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Re: Black community responds to police shooting of unarmed black teenager by looting businesses
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No one is condoning the looting in fact many of the residents there find it reprehensible. There are black people there trying to protect the stores from those miscreants who are opportunists. What I find interesting is that Old School can be cheeky and sarcastic calling out people on their racism (and this site by its posts has definitely become more xenophobic and racist since its inception) and then jerseymom posts a Black Panther video (e.g. subtext "quick, they are coming for white people, get your guns") when the death, violence and brutality is visited upon black and brown bodies and no white person has been killed. None of you seems to be that concerned about Michael Brown and some of you seem to have implied well that's what he gets for the cigars. And that is a poor reflection on you, your humanity or lack thereof.

Posted on: 2014/8/18 21:05
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Re: Black community responds to police shooting of unarmed black teenager by looting businesses
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But in all seriousness, no one is absolving black people of personal responsibility; and really, some tool actually gave a cliff notes version on how blacks can become good blacks on JCList rather than questioning cops sometimes thinking they have unfettered power and will wield it when it comes to lower socioeconomic groups. It's interesting that's the rote response from some of you like you want to at any all costs avoid the unpleasant facts institutional and systemic racism/classism; and hijack the conversation whenever something like this happens with platitudes of black on black crime, that he stole cigars, smoked a joint, etc. with no culpability toward the people pulling the trigger.

http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/08/michael-brown-and-ferguson/


http://www.damemagazine.com/2014/08/1 ... ut-ferguson-besides-tweet

Posted on: 2014/8/18 20:48
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Re: Black community responds to police shooting of unarmed black teenager by looting businesses
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Posted on: 2014/8/18 20:40
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Re: Black community responds to police shooting of unarmed black teenager by looting businesses
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Why did the media disseminate utterly useless information such as Brown was days away from attending college?
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Finally, something we agree on.

"We should not have to prove Mike Brown was worthy of living." The truth of this statement cannot -- must not -- be ignored. This is not simply because, as Gay astutely points out, the worthiness of white male victims of violence rarely needs to be similarly demonstrated. It is also because it leaves undisturbed the deadly presumption that the value of some people -- of some lives -- is contingent upon a showing of good behavior. It is as though an ever-present question mark is allowed to hover over some people's lives -- in particular, blacks, women, sexual minorities, the poor -- calling their very right to exist into question"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mary-an ... d-unworthy_b_5673321.html

Posted on: 2014/8/18 16:55
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Re: Black community responds to police shooting of unarmed black teenager by looting businesses
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The looting is absolutely reprehensible and most aren't condoning it -- its rogue perpetrators driving in from elsewhere. Some of the residents in Ferguson are also standing vigil protecting the stores but Fox won't be airing that. But the police did release the videotape of the store to sway public opinion of "well see he had what was coming to him and wasn't a good black" and they were called out when the reporter asked, "so the officer stopped him for the convenience store incident" Chief of Police: "No" Reporter: "Then why release it?"


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08 ... ard-stores_n_5684042.html


Posted on: 2014/8/18 16:29
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Re: Black community responds to police shooting of unarmed black teenager by looting businesses
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Food for thought.

http://jezebel.com/jesse-williams-on- ... eated-like-hum-1623217610

different results in these incidents.

White people can kill people in movie theaters, schools, Boston marathon bombing and be apprehended, but as soon as a black person gets killed, many of the JClist posters are on here saying "well what did he do to deserve it -- see, he stole from a convenience store . . . he shouldn't have been wearing a hoodie walking around at night acting sneaky, George had every right to follow him and confront him" etc etc. And it should be noted in the Mike Brown matter, the police officer wasn't aware at the time of what transpired at the store. This is no different from when a woman is raped, the apologists go to "well what was she wearing? that may have enticed the man or made him think she was available" "well, she was promiscuous and drunk" as though that absolves a rape.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08 ... ck-victims_n_5673291.html

http://www.kmov.com/news/crime/Police ... s-officers-271009211.html

And this is what many of you are doing in your hate mongering and talking about so-called black culture. From a biology teacher in NJ.

http://doyle-scienceteach.blogspot.co ... /deat-white-teachers.html

Posted on: 2014/8/18 15:53
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Re: Black community responds to police shooting of unarmed black teenager by looting businesses
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Posted on: 2014/8/15 16:44
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Re: A casino in Jersey City? Venture capitalist wants to make it happen
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Posted on: 2014/8/7 14:52
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Re: Korean restaurant
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I'm a big proponent of small business/buying local; so yes, your being in Jersey City (living and working) and family run is a big plus for me. Will be sure to bring my friends and be a patron of the place. Congratulations and good luck!!


