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Re: Downtown Jersey City businesses take on local farmers market
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What???
The price of my rent is set by the market. The price of a space at the Grove Street Plaza isn't. Am I missing something? As I said, the vendors at the plaza are receiving a subsidized, below market rent, plain and simple.


Wait a second, your argument is invalid. If the price of a tent at grove is cheaper than a brick and mortar store, that makes perfect sense actually. The vendor provides everything except the physical space in which to operate. It's a piece of concrete. Of course it's going to cost significantly less!


No. The pizza guy has a point. Under market conditions, that highly desirable concrete area near the grove path would be privately owned and likely put to more profitable use than a Farmer's market twice a week for part of the year. That's not to say the Farmer's Market wouldn't happen under entirely different conditions. And if pop-ups were completely unrestricted, on private property thoughout the city, and became very popular, that would likely drive down the cost of rent for restaurants.

Posted on: 2014/10/10 14:13
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Re: Downtown Jersey City businesses take on local farmers market
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I, too, would like to know the full list of 17 whiners, so I can refrain from patronizing them. That must be part of the public record somewhere. Two Boots has already mentioned some of them, and with the exception of La Conguita, all serve pretty mediocre food. Ibbys was good when I first moved to JC a dozen years ago, but the quality has slipped noticeably over the past five years or so. Aaron, your pizza is OK, but I think your bigger problem is an oversaturation of pizza joints in a very small area. If I want empanadas, that's what I'm gonna get. Forcing them from the market isn't gonna drive me to pick up something else at Two Boots or any other restaurant.


I've been living in JC on and off for over 7 years and eat at Ibbys regularly. I have not noticed any major differences in their food.

Posted on: 2014/10/10 14:07
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Re: Downtown Jersey City businesses take on local farmers market
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Thanks for reading. Of course, I disagree with every point you made. Here's my analogy. You don't get orchestra seats for the price of standing room. That's pretty much the way our capitalist system works (whether you're on the left or right politically). The farmer's market completely subverts that and provides a subsidy to outside, non brick and mortar businesses by offering them below market rent. It's bad economics and definitely unfair to those of us who pay market rates. If you disagree with these tenets of a market economy, you might want to try living in Venezuela.

And, by the way, I think Ibby's is fantastic.


First off, I'm a big fan of Two Boots. Thanks for bringing great pizza to JC. I also appreciate that you have come here to take the time to intelligently and politely express your thoughts, even at the risk of some people holding that against you. You seem to be exactly the kind of thoughtful and community-driven person that we are lucky to have running a business in Jersey City.

I want to mention that the sort of capitalist system you are describing gets a bit murky when dealing with non-market based costs and factors. You mentioned, for example, that you are subject to government-imposed fees and taxes which the Farmers Market vendors aren't required to pay (or they pay substantially less I suppose). It's a huge mistake to say that it's somehow more true to capitalism to prevent the Farmers Market vendors from conducting business. In fact, the market solution would be to roll back the fees and taxes you are required to pay. Of course, hell would sooner freeze over before that would happen. So you're stuck with them.

Another complicating factor is that the vendors are operating on public land. Who knows, but there is a decent chance that brick and mortar restaurants would buy that land up under a market-based system in which the land was privately held. Or, maybe the owner of the land in that area would come to some sort of arrangement with nearby restaurants to block out the pop-up competition. Or, maybe the going market rate to use the space for the pop-ups would be much higher. These things are impossible to predict for sure because they happen naturally in a market based system--which again is not what is really in play here.

Another thing to consider is that if the pop-ups could freely operate under privately negotiated license by private land-holders (rather than Jersey City's arbitrarily decided prices and conditions), that might push down the price of rent due to the competition. When you have artificial and ever-changing rules, that makes it more difficult for entrepreneurs like yourself to operate and make predictions. It's a crumby spot to be in for an entrepreneur like yourself.

As it stands, unfortunately, the decision to permit or ban the pop-ups on public areas will be made arbitrarily and artificially based on things like who screams the loudest, who has the most political clout or who can influence government officials (using legal and illegal means). That's a shame, but it's the reality of dealing with government.

I am only pointing these considerations out because you have emphasized how the market and capitalism fit into the case you have stated. As much as I like the farmer's market (on the rare occasion I get home early enough to check it out), I sympathize with the points you are making.

