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I think some people don't know what the word "NIMBY" means.

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An ill-informed public represents a weakness that has a negative effect on an entire society. I don?t care if you identify yourself as conservative or liberal, only that you use your head in a way that allows you to comprehend both the strengths and weakness of your own opinions in both a subjective and objective context. Unfortunately, the refusal to be self-critical is a selfish trend that seems to be more prevalent among Americans than our peers in other advanced nations. If you don?t see the weaknesses of your own opinions, there?s a good chance that they are poorly formed opinions. Go ahead and vote on those grounds if you like, just don?t be surprised to find you've made a laughing stock of your nation.

Well put. Unfortunately the modern American political system is based on swaying the "undecided", who are usually there due to ignorance. Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of ignorance among the decided voters, but they're not being contested. So the basic campaign is more or less who can say the simplest, most stripped of nuance argument for themselves and their policy. Nuance doesn't work on the ignorant, they have no context to process it in.

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The embankment park will be awesome for the handful of property owners who's backyards are private enclaves because of the rock wall abutting against them. But this will be a very expensive project to get anywhere near the kind of usability that the High Line has since it involves building a whole bunch of connector bridges from each section. If you really want to build a park bridge, the Morris Canal walkway link between the Colgate Clock and the peninsula seems a better use of funds given that its one of only four short holes between Port Liberte and Weehawken.

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I bet the people complaining about a park on the embankment being a waste of money also probably thought the light rail was a waste of money.

Nice strawman. However, public transportation actually assists thousands of people daily, as well as helps link communities. Kindly tell me how Greenville or Bayonne or Exchange Place or Hoboken benefits from this.

A 5-block by half a block park serves very few people in one small neighborhood and will obviously cost truckloads of money.

Yep - an equivalent of Gramercy Park for the residents of 6th St brownstones....

Yeah, yeah - I know it will be open to all....

But in reality it will be a private park - elevated and small.

What a con the Embankment Coalition has pulled...

Unbelievable.

StillinJC: Do you own a home here in downtown Jersey City?

I'm very curious about how you think this will be a private park. Can you back this up with information based on why you think this?

How small is small for you? Do you have square footage to validate your definition? Smaller than a car? Bigger than a bread box?

Define con, and please specify with more information on this said "con". Have you followed this entire process and read all the paperwork on it? All I am reading is opinion and I'm suspect of the motivations. It reads more like passive aggressive hostility. But I'd love to understand your comments if you can back it up with concrete fact.

"StillinJC: Do you own a home here in downtown Jersey City?"

No.

"I'm very curious about how you think this will be a private park. Can you back this up with information based on why you think this?"

Read my post - I said it will be LIKE a private park. Open to all, but very small, and fairly inaccessible due to elevation.

"How small is small for you? Do you have square footage to validate your definition? Smaller than a car? Bigger than a bread box? "

About the size of the Embankment.

"Define con, and please specify with more information on this said "con"."

Con is having a whole city pay for an insignifcant and tiny and inaccesible park, only because the 6th street yuppies don't want the developer to build housing across the street. I will refuse to pay for that. The park is a strawman for NIMBY brownstone owners.

It is so obvious.

Thanks. Your opinion initially seemed shallow and without merit. Glad I had you spend your time writing it out in long form so I can understand that I was right. Btw, did you
know the term YUPPIE isn't a slur?

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and thank you Embankment Coalition for never wavering and bringing us this point and yes, thank you Mayor Healy, Corporate Council Matsikoudis and city staff who kept this effort going and not for nothing the tremendous support of the public that attended, spoke and testified on behalf of this project for more than a decade.

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What I love about you is that no matter how uneducated on a topic you are, you still think you deserve an opinion. I think that its a true testament to the American dream.

So voting should not be a right unless educated ?

Nice catch, heights.

The best I ever saw on jclist.

In his quote, ianmac47 channeled the spirit of American elitist liberalism -"unless you are educated (like us), you shall have no voice. WE will be your voice, because WE know better".

Crash and burn, ianmac.

Liberal elite, and proud to be it.

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What I love about you is that no matter how uneducated on a topic you are, you still think you deserve an opinion. I think that its a true testament to the American dream.

So voting should not be a right unless educated ?

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I bet the people complaining about a park on the embankment being a waste of money also probably thought the light rail was a waste of money.

Nice strawman. However, public transportation actually assists thousands of people daily, as well as helps link communities. Kindly tell me how Greenville or Bayonne or Exchange Place or Hoboken benefits from this.

A 5-block by half a block park serves very few people in one small neighborhood and will obviously cost truckloads of money.

Yep - an equivalent of Gramercy Park for the residents of 6th St brownstones....

Yeah, yeah - I know it will be open to all....

But in reality it will be a private park - elevated and small.

What a con the Embankment Coalition has pulled...

Unbelievable.

StillinJC: Do you own a home here in downtown Jersey City?

I'm very curious about how you think this will be a private park. Can you back this up with information based on why you think this?

How small is small for you? Do you have square footage to validate your definition? Smaller than a car? Bigger than a bread box?

Define con, and please specify with more information on this said "con". Have you followed this entire process and read all the paperwork on it? All I am reading is opinion and I'm suspect of the motivations. It reads more like passive aggressive hostility. But I'd love to understand your comments if you can back it up with concrete fact.

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I bet the people complaining about a park on the embankment being a waste of money also probably thought the light rail was a waste of money.

