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Christie vs. Clinton. Either way, you have a democrat in office.


My prediction exactly.

It would take another decade for GOP to get their sh** together.

But in a decade or two, I don't think GOP will be a national party.

It would be great if Tea Party splits off from GOP.

Who is looking forward to GOP primary debates? It's going to be quite a circus.


The Republicans and Democrats are the same party at this point. They work together to screw you, the common man, financially. People need to figure this out and start to consider voting for third party candidates who don't subscribe to one party's ideology vs. another. Fiscally conservative, and socially liberal would be a good middle ground for me. Democrats and Republicans seem to know one thing these days, and that's how to spend all your inflated tax dollars into debt.


We need another 21st century party that embraces the social things that DEM does and at the same time, being fiscally conservative.


Being fiscally conservative goes against what the Democratic party represents, which is why I can never vote Democrat and choose third party candidates.


Yes, and I understand that. Voting for third party candidates is a lot better than voting for GOP candidates.

Posted on: 2013/12/17 19:06
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Christie vs. Clinton. Either way, you have a democrat in office.


My prediction exactly.

It would take another decade for GOP to get their sh** together.

But in a decade or two, I don't think GOP will be a national party.

It would be great if Tea Party splits off from GOP.

Who is looking forward to GOP primary debates? It's going to be quite a circus.


The Republicans and Democrats are the same party at this point. They work together to screw you, the common man, financially. People need to figure this out and start to consider voting for third party candidates who don't subscribe to one party's ideology vs. another. Fiscally conservative, and socially liberal would be a good middle ground for me. Democrats and Republicans seem to know one thing these days, and that's how to spend all your inflated tax dollars into debt.


I agree and disagree. What we need is two (or more) great parties. I'm almost (not 100%) happy with the current DEM, but I want them to go further.

At the same time, it shouldn't be dominated by one party. So we need a great counter balance. The current GOP is NOT a good counter balance. They are just too anti-minority, anti-gay, anti-women, anti-science. GOP is a relic of the past.

We need another 21st century party that embraces the social things that DEM does and at the same time, being fiscally conservative.

Best policies can only come from debates between two (or more) competent parties present their best ideas to move the country forward.

Posted on: 2013/12/17 18:54
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Christie vs. Clinton. Either way, you have a democrat in office.


My prediction exactly.

It would take another decade for GOP to get their sh** together.

But in a decade or two, I don't think GOP will be a national party.

It would be great if Tea Party splits off from GOP.

Who is looking forward to GOP primary debates? It's going to be quite a circus.

Posted on: 2013/12/17 18:27
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Atshushi, so much is unknown about Benghazi that remain to be uncovered. Dozens and dozens of the government contractors who were sited in Libya-we don't know what they were doing there. Congress has been prohibited from interviewing them to find out, under the guise of they're part of a criminal investigation.


Then press on it. Keep pushing and talking about it. I think you are wasting your time, but please do let me know when you uncover any evidence that Clinton was directly responsible (I already said that she is responsible, okay? It happened under her watch).

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Freedom of Information Act requests have been stonewalled. We don't even know where Obama and Clinton were during the 12 hour attack, and why no support was instantly sent-after all, the last of the killed happened many hours after the attack began and could have been saved. And I'll leave aside the cover up and distraction about the 'spontaneous' riot vs an Al Qaeda supported/aided attack on the anniversary of 9/11.


If you feel this strongly, don't give up.

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And Hilary's convenient concussion when she was called to testify still boggles the mind. Talk about accountability?


Baseless accusation. Evidence, please!

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Anyone who thinks a traffic jam in Ft. Lee is within a million miles of Clinton's exposure on Benghazi is stupid, na?ve, or delusional.


Two things are clearly not the same.

One is a serious allegation with no credible evidence (keep digging!).

I already said that *IF* Clinton is found to be *directly* responsible for the deaths of four Americans, she shouldn't become the President.

The other is a stupid allegation still under investigation (it initially appeared so ridiculous but not so stupid for the last few days....I want to know more about....because I don't like Christie, okay? I would love to see him making fool of himself and self destruct.)

IF Christie had ordered lane closure for no good reason (and I stress again, it's a big IF still), that's him abusing his power. IF so, in my view, Christie should not become the President. He shouldn't even be the governor IF this allegation turns out to be true.