Posted on: 2014/8/4 21:18
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Re: Korean restaurant
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Will definitely be there getting my Korean fix on. Not a far walk for me. Will you have korean bbq where you can do it at your own table? I go to a place in the vicinity of former Worldwide Plaza/Hell's Kitchen that has that.

Posted on: 2014/8/4 20:49
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Re: How can JC become the best mid-sized city in the US?
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reliable efficient frequent public transit (PATH, Bus, HLBRT, etc), or UBER if one is car dependent (has aversion to bikes or public transportation); and bikes make our city more sustainable. Whenever I visit cities in Europe, I rent a bike and go to museums, bars, restaurants, clubs, etc. It's quite easy. You should try it Yvonne.


http://www.dac.dk/en/dac-cities/susta ... kes-and-buses-fewer-cars/

http://latintrade.com/2014/03/wef-sus ... s-depends-on-urban-design

Posted on: 2014/7/31 14:43
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Re: Berry Lane Park
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Quote:

Monroe wrote:
Delisle gave a great presentation at the Morris Canal Community Development meeting last month on the park. If they can ever get the Whitlock Cordage project completed it would really anchor the area, along with Lafayette Park nearby as well. With a couple of new properties being developed east towards LSP the neighborhood will get a good boost overall.


Agreed.

Posted on: 2014/7/30 19:29
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Re: Korean restaurant
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Where will you be located? Are you doing a kickstarter which gives patrons/benefactors a perk? My freshman year roommate was Korean and fell in love with the cuisine instantaneously.

Posted on: 2014/7/29 17:42
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Re: How can JC become the best mid-sized city in the US?
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-- Better Schools (not just downtown)

-- Safety on Streets/Less Crime

-- More Sustainability (Biking, Recycling, More Solar, Good retailers that espouse corporate social responsibility: Wegman's, Pret-a-Manger, etc.)

-- Varied Nightlife Options aside from beer gardens/sports bars and pizza in all of its incarnations (is there anyway to get some nightlife, not boisterous bars, on the waterfront like Hoboken, a jazz lounge, supper club, indie movie theater like a Landmark Sunshine or Roberts Chatham, etc.)

-- Continued Diversity in all aspects

-- Better Recreation, Public Spaces and more Green Space (the 6th Street Embankment coming to fruition).



Posted on: 2014/7/29 14:12
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Re: News 12 New Jersey reporter defends controversial comments on 'young black men' -- but quits
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Middle class or affluent blacks are not impervious to racist incidents or racism in general (e.g. Oprah shopping) and most blacks will tell you that. So what if Obama grew up in Kansas, Hawaii and Indonesia. If anything, I like the fact he didn't grow in a cloistered world like the majority of the GOP (Ann & Mitt Romney). I grew up in basically an all white middle-class neighborhood with swim & tennis clubs, nice parks, etc. and we could only afford to live there because both of my parents worked in contrast to the other families. And yes most of my friends were white growing up and we got along but that doesn't negate the fact that I knew from a very early age that my race would be an issue for some at times. Being from Greenville doesn't make you authentically black as the black experience runs the gamut.

Forest, a celebrity, was reminded that his color matters to some or a means to profile. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02 ... -york-deli_n_2719712.html

Posted on: 2014/7/24 22:00
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Re: News 12 New Jersey reporter defends controversial comments on 'young black men' -- but quits
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Quote:

Monroe wrote:
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VanVorster wrote:
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Monroe wrote:
Heights, closed to 100% of black votes went to Obama in both elections, showing how they identify him. Of course, if close to 100% of white voters voted for the white candidates, it would be called racism.

So yes, black Americans overwhelmingly claim President Obama as their own, regardless of his bi-racial roots or where his father was from.


Um no, rather blacks had basic common sense in not casting their votes for McCain/Palin (the mere prospect of her being president if something happened to McCain is mind boggling) and Romney/Ryan (binders full of women, corporations are people, 47% of people are leeches when he hardly pays any taxes and a party that relishes going to war).

