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Re: Saw a stolen bike sale and a drug deal in DTJC
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I agree that no website, not even JCPD has a number which is 100% accurate that shows crime in every area of Jersey City. Every number is an estimate, even the UCR data. I can quote pages of estimated crime numbers - all based on reported crime in the neighborhood. All would show GV has higher rates of crime, especially violent crime than DTJC.

All you have are lines like "Greenville crime sells copy - and I'd bet much fewer people buy the JJ in DTJC than Greenville."

Can you link me to a study which shows the above?

But more importantly, what you don't understand is that variables affect both neighborhoods (umder reporting/over reporting of crime) and more importantly, degree matters. Meaning, we aren't arguing whether it's pronounced tomato or tomatoe. We are debating whether the continent of Africa is bigger than the city of Omaha. These estimated numbers aren't even close.

Finally, at the end of the day, I am doing a service by posting these figures in the hopes that a potential resident reads this and reconsiders moving to GV. I value human life, unlike some on this board.


Posted on: 2015/4/22 22:45
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Re: Saw a stolen bike sale and a drug deal in DTJC
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So 07302 is more dangerous than GV now?
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You have yet to show me any real facts, that are not estimates nor hot air, to prove that it isn't.


rofl. You remind me of Karl Rove in 2012 on election night when he denied that Ohio went to Obama. It's common knowledge that GV is more dangerous than downtown. EVERYONE knows it.

Most numbers are estimates - duh. But estimates are based on crime reports. You can argue that crime is under reported in dtjc but I can make the same argument for GV.

The comparison and numbers aren't even close though. GV is not just estimated to be a few crimes more dangerous than DTJC, the difference is staggering.


Posted on: 2015/4/22 21:28
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Re: Saw a stolen bike sale and a drug deal in DTJC
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Let's not guess. Let's see what the methodology is:
http://www.areavibes.com/methodology/

Crime Rates

The 2 main categories of crime are violent crime and property crime. Within each category there are various types of crime. Violent crime includes: murder, rape, robbery and assault. Property crime includes: burglary, theft and vehicle theft. A total crime index is based on all total crimes. Higher weights are given to violent crimes as they are more severe. The score is calculated based on comparisons to both state and national averages.

Data Sources
-FBI uniform Crime Reports


Here's your argument - Sites use "meager" crime reporting data which may not present the whole picture. So hey, just because it was reported that there were 10 shootings in GV, doesn't mean there weren't 100 in DTJC. (Since we are just making up stuff, what makes one assume that the crime in GV is not UNDER Reported?). More importantly, even if we have actual numbers, our perceived safety is different than what occurs in the real world. For example, you may be walking past a gun fight and to some people, the whizzing of bullets may be soothing. Who knows? Who's to judge? Finally, even if there are actual numbers and someone perceives danger, most of it is gang related and none of us are gang members right. (Forget that almost all of the gang related shootings are in GV and BeLa and last I checked, bullets don't always hit gang members).

Great argument for GV. You might be wondering why I care so much? Well, people on this board give horrible advice and people moving to JC do come to this board to look for advice on neighborhoods to live in. GV is a crime ridden area of JC and dramatic things need to happen but can't happen if we all lie to ourselves. If we care about the safety of others, why would you ever recommend GV as a place to live for someone. I don't even think I would do that to an enemy of mine..


So you're agreeing on methodology? Areavibes gets the same UCR data as is published on the JCPD site - which is granular at the level of NORTH, SOUTH, EAST and WEST, and doesn't publish it to the zip code level, never mind actual crime location. Areavibes zip code stats are estimates. Good.

I have lived in cities much worse than JC - and to characterise the whole of GV as crime ridden is a gross exaggeration. In the 15 years I've lived in 07302 - I've fallen victim to 2 serious crimes (admittedly property-related). My in-laws and their relatives who have lived in GV over the same period - zero.

But yes - feel free to share your GV insecurities - just don't pretend that they are facts.



I love it. First you say that crime is based on some sort of NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, WEST division which mixes in several neighborhoods (which I proved based on JC's own description of those divisions) and then you go ahead and report that you've been a victim of crime in the ZIP CODE 07302 - which is all downtown. lolol. So 07302 is more dangerous than GV now?