Posted on: 2013/12/17 18:21
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All this Democratic circle jerk about the local lane closures only shows how they're scared to their pinky toes about Christie.


It would be comforting to think that your guy is feared by his opponents. I totally understand. I would feel the same to know Clinton is feared by your side. It's a good comforting feeling.

And maybe some people on my side do fear Christie.

I personally do NOT....because...well, I already said why many times.

Let's keep in mind that this is still under investigation. We do not have all the facts yet. I'm looking forward to learning new findings....or maybe this is just going to go away. We do not know at this moment.

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Four lanes diverted from local access is exactly what compared to four murdered Americans, on the anniversary of 9/11, under the watch of Christie's opponent in 2016-whose department was begged by the murdered Ambassador for help and was denied?


No one is arguing about seriousness of the two. People being killed is far more serious matter.

However, no credible evidence was found Clinton was directly responsible for it....although no matter what, she is responsible because it happened under her watch. And Obama bears the ultimate responsibility.

Would this hurt Clinton? Absolutely. But would this disqualify her? Not even close.

To be fair though, IF Clinton as the secretary of states, had ordered NOT to increase the security despite the request from the ambassador, then, yeah, I don't think she should become the President. But there is NO evidence of that.

If you feel that Benghazi still calls for further investigations, I'm sure there are plenty of GOP members who agree with you. Maybe you feel such evidence may be uncovered if we dig more. I do not.

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Which is the bigger scandal? A traffic jam or four dead Americans and dozens more injured? An alleged bridge lane coverup, or Benghazi victims being hidden from Congressional enquiries?
Christie, perhaps 'Four lanes closed? What difference does it make'
Mrs. Clinton, on record 'Four dead Americans? What difference does it make?'


If (again, I would stress that this is a big IF still; we do not know) Christie ordered his high school buddy to close the lanes for no good reason, that's clearly abusing his power. And in my view, it at least damages Christie brand as straight shooter tough guy. And I also believe that it disqualifies him as an elected official.

But again, we do not have all the facts yet. We just have to wait and see how this is going to develop (or not).

Posted on: 2013/12/17 17:15
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The point is, if I see racism, I will call it that whether it's here or there.


No, you're the type that will create the illusion of racism, to discredit someone's points. Big difference.

I hate to burst your bubble, but racism goes both ways.

The elections of 2008 and 2012 were largely racist results...by democrats.

Not voting for someone because of their race: racist.

However, voting FOR someone because of their race is equally as racist, and downright stupid.

Case in point: african americans voting almost 100% in line with Obama.


So are you saying that African Americans are stupid that they can't understand the Obama policies are terrible for them? If Romney policies are great for African Americans, wouldn't they have voted for Romney? I think African Americans are plenty smart to determine which policies would work for them.

Posted on: 2013/12/16 22:29
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Feel free to believe what you want, regardless of facts!


That's exactly what I had said earlier. And I added that it's your prerogative too.

I know people like you. I work with them. There is no way of reconciling the differences that exist between people like me and people like you. I can't convince you, and you can't convince me, right?

The only thing we can hope and try is to get more people on our side, whichever the side you are on. And the result of Presidential election is a good indication which side has more supporters.

I don't think you would argue that at the last election, my side won, yes? After all, Obama won. Romney lost. That's because more people agreed with Obama than people who agreed with Romney.

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I guess you feel the 61 million Americans who voted for a Republican instead of Obama did so because they're racist.


No, I don't feel that, and I never said that.

I did say I don't understand why people who are not wealthy white men would vote for GOP.

Some people hate Obama and his policies because Obama is black. Some people are unhappy with Obama for other reasons--reasons I can't comprehend.

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And the poll numbers showing how unhappy people are with Obama and his 'signature' accomplishment-wait for it-are doing it because they're racist!


That's what we have to wait until 2016. And where I would come back to my original statement: Christie is not going to survive the GOP primaries. I'm looking forward to hearing what kind of crazy sh** he would have to say to please the GOP base in order to win the primaries. I don't think he would succeed, but if he did, because of these crazy sh** he had to say, he is not going to win the general election. But he is the only GOP candidate who even has a slightest chance.

Of course, I could very well turn out dead-wrong. Someone said that it's pointless to discuss this at this early stage.