Posted on: 2014/10/9 21:47
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Re: Downtown Jersey City businesses take on local farmers market
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I do think that it has gotten a bit crazy lately with all the restaurants doing stands down at the market. Personally I prefer and would rather more actual veggie farmers (though the 3 we have are very good) and more special artisan goods (like jams, cheese, maple syrup & honey, breads, baked goods etc) vs pre-made takeout from local places that I already order from


Totally agree - however, this season I've twice seen butchers/poulterers set up stalls once or twice and then disappear. Maybe there isn't the demand.
And yes, my goal for the day was to use the word poulterer in a written sentence.


we had that one fishmonger who came for almost a whole summer about 3 years ago now but only on the monday I think. I would love to see a fish person back....


That would be awesome!! Are there currently any places in Jersey City to get good fresh fish?

Posted on: 2014/10/9 15:55
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Re: Downtown Jersey City businesses take on local farmers market
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I go out to a restaurant not just for the food, but for the service and experience. I also go for food that I cannot make at home.

I go to the bar to drink and be social with others.

If I pick up food at the farmers market that is prepared it is because I want to eat that at that moment or go straight home with it because I have 0 desire to cook that night.

Service at restaurants in Jersey city is abysmal. I eat at very few restaurants in town because of this.

If you want people to come have an inspired menu, that is executed well, and normal service.

Two Boots I have no idea why their business drops they have pretty good pizza.


Really? Bad service? You're going to all the wrong places!

Posted on: 2014/10/9 15:53
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Re: Downtown Jersey City businesses take on local farmers market
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if your goal is to fill empty storefronts and replace discount/dollar stores, then the city's use of public spaces (the plaza) should support that effort, not hurt it.



That's a fair point. But is the goal to fill them at any cost? Does it make sense of them ALL to be filled with pizza places, which is generally what has been happening lately? I would imagine that the businesses that are being harmed most by the "food court-esk" farmers market are the grab and go type places like pizza joints. There is apparently big demand for that type of food, which is why the farmers market has been so successful.

Posted on: 2014/10/9 15:51
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Re: Downtown Jersey City businesses take on local farmers market
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I think it's time to boycott Jeff Fabia's business. I for one will never step foot in his complex on grove square again. He's been trying to get in the way of the farmer's market ever since he opened up.


I went to the Bistro once for brunch. We waited over an hour+ after ordering a 2 omlets (seriously, that's not an exaggeration). After complaining to the waiter once, Jeff went and hid in the back. When the food finally came out, it was not at all what we ordered. We decided to leave and will not be back.

Posted on: 2014/10/9 15:39
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Re: Jersey City seeks 20-year tax break for hotel outside Grove Street PATH station
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I think directly on top of the round Path entrance on Marin Blvd. I think it will go as high as the "rough" western face of the new skyscraper that is currently being built. That portion was left rough because this hotel be built right up against it, up to that height.


Thanks! You just killed 2 birds with one stone. I have been wondering why that new skyscrapper was built with an ugly solid cement wall running up the bottom third or so of the building facing the path. Your answer makes perfect sense.

Posted on: 2014/10/9 14:54
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Re: Jersey City seeks 20-year tax break for hotel outside Grove Street PATH station
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Does anyone know the *precise* location where this is going?

Posted on: 2014/10/8 15:48
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Re: Whole Foods in JC?
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it's not even the population density, but the demographic - downtown jersey city is full of mid/high income residents who are health/organic focused - the perfect target audience for WF. Not to mention i can count at least 10 highrise rental towers coming in the next 2 years to this area increasing the population density even further.

Yet WF chose to overlock jersey city in favor of suburbs with far less density and more competition. No wonder their stock is down by 30%+ YTD. What a bunch of idiots.


Is JC the "perfect" target for Whole Foods? I'm not so sure. A lot of the DT-JC residents are extremely frugal savers relative to New Yorkers, which is why they live in DT JC rather than NYC in the first place.

That's obviously a generalization, but I think it's particularly true among the two major foreign cultures that have moved into DT JC en masse. They also tend to concentrate their food shopping at grocery stores that specialize in food from their native countries.

I'm not suggesting any negative connotation here--it's GOOD to save. I'm just pointing out what Whole Foods has likely considered as they analyze demographics and neighbors for their business strategy.

I think that analysis will change as more and more of these rental projects are completed, because of growth in the sheer number of potential shoppers.


I have noticed lots of people on the lightrail with Whole Foods shopping bags believe it or not these are mostly GV, BL and Bayonne residents why would they need one in Jersey City when you can go one stop on the PATH.. or pick up groceries b4 getting on the PATH


They are also taking the ferry because of its proximity to the store. I see it sometimes, but not a lot.

Posted on: 2014/9/30 23:23
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Re: Whole Foods in JC?
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it's not even the population density, but the demographic - downtown jersey city is full of mid/high income residents who are health/organic focused - the perfect target audience for WF. Not to mention i can count at least 10 highrise rental towers coming in the next 2 years to this area increasing the population density even further.

