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Re: Will Jersey City and Hoboken ever lose Abbott District Status?
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I think what we all should agree on is that the basic theme of Abbott, to throw more money and resources to these school districts, has been an almost complete and utter failure.

Jersey City high schools are among the worst in the state, despite much higher than state average spending. Same with virtually every other Abbott district.

This resource (I'm using Ferris HS) gives you all the information you need to confirm that. Despite spending $4,000 more per student than the state average, and having a student teacher ratio of 10/1 vs the state average of 12/1, Ferris graduates less than 60% of its students-far below the state average of 94%.

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/jam ... erris-high-school-profile

Posted on: 6/5 12:10
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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Murphy wants to raise taxes $1.4 billion, and it's not enough for hero69??

Maybe look into ways to cut spending, we sure don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.
if there was so much fat to be cut, why didn't Christie cut it? are you saying Christie was a failure?


Christie couldn't even cut his own fat. How was he expected to cut the fat from others. As has been mentioned, he did slow the rate of growth, which was out of control when first elected.


He cut the rate increase in half, over 8 years vs the 4 of Corzine. It would've looked even better had Corzine had a second term to keep upping the number. A person with a $10,000 tax bill would have seen it grow to $13,791 under 8 years of Corzine vs $11,716 under 8 years of Christie.

Posted on: 6/5 11:34
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Re: Will Jersey City and Hoboken ever lose Abbott District Status?
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JPHurst choosing Maplewood/South Orange as an example is pretty interesting. He must not know that the combined HS (grammar and middle aren't combined) was created in 1894, which was before Maplewood and South Orange ever became separate towns! And oh, btw, the percentage of minority students at Columbia High School is actually 55%, which is above the state average for high schools. Not exactly a segregated high school. And they've suffered from spending cuts-with a flat school population they've had to shed 5% of teachers in the last 5 years, and because of that the student/teacher ratio has risen to 13/1, above the state average of 12/1. They spend about $17,800 per student vs the state average of $20,570-with a graduation rate that has risen from 87 to 90% over the last five years, despite funding issues and less teachers.

To sum up, trying to make M/SO schools as being exclusionary and segregated vis a vis the nearby Orange HS is kinda silly-besides, Irvington HS is actually closer to Columbia than Orange.

And a few quick points on Orange HS.

Its student/teacher ratio is much better than Columbia, at 10/1.
It spends a ton more money per student, at $24,350!
The graduation rate is an abysmal 74%, 20% below the state average.
Unlike Columbia HS losing teachers over the last five years, Orange has gained 8% more-both schools student population have remained flat.

Posted on: 6/5 10:48
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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Murphy wants to raise taxes $1.4 billion, and it's not enough for hero69??

Maybe look into ways to cut spending, we sure don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.
if there was so much fat to be cut, why didn't Christie cut it? are you saying Christie was a failure?


Christie's biggest accomplishment was dramatically slowing the rate of increase of municipal taxes compared to Corzine (and other previous Governors).
Cutting spending with a 'tax and spend' Democratic Legislature was not really going to happen.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/pol ... perty-taxes-20171025.html

Posted on: 6/5 8:19
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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Hudson County at its corrupt best. JC municipal workers and JC residents working in JC will skate on the 1% payroll tax.

That's going to piss off the bi-partisan bloc now pissed off about school money distribution.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... ity_payroll_tax_bill.html

Posted on: 6/4 21:20
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Re: Will Jersey City and Hoboken ever lose Abbott District Status?
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Easy peasy. Let JC tax its residents to support such computer literacy programs as Princeton and Millburn do. Not only do Princeton and Millburn pay almost 90% of their own school costs, they do so at a far cheaper cost per student than JC, Asbury Park, East Orange/Orange, Camden, and similar schools. Just having JC taxpayers paying their fair share would free up a couple HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS a year to pay for such programs. Why do JC taxpayers refuse to support their own children, that's the question you should answer.

Posted on: 6/4 20:58
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Re: Will Jersey City and Hoboken ever lose Abbott District Status?
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Regarding school district administrative costs, that may be explained in large part due to the salary cap for school district superintendents enacted by Governor Christie.

The school superintendent is the highest paid employee in the school distict. All other administrators, from the school business administrator, assistant superintendent, principals, etc. cascade off/scale down off the compensation of its school superintendent.

Since larger school districts have a higher salary cap for its school superintendent, the same becomes true for its contractually negotitated (noncollectively) administrative staff.

The admin costs you list adhere to that principal. That principal also applies to the private sector, in particular for publicly traded companies. CEO salaries were once upon a time reasonably close to the average worker at the firm. It did not rapidly escalate until they were required to publicly disclose in their SEC filings.

The same is true with school superintendents or if you are a sports fan, athletes, which closley watch what the going rate is for compensation in their field. It is a race to the top. That brought in the salary cap by Christie. School super's salaries (contracts) are publicly disclosed in the board of ed meetimg notes.