Nice strawman. However, public transportation actually assists thousands of people daily, as well as helps link communities. Kindly tell me how Greenville or Bayonne or Exchange Place or Hoboken benefits from this.

A 5-block by half a block park serves very few people in one small neighborhood and will obviously cost truckloads of money.

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I saw huge farms of these things while travelling in the South of Spain last year.

Very disturbing visually.

Hated them.

We want our power, but apparently only if we don't see what it does to our health or it craps up somebody else's yard. We dam rivers, burn coal and thereby pollute the air and water with everything from particulates to mercury. We have nuclear, but not in our town, and don't even think about storing it's waste!

Windmills are great as a symbol of paying the piper, that we can't completely externalize the cost of our consumptive lifestyle with a check to PSE&G. You want visually disturbing, visit a destroyed mountain and it's streams in West Virginia or a Montana open pit coal mine. Or a pine forest in the Rockies dying of global warming.

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The law allows filming in trials/hearings that are open to the public. His forceful removal was a transgression of not only his rights but all of our rights, since now we will never have a chance to see any footage of what transpired in that room.

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Europe isn't bankrupt. Two or three irresponsible countries were issued debt by two or three other countries in an irresponsible way because the banking industry could earn a lot of money selling bonds and other forms of debt without repercussions and knowing that ultimately their industry would lobby the national and unified government to bail them out. But yes, keep telling yourself that its the "free" healthcare.

Not only "free" healthcare, but also generous retirement benefits, government-paid unemployment benefits (like 2 years of almost full pay in France), generous welfare, and other "small" perks.

Even high taxes, 20% VAT and gas prices twice that of the US could not pay for all of that.

That's why every EU country is implementing painful austerity plans right now. Slashing benefits, raising retirement age - because their nanny-state model is unsustainable.

But keep telling yourself that it is "two or three countries" and "big bad bankers" that did Europe in.

To all - sorry for being totally off-topic, but I had to respond.

You and people like you are the great American tragedy, so worried about the government taking money from your wallet you don't bother noticing the fat cats picking your pocket.

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Europe isn't bankrupt. Two or three irresponsible countries were issued debt by two or three other countries in an irresponsible way because the banking industry could earn a lot of money selling bonds and other forms of debt without repercussions and knowing that ultimately their industry would lobby the national and unified government to bail them out. But yes, keep telling yourself that its the "free" healthcare.

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This is how we get ignoramus leaders like GWB (who started 2 wars) elected by ignoramus populace. You've got to agree that ANYTHING that educates people even a little about our history, our freedoms, and their costs in human life is a good thing.

Speaking of ignoramuses and ignoring history..what about Obama and the Dem media? Isn?t it amazing how they are hushing the deaths of our brave troops in Afghanistan now that it is Obama?s war? I bet you didn?t even know that 1 to 3 brave American?s are dying in Afghanistan almost every day. Funny how we were all reminded of the deaths during the Bush years and the 2008 elections. I recall Keith Oberman and other lib?s signing off every night with a grim death count. Shame, shame.

Check out this DOD web site?sad?.

www.defense.gov/releases

Yes, Obama's War. Like he really had great options with any of the many turds GWB left him. It's like a Bugs Bunny cartoon where as the car speeds towards the cliff Bugs rips the steering wheel off and hands it to Elmer Fudd. I'll bet McCain thanks God every night that he lost.

What I love about the current GOP circus is that GWB in a non-person, he's been airbrushed out of GOP history like a purged and shot Soviet commissar. It's Obama's War, and Obama's Economy and Obama's Debt! And you know what, The Great American Public has such poor f-ing memories (if they were paying attention to begin with) that these talking points actually work! But then we're talking about a population that 55% don't know that the earth revolves around the sun once a year and 40% are creationists.

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We already have the obscene Intrepid in the area, do we really need to continue glorifying war and killing?

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stillinjc wrote:
In order for Big J to get her share of Statue and Ellis Island tourist dollars, she should be berthed here.

http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t401/stillinjc/Picture2.jpg

Black Tom area is kind of out of the way.

I think you're underestimating the size of a 887 foot long ship. Unless you remove the walkway (Hudson River Walkway -- not likely to happen) and seriously dredge the area that makes up the northern cove, the ship would protrude significantly from the LSP shore in this scenario. It would be ideal if the New Jersey were 2/3rds the size, though.

scribblejam wrote:
I can just about see where this conversation is headed...haha

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you're talking about curry, right?


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bear wrote:
with new neighbors have come their cooking smells. approaching the building, walking up the main stair, and inside my apartment.... you can smell what they have cooked. it is strong and constant.

i have always lived in apartment buildings and understand communal living and the very high tolerance level of all things that goes with it, but this is so far out of my experience and am afraid the smell is going to start to become part of me. i really don't want that.

i am pretty sure i know there is nothing i can do about it aside from move, but i have been here a long time and love my apartment, landlord, and other neighbors. anything at all anyone can suggest to do to deal? to at least keep the smells from getting into my place and things and lingering on my clothes?

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Maybe the old security company but the new one I think does a very good job. Never seen them high or sleeping. Pretty sure they have to make rounds now quite often. I am a woman with a child and never feel unsafe!

Recently a friend of mine was outside of grove point towers and someone tried to take her Iphone. There were enough people around that potential robber got nothing! Thank god. I doubt their management company informed the residents.

I really love these renters who always complain, yet they are here for 4 years, 16 years....must really not like the place!