For example, DEM could put a very weak candidate, like Biden (I happen to like him, but I think he will be a very weak candidate). Or there may be another serious terrorist attack, which swings the opinion vastly to GOP side. Unlikely, but possible.

But I believe that by 2016, Obamacare would become something DEM can run on (positive rather than negative). Also demographic change will help DEM and hurt GOP.

Of course, that's my prediction. But at the last election, my fox news viewing colleague and I did a bet (Obama vs. Romney, if Romney wins, I shave my head, and if Obama wins, he will shave his beard) because I was confident (the bet was made even before Romney was the candidate; people ask me why I was able to make such bet. Easy; I watched GOP debates).

Anyway, it's time for me to go home.

Posted on: 2013/12/16 22:27
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Yes, GOP was once a great party. And back then, DEM was a horrible racist party. In our time that's reversed!


Yes, it's part of the looney left code to throw racism around. Next up-opposing Obamacare is racist because Obama is half black!


It is more difficult to criticize Obama and/or Obamacare without sounding racist; it's true.

Not all criticisms are racial, this is also true.

However when the right wing extremists talk about Obama and/or Obamacare, it is racism.

Opinions of such extremists have to be absolutely rejected.


Since you feel every supporter of the GOP is extreme and right wing you therefore call every Republican racist.

Of course, many would call Japanese treatment of non-Japanese as racist. (Hint-one such group is the United Nations). Are you as active as combating racism back in Tokyo as you are in your adopted country? If not, why not? Could I say all Japanese racist, because quite a large population is?


While I do not understand why anyone besides wealthy white men would support GOP, I do not recall saying that everyone who supports GOP is a racist (But I consider them ignorant, ill-informed or misguided).

But I do say GOP policies are racist and anti-women and anti-gay policies. I am convinced of that.

If you can read what I have written in Japanese to Japanese audience over the years, you will know I am far more critical of their racist attitudes than my hostility toward GOP.

What my ancestors did to people in Asia during World War II is unforgivable. And racism against Koreans or other people from Southeast Asia still continues. I don't even blame you if you say all Japanese are racist because from outside, it can be seen like that.

The point is, if I see racism, I will call it that whether it's here or there.

Posted on: 2013/12/16 21:40
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You have to know your enemies:

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/

Posted on: 2013/12/16 21:22
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Yes, GOP was once a great party. And back then, DEM was a horrible racist party. In our time that's reversed!


Yes, it's part of the looney left code to throw racism around. Next up-opposing Obamacare is racist because Obama is half black!


It is more difficult to criticize Obama and/or Obamacare without sounding racist; it's true.

Not all criticisms are racial, this is also true.

However when the right wing extremists talk about Obama and/or Obamacare, it is racism.

Opinions of such extremists have to be absolutely rejected.

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Yes, GOP was once a great party. And back then, DEM was a horrible racist party. In our time that's reversed!

Posted on: 2013/12/16 21:05
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I'll say it again-the intolerance of those who demand tolerance themselves always amuses me, not least of all because they are self blind to it.



And this concludes this debate, okay? I have to get back to work.


On the second thought, I will say one more thing before getting back to work.

GOP is asking for tolerance for their intolerance. I argue that intolerance can only be combated with intolerance.

In other words, I do not tolerate their intolerance.

Posted on: 2013/12/16 20:21
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I'll say it again-the intolerance of those who demand tolerance themselves always amuses me, not least of all because they are self blind to it.



And this concludes this debate, okay? I have to get back to work.

Posted on: 2013/12/16 20:10
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When you have people here getting moist over disgusting and vile insults to women who are Republican I feel ok to call them looney-because, after all, they would be outraged if someone made the same comments to a woman who is a Democrat.


Call me anything you want. I don't know you. You don't know me. I don't take it personal.

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Oh, that's right, you say the dumbest people are GOP women. Next to GOP homosexuals.


Yes, the only people who I at least understand why supporting GOP is wealthy white male. I don't blame them for wanting to protect their wealth or social status. I have moral objections to them, but at least what they are doing is consistent and I understand it.

I honestly don't understand why women, LGBT, minorities, middle class people want to support GOP. To me, it's like being Jewish and Natzis at the same time! Why support a party that hates you? I just don't get it.

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Are you a closeted misogynist because of that? Or just believe it's ok to insult people when they aren't of your political party?


