Yale in the middle of the pack among Ivies. At the high end is Brown, I think, at around $23K. That's still below the national average and lower than many car loans even. I absolutely agree that the nation is at a tipping point with outsized student loan debt. But if you can get into an Ivy, that's often the best education deal around due to the generous aid packages, even for the upper middle class.

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Re: McNair Academic High School - racial quota
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devilsadvocate wrote:

Here's the disconnect here: she is saying "statistically, it is likely to result in X", to which you are countering with a personal anecdote that you didn't fit X. You may be a counter-example, but you don't disprove the statement, which is correct.

The other thing to keep in mind is that none of what you wrote implies that you wouldn't have been better off if you didn't major in something inherently marketable, rather than needing to rely on being a "quick learner" (which, in this market is a massively tough sell - I'm not going to hire even an entry level developer that doesn't have a CS degree because why would I? Nor will I hire a project manager with a "fluffy" degree even from an ivy when I could have many with an MIS, CS or at worst, straight up business management degree also from good schools).


What I'm saying is the average Ivy grad leaves school with a much lower student debt load than those who went to a non-Ivy private school, like NYU or Northwestern, and often lower than those who attended a state university. In 2012, the average debt owed by a Princeton grad was just over $5,000. At Yale, it was around $9,000. You owe more buying your first car. And its even possible to pay that off waiting tables. I have no idea what the job market is nowadays for those graduating with liberal arts degrees. I agree it's much tougher than it was 25-30 years ago and if I had a kid, I probably wouldn't want him/her to pursue a liberal arts degree. Your argument is narrowly based on hiring a software developer. Of course, you should only hire someone with a CS degree (fwiw, my ex has a CS degree and lost three jobs over a relatively short period because someone in or from India did the work for a lot less money). What I'm talking about are fields that DON'T require specific STEM skills. They do exist. For example, media, marketing and even finance. I know lots of people in finance - currency and bond traders and asset managers - who majored in history, philosophy and foreign languages.

I don't dispute your contention that I would have been better off pursuing something, as you put it, "inherently marketable." I certainly would be making more money, if that's what you mean by better off. But I know myself well enough to know I would have been bored and miserable in a technical field. Life is full of trade-offs that way. I'm in a job I mostly love and perform well (when I'm not on JC List). I'll never be wealthy, but I do all right: I have no debt besides the mortgage and I have enough to pay my bills, save decently for retirement and still have a little leftover to splurge on shoes or a vacation once in awhile. Btw, why are you so hostile to everyone posting on this thread? I mean this as a sincere question.

Posted on: 2015/12/30 20:06
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bodhipooh wrote:

Statistically, anyone attending an Ivy for a humanities or liberal arts undergrad degree is likely going to end up with a pile of debt that they will come to regret.


Not quite true. I went to an Ivy, got a liberal arts degree and was able to pay off my very modest student loan in about five years. Granted, I lived a very spartan life those first five years out of school and didn't eat out or take any trips, not even for friends' weddings. The Ivies are so well endowed that no one pays full freight unless you're from a super wealthy family. They were able to cobble a very good aid package for me through a combination of scholarships, grants and work-study jobs. Most importantly, they didn't count my parents' home as an asset in determining my aid package. Most schools back then did, which almost always disqualified me from any meaningful financial aid. Nowadays, the state schools have seen so much of their funding cut that tuition, especially if you're going out of state, can run as much as a private university - and most of them can't offer the same level of grants and scholarships.

It's also correct that an Ivy League degree will help open some doors for job interviews you might not otherwise get. If you ever get laid off, the alumni network also comes in handy, but that's about it. How you perform and thrive on the job often depends on the stuff they don't teach you in school. A lot of it is the ability to survive and navigate office politics through people skills and diplomacy. I don't know what the job landscape is like today for people just graduating from schools, but a liberal arts degree wasn't necessarily a dead end. A hiring manager once told me that most liberal arts majors end up in jobs/careers that have nothing to do with their field of study, but he found them to be quick learners on the job and they were far more adaptable and flexible

Posted on: 2015/12/30 19:11
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