Yet WF chose to overlock jersey city in favor of suburbs with far less density and more competition. No wonder their stock is down by 30%+ YTD. What a bunch of idiots.


Is JC the "perfect" target for Whole Foods? I'm not so sure. A lot of the DT-JC residents are extremely frugal savers relative to New Yorkers, which is why they live in DT JC rather than NYC in the first place.

That's obviously a generalization, but I think it's particularly true among the two major foreign cultures that have moved into DT JC en masse. They also tend to concentrate their food shopping at grocery stores that specialize in food from their native countries.

I'm not suggesting any negative connotation here--it's GOOD to save. I'm just pointing out what Whole Foods has likely considered as they analyze demographics and neighbors for their business strategy.

I think that analysis will change as more and more of these rental projects are completed, because of growth in the sheer number of potential shoppers.

Posted on: 2014/9/30 22:41
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Re: East Village Apartments Sit Empty Because Rent Is Too High, Report Says
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There is place down there that is almost 7k with bars on the window. LOL Sorry but smart folks wont think its worth it.


It has 5 bedrooms!

Posted on: 2014/9/15 14:09
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Re: Speed bump between 8th and 9th on Erie.
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Is way to big. Ive seen a dozen cars mess up there front ends hitting it. Also. there are 2 stop signs 300 feet from each other, why do you need a freaking speed bump.
Someone please explain why this oversized hidden unnecessary speed bump exists?


I guess you must not pay attention to the way people drive around this area on a regular basis? The general area between Hamilton Park and Newark needs a lot more speed bumps.

And, even more importantly, no parking should be permitted near intersections. No one can see pedestrians or other cars coming.

Posted on: 2014/9/15 13:47
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Re: Isn't enough space' on street, so park in garages
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The problem in Jersey City as is the problem in Hoboken is that parking permits are greatly undervalued. Market rate parking is between $150 to $300 a month depending on where you park. That street parking permits are 1% the cost of parking in a garage. That's the problem. Raise the cost of a street permit to $1,800 a year and more people will park in garages.


Now you're talking. Heck, raise it to 5 percent of the real value and we could use that money to fill a lot of potholes.


This makes sense to me as well.

The problem is, the city would likely just use the money as general funds to waste on ancient pension obligations or whatever else. It would be great if there was a way to earmark the money to fund parking and street maintenance within the local communities.

Posted on: 2014/9/11 19:10
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Re: Massive PATH and Hudson River Crossings Toll Increase
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So we will be paying more but we still get the same crowded trains that stop in Hoboken with no additional weekend service and no weekend WTC. great.

This was all pre-established back in 2011. Instead of raising the fare $1 they raised it 25 cents a year for only a 4 year span.


$2.50 ferry on weekend is much better than WTC path.

But the weekend Hoboken stop on the way to 33rd is painful.




Posted on: 2014/9/10 17:12
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Re: Would 'bus rapid transit' help spur development in JC outside of DT?
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This article from YIMBY (an NYC-oriented development blog) had this article about the need to facilitate denser development in the "outer" boroughs. It acknowledges the impracticality of expanding the subway system; a parallel problem exists in JC, where expanding PATH will probably not happen for the same reasons, and outlines ways to enhance bus service - dedicated lanes, pre-payment of fares, etc.

How could that happen - and who would a citizen need to lobby - in, say, the Heights?

http://newyorkyimby.com/2014/09/can-b ... d77889dce0-105542349&ct=t(YIMBY_News_Sep_6th_2014)


No, it would not. But like the light rail, it would transport a ton of people from other parts of JC to the downtown area. Especially the mall. People outside of downtown area love going to the mall.

Posted on: 2014/9/9 15:31
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Re: City lost the law suit against Varick and Bright Developer!!
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The community, should have been before the planning board negotiating a workable site plan, not in the gallery of a court room watching the city attorneys get trounced!


Why isn't the development "workable"?

Posted on: 2014/9/9 15:02
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Re: Embankment- Update Thread
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http://hudsoncountyview.com/fulop-adm ... -sixth-street-embankment/

Somebody please tell me this isn't true.


From the article:

"EDITOR?S NOTE: This article has been updated to explain the STB definition of an OFA, and acknowledge other language in the ordinance leaving open other options for the future of the Sixth Street Embankment."

Looks like it might just be a part of their legal strategy to get the land.

Posted on: 2014/9/8 19:29
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Re: City lost the law suit against Varick and Bright Developer!!
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This is interesting. I hadn't heard about this before. As a resident of downtown, I sympathize with the public parking concerns. But, on the flip side, what a great way to bring affordable housing to Jersey City without government subsidies. Also, any time you move in next to vacant property in a rapidly growing city, you have to expect that there will be growth.