I'm a feminist. I support equal pay for women (GOP does not). I support reproductive rights (GOP does not). I support Violence Against Women Act (GOP does not). For those reasons (and there are many more), I hate GOP, and I'm not afraid of offending anyone.

And I'm not a politician nor am I a public figure. I can say whatever I want to say (if the moderator finds it offensive, let's them decide that). And this is a forum on the Internet. If you don't like what I say, just ignore it and move on.

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You get props for being open about your looney leftiness!


Thanks, I guess. But keep in mind that I called myself that in a sarcastic way (because you called people on my side looney left). As far as I'm concerned, those who are crazy are people on your side.



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I hope you're as charitable with Governor Christie not knowing about the Fort Lee lane closings as you are about Obama and the IRS scandal. :)


Of course! I have not seen credible evidence to suggest that Christie was behind this or was anyway connected to this. I personally think that the allegation Christie did this to spike Fort Lee mayor is ridiculous (He was going to win anyway with or without his endorsement).

But at the same time, I haven't seen the evidence that he had absolutely nothing to do with it, either. "A mistake got made", he said, right? That's what politicians say to down play the seriousness of an issue. How was this mistake made, is I'm curious to know.

And IF (IF okay?, that's a big IF) Christie had something to do with this, his reputation of straight talker (no bulls*** above politics guy) is going to be no more. In other words, Christie brand will be damaged. IF it gets to that, it's going to hurt him with his ambition.

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As far as landing hard on groups that engage in political support while seeking tax free status-shouldn't unions be held to the same standard? Is that ethically correct, not to mention morally correct??


I don't think so. While I do not always agree with what unions do, I believe that they exist for a good reason. I do not believe the same for conservative groups. So I don't advocate for same treatments.

Please keep in mind. I'm a loony left. I consider conservative movements fundamentally flawed and evil.

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Atsushi you should read up about the IRS scandal-yes, they did finally (in some cases years after the applications were filed, and unsurprisingly AFTER the election) approve some of the conservative groups status.


This is a scandal ONLY if Obama instructed IRS to do so. I have not seen credible evidence of that.

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But the IRS had admitted its guilt by apologizing for the targeting of conservative groups-you do know that, right?


I thought that they apologized for using this tactics. In other words, there were no political motives behind it. Again, I have not seen evidence to suggest that there is a larger political motives behind this (or Obama was behind this). If you have the evidence published by reliable source, please do post it here. I would love to examine it and change/adjust my opinions.

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And now Obama is pushing for stricter controls, while exempting unions (his base, obviously) from similar controls. Hey, it worked for him with Obamacare (until the unions ended up reading the fine print).


I don't find this ethically or morally objectionable.


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I got into this "debate" originally to express my view on Christie, which is "He is not going to survive the GOP primaries and even if he miraculously does survive and gets to be the nominee, because of the things he had to do to please the GOP base, he will not win the general election."

To add to this original prediction, I will also predict that at some point in the campaign, Christie will lose his temper and the media will criticize "Is Christie Presidential?"

I personally like the fact that he is a straight talker. But what works in NJ does not work nationally.



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You're just repeating the defensive meme that liberal groups were also targeted by the IRS, without mentioning how the overwhelming numbers denied were conservative groups.


I thought that all but one conservative groups were in the end granted the 501(c) status? I do admit that I do not have the exact number. If you say that overwhelming numbers (of conservative groups were indeed) denied (the tax exempt status), I don't have the clear fact to argue against it.

But to get this status, a group must be primarily to promote social welfare. So in my opinion, IRS was doing its job and has nothing to do with Obama. So to me it doesn't raise a red flag even if overwhelmingly conservative groups were scrutinized than progressive groups based on some words in their names. That's wrong of IRS strategy (They were just trying to do their job efficiently), and Obama has nothing to do with it. Darrell Issa is GOP's attack dog, and he has already lost credibility on pretty much everything. If you think this is some big Obama conspiracy, why don't you keep pursuing it? I have not seen any credible evidence that Obama orchestrated this. But I would be interested in examining credible evidence if there were any.

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As for Obamacare, just look at how the overwhelmingly majority of Americans feel about it.


The law has been unpopular; you are correct on this one. But this loony left believes that once people realize its benefits, popularity will rise (look at Social Security and Medicare; the same thing!).

I personally like Obamacare though.... although I do prefer single payer system (Some people on the left are not happy with it because Obamacare does not go far enough).