Also, sometimes mixed people identify as black in part because of how they are perceived and treated (I think Obama said something about him having trouble getting cabs in NYC when he was younger and saying the cab drivers weren't thinking, "oh my mom is white and I was raised by white people"). My father is basically bi-racial and that did not help him in the Jim Crow south. I swear the troglodytes on here, Geez Louise.


Nonsense. And noted that although black voter turnout was huge for Obama's first win, his first term resulted in a considerably lower black turnout in his second election. Guess the novelty wore off, or (more likely) his rhetoric didn't result in personal improvements. (Same thing happened with the white college kids-lots of voter apathy in election 2012).

Please compare the black unemployment rates since Obama was elected, vs, say, how the Dow Jones has done. One hasn't improved, the other has reached record highs. Who's been the beneficiary of his policies? Not those black Amercans who voted for him, especially the unemployed youth. And I don't want to hear about an obstructionist Congress, as Obama had the whole shebang in his pocket for his first two years and frittered it away.

Obama's bi-racial profile may have stopped him from getting cabs, but he was quite the playa with the white Ivy league college girls-good for him, bad for the sistas! :)


Oh many blacks have fared worse (much it from subprime predatory lending and there being a dearth of jobs - middle class and otherwise -- and that people often get jobs through networks and there's entrenched occupational segregation) and yes an obstructionist congress doesn't help either. As the aphorism goes with respect to a bad economy, "when whites have a cold, blacks have a fever."

http://www.fromthesquare.org/?p=5783

http://rollingout.com/politics/employ ... ks-feed-their-families/#_


Sistas? Monroe, really. Sigh, are you as pathetic in real life as you appear in the virtual world? How is dating white girls remotely relevant to this conversation? Many people date across racial lines, including myself based on shared values, interests, attraction, etc. And how is that good for him? Are white women a prize? It's like you came from the 1800s or something.

Posted on: 2014/7/24 21:01
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Re: News 12 New Jersey reporter defends controversial comments on 'young black men' -- but quits
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Well I'm from the Caribbean too and have had a different experience from you.


Oh, interesting. http://ottawacitizen.com/news/nationa ... urprising-growth-industry

Posted on: 2014/7/24 19:17
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Re: News 12 New Jersey reporter defends controversial comments on 'young black men' -- but quits
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Condi didn't support Obama. she supported Romney and McCain. Colin probably switched allegiances because he saw what Cheney/Bush had done to this country, bogus wars based on false information and realized he was duped like the rest of us and didn't want to repeat the past. Devils, not trying to convince you as you're simply lost; and quite frankly, you're akin to a pestering fly you want to swat because it just won't go away but you're resigned to its presence. yes, we all have biases, I'm just actually aware of mine and I don't dismiss what other people might experience.

Posted on: 2014/7/24 19:15
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Re: News 12 New Jersey reporter defends controversial comments on 'young black men' -- but quits
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Quote:

fat-ass-bike wrote:
http://www.thetoptens.com/most-racist-countries/

The US wins every poll.


I don't find this surprising at all. Several of my black friends from college and grad school went abroad to raise their children/have families (Europe, Africa) and a few to the Caribbean. I think racism is just an intrinsic part of this country because it's in its DNA given its fraught history. I've always traveled abroad (Europe, South America, Central America, Caribbean, Canada) and I honestly feel less aware of being a POC elsewhere than I do in the United States. Many of my friends feel the same. I think because when traveling, foreigners take me for simply being American.

?Racism is so universal in this country, so widespread, and deep-seated, that it is invisible because it is so normal.?


? Shirley Chisholm

Posted on: 2014/7/24 19:09
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Re: News 12 New Jersey reporter defends controversial comments on 'young black men' -- but quits
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Quote:

Monroe wrote:
Heights, closed to 100% of black votes went to Obama in both elections, showing how they identify him. Of course, if close to 100% of white voters voted for the white candidates, it would be called racism.

So yes, black Americans overwhelmingly claim President Obama as their own, regardless of his bi-racial roots or where his father was from.


Um no, rather blacks had basic common sense in not casting their votes for McCain/Palin (the mere prospect of her being president if something happened to McCain is mind boggling) and Romney/Ryan (binders full of women, corporations are people, 47% of people are leeches when he hardly pays any taxes and a party that relishes going to war).

Also, sometimes mixed people identify as black in part because of how they are perceived and treated (I think Obama said something about him having trouble getting cabs in NYC when he was younger and saying the cab drivers weren't thinking, "oh my mom is white and I was raised by white people"). My father is basically bi-racial and that did not help him in the Jim Crow south. I swear the troglodytes on here, Geez Louise.