I'll research it later, but between when I was in high school and my kids were in high school I'd say there was 2-3X the number of non-teaching admin staff (in the same HS). This weighs much more financially than the salary of, say, a superintendent.

Posted on: 6/4 20:34
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Re: Will Jersey City and Hoboken ever lose Abbott District Status?
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To mayor Wilhelm, diversity trumps excellence, even if it dumbs education down. In a perverse way, Wilhelm screws children of color by vehemently opposing charter schools, but then wants to champion them by lowering admission standards to elite schools. Go figure.

Posted on: 6/4 20:14
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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Murphy wants to raise taxes $1.4 billion, and it's not enough for hero69??

Maybe look into ways to cut spending, we sure don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.

Posted on: 6/4 14:56
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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why isn't nj actively thinking about increasing gas, cigarette and alcohol taxes. What about revenue from legalized marijuana.

so far, i have been UNDERWHELMED by Sweeney...the guys seems to be lacking although he is a vast improvement over that last clown.


You do know Murphy, not Sweeney, is the Governor, right?

Posted on: 6/4 14:03
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Re: Will Jersey City and Hoboken ever lose Abbott District Status?
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To JPHurst's point, Steve Sweeney recently expressed such sentiment and that school district consolidation is necessary.

For instance, New Jersey has over 600 school district, which is more than it has municipalities at a count of 535.


I agree, and you could extend this to county government too. Another problem is that aid NEVER gets reduced to cities that have shrinking enrollment-and JC will have less students enrolled this year than 10 years ago. Sweeney will piss off the NJEA with any consolidation proposals, but they hate him already so he probably doesn't give a rats ass.

Posted on: 6/4 13:07
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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JC's local fair share number is actually artificially low, because PILOT properties don't count towards the tax base-if they were, JC's local fair share would be 75 million higher.

Posted on: 6/4 12:43
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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I guess those vaunted NJ suburban schools failed you. Again, the subject is Sweeney.

Go over to the Abbot thread and rub yourself blind.


Virtually identical legislation was proposed earlier in May by Sandra Cunningham and Brian Stack, Sweeney then got on board. 200 million in local fair share is the number JC can afford to pay and doesn't want to is the issue.

Posted on: 6/4 12:18
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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Yes and the subject is that JC is likely to lose suburban tax school funding, and rather than raise it's low tax rate to do so it wants to have it funded by others-again.

The state has already determined that JC underpays its 'local fair share' by 200 million dollars a year, but Fulop and Hudson County legislators (and now Sweeney, too) are doing everything they can to avoid JC paying its fair share.

Posted on: 6/4 11:57
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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The thread is about JC looking for more ways to avoid self funding it own school children's education.

Posted on: 6/4 11:22
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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Untrue. People working here but living outside JC could choose to work elsewhere. Or they could move to JC. They do have choices. They may not like them, but they have them.

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bodhipooh wrote: I dont think the sales tax analogy is an apt one: you can *choose* not to shop in NYC and instead take your money elsewhere. And, that's exactly the point: non JC residents lack that choice when it comes to their money and its "transfer" to the city's coffers.


To the school funding issue we're talking about, non-residents don't have a choice over the redistribution of tax money for schools. Trenton takes into account what it feels is the ability of each town to self fund their own schools, and gives much less back to affluent towns, more to others, and an obscene amount to Abbott districts. I guess someone from, say, Mendham could 'choose' to move to East Orange, but that's not really a choice, is it?

Posted on: 6/4 10:58
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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Brewster, 80,000 people commute to work in JC every day? Care to cite something to show this?? In any case, I'm ok with a payroll tax as long as all workers in JC, not just those who aren't JC residents, are subject to it. Fair is fair.

Posted on: 6/3 23:58
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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Brewster, I'm ok with the tax-but disturbed that JC would find a way to exempt JC residents from the tax.


Why? Something well north of 80k people commute to JC, that's what it was a decade ago, best data I could find. They spend at least 40 hrs a week here, why is it outrageous to suggest they contribute more than maybe buying lunch?

As for school aid, bullshit. You've made clear for years that you want state support to JC ended, not just cut back to SFRA levels. Your stuff is nothing more than classic right wing social darwinism orthodoxy: everyone look out for themselves, and justify failure with your armchair sociology.


Nonsense. I believe that inner cities should get support from more affluent areas. That said, the big beef amongst NJ legislators is that JC gets preferential treatment over other low/middle class districts like Bayonne, or Dover, etc who really are getting screwed. And JC mayors gave out PILOTS like crack dealers giving a free sample, ensuring that tax money goes to the general fund (so the mayors can spend it as they want) instead of the BOE getting some of the cash. It's a scam, and now even other NJ Democrats are fed up.

