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TwoBootsJC wrote:
What???
The price of my rent is set by the market. The price of a space at the Grove Street Plaza isn't. Am I missing something? As I said, the vendors at the plaza are receiving a subsidized, below market rent, plain and simple.

Wait a second, your argument is invalid. If the price of a tent at grove is cheaper than a brick and mortar store, that makes perfect sense actually. The vendor provides everything except the physical space in which to operate. It's a piece of concrete. Of course it's going to cost significantly less!

JadedJC wrote:
I, too, would like to know the full list of 17 whiners, so I can refrain from patronizing them. That must be part of the public record somewhere. Two Boots has already mentioned some of them, and with the exception of La Conguita, all serve pretty mediocre food. Ibbys was good when I first moved to JC a dozen years ago, but the quality has slipped noticeably over the past five years or so. Aaron, your pizza is OK, but I think your bigger problem is an oversaturation of pizza joints in a very small area. If I want empanadas, that's what I'm gonna get. Forcing them from the market isn't gonna drive me to pick up something else at Two Boots or any other restaurant.

TwoBootsJC wrote:
Thanks for reading. Of course, I disagree with every point you made. Here's my analogy. You don't get orchestra seats for the price of standing room. That's pretty much the way our capitalist system works (whether you're on the left or right politically). The farmer's market completely subverts that and provides a subsidy to outside, non brick and mortar businesses by offering them below market rent. It's bad economics and definitely unfair to those of us who pay market rates. If you disagree with these tenets of a market economy, you might want to try living in Venezuela.

And, by the way, I think Ibby's is fantastic.

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I do think that it has gotten a bit crazy lately with all the restaurants doing stands down at the market. Personally I prefer and would rather more actual veggie farmers (though the 3 we have are very good) and more special artisan goods (like jams, cheese, maple syrup & honey, breads, baked goods etc) vs pre-made takeout from local places that I already order from

Totally agree - however, this season I've twice seen butchers/poulterers set up stalls once or twice and then disappear. Maybe there isn't the demand.
And yes, my goal for the day was to use the word poulterer in a written sentence.

we had that one fishmonger who came for almost a whole summer about 3 years ago now but only on the monday I think. I would love to see a fish person back....

trambone wrote:
I go out to a restaurant not just for the food, but for the service and experience. I also go for food that I cannot make at home.

I go to the bar to drink and be social with others.

If I pick up food at the farmers market that is prepared it is because I want to eat that at that moment or go straight home with it because I have 0 desire to cook that night.

Service at restaurants in Jersey city is abysmal. I eat at very few restaurants in town because of this.

If you want people to come have an inspired menu, that is executed well, and normal service.

Two Boots I have no idea why their business drops they have pretty good pizza.

DanL wrote:
if your goal is to fill empty storefronts and replace discount/dollar stores, then the city's use of public spaces (the plaza) should support that effort, not hurt it.

kencares wrote:
I think it's time to boycott Jeff Fabia's business. I for one will never step foot in his complex on grove square again. He's been trying to get in the way of the farmer's market ever since he opened up.

tommyc_37 wrote:
I think directly on top of the round Path entrance on Marin Blvd. I think it will go as high as the "rough" western face of the new skyscraper that is currently being built. That portion was left rough because this hotel be built right up against it, up to that height.

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jcguy05 wrote:
it's not even the population density, but the demographic - downtown jersey city is full of mid/high income residents who are health/organic focused - the perfect target audience for WF. Not to mention i can count at least 10 highrise rental towers coming in the next 2 years to this area increasing the population density even further.

Yet WF chose to overlock jersey city in favor of suburbs with far less density and more competition. No wonder their stock is down by 30%+ YTD. What a bunch of idiots.

Is JC the "perfect" target for Whole Foods? I'm not so sure. A lot of the DT-JC residents are extremely frugal savers relative to New Yorkers, which is why they live in DT JC rather than NYC in the first place.