Posted on: 2014/7/24 18:54
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Re: News 12 New Jersey reporter defends controversial comments on 'young black men' -- but quits
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jctexan wrote:
I don't think knowing a certain number of black people on a deep level allows you to know what "black people" are like as a race/group. That's racism by definition (racial stereotyping that directly leads to racism). All people are unique. You can't apply a few qualities/ideals of a few black people to an entire race; it doesn't work that way.

I think Pebble makes some great points. This argument/discussion should be about poverty, not about black people. I think that's the biggest problem with what that reporter said.


Perhaps I wasn't clear. Yes, I agree with you simply knowing black people (or any other group for that matter) on a deep level does of course does not mean you know what "black people" are like as group/race. We're not a monolithic group anymore than whites are and the black experience is multi-faceted. However, I find that several of the posters on here are seemingly bereft of any context of history and oblivious to how life might operate for them (because they are white) versus others who have black skin; and just read the National Review and watch Fox News and profess to have all the answers (e.g. "blacks be like Asians," "just don't wear hoodies or saggy pants and you won't get shot, duh" "well maybe that guy provoked the cops into the chokehold and he shouldn't have been obese" "we're all the same, we're post racial damn it, we have a black man for President for Christ's sake"). And when one doesn't have any friends who aren't black (or Asian, Latino, Gay, Disabled), it can sometimes lead to nonsense like this incident with Bill O'Reilly. I have plenty of close white friends (since elementary school) and some have told me how much they've learned about race that they wouldn't otherwise have known or thought about. http://mediamatters.org/research/2007 ... o-difference-betwe/139893

Deluded in thinking we're post racial:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_an ... about_bias_prejudice.html

Why there is sometimes mistrust and disdain for cops in inner city communities; and I already shared with you my unpleasant encounters with JC cops in contrast to a white female friend of mine:

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationn ... 0140722-story.html#page=1

Ignorance can be bliss or a way to inoculate oneself to realities. And what's truly sad is that once someone mentions race on here, some of you or rather the usual 5 or 6 people on here readily discount it like it's sheer nonsense make believe and in a very mean-spirited repugnant manner I might add. Perhaps give it some credence for those who actually endure it.
http://www.dailydot.com/opinion/17-things-yes-all-black-people/

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Re: News 12 New Jersey reporter defends controversial comments on 'young black men' -- but quits
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Funny how some people on here pontificate without probably knowing any black people on a deep serious level save for their one casual black friend to make them feel they aren't racist or susceptible to their own confirmation bias.

http://www.theroot.com/articles/polit ... d_on_other_factors.1.html

Posted on: 2014/7/23 15:01
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Re: What's going there?
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The place next to Skinners or LITM (think the signage says Gotham something on the side of the building) should be a boutique hotel along the lines of Wyeth Hotel in Brooklyn or the Ace Hotel in NoMad. Think it would attract a lot of tourists, and locals who have friends visiting but can't accommodate them in their apartments, etc. We already have a decent array of big hotels (Westin, Doubletree, Hyatt, Marriott Courtyard, soon another Marriott in Liberty Harbor) and some extended stay options, but think there should be a boutique hotel on the newly coined/minted Entertainment Restaurant Row.

Posted on: 2014/7/23 14:16
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Re: News 12 New Jersey reporter defends controversial comments on 'young black men' -- but quits
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Elitist perhaps and most likely racist or at least you definitely know how to come off like one given your posts. Perhaps it's your communication style, watching lots of Fox or just not knowing how to use your words. Oh and that's cute, merely mentioning sexism or racism is inherently anti-male and anti-white, respectively, which means don't raise it.