No, I don't know that UCR data is granular and solely based on EAST, WEST, SOUTH, NORTH. I do know that when crime is reported on spotcrime and on nj.com, there are usually streets mentioned. Zip codes define neighborhoods pretty well also. It might not be a 1 to 1 ratio but it's pretty clear.

Also, via area vibes. Chance of being a victom of crime in Downtown is 1 in 74. In GV, 1 in 35. Looks like you were the unlucky 75th person. On average of course. But whatever - downtown is just as dangerous. Carry on.

downtown might as well be detroit too - both can be just as dangerous.

Posted on: 2015/4/22 20:51
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Re: Saw a stolen bike sale and a drug deal in DTJC
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07302 is most of downtown. Those two areas are part of downtown too. My original point was that zip codes better define neighborhoods than whatever "east district" encompasses.

Posted on: 2015/4/21 18:40
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Re: Saw a stolen bike sale and a drug deal in DTJC
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As much as some on here hate to admit it all of 07302 is the original Downtown. I have noticed a misinformation campaign it seems by some to spread the word that this is not. Newer residents want to not include the area west of I-78 as a part of the neighborhood but it really is. Lafayette when I was growing up was considered a kind of sub Downtown like a DT version of Western Slope to the Heights but I won't say it officially is. Just like how I never heard of Bergen-Lafayette growing up, it always made no sense to create a hybrid neighborhood to me. It is like if one day the realtors come up with Downtown-JSQ or Westside-Greenville and it becomes so common it's tale about like one neighborhood lol


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Posted on: 2015/4/21 18:06
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Re: Saw a stolen bike sale and a drug deal in DTJC
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Nope. http://www.njjcpd.org/east-district

The border of DTJC is the I-78 to the west. Not Garfield. Nothing beyond I-78 is DTJC. Also has parts of JQ Square in the east district.

DTJC is The Village, Exchange place, paulus hook, liberty harbor north, powerhouse arts district. the waterfront, harismus cove, hamilton park, van vorst park. I believe all have 07302 as a zip



Definitely not. I used to live in Newport and it was 07310. Based on your website, I would say DTJC is to 78 on the West, the Hudson to the East, Hoboken to the North and Liberty to the South.


Newport is not dtjc. Newport is newport

Posted on: 2015/4/21 17:01
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Re: Saw a stolen bike sale and a drug deal in DTJC
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vindication15 wrote:
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http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Jersey_City-New_Jersey/crime/

I'd hazard a guess that you are equally likely to be a victim of crime almost anywhere in JC - if you factor out gang-related in-fighting.



You can guess all you want. The facts don't support your guessing. Kids around the world guess Santa Claus exists because they get presents but that doesn't make it true.

You are less safe in GV and BeLa than in DTJC. Period. That is fact.


Explain away the facts in the UCR then, which is probably the best set of stats we have available for JC, where East frequently tops the list.

http://www.njjcpd.org/node/5








DTJC is now known as EAST?

I thought neighborhoods were defined by zip codes...as 07302 is mostly DTJC and 07304 and 07305 is Bela and GV. Please show me that 07302 shows less crime, especially violent crime than 07304 and 07305.


Uh, Downtown is in the EAST DISTRICT. And since when is a neighborhood defined by a zip?


Nope. http://www.njjcpd.org/east-district

The border of DTJC is the I-78 to the west. Not Garfield. Nothing beyond I-78 is DTJC. Also has parts of JQ Square in the east district.

DTJC is The Village, Exchange place, paulus hook, liberty harbor north, powerhouse arts district. the waterfront, harismus cove, hamilton park, van vorst park. I believe all have 07302 as a zip


Posted on: 2015/4/21 13:57
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Re: Saw a stolen bike sale and a drug deal in DTJC
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DTJC is now known as EAST?

I thought neighborhoods were defined by zip codes...as 07302 is mostly DTJC and 07304 and 07305 is Bela and GV. Please show me that 07302 shows less crime, especially violent crime than 07304 and 07305.


You see that's where your own argument fails. The "facts" you linked from areavibe have a big word noted against them - estimate. Afaik JCPD doesn't publish crime locations more granular than whats in the UCR.

Areavibes (and other sites like Trulia, spotcrime, etc) probably take what meager crime stats they glean from sources outside of the JCPD, then use that to extrapolate their numbers. Without the real crime location those numbers could be badly skewed by any number of factors.

Plus the actual crime numbers in any given location may not be directly proportional to an individual's actual relative safety. For example if 90% of all violent crime in JC was committed on gang members, drug buyers/sellers plus domestic-related - doesn't that skew the picture?

An analogy might be that you wouldn't want to live in HP due to the high number of traffic accidents at the Holland tunnel. Most of us simply learn to cross the street or avoid it.

When you get some real facts - get back to us.

(PS: Candice mentioned on another thread that they were working on publishing crimes vs actual locations based on the UCR data. To date I don't think that has happened)


Let's not guess. Let's see what the methodology is:
http://www.areavibes.com/methodology/

Crime Rates

The 2 main categories of crime are violent crime and property crime. Within each category there are various types of crime. Violent crime includes: murder, rape, robbery and assault. Property crime includes: burglary, theft and vehicle theft. A total crime index is based on all total crimes. Higher weights are given to violent crimes as they are more severe. The score is calculated based on comparisons to both state and national averages.

Data Sources
-FBI uniform Crime Reports


Here's your argument - Sites use "meager" crime reporting data which may not present the whole picture. So hey, just because it was reported that there were 10 shootings in GV, doesn't mean there weren't 100 in DTJC. (Since we are just making up stuff, what makes one assume that the crime in GV is not UNDER Reported?). More importantly, even if we have actual numbers, our perceived safety is different than what occurs in the real world. For example, you may be walking past a gun fight and to some people, the whizzing of bullets may be soothing. Who knows? Who's to judge? Finally, even if there are actual numbers and someone perceives danger, most of it is gang related and none of us are gang members right. (Forget that almost all of the gang related shootings are in GV and BeLa and last I checked, bullets don't always hit gang members).

Great argument for GV. You might be wondering why I care so much? Well, people on this board give horrible advice and people moving to JC do come to this board to look for advice on neighborhoods to live in. GV is a crime ridden area of JC and dramatic things need to happen but can't happen if we all lie to ourselves. If we care about the safety of others, why would you ever recommend GV as a place to live for someone. I don't even think I would do that to an enemy of mine..

Posted on: 2015/4/21 13:48
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Re: Saw a stolen bike sale and a drug deal in DTJC
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dtjcview wrote:
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dtjcview wrote:
http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Jersey_City-New_Jersey/crime/

I'd hazard a guess that you are equally likely to be a victim of crime almost anywhere in JC - if you factor out gang-related in-fighting.



You can guess all you want. The facts don't support your guessing. Kids around the world guess Santa Claus exists because they get presents but that doesn't make it true.

You are less safe in GV and BeLa than in DTJC. Period. That is fact.


Explain away the facts in the UCR then, which is probably the best set of stats we have available for JC, where East frequently tops the list.

http://www.njjcpd.org/node/5








DTJC is now known as EAST?

I thought neighborhoods were defined by zip codes...as 07302 is mostly DTJC and 07304 and 07305 is Bela and GV. Please show me that 07302 shows less crime, especially violent crime than 07304 and 07305.

Posted on: 2015/4/20 22:09
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Re: Saw a stolen bike sale and a drug deal in DTJC
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dtjcview wrote:
http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Jersey_City-New_Jersey/crime/

I'd hazard a guess that you are equally likely to be a victim of crime almost anywhere in JC - if you factor out gang-related in-fighting.



You can guess all you want. The facts don't support your guessing. Kids around the world guess Santa Claus exists because they get presents but that doesn't make it true.

You are less safe in GV and BeLa than in DTJC. Period. That is fact.

Posted on: 2015/4/20 19:53
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Re: Saw a stolen bike sale and a drug deal in DTJC
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You ever been to an AA meeting? the first phase is just admitting you have a problem. I would love for a greenville resident to come here and just say,

"Look, there is a huge crime problem in GV. We are the worst neighborhood in JC as it relates to crime. We need more patroling, we need mandatory curfew, we need to step up neighborhood watch, etc"

Instead, statements like

"Crime happens everywhere" w/o mentioning incidence

"You have to watch where you are everywhere" w/o mentioning that in GV, you have to watch where you are every second.

"Compared to the rest of NJ, we are pretty safe"...okay...I bet if you compare GV to Iraq, GV is like heaven on earth.

