neverleft wrote:

posted Friday August 30, 2013

Drivers beware! More detours this weekend for Pulaski Skyway project

By Michaelangelo Conte/The Jersey Journal
on August 30, 2013 at 7:37 PM,
updated August 30, 2013 at 8:07 PM


http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... weekend.html#incart_river

TheBigGuy wrote:
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fat-ass-bike wrote:
My concern is that the kid wasn't charged and it would seem the matter has been concluded by police - Therefore he is not guilty of anything in the eyes of the law. If anything he is guilty of lying and speaking to the media about the lie - Then again if it was a crime to lie and lie in the public arena, every politician would be charged and guilty of a crime!

PS, He's still just a kid and would peoples thoughts be any different if he was 10 years old instead of 16. His dishonesty was a lie he carried for 3 days and it will now cost / haunt him for a life time - Anyone will be able to google his name in the future (especially HR depts. of any corporation) and hold it against him.

If he was charged and found guilty the records would have be kept 'under lock and key' because he is classified as a juvenile

Personally I wish the kid well... I hate to think any stupid thing (non-criminal) I did in high school would held against me 30 years later... I hope he has learned all the lessons that are to numerous to mention here... but it is a little disingenuous to say this was over in 3 days. This story went on for weeks, as did the official investigation. When graduation/summer came I think the administration/police already knew the results but said the investigation was ongoing with the hope it would disappear at the start of the fall school year. The media didn't let it drop, so here we are.

shakatah wrote:
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nyrgravey9 wrote:
Monroe makes a good point RE: Obama. But still, I haven't seen anything substantial in response to my question, taking race out of the equation.

Race and persistent poverty which spans generations can't be separated in this country due to our country's history.

But let's pretend that we could remove race. In this case I dont think stop and frisk would survive because the first time the policy was implemented on a race-blind basis there would be a nationwide outcry.

Imagine that someone gets shot in a wealthy suburb. The police decides to randomly stop, question and frisk people in that wealthy suburb without using race to determine who to stop. Imagine the reaction.

Result: Stop, question and frisk is history.

heights wrote:
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downtown wrote:
Did anyone drive out west and back to JC this weekend? Curious what the traffic was like on the alternative routes when the Pulaski was closed.

At around 5pm the Square from the Tunnel to 1&9 was insane. Everything was bumper to bumper both ways.

ianmac47 wrote:
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nyrgravey9 wrote:
Playing Devil's advocate here. What harm does Stop and Frisk cause?

Take race out of it for one second, if that's even possible for you guys.

More specifically, in an area that is rife with gun crimes (not just violent crimes, gun crimes), what are the palpable negative consequences of stop and frisk?

What is the problem with just entering someone's home? I mean, maybe we should just have a cop randomly show up at people's houