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Re: C-Town Being Sold
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Please let it become a Trader Joes or a Whole Foods or Something really nice.



It's neither large enough, nor attractive to them without parking. Chains like that would need parking since they would be looking for patrons from Hoboken etc. The best you could hope for is something like Hoboken's Basic Foods, but without Washington Street's foot traffic I doubt even that. "Go" failed nearby with far smaller ambitions.

Posted on: 2010/8/29 15:53
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Re: C-Town Being Sold
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I'm laying odds on a teardown for a condos as high density as they can bribe for. I doubt there's a business that'll want a space that large and off the beaten path that has no parking.

I'm not saying that it couldn't be a great midsize grocery or a larger restaurant than we typically have away from the waterfront (Embankment excepted), just that even in this market a condo builder would be able to offer far more for the lot, and I'll bet it'll be priced as such.

Saradove, it's only a few more blocks to Village Pets. BJ's has the best deal on scoopable though.

Posted on: 2010/8/28 21:27
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Re: I-78
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It astonishing that they would issue simultaneous permits to close down lanes on BOTH the main south/west conduits out of JC. But we've seen this before, like closing 2 of the 3 roads connecting downtown to Hoboken.

Posted on: 2010/8/26 17:16
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Re: Electronic Recycling
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Last I heard, places like Best Buy & Staples had to be paid to accept dead electronics. If the IA now accepts them (they didn't used to) that's where I'll take the stuff. I felt really bad just putting out a malfunctioning 19"crt last month, but I knew of no viable options.

Posted on: 2010/8/24 20:45
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Re: FARMS IN THE CITY - JC Independent Article
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It's absurd that they're doing this "feel good" crap when they can't even do the supportive stuff that many communities do, like the Parks & Forestry providing mulch & compost.

That you can grow food in the city, even just in containers, should be news to no one. Right now, figs and grapes are ripe all over town.

Posted on: 2010/8/23 17:43
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Re: Newark Avenue StreetScape
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I don't have time to list them or link them, but there are many, many similar set-ups where the merchants were initially against closing a street to vehicular traffic and making it pedestrian only.

After the fact, they are thrilled with the results which have improved the areas in just about every way. In just about every case, they would NEVER go back to a trafficked street.


One only has to look at the facades of the enterprises on the south side (who for some reason didn't get to participate in the facade program for the north side) to realize that they have no ability to see how externalities, whether investing in their storefronts or having a pedestrian plaza, might improve their businesses. I'll bet even those who though it might improve business feared they might get their rent raised.

People just fear change, I sure do!

Posted on: 2010/8/18 0:27
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Re: Newark Avenue StreetScape
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Brewster, then those are some really, really stupid merchants. How can they not understand that a constant flow of pedstrians would supercharge their business? They think that people passing by in cars are their customers?? Yeah, because parking is so abundant over there.

I can guarantee the owners of LITM, Skinner's Loft, etc would not be against making it a pedestrian area.


My discussion was with a representative of the Newark Ave Business Improvement District. I'm sure that POV is more of the retailers than of the bistros you name.

It seems most streetscape incentives around here are more like lipsticking the pig than actually changing paradigms. I saw the original plan for the Grove st plaza reno, and they were still planning on reopening the tail of Newark. Thank God they didn't. You've got to really hand it to Bloomberg for not being afraid to gore a few oxen in the course of trying for real changes to midtown.

Posted on: 2010/8/17 19:25
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Re: Newark Avenue StreetScape
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First of all I currently see no, or at least very few, trees on Newark Ave. between Jersey Ave and Grove Street.

Secondly, that strip of Newark Ave between Jersey and Grove really SHOULD be pedestrian-only. Is there really a need for vehicular traffic there? For what, to go and make a right on Grove Street?? Those very few drivers that would do that can just turn right on Jersey and left on Columbus.


There's some pathetic tiny potted trees.

As for traffic, I've been told that the merchants freak out at the idea of even making it one way, never mind traffic free, they think people just driving by and in buses are their best customers. They apparently also depend on people illegally parking on the south side sidewalk.