Give me a break, please

Posted on: 2015/4/20 13:02
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Re: Saw a stolen bike sale and a drug deal in DTJC
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according to your stats:

The overall crime rate in Greenville is 5% lower than than the national average.For every 100,000 people, there are 8.05 daily crimes that occur in Greenville.Greenville is safer than 78% of the cities in the New Jersey.In Greenville you have a 1 in 35 chance of becoming a victim of any crime.The number of total year over year crimes in Jersey City has decreased by 13%.

Sooo..... its not a walk in the park but Greenville IS Jersey City too... or shall we just break off DTJC and rename it to something different?


see! It is always "my stats" lolol. Yeah, I actually control all crime reporting.

So you are comparing yourself to all of NJ including cities like Camden and Newark. Great, you do that.

Greenville is Jersey City which is one of the reasons why JC has such a bad rep and also one of the reasons why my home value is not as much as a home in Manhattan.

You show me a petition which Greenville asks to break off from JC and I'll be the first to sign.


Posted on: 2015/4/20 12:56
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Re: Saw a stolen bike sale and a drug deal in DTJC
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Not sure if you are from the states, but there are drugs and crime everywhere. You can even get an 8 ball in the suburbs. Shocking right? not really.


absolutely. Even though I love living in DTJC, whether this happpened or not, it could have happened. Those of you who think dtjc is summit by the sea and need to denigrate others to support your naivite might want to look at the thread that recommends eye doctors. BTW, User your link to Greenville is appreciated here.



Not my opinion. GV is crime ridden. YOU LIVE IN A CRIME RIDDEN AREA. I'll link you to some stats but I await your post saying that the numbers are imaginary.

http://www.areavibes.com/jersey+city-nj/greenville/crime/
http://www.areavibes.com/jersey+city-nj/downtown/crime/

More than twice as likely to get hit by violent crime in greenville than in dtjc. Why are you surprised by facts?

PS: I saw that you claim to "live" in dtjc. Must be on the corner of imaginary and wish streets

Posted on: 2015/4/19 16:28
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Re: Saw a stolen bike sale and a drug deal in DTJC
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For those searching for homes who may come across this thread, yes crime can happen anywhere.

the INCIDENCE of CRIME is NOT the same. Look at crime rates and the highest crime ridden areas of JC are greenville and bergen lafayette with the safest neighborhood being DTJC.

So those who keep stating crime can happen anywhere are just trying to downplay the safety within their own neighborhoods. Yes, crime can happen in the upper east side and in brownsville brooklyn but crime happens MORE in one neighborhood than the other - just guess...


Posted on: 2015/4/19 16:23
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Re: Saw a stolen bike sale and a drug deal in DTJC
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JerseyJanet wrote:
I walking with my kids along Columbus Ave. and Jersey Ave. and saw a man convincing two other men the bike he's trying to sell them isn't stolen because he wouldn't do that to people. It was odd and obvious a 'deal' was going down to offload this nice mountain bike. He seemed tweaked out. I rushed my kids along.

I see him again on Grove and Newark 15 minutes later with a group of unkempt people and he's handing over a small packet of white stuff while they shake hands. It was ridiculously obvious, I'm short and I was practically nose level to this transaction. It was ballsy. I couldn't believe this was in broad daylight at the Grove PATH station area. He had no bike with him then so probably sold it to those other two.

I seriously saw these two things, same man, in under half hour committing two crimes. People, families walking everywhere. I was with small children.

We think DTJC has changed?


Cool story. Another GV or BeLa resident sad about living in those neighborhoods. Anyone can makeup stories on an internet forum. I can make up stories about crime in GV or BeLa too except I don't have to as nj.com posts those crime stories DAILY. In any case, anyone interested in dtjc just needs to look at crime stats.

Posted on: 2015/4/18 22:31
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Re: Jersey City Mayor Seeks to Limit Chain Stores Downtown
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If, say, Downtown Hardware were to close because of astronomical rents, would a chain hardware store take its place? Probably not. We'd get a Baby Gap. I don't see how that would improve downtown.


So we shouldn't do anything "you" don't see as being good for downtown right?

If baby gap opened and was profitable that still would not matter because you don't see it as being good?

You related to Julius Cesar in any way?


so a niche, spendy chain store replacing an affordable, useful-to-just-about-everyone store is great for all of downtown?

okay, whatever you say, Brutus.


It's not up to me. If baby gap can afford to buy the place, they buy it, if the public wants it there, they will be profitable and stay. If no one goes there, they close.