If you oppose it, why don't you support a candidate who is committed to repeal it? You (assuming you are an American citizen) can do that, right? I can't (I'm not a citizen).

And because I have health insurance through my employer, Obamacare really affects me little at this time. But it gives me a peace of mind that I can always get coverage even if I lose my job (or had a pre-existing condition).

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Why has Boehner put his staff on it, and Harry Reid exempted some of his-after saying he wouldn't. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.


Not sure how to respond to this one. Obamacare was supposed to be for people who don't have insurance through employment. People in Congress already had insurance through their employer: the government. So it puzzled me why politicians had to give this up and get a health insurance through Obamacare.

So what part of Obamacare specifically do you oppose? Are you personally negatively affected by it?

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You're great at quoting, but you're making stuff up. Just to debunk your 'debunking', the IRS targeted conservative groups-and Jay Carney apologized for doing it. As Obama apologized for lying to the public about his 'signature' program.


Obviously, we don't have the same facts, and I can't convince you. So I'm just going to state this again: IRS targeted both conservative and progressive groups.

I would characterize Obama's "If you like your insurance, you can keep it" as mis-leading. I'm unhappy that he said it in this way but quite different from your reaction. I'm not happy because he didn't take more combative tone, like "Listen folks, the insurance polices that are cancelled under Obamacare are substandard, garbage policies that do not cover anything. If you like these policy, that's because you have been misled by insurance companies. You would be better off with a new policy you can buy under Obamacare."

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And you're ok with someone on the looney left talking about crapping and peeing in a woman's mouth because she's a public person?


YES.

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As if someone on the right saying the same thing about a public woman-say, the First Lady-you'd be ok with that? You'd be fine with that? Or maybe suggesting she should be strung up? Fine by you?


YES, I would be absolutely fine with that. For example, I have no problem YOU saying that. It's only not cool if a journalist or public official making comments like that. The same rule does not apply to normal folks like you and me.

But at the same time, I do acknowledge that it is more difficult to say nasty things about Obama without sounding racist. But I'm sure you can manage that.

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I'm all for freedom of speech, but I'd be disgusted at such hateful and harmful words. Apparently we differ.


That's fine that you find this disgusting. I don't. Yes, we differ.

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Poor atsushi. Don't you know Christie is in favor of granting in-state tuition to all residents, legal or illegal, but like the vast majority of NJ residents he opposes giving them grant money? And you must be really annoyed at Obama, whose level of deporting illegal aliens is epic in numbers. How do you feel about that?


These are some of the reasons why I don't think Christie is going to survive the GOP primaries.

Yes, there are a few things I'm not happy with Obama. For example, use of drones, NSA policies, to name a couple. But overall, I give Obama 4.5 out of 5 (you can disagree, of course).

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The Democratic war on women (just how loud were the voices from the left commenting on the misogynistic and utterly disgusting Bashir talking about shitting and peeing in a woman's mouth? And you're complaining about Christie? Did Mrs. Clinton call out for MSNBC to fire Bashir?


Don't forget Bob Filner, Anthony Weiner and John Edwards. But they are personal failures; not misogynistic policies of GOP. I don't think we need to argue which party is anti women. We can see which party women tend to vote for. We don't have to dig too deep to see women tend to vote for Democrat...despite these bad examples listed above. That's because GOP policies are anti-women.

Bashir shouldn't have used that kind of language because he is a journalist. That's the job of regular folks, like you and I or of comedians.

And Sarah Palin is a public figure. We can make fun of her all we want. We as regular folks can employ any language to put her down. That's what the freedom of speech is for. So you can make fun of Hilary Clinton, and that's perfectly fine with me.


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And Christie ordered the closing of the local lanes to the bridge? Was that reported somewhere, outside of a looney left wet dream that is turning into a Democratic circle jerk?


This first appeared total ridiculous, as Christie had put it himself. I do not know how this is going to play out, but *IF* this connects Christie, it's not going to help him for his national ambition. It's going to hurt him--enough to kill his presidential candidacy? I don't know.

But when Romney asked Christie if he would be interested in being his running mate, his campaign asked Christie for full disclosure, and I heard that Christie was unable to give it. So Romney decided not to pick Christie because he would be more a liability. I do not know how much of this is exactly how it played out.