This is worth viewing for those interested.

http://www.motherjones.com/mixed-medi ... tem-sesame-street-puppets

Posted on: 2014/7/21 22:29
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Re: In Jersey City, a sidewalk memorial honors a cop killer
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While I abhor and lament the sentiments of the widow (kill more cops), it would be folly to not try to understand why some people feel a deep mistrust and antipathy for cops and easily dismiss them without getting any insights into why they feel that way. I've lived in Jersey City for quite some time. In that time, I've been stopped twice by Jersey City cops for making turns when I didn't realize I couldn't. In both instances, I was shocked and dismayed by the manner they addressed me (one using expletives, "pull the F over now!" spittle and all getting on my car, and am convinced he was a part of the steroids debacle years back because he was so irate and muscle-bound and his anger toward me made no sense and out of proportion to the matter). And I did wonder to myself, "if I, an upper-middle class POC, get treated this way, how is it for POC in less affluent areas of JC/elsewhere." Then a third time, I was pulled over as a passenger with a white female friend of mine from high school who was driving her SUV, visiting from Colts Neck and my jaw dropped in how she was treated (politely/smiling "hi ma'am, know why I pulled you over" and she was let go with a warning with her cheery adieu of "thnx officer!" whereas I've never received a warning in my life). yes, it's a anecdote; and, yes these were all different cops so it's not unequivocally clear (it would have been certain if these were all the same cops) but I do think race AND signifiers of class/wealth play a role in how one is treated by police (e.g. I do think some whites are also treated shabbily by the police but I would wager its whites who don't appear well-off, have a certain zip code or present themselves in a certain manner - dress, speech, etc. And some of you like Geraldo know that already in saying "well maybe if Trayvon didn't have saggy pants or a hoodie" "black men should dress better so this won't happen" -- respectability politics). It would be good if some of you could get out of your bubbles, decisive know it all attitude and espouse Roger Ebert's philosophy of what it might be like to live in someone else's shoes or fathom what it's like for them.



http://newblackman.blogspot.com/2014/ ... -by-brothers-writing.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wor ... oman-in-head-9585264.html

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/tavissmiley/t ... ison-pipeline-fact-sheet/

Posted on: 2014/7/21 22:12

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Re: News 12 New Jersey reporter defends controversial comments on 'young black men' -- but quits
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calling trailer park people trash and some Asians ghetto rats is quite telling of the kind of person you are. Not that I didn't know it already.

Posted on: 2014/7/21 20:21
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Re: News 12 New Jersey reporter defends controversial comments on 'young black men' -- but quits
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Dude, do you even think before you write? "Blacks just adopt Asian culture" as though that's a panacea for everything. Do you even know black people besides what you see on television or read in newspapers? Blacks are not a monolithic group and Asian culture is not one-dimensional with all purported tiger moms. Also, are you sharing your admonishments and exhortations for white people in trailer parks, middle america Ohio, Kearny and the ailing suburbs. I mean it sounds like you figured out the problem for the rest of us in looking at the answer key, good job!


http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/ ... inese-20140123-story.html

http://www.asian-nation.org/model-minority.shtml

Posted on: 2014/7/21 18:21
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Re: Want to 'kill white people,' says Jersey City man arrested trying to cut through funeral procession
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Oh that's rich coming from the likes of you devils. You're one of the toxic ones that I didn't specifically mention in my previous post. Stop projecting. I merely identify why so many people were upset about Zimmerman's acquittal in non-provocative language no less in contrast to your zealous defense of him and others like him, and that's supposed to be anti-white or racist against whites. So if a woman mentions the specter of sexism, she's anti-male I guess. No, thanks for playing though.



http://thoughtcatalog.com/erin-cosset ... eople-who-dont-see-color/

Posted on: 2014/7/21 17:27
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Re: Want to 'kill white people,' says Jersey City man arrested trying to cut through funeral procession
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I agree with Radryan from just a cursory review of JCList postings. When I first came to this site, it felt more like a community group; and overtime with an influx of more and more people, felt less cohesive and people feeling comfortable being either subtly racist to blatantly racist (especially anti-black and Muslim). I attribute it to our nation's seemingly inexorable and growing class divide which is linked race, incessant FOX brainwashing (some of the new posters here sound like they have it downloaded to their brains and just spout the rhetoric) and some feeling blacks/Latinos/Muslims should leave (someone posted as much awhile back saying "can all the white people come to Wayne Street to show we won't tolerate this anymore" rather than stating "concerned or civic minded citizens"). As a POC, I think I readily observe this phenomenon more than some others.

http://www.denofgeek.us/movies/the-pu ... eed-for-the-purge-anarchy

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/19/nyr ... ivisions-are-exposed.html

Posted on: 2014/7/21 16:20
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Re: News 12 New Jersey reporter defends controversial comments on 'young black men' -- but quits
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Insightful and why conservatives are so myopic in trying to validate their prejudices and confirmation bias http://gawker.com/fox-news-wants-raci ... be-more-racist-1607266682

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