I do my part in expressing my pleasure or displeasure with stores. For example, every time I walk by a 99 cent store, I make it a point to look at the people judgingly as to discourage them from walking in so that the store may eventually close. Feel free to do the same at baby gap.


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Re: Jersey City Mayor Seeks to Limit Chain Stores Downtown
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If, say, Downtown Hardware were to close because of astronomical rents, would a chain hardware store take its place? Probably not. We'd get a Baby Gap. I don't see how that would improve downtown.


So we shouldn't do anything "you" don't see as being good for downtown right?

If baby gap opened and was profitable that still would not matter because you don't see it as being good?

You related to Julius Cesar in any way?

Posted on: 2015/4/17 18:35
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Re: The $3,000 apartment, Asking (and getting) big rents is another sign the Gold Coast is booming
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Thanks for comments.

I understand that no one should undersell DTJC, but $2500 for one bed room, one bathroom unit? Boy, that sounds crazy! (I mean that in a positive way)

Our is on the first floor of a brownstone (not garden level, and it's practically second floor). High ceiling. W/D in unit. Renovated kitchen (2012). Corner unit, so a lot of windows. Hall way is big and nice (not dingy as I have seen in some brownstone condos). Facing the park (I see this as the biggest selling point). No doorman or management on site though, but a great building with lots of character in my opinion (again, I'm biased).

I did see fairly recently a comp (similar size) in Dixon Mills and another in just across the street (this one had a balcony) in the New York Times real estate section, and like these, my observation has been that 1b1b is priced higher than $2200, it seems to take longer to find a tenant and sometimes the rent gets reduced because of that. So that's why I thought staying under $2200 was a good idea to minimize vacancy.

Now I'm not so sure.

After finding a realtor who I really like personally, I'm going to have him do the advertising and background check, etc. But it means, assuming $2150 monthly rent, the tenant will pay $2150 (first month rent) + $2150 x 1.5 (security deposit) + $2150 (realtor fee) =$7525 up front (If I rent it for $2500, that would be $8750).

I think to myself if someone can pay that out of pocket, why don't they just buy? Why rent? Then I think that that someone probably gets relocation assistance from his/her employer and they don't plan to live here forever.

But I think to myself again, do I want to rent to someone who is spending their hard-earned money and is determined to get the security deposit back, or someone who is subsidized by their employer and doesn't care whether or not they get the security deposit back. This choice is easy for me.

So my thinking is that perhaps, I will pay for the realtor fee so that people who may not have relocation assistance can also have a chance.

But even so, not everyone is qualified ($2150 x 3 = $6450 is the minimum monthly gross income). I am assuming that it would be a young couple with no kids. Perhaps if I sweeten the deal further with relaxed pet policy (yes, of course, there is a risk to that as well), maybe I can find someone who has two small dogs and is desperate to find a place to live and feels so lucky to live there. Such person/people will unlikely to cause troubles, and to me, that's worth getting a few hundred dollars less per month.

But that's my thinking today. Tomorrow, I may change my mind.


You are probably thinking too much, cut the amounts in half.. most people who rent dtjc have a roommate or two. So they wont be that house poor after paying you.


http://www.census.gov/censusexplorer/censusexplorer.html

Type in your zip code. People are not poor in the dtjc area. A single person can pay 2500 easily with those median incomes. Median income in my neighborhood is 99k.

People are not doing what user is suggesting. Maybe in his neighborhood where median income is 32k. Don't listen to a GV resident about real estate in DTJC. Might as well ask someone from ohio...

Posted on: 2015/4/16 19:21
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Re: The $3,000 apartment, Asking (and getting) big rents is another sign the Gold Coast is booming
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I would also say that DTJC and Hoboken are pretty much separate from the rest of JC in terms of real estate.

We need to aim to have those Manhattan prices here. DTJC and Hoboken buildings offer better amenities, more space, and better finishes than MOST NYC doorman buildings. So let's not undersell ourselves.


Posted on: 2015/4/16 16:41
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Re: The $3,000 apartment, Asking (and getting) big rents is another sign the Gold Coast is booming
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Atsushi wrote:
We are thinking of leasing our condo. Ours is 700sqft one bedroom, one bathroom. Looking around other comps in the neighborhood (although there aren't that many comparable rentals in our immediate neighborhood), I've been thinking $2150/month. But realtors who have seen it tell us that we can go higher (I'm skeptical).