I am interested in learning what kind of ugly stuff would come out if Christie does run. Imagine the kind of scrutiny. Whatever is going with this lane closure would be nothing in comparison if he is a Presidential candidate. For example, some questionable things he conducted when he was an attorney general (for example, abusing his authority to walk away from a car accident).

I can't speak for other loony left, but I am looking forward to seeing him run. And what kind of crazy things he would have to do to please the GOP base. And if he miraculously wins the nomination, those crazy things will prevent him from wining the general election.

Again, I do not believe he will survive the GOP primaries, but if he does, he would be a very lame candidate as Romney was.

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I'll bet you thought when Obama said he didn't know about a) the IRS targeting of conservative groups,


This has already been debunked (progressive groups also received extra scrutiny).

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b) the phone tapping of foreign leaders,


The U.S. government has always spied on foreign leaders. Obama did not start this. I as a looney left am unhappy, but blaming Obama is missing the point.

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c) Eric Holder's Fast and Furious,


Yes, I am very unhappy about this one.

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d) the re-engineering of the unemployment numbers just before the election you believed him.


Just like IRS, this has already been debunked.

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But when Governor Christie says the same thing you feel differently, lol? Oops, partisan politics again.


I don't think I ever claim that I'm not partisan. I am. I don't view the conflict between DEM and GOP as liberal/progressive vs. conservative. I view this as good vs. evil.

So yes, if Christie says the same thing, I would probably feel differently (because I don't view him as a good person). That's not an accusation, okay? It's just my personal opinion.

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And for whoever commented upon Governor Christie's, er, manhood-do you feel it would be ok to comment on Mrs. Clintons backside, now that Christie's is smaller than hers?


Again, they are public figures. It's absolutely okay to make fun of their weight, backside or hairstyle, whatever.

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Or Obama's ears flapping about? Or is insulting someone ok only when directed to a Republican (see Governor Palin above). (Hint, the answer by the looney left is no to my first and second questions, and yes to the second).


I am indeed unhappy about Obama not being more combative against what I consider GOP bulls***

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The intolerance shown by those who demand tolerance can be quite amusing in its hypocrisy.


Not sure how to respond to this one. Perhaps both sides are guilty to some extent.

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Christie will never survive the primaries south of the Mason Dixon.

He thinks women, gays and immigrants should have some, but not all the rights of others. Far, far too liberal for todays' Republicans.

Not only that, but he had the audacity to work with Democrats instead of following Congressional Republicans lead of running home with the ball when you lose.

All that said, sorry but what is the defense to I didn't like what a mayor did so I decided to fark over his city by ordering a corrupt agency to ruin traffic there? How is that a defensible act?

It shows Christie is as petty and partisan as the big bad teachers union, meanwhile the PA and police unions walk all over us.

Christie is big on cutting taxes, we are told, let allowed PATH fares and tolls to rise...property taxes...HA...$24 million so he doesn't have to face Booker on the same day...

He is the tallest midget in a party where Senate candidates think women's bodies shut down rape. That's a celebrity because they have nothing else.

Who cares what Clinton did. I don't like her. But I'd vote for her over the cesspool on the other side, which isn't about less government or lower taxes. It's about right wing fundamentalist Christians and corporations and neither of whom should have any role in our government.


I completely agree!

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A Whole Foods.


Ha! That's funny!

Posted on: 2013/12/13 18:13
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Re: Chris Christie 'Suspiciously Connected' To Revenge Traffic Jam
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This story shouldn?t be remotely plausible, but it gets traction because of what the public already knows of his tendency to behave unprofessionally. I think that's a bigger story than the traffic jam.


He may be funny on TV, but he is NOT presidential. And his policies suck!

Even if miraculously he gets to be the GOP nominee, he is not going to win if Clinton runs, which I'm sure she will.


He's not presidential? Two people have been removed from the PA over the traffic jam-which is TWO MORE PEOPLE than have been removed over the debacle we call Obamacare. (You know, the 650 million dollar website that doesn't work, the millions losing the insurance they were told they could keep, yadda yadda).

Please try to figure out what Presidential means to you outside partisan politics, lol. And while polls change, right now Christie is ahead of Mrs. Clinton. And the press won't give Mrs. Clinton a pass the way they did Obama. Lots of time for Benghazi information to come out.