That section is an ongoing clusterf$#k to drive or bike with no one even trying to fix it. My opinion is there's not quite enough pedestrians to warrant a mall, but it should definitely be one way eastbound with loading zones among the meters so that trucks can deliver without double parking.

Posted on: 2010/8/17 15:46
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Re: HUGE GAS LINE COMING? Companies look to run natural gas pipeline through Jersey City
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Thinking like a terrorist for a minute...

What's to stop me from opening a break in the gas pipeline beside the train tracks, waiting for a train to pass carrying chlorine or some other toxic chemical, denotating a small incendiary, and creating a toxic gas cloud that not only threathens Hudson County, but all of NYC?

Sorry Spectra. You're totally clueless when it comes to "Risk Assessment".


That's ridiculous. Big energy companies are professional at assessing risk, BP bulls-eyes it every time!

It blew my mind to hear the failure risk of the single ram blowout preventer, if it actually worked perfectly, was 10% due to that being how much of the pipe was composed of couplers it couldn't cut. These guys are now all 100% full of shit in my book. Presumably there's similar safety vs cost "calculations" for pipelines where they balance their profit against our safety.

On another note, why is NYC and NYS always trying to offload it's nastiest problems to other states? They ship garbage through NJ to other states willing to bury it for them, rather than sucking it up and shipping it efficiently in barges up the Hudson and the canal system to bury it in it's own large backyard. But landfilling it upstate might lose votes, just like running the pipeline through Staten Island before sending it under the Hudson.

Posted on: 2010/8/17 3:08
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Re: Wind Turbines Are Coming to New York, and Not Just Offshore
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There was some recent article about the cost of transportation being a important factor in wind turbine cost, the reason US production can remain competitive vs. China as compared to photovoltaic for ex. This suggests to make sure policies favor this industry.

Personally I am all for it, yes there will be some bird casualties but many countries have adopted this technology which indicates it is limited. The only concern is noise which implies a reasonable distance from inhabitants whether in land or see.
As for view, well I see turbines as a sign of progress, it doesn't bother me as much as mountain top removal for coal where the industry argument that they can restore the land is really a fairy tale for children.


Yes, love it or despise it, a turbine will undoubtedly come down someday, but those appalachian mountains and their streams will just be gone. I've paddled the Cheat River in WV many times, it's bed is red and it has no life at all from a "mine accident" 20 years ago.

For better and worse modern transportation cost are a negligible part of most goods. I had a discussion with the beer manager at Buy-Rite about buying local products, and he said even shipping a product that was mostly water around the world was less a cost factor than the hops. Wind turbines could be an exception given the blades are HUGE, but for solar components, it's just another commodity.

As for birds, turbines have a long way to go to catch up with house cats.

Posted on: 2010/8/16 22:38
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Re: Wind Turbines Are Coming to New York, and Not Just Offshore
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great! More financial white elephant that have the added bonus of killing lots of birds. Windmills are even worse than solar when it comes to delivering reliable, affordable source of energy.


What's your answer: "drill baby drill"?

I agree no alternative energy source today is mature, they're where the electronics industry was in the 60's, without affordable marketable products due to immature technology. The laser had existed for over a decade but without the electronic infrastructure to utilize it's unique capabilities. Get my drift?

Personally I think there will only be 1or 2 generations of industrial windpower, other more efficient forms like photovoltaic will render their complexity obsolete. But what we're in now is the 1st throes of breaking the deathgrip fossil fuel has on our civilization. You can't expect infant industries to really compete effectively without at least getting the government subsidies that the carbon industries get in many different ways.

Just wait till the Chinese REALLY ramp up the export market in solar and wind products. Think about it, that LED flashlight used to cost $30 and is now in the dollar store. How cheap will solar electric panels get? How far is down?

Posted on: 2010/8/16 19:11
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re: using public space(s) for profit
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if i showed up at 6:45 and started using the court he was supposd to have reserved for his class at 7 i wonder what he would do?


Did you actually see a time specified on the list? I've been told the list is supposed to be a "waiting list" not a "reservation schedule". You sign up, and stay in the area till the court is free. Just like a bar pool table. If you're not there when your name is called, it goes to the next on the list.

Posted on: 2010/8/12 15:36
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Re: Anyone Get A Phone Survey About The Sheriff's Race?
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I don't know much about the race except that I've heard the incumbent's indifference, or hostility to charter schools, is responsible for LCCS not being able to get a street closed for kids recess like every other public and parochial school in town without a playground. Even when some of the kids are let out on a narrow strip of grass next to Belmont Ave, they're not allowed to play with balls! Sadly, they'd rather have recess indoors where they can play rather than in the fresh air.

Closing Belmont for lunch hours would be no more disruptive than the daily closing of Brunswick. There's plenty of alternative roads, but the Sheriff won't close the road in "his" park.

Posted on: 2010/8/9 15:36
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Re: Anyone Get A Phone Survey About The Sheriff's Race?
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Which candidate was getting slagged?

"Did you know that candidate X keeps small boys captive in his basement dungeon?". "does that change the way you will vote?"

Posted on: 2010/8/9 14:50
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Re: Vilification of public safety
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And the police and teachers who make 90k have been doing it forever. I was making 40k managing Starbucks...


Absolutely not true, unless you're 8 years old and 5 years is forever to you. See post #2 in the thread where I link to an NYPD site that lists pre-overtime pay at $91k after 5.5 years. You're either another victim of their "we're so underpaid" campaign or you're a part of it.

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Rather than complain, why not take the tests and reap the benefits of these jobs.


This is possibly the most asinine possible response with which to debate this issue. So, anyone physically unable to be a cop or firefighter due to age or health is denied the right to have an opinion on the pay and benefits of their public employee? So, if we feel corporate CEO's are overpaid too, we have no right to complain, we should all be trying to be CEO's?

IF YOU'RE IN THE UNIFORM, YOU WORK FOR US!!!

Sending the message "I've gotten over on the system, you should too or shut up" is the kind of attitude that gets people even more frustrated with our public employees.

Posted on: 2010/8/9 2:43
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Re: Jersey City is closing its police academy to save money
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NYPD can't train them the laws are different, state to state


I imagine that 90% of the training isn't on specific laws but skills that are universal. If they are training a class for us it would be simple for them to get separate classroom instruction specifically in the different laws. It would still be tremendously cheaper than maintaining our own academy, which is clearly not cost effective. I'd love to know the stats on how many other cities of 250k have their own academies.

Posted on: 2010/8/6 21:57
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Re: Music Box 7th and Monmouth
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It looks like it won't be the best idea for us (with kids) to move in here. There are chances we will be waking up at 2-3am now and then? One more thing, is it just drunk people talking loud or it gets violent, We thought Hamilton park is the best place to raise family.Have anyone tried talking to owner or police about it?


I bitch about the bar, but I'm raising my kids here without regret, the pros outweigh the cons, IMO. Occasionally my son who has a front room reports on post midnight craziness, but he'll survive without scarring. As for violence, I've never been tempted to go out and confront any of the thugs and their "ladies" making mayhem, so it's not my problem if they kill each other. There's never been shots fired if that's your concern.

As far as the cops, as I'm sure is noted somewhere up this thread, the "word" is the owners were all connected with PD & corrections. I have no idea about new owners, if they are new. I've noticed no obvious changes.

Posted on: 2010/8/6 21:42
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Re: Music Box 7th and Monmouth
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Have you ever been there? Do you know ANY of the people that go there?


No, because few, if any, of the patrons are from the neighborhood. Most drive there, park illegally, blare their alarms and gangsta rap, and scream at each other in the street when they leave drunk at 2 or 3.

And don't say I should have known better when I moved here, the place was closed then.

Posted on: 2010/8/6 18:14
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Re: Vilification of public safety
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Yes there are cop that have crappy attitudes, yes there are cop that are just plain tools. There are also cops that do ti because they actually care, there are cops who are just really great people. They deal with crackheads, filthy losers, complete jerks, abused children, crazed animals, dangerous situations.... and on and on! These men and women risk their lives everyday doing things that none else would or could do. If i could be killed on the job at any time i don't think its unreasonable to get great benefits.

Seriously... how is it possible as Americans we are totally enthralled with idiots that drink and screw all day long and they get paid well for doing it on tv. A guy can bounce a ball and throw it into a basket and he get 20+ million a season. A woman can force herself to cry on cue and does it in a movie studio she get 8+ million for a few months of playing dress up. Yet when it comes to our police, fire, medics and teachers we get all uppity if they make enough to pay most of their bills. The people that keep us safe and healthy and educate our future leaders make little more than i did managing a Starbucks. I poured coffee and i made more that some if my teacher friends... they are educating your out of control brats and i make more pouring freaking coffee!!!!!

Maybe if police departments could afford to pay enough to make quality people take the job, and if we compensate them enough to risk their lives, then there would probably be way less posts on here about crime in this city. Possibly if the police felt like they had something to work for you guys would have less to bitch about. I know i wouldn't want to help the people that bad mouth me all he time. I wouldn't be inspired to put my life on the line for the douchebags that say i should get paid less and cut my benefits while your at it. So... I'll die protecting you so my kids can grow up broke and one less parent... sounds fair. I just don't get it.


More misleading nonsense. I doubt you made $90k+ overtime + huge bennies and early retirement working at Starbuck. And those teachers, (if they work public schools) they get the summer off, they only work 180 days a year, and they still make as much as cops, they just can't retire as early.

Oh, and those Ballplayers and actors, I agree they're ridiculously overpaid, but they're in a free market.

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The free market cannot place a value on public sector pay, and obviously the public sector is too easy to manipulate with



Why not?


When was the last time you heard of someone bidding on a municipal policing contract? While it's technically not impossible (we've outsourced collections) it's politically unfeasible as well as a logistical nightmare. Can you imagine the winning bidder trying to get a police force installed and up and running with no continuity from the previous contractor? It would resemble what we've more or less failed at in Iraq.

The basic problem is the uniformed services have a policy of never admitting they are fairly paid, because doing so would put that pay on the table during hard times when everyone has to tighten their belts. So they are always aggressively pushing for higher pay, and guilting us all about it like the OP, regardless of what they are actually being paid. That, added to the fact that their contract isn't a "market" decision but a political one, leaves them insulated from the reality everyone else faces.

More than half of all union members now work for the public, and have the overwhelming majority of defined benefit pensions. Like congress getting a great public health plan they deny the rest of us, our employees are doing better than the rest of the workforce that pays them.

Posted on: 2010/8/6 2:22
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Re: Downtown: Debit Card Fraud at Chase Bank
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You still have cashiers looking at the friggin signature!


Instead of my signature, on all my cards, I've written "REQUEST PHOTO I.D."

Solves that particular problem.


I have that on my signature line as well.
I'd say 1 in 50 actually ask for it.


That's been my experience too. I have both the sig and photo ID request on my non photo cards after being warned that some particularly dimwitted clerks refuse to accept an "unsigned card".

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Re: Downtown: Debit Card Fraud at Chase Bank
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The ridiculously lax banking security has been a peeve of mine for ages. I've had a photo on my Citicard for 20 years, yet this is not even common, not to say required. You still have cashiers looking at the friggin signature! We have a cash replacement system that is as strong as it's weakest link, in this case a compromised card reader, that could easily have been done by a "customer" rather than a cashier. But what about all the waiters who have secretly run your card through a reader, or the ecommerce site that gets hacked, or your computer that's compromised and they get it all via a keylogger? The whole system is a sieve, but they've been raking in so much cash and passing off losses to us collectively that there's simply no incentive to change.

Don't even get me started on them also still use easily available public info like your mothers maiden name as security passcodes for phone banking.

See this about ATM scanners, and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

http://www.snopes.com/fraud/atm/atmcamera.asp

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Re: Jersey Journal Editorial Asks Healy To Resign
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I may be insensitive to the touchy-feely stuff, but being slow to comfort crime victims would not even be near the top of my stack of the reasons he should resign. I hope this is simply the start of a regular weekly feature: "Why Healy should resign". They won't run out of material soon.

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Re: Vilification of public safety
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Brewster, at what point did I say cops are underpaid? I also never said they shouldn't be criticized. What I said was to paraphrase was that when someone gives an opinion on a public forum such as Jerseyofficer did, and another poster responds by stating "most police officer's aren't that bright" and then you agree by stating "true" it gives your argument / opinion no creditability. Now you can twist my words or put whatever spin on this as you want, but that doesn't mean your right.
While it's true I didn't need to agree with the comment, I've heard for decades the apocryphal stories of candidates discouraged for being too bright for the job. But your whole focus has the "never disrespect the uniform" flavor that often leads to "disorderly conduct" arrests that end up costing the cities cash settlements[/quote]

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Incidentally you also stated that budget cuts are affecting the schools and teachers correct? if you compared the teacher's contract in Jersey City you'll see that their benefits are basically the same as police and firefighter's and there top salary is significantly higher then that of a police officer. Just the facts......
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But the teachers employments and contracts are often on the table but the PD's are not. I'd also be surprised if their actual income is higher, overtime is considered so normal that officers complain if they get less of it.

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I forgot another fact that you eronneously stated in your previous post. The police don't bring in money to the City? Please explain where the fines from parking summons, moving violations, and City ordinance violations goes? just curious since you did state that the police aren't supposed to make money for the City.

That's completely irrelevant to my point. We don't expect the PD to pay their way with summonses, but income is the main reason for the Parking Authority's existence. In most places it's a cash cow, not a liability. They had to sell public parking lots to be able to pay their salaries! Can you imagine them not being able to issue the 1 summons every hour that would cover expenses?

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Re: Downtown: Williamsburg's Barcade (Bar Arcade) Coming to Newark Avenue
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My friend bought a house in the Heights he wanted to do all the renovation work himself including the electrical and plumbing. The city told him in order to get a permit only a licensed electrician and plumber can install such systems in J.C. buildings.


That's got NOTHING to do with J.C. It's the law. You need to be a licensed electrician, plumber, contractor, architect, etc. to file for and do permitted work. There is nothing shady about JC demanding this.

I know firsthand how screwed up 30 Mongomery is, but all the same, there seems to be a lot of people here who either don't know the law & building codes or who do and think those laws should be bent or not applied when it comes to work they want to do.


I was under the impression that you could file your own in a single family, that it was state law. Is this not the case?

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Jeebus, +2!

Metincome: yes, that's the traditional choice given, support them or you're on your own. I'm sure back in the day there was a 3rd option of getting the crap beat out of you or a brick through your window.

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Give me an org chart... and I betcha I will find a ton of bs no show jobs and overlap.
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You left out the overpromotions. There's a fire captain or higher for every 2 firemen. This likely means just about everybody is a captain at some point and gets the nicer retirement.

To again beat to death my favorite illustration of how #OOPS#ed up our city is, remember a few years back when the Parking Authority ran into the red? Imagine the no-shows and fake overtime it takes for an agency that can basically mint money to spend more on manpower than it takes in. The FD and PD and MUA aren't supposed to make money so we never see such obvious nonsense, but we can presume it's all there indeed.

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Thanks Brewster for pointing things out to me... Maybe Jerseyofficer simply made a grammatical mistake( did I spell that correctly?) . It's obvious what your opinion is of Police and the public Sector, that doesn't mean it's right, to berate someone because of his/her opinion, "cops aren't to bright"only underscores one thing........Again nothging productive to add to the discussion so we resort to personal attacks and grammatical mistakes................I guess because it's your opinion that makes it right.. Must get awfully lonely on that mountain looking down on other people......


Thanks JC344 for illustrating how there can be nothing said but praise for cops or you get the hammer. It's a long standing policy to make cop pay the 3rd rail of politics. Hence while my 1st post wasn't personal, but criticized the continuing and misleading crying of poverty by cops as a cynical contract negotiation position, you seize on a comment by a different poster, and beat it to death to avoid the engaging in the substance. Bravo.

Grammatical error? Seriously? All I saw was a long tirade about why cops pay should continue to be off the table while everyone else is going broke and our kids are losing teachers to budget cuts.

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In Jerseyofficer's post he/she is merely expressing an opinion about people's perception of how the police and public sector are somehow responsible for the economic/budget problems we are currently facing. When I read it at no time did it come off as "bitching" ,but then again I don't pre judge.When you resort to statements like "cops just aren't that bright" it just shows that you really have nothing constructive to add to the discussion . When people resort to personal attacks and generalizations such as "cops aren't that bright" shows their level of intelligience.


The pay comments are in bold. The "brightness" lack is obvious, posting an unattributed screed without obvious quotations containing statements he didn't actually agree with.

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Sadly, public safety seems to always bear the brunt of animosity and is the onus of government despondency.

The age-old mantra of ?police make too much? for so long (and too long) has been cried.

The attraction to becoming a police officer or fire fighter because of its benefits should not be surprising or admonished. Are there any doctors, attornery, brokers reading this? Many of us chose professions outside of public safety for the very same reason!

Prior to becoming a police officer, I was a consultant for a prominent firm after having earned my MBA from Columbia University. I chose this profession because of its lucrative benefits. As the possibility of downsizing was on the horizon at my firm, I decided to fulfill a childhood dream and pursue a career as a police officer, taking a substantial reduction in pay, but with the promise of job security.

The benefits of policing may seem overly generous and even undeserving; however I challenge you to ask yourself, would you do the job for the same pay? Furthermore, lowering the pay or stripping the (few) benefits afforded to public safety will only reduce the hiring standards because no (qualified) individual will subject themselves to the harsh and hostile working conditions as they are today for miserly compensation

You only need to look at the NYPD to see evidence of my argument. Because of their poor compensation, they are forced to lower their hiring standards and hire in droves because of attrition but more importantly, termination for cause.

You may think that police do nothing?just go out and purchase a scanner and listen for yourself just what?s going on in your district. I bet you?ll think differently once you hear just how busy (and depending on the call) just how scary policing is.

?A policeman is a composite of what all men are... a mingling of saint and sinners... dust and deity. Cold statistics wave the fan over the stinkers...underscore instances of dishonesty and brutality because they are news.

What that REALLY means is they are exceptional, unusual - not commonplace. Buried under the froth is the fact that less than one half of one percent of policemen misfit that uniform. And that's a better average than among clergymen.

What is a policeman made of. He of all men is at one the most needed and the most unwanted... a strangely nameless creature who is "sir" to his face... and "pig" to his back.

He must be such a diplomat that he can settle differences between individuals... so that each will think he won... But if the policeman is neat, he's a flirt. If he's not, he's a grouch.

In an instant he must make decisions which require months for a lawyer. But if he hurries, he's careless. If he's deliberate, he's lazy. He must be first to an accident... infallible with a diagnosis... he must be able to start breathing, stop bleeding, tie splints and above all be sure the victim goes home without a limp, or expect to be sued.

The police officer must know every gun... draw on the run... and hit where it doesn't hurt. He must be able to whip two men his size and half his age....without damaging his uniform and without being brutal. If you hit him, he's a coward. If he hits you, he's a bully.

A policeman must know everything and not tell. He must know where all the sin is and not partake.

The policeman must, from a single human hair, be able to describe the crime, the weapon and the criminal.. and tell you where the criminal is hiding. But if he catches the criminal he's lucky... if he doesn't he's a dunce. If he gets promoted he has political pull. If he doesn't he's a dullard.

The policeman must chase bum leads to a dead end and stake out ten nights to tag one witness who saw it happen, but refused to remember.

He runs files and writes reports until his eyes ache to build a case against some felon who will get dealed out by a shameless shamus or an honorable who isn't.

A policeman must be a minister... social worker... a diplomat... a tough guy... and a gentleman.

And of course he will have to be a genius... for he will have to feed a family on a policeman's salary.?

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No one is arguing about being underpaid.


Your post says it half a dozen times.


You've exposed the real problem. Most cops just aren't that bright.


True, if they were they couldn't take the boredom of the job. It's really not as exciting as TV.

My favorite part of his response is the "you got problem with our pay, take the test". Classic aggressive response to the citizen who is his employer questioning his complaining about what he admits is adequate compensation. By that logic only other cops can question his pay package. Note, I didn't even say they're overpaid, all I said is stop the bitching.

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No one is arguing about being underpaid.


Your post says it half a dozen times.

Posted on: 2010/7/29 3:55
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