It is a very nice unit though. Obviously, I'm biased, but it's right on Van Vorst Park and 5 minute walk to Grove Street PATH.

I have two schools of thought. One is to at least try to lease it at a high as the realtors had suggested ($2400). But I do worry if a tenant is paying as much as $2400, he or she may complain about even smallest things that could possibly go wrong (like changing a light bulb).

I would personally like to lease it for a little bit lower than it can be to someone who feels lucky to live there for that rent.

Anyway, a difficult decision is ahead of me.


If you live in a doorman building with amenities in dtjc, don't go below 2500. IN Manhattan, you can't find a 1BR doorman building with amenities for less than 3500. Stop underselling dtjc.

I am about to lease my unit too and will put it at 3000 and see if anyone bites.

Posted on: 2015/4/16 16:38
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Re: The $3,000 apartment, Asking (and getting) big rents is another sign the Gold Coast is booming
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Frank_M wrote:
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citybooster wrote:
What we should want to be is an alternative to ridiculous rental prices in Manhattan and Brooklyn.. not hell bent on matching them.


instead of wishing for the same or even lower rents and wishing your community doesn't improve how about you find a better paying job...


Your [typically] nearsighted argument ignores the influence of a growing population of individuals who are willing to live beyond their own, reasonable means. For every wealthy person, there are thousands more who are also helping to drive up costs with irresponsible spending that isn?t tied to higher earnings.


No one is forcing someone to live in a certain neighborhood. Just because you have been here for 50 years doesn't mean you deserve to be here for another 50 years, especially if you can no longer afford to live in the area.

The fact that the population yous peak of is here and paying their rent means that they are able to live here - even if that consists of 20% or 90% of their salary. They don't have to live up to a subjective standard you set..

People like yvonne and the rest here is exactly why JC is taking so long to make it. Good, you bought a house here while dinosaurs roamed JC, thank you. That doesn't mean you get to dictate what happens to JC for all of us...and especially if you can't pay your rent.

The first people who bought the iphone for $1000 are listened to no more than those who are buying the newest iteration of the iphone.

The neighborhood owes nothing to you. You are one voice, no matter how disgruntled you are. Deal with it. Prices are rising and back to my original point, get a better paying job - something you are in control of...

Posted on: 2015/4/15 20:40
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Re: The $3,000 apartment, Asking (and getting) big rents is another sign the Gold Coast is booming
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What we should want to be is an alternative to ridiculous rental prices in Manhattan and Brooklyn.. not hell bent on matching them.


instead of wishing for the same or even lower rents and wishing your community doesn't improve how about you find a better paying job...

Posted on: 2015/4/15 17:35
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Re: Jersey City Mayor Seeks to Limit Chain Stores Downtown
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So instead let's build a hundred more skyscrapers!!! SARCASM!!


No, better idea - let's build stores you can afford to buy stuff from and places you could afford to live in. So let's build 100 more 99 cent stores so you can go on a shopping spree..yay!

Posted on: 2015/4/12 17:55
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Re: Jersey City Mayor Seeks to Limit Chain Stores Downtown
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Jersey City will continue to be Jersey City with a few pompous a holes who wish it was something more or else. I support this plan, we have nothing but mom and pops here in my area, the chain stores are located in the strip malls where they belong.


DTJC is so far apart from your section of JC user it minus well be the difference between the upper east side of Manhattan and Inwood, Manhattan.

And whenever user mentions aholes, he is referring to people who care a damn to get a better paying job than him. Just so everyone knows...


Posted on: 2015/4/9 18:24
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Re: Jersey City Mayor Seeks to Limit Chain Stores Downtown
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I can't believe what I'm reading here. Do that many people really want chain stores?

When I moved to NYC in the early 90s, it was full of independent shops. Now, every block has a bank and a massive drug store.

As JC gentrifies, Fulop wants it to keep its own special feel. Fulop's proposal is good for downtown and pro-small business.


where do you live? cause it's not dtjc. Right now, that special feel is the "99 cent value bargain feel" as there are at least 4 stores with the words cheap, dollar, bargain, and value in them within a 5 block radius. We could use a lot more chain stores.