Please believe whatever you want to believe, including what Fox is telling you about Bengahazi and made-up conspiracy theories. It's your prerogative.

No one knows for sure what's going to happen in 2016. That's why my prediction is just prediction. And my prediction is A) Christie is NOT going to survive GOP primaries and B) even if he miraculously gets to be the GOP nominee, he is NOT going to win the general election....although I do believe that he is the only GOP candidate who even has a slightest chance.

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This story shouldn?t be remotely plausible, but it gets traction because of what the public already knows of his tendency to behave unprofessionally. I think that's a bigger story than the traffic jam.


He may be funny on TV, but he is NOT presidential. And his policies suck!

Even if miraculously he gets to be the GOP nominee, he is not going to win if Clinton runs, which I'm sure she will.

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I think the Christie-yites are feeling desperate. They know Christie has done nothing good for NJ. In fact, Cuomo has far outperformed Christie.


Yup, real desperate. Did you miss the November election? The 'Christie-yites' you mention were black, white, latino, male, female, rich, poor-in fact, his appeal extended across gender, race, economic status, and most importantly political party.

The sheeple trying to make a mountain out of a small traffic jam are the same people (like State Senator Nia Gill) who are trying to shift blame from Obama for 800,000 NJ residents losing the healthcare he promised they could keep, to Christie for not setting up a NJ program (which was part of the 'settled law' featured in Obamacare).



My prediction on Christie surviving GOP primaries: ZERO

Posted on: 2013/12/13 16:29
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Who cares?? This is not Brooklyn, nor should people think it is. If you want Brooklyn, live there. Why do people continually feel the need to force this comparison on any part of JC? Most of us live here because its unique, and not Brooklyn. And that's no slam against BK.

SMH


I disagree. Many people who have never been to Jersey City have no idea what JC looks like. I am myself often asked what JC is like by my colleagues. I live in Van Vorst Park neighborhood, so I tend to say it's like a smaller version of Brooklyn, and it helps.

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Re: 'House Hunters' couple to visit three Jersey City homes
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If you have a friend who won't visit you because of a place that you live, no matter where it is, then I seriously would not consider that person a friend. Add to that the fact that JC borders Manhattan and can be reached in a matter of minutes, and I'd say you have some pretty sh*tty friends!

So these friends of yours don't leave Manhattan, for any social reason?


I developed my belief/opinion (If you live in JC, your cool friends in NYC will NEVER come to visit you) through having talked with my neighbors in JC.

Since then, I had rarely encountered the opinions that challenge it. Obviously this is one of those rare moments. So I have to concede that some people in NYC do come to visit their friends in JC. (Perhaps I should say, "If you live in JC, your cool friends in NYC would rarely come to visit you.")

I don't work in NYC (I work in NJ), and I don't have any family members or relatives in NYC (they are not in this country). So the only connection that I have with people in NYC is when I play music (I play Irish music with fiddle and attend musicians' get-together, called "session" at Irish pubs).

Almost all musicians who attend these sessions live in NYC, and I've never even tried to see if anyone would come to JC to play music with me (obviously because of what I believe).

I don't exactly call them my friends because we only play music at sessions and do nothing else. And based on what they ask me, like "So are you still living in JC? (as in "Are you still stuck in JC poor Atsushi?"), I'm just not interested in engaging with them. Why bother? is my attitude.

I believe I'm a pretty enjoyable musician to play with, so maybe if I ask them if they want to come to JC, some of them may. Or not...

Maybe I shouldn't have accepted what my neighbors had expressed to me so easily, but my wife who works in NYC and has tons of friends and is 1,000 times as sociable and out-going as I am had expressed me the same thing. So I'm not sure if I should reverse my opinion.

Honestly, I would love to hear from more people:

Do your friends in NYC really come to visit you?

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It was funny to hear at the end that their friends in Manhattan are not coming to visit them, which I have repeated many times here (If you live in JC, your cool friends in NYC will NEVER come to visit you).


What type of friends do you have? I have visitors almost every weekend from NYC, BK, Bx, SI and even Queens. The only set of friends that have not visited me as of yet are my buddies on Long Island but other than that my friends have no problem stopping by for a visit.


It's great that you have friends in NYC who come to visit you. Honestly I envy you. Obviously, I don't have that kind of friends.

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That real estate agent is AWFUL, lol.


Really? Specifically what is wrong with her?

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