Posted on: 2014/9/8 19:23
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Re: Special Meeting over Embankment and Bright Varick
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He seems like a jerk. But holy holey, cut a deal already and stop wasting time and money on the litigation. Even if he can develop some of the area and a park goes on the rest, that's far better for Jersey City than this eternal stalemate.

Posted on: 2014/9/4 15:28
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Re: 70 Green Street
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The market is really excellent, basically a miniature Whole Foods that carries pretty much everything anyone short of a professional chef could want, though the prices are also about on par with Whole Foods.



As a PH resident, I wish that was true! Among other issues, the produce and other fresh food is limited and not so great. They do have lots of Whole Foods-like options for dry/boxed/canned foods. I'm certainly happy to have the option to shop there when the alternative was only shopright (hell on earth) just a few years back.

Posted on: 2014/9/3 16:37
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Re: Ahris Kitchen: Korean food in downtown Jersey City
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This is awesome!! I am looking forward to trying your food. It will be so nice to get real Korean food without having to drive to Fort Lee or take the path to K-Town.

Posted on: 2014/9/3 16:10
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Re: PATH Riders Cry for Chivalry
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Re: "Baby on Board" stickers (See quote below)

What an awesome idea!!! Wear the sticker (or a button) if you are pregnant and want a seat. If you do, I guarantee you'll get a seat every time from guys who are otherwise terrified of making a mistake or just would prefer not to give up their seat to a non-pregnant person. And then if you don't wear the sticker, it's really hard to complain...

From the article:


Meanwhile, Freeman is also asking that stickers be passed out saying "Baby on Board" for pregnant women to wear, because sometimes it isn't obvious, especially in the winter when people are wearing coats, she said.



Posted on: 2014/8/18 19:39
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Re: PATH Riders Cry for Chivalry
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I twice offered my seat to a women who I thought were definitely pregnant and NOPE. Ouch! To avoid these circumstances, I think I'd just avoid taking a seat at all if I didn't have a really serious leg injury.

Posted on: 2014/8/18 19:28
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Re: PATH Riders Cry for Chivalry
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I twice offered my seat to a women who I thought were definitely pregnant and NOPE. Ouch! To avoid these circumstances, I think I'd just avoid taking a seat at all if I didn't have a really serious leg injury.

Posted on: 2014/8/18 19:28
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Re: New to Hamilton Park / Van Vorst Park
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As many have said, both general areas are pretty safe. As you go west of the parks, it's probably somewhat less safe (although, still generally safe). As a very general rule of thumb, the more east you go (i.e. closer to the river), the less crime there is and real estate prices increase.

Posted on: 2014/6/23 19:47
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Re: Taqueria Viva Mexico Kitchen Cafe - 133 Morris Street
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When I was walking by on Sunday (6/22) I stopped to peak into the window. A guy came out of the store and told me it would be re-opening this week.

Posted on: 2014/6/23 19:31
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Re: Trump Plaza - Jersey City
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For the record, I don't own or rent there (or know anyone who does). But have a few thoughts about your stupid comment:

First off, I'm guessing your sentiment is just part of your enthusiasm for your own investment, which competes with Trump. If Trump is a "dump" as you say, then I wonder how you would describe the living conditions of a huge portion of the world's population.

Second, dump or not, if you bought in Trump around 2009/2010, you're doing pretty well for yourself investment wise right now--probably even more so than a bunch of the other luxury high rises. Not sure how long that will last...

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Trump is a dump!!! I looked at a place in that building a few years back. Wasn't Trump formerly a rental? Have they even sold all the units? I remember 1-2 years ago seeing a sign on the building or somewhere (can't remember exactly) along the lines of 75% sold or something like that and i was thinking to myself why the hell has it taken them so long to sell all the units.

In my opinion, 77 Hudson is quite nice and all around a much better product than Trump, although I personally wouldn't spend the money they're asking.

Posted on: 2014/5/9 19:41
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Re: Fields Development Reports Waldo Lofts Now 90% Sold in Jersey City's Powerhouse Arts District
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It was really strange to merge the OP's new topic post with this one. It think maybe a mod was just randomly looking for something to do.

Posted on: 2013/9/19 22:49
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Re: Dixon Mills in downtown Jersey City - concerns
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Have you looked at other mid-rises? - Gulls Cove & Fulton's Landing come to mind. Both are vastly better than DM


I would imagine that they are also a bit pricier on a per square foot basis.

Posted on: 2013/9/19 22:45
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