That's obviously a generalization, but I think it's particularly true among the two major foreign cultures that have moved into DT JC en masse. They also tend to concentrate their food shopping at grocery stores that specialize in food from their native countries.

I'm not suggesting any negative connotation here--it's GOOD to save. I'm just pointing out what Whole Foods has likely considered as they analyze demographics and neighbors for their business strategy.

I think that analysis will change as more and more of these rental projects are completed, because of growth in the sheer number of potential shoppers.

I have noticed lots of people on the lightrail with Whole Foods shopping bags believe it or not these are mostly GV, BL and Bayonne residents why would they need one in Jersey City when you can go one stop on the PATH.. or pick up groceries b4 getting on the PATH

jcguy05 wrote:
it's not even the population density, but the demographic - downtown jersey city is full of mid/high income residents who are health/organic focused - the perfect target audience for WF. Not to mention i can count at least 10 highrise rental towers coming in the next 2 years to this area increasing the population density even further.

Yet WF chose to overlock jersey city in favor of suburbs with far less density and more competition. No wonder their stock is down by 30%+ YTD. What a bunch of idiots.

user1111 wrote:
There is place down there that is almost 7k with bars on the window. LOL Sorry but smart folks wont think its worth it.

mikerush wrote:
Is way to big. Ive seen a dozen cars mess up there front ends hitting it. Also. there are 2 stop signs 300 feet from each other, why do you need a freaking speed bump.
Someone please explain why this oversized hidden unnecessary speed bump exists?

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ianmac47 wrote:
The problem in Jersey City as is the problem in Hoboken is that parking permits are greatly undervalued. Market rate parking is between $150 to $300 a month depending on where you park. That street parking permits are 1% the cost of parking in a garage. That's the problem. Raise the cost of a street permit to $1,800 a year and more people will park in garages.

Now you're talking. Heck, raise it to 5 percent of the real value and we could use that money to fill a lot of potholes.

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Fomite wrote:
So we will be paying more but we still get the same crowded trains that stop in Hoboken with no additional weekend service and no weekend WTC. great.

This was all pre-established back in 2011. Instead of raising the fare $1 they raised it 25 cents a year for only a 4 year span.

Wishful_Thinking wrote:
This article from YIMBY (an NYC-oriented development blog) had this article about the need to facilitate denser development in the "outer" boroughs. It acknowledges the impracticality of expanding the subway system; a parallel problem exists in JC, where expanding PATH will probably not happen for the same reasons, and outlines ways to enhance bus service - dedicated lanes, pre-payment of fares, etc.

How could that happen - and who would a citizen need to lobby - in, say, the Heights?

http://newyorkyimby.com/2014/09/can-b ... d77889dce0-105542349&ct=t(YIMBY_News_Sep_6th_2014)

K-Lo wrote:
The community, should have been before the planning board negotiating a workable site plan, not in the gallery of a court room watching the city attorneys get trounced!

dmellonworth wrote:
http://hudsoncountyview.com/fulop-adm ... -sixth-street-embankment/

Somebody please tell me this isn't true.

Yvonne wrote:
Hudson County View:

http://hudsoncountyview.com/lavarro-o ... embankment-bright-varick/

Conformist wrote:

The market is really excellent, basically a miniature Whole Foods that carries pretty much everything anyone short of a professional chef could want, though the prices are also about on par with Whole Foods.

immigrationlawyer wrote:
Trump is a dump!!! I looked at a place in that building a few years back. Wasn't Trump formerly a rental? Have they even sold all the units? I remember 1-2 years ago seeing a sign on the building or somewhere (can't remember exactly) along the lines of 75% sold or something like that and i was thinking to myself why the hell has it taken them so long to sell all the units.

In my opinion, 77 Hudson is quite nice and all around a much better product than Trump, although I personally wouldn't spend the money they're asking.

Have you looked at other mid-rises? - Gulls Cove & Fulton's Landing come to mind. Both are vastly better than DM