In fact, how about we propose that we can only have 1 value/99 cent store within a half a mile of each other. If we want government overreach, let's at least overreach in the right direction...


name them. If I'm guessing correctly, I can think of three but really, one is a neighborhood department store that just doesn't live up to your standards.


edit: eh, for some reason I thought you said five. whatever, I wont call you a liar. I just disagree.


sleep cheap
national discount store
99 cent dream
super discount

That meets the strict criteria of having those words in the name. Although most would also agree that ch martin and rainbow aren't necessarily targeting the rich and famous...

You mean standards of the majority of americans? Cheap is walmart, 99 cent is desperate.

Posted on: 2015/4/9 2:45
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Re: Jersey City Mayor Seeks to Limit Chain Stores Downtown
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Quote:

EthanCrane wrote:
I can't believe what I'm reading here. Do that many people really want chain stores?

When I moved to NYC in the early 90s, it was full of independent shops. Now, every block has a bank and a massive drug store.

As JC gentrifies, Fulop wants it to keep its own special feel. Fulop's proposal is good for downtown and pro-small business.


where do you live? cause it's not dtjc. Right now, that special feel is the "99 cent value bargain feel" as there are at least 4 stores with the words cheap, dollar, bargain, and value in them within a 5 block radius. We could use a lot more chain stores.

In fact, how about we propose that we can only have 1 value/99 cent store within a half a mile of each other. If we want government overreach, let's at least overreach in the right direction...

Posted on: 2015/4/8 21:23
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Re: Jersey City Mayor Seeks to Limit Chain Stores Downtown
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It's just so ironic.

It's not like these mom and pop stores' number one priority is to better the neighborhood. Their number one priority is to make money. If it was any different, then they wouldn't charge some of the prices they do for their food. Take Cocoa Bakery for example - they offer expensive baked goods at similar pricing as Starbucks and many times, they don't have a full inventory...

These mom and pop stores charging the prices they do in fact cause more displacement of the middle class which isn't what you anti-free market people are against?


Posted on: 2015/4/8 20:46
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Re: Jersey City Mayor Seeks to Limit Chain Stores Downtown
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Let me first say, this is anti-free market at its finest. Even though I consider myself progressive, this is beyond stupid. I am disappointed in mayor fulop for suggesting this.

Secondly, so many jealous individuals on jclist. "overpriced, bland, chain, etc." when you are really jealous that other people have more money than you to live in dtjc.

How about if you don't like dtjc, don't live in the area. It's not like you have a choice anyway because you are too poor anyways. Sorry, I meant dtjc is overpriced lol

Haters going to hate.

Posted on: 2015/4/8 18:12
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Unless it's manhattan, why would anyone rent a place w/o a washer/dryer in the unit? Even in dtjc...washers and dryers in units are common...

However, we are probably looking at diff types of buildings...

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tommyc_37 wrote:
I think it's actually really interesting to look at the bigger picture real estate-wise. It's telling, that in a building with multi-million dollar condos, the only ground floor retail that this building has attracted is a glorified Hooters and a glorified Chevy's. Two suburban types of establishments inserting themselves into a high end urban condo building. The discrepancy is very noticeable and kind of weird.

Look at similarly priced neighborhoods in Brooklyn and Queens (say, Crown Heights), and I don't think you really see that. It's hard to imagine a suburban restaurant owner in Long Island opening up a second outpost of an average TexMex joint in a "hot" neighborhood of Brooklyn. Instead you see tons of really interesting, creative places opening up. Our restaurant scene is picking up and I love it, but it's a snail's pace compared to some other neighborhoods.

This all tells me that JC's real estate prices are inflated above the level of amenities offered in the area. 2-bedroom condos going for over $1MM, and still no gourmet supermarket of any type near the Grove Street/Paulus Hook area? There is a housing shortage, but high demand.

I think as more condo units come online, and hopefully there are some condo conversions, the price of housing will be more on par with the amenities. Of course hopefully more amenities come too :)


You are incorrect.

1) Club Barks and a concierge dry cleaner are located on the ground floor of GC and are operating just fine. So those are the two ground floor retail units. Not sure which one you are comparing to a chevys??

2) DTJC doesn't compete with Crown heights ?? Where are you getting this? DTJC is competing against areas like brooklyn heights and the financial district of manhattan. Compared to those places, DTJC is a bargain for the amenities residents receive.

DTJC is a bargain compared to NYC.

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