Posted on: 6/3 23:54
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Re: Will Jersey City and Hoboken ever lose Abbott District Status?
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The state should also phase out aid to all k-6 or k-8 districts, and impose a 10% surcharge on such districts until they merge into full k-12 districts. These micro districts create extra layers of administrative waste and are largely designed to segregate students from broader based populations which would include poorer and minority students.


Please share with us these cities that keep k-6/8 schools to discriminate-I'll bet those same towns get very little state aid to begin with. List a couple of these towns and we can check with this link to see how much state aid they get.

http://www.state.nj.us/education/guide/2015/

Posted on: 6/3 23:33
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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Brewster, I'm ok with the tax-but disturbed that JC would find a way to exempt JC residents from the tax. That's patently unfair. Even Newark doesn't do that. Until JC has skin in the game there isn't any chance of cost containment.

Look how after the reval the DTJC people are now starting to question spending, since they're now finally paying their fair share as an example.

As far as inner city schools, more money isn't the answer. Look at how much Asbury Park spends-over $33K/year/student, and local taxpayers pay under 9% of the costs. And performance is pathetic. It's involved parents (like in Union City) that drive better schools, not total spending, in the inner cities. Uninvolved parents are the curse, not state funding.

Posted on: 6/3 22:10
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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JP, the suburban towns fund their school systems to a great extent (you mentioned the Short Hills Mall-Millburn/Short Hills pays almost 90% of its own school costs). Money that towns like that send to Trenton gets sent for Abbott districts like Newark and JC-which total almost $1.5 billion each year between them.


Posted on: 6/3 22:06
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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When suburban taxpayers pump 1.2 billion dollars into JC schools every three years-which spend 25% more per student than the state average, and have putrid graduation rates (minus McNair), you're damn right other state taxpayers get a say. And they do, finally, through the state legislators who see how unfair it is to their own cities and schools.

Posted on: 6/3 20:56
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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But the Star Ledger says the tax will be a tax on businesses.

"Sweeney's plan — which assumes the start of a new tax on Jersey City businesses expected to bring in $70 million at least in new revenue — inched closer to reality on Thursday when he said he is willing to risk another state government shutdown if lawmakers do not tackle school funding. A budget spat in 2016 led the government to shut down for three days."

Posted on: 6/3 19:16
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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Does this mean that if you're a resident of JC you would be untaxed on the 1%, while JC workers from other towns have to pay it?


Sounds like yes, unless JC decides to tax it's residents too. So...NYC does it, Newark does it, will the world end if we do it too rather than raise the rate 25%? Obviously this is a component of how NYC keeps it's residential property taxes so low.

I'd rather see school cost reformed, but that ain't going to happen, we're talking seriously entrenched interests. And BTW, a lot of those so interested city employees don't even live here, same as you don't.


NYC residents who work in NYC aren't exempt from NYC payroll taxes. And the low taxes in NYC come about from the giant $ generated by Wall Street.

Newark residents and non-residents who work in Newark both pay the 1%.

http://www.tax-rates.org/new_jersey/newark-income-tax

Posted on: 6/3 18:44
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Re: Sweeney proposes slapping payroll tax on Jersey City businesses to fund schools
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Is this a 1% tax on JC business employees, or a 1% tax on payroll paid by the companies? The Star Ledger says this

"The plan would allow any New Jersey municipality with a population over 200,000 — only Newark, which already has a payroll tax, and Jersey City apply — to levy the payroll tax. The city would be allowed to exempt wages from Jersey City residents."

Does this mean that if you're a resident of JC you would be untaxed on the 1%, while JC workers from other towns have to pay it?

Posted on: 6/3 16:12
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Re: NJ Now Taxing Residents Without Health Care
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So low and income people who choose not to enroll get screwed, while illegal aliens will continue to use ER's as primary care facilities-running up costs for our low and middle class payers. Effing stupid idiot.

Posted on: 6/1 15:54
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Re: Just say 'no' to 'millionaires' marina on the south side of Liberty State Park
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The only two actions Murphy has taken so far that benefit NJ, and I thank him for denying both stupid proposals.

Posted on: 6/1 13:53
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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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New Jersey's effective property tax rate is around 2.26%.

JC's effective rate is around 1.6%.

So yes, even after the reval bumps up some people's property tax rate (and lowers others), JC's property tax rate is lower than most of NJ.



So I guess the people downtown who are going from $14,000 to $40,000 should find comfort that they are paying low taxes?


Yes, and in the knowledge they've saved tens and tens of thousands of dollars by not paying their fair share while the poor homeowners in Greenville, Society Hill, and other areas have been carrying them.

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Re: New Tax Rate is Insane!
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How is it irrelevant? JC's tax rate is so ridiculously low because of Abbott.

Posted on: 5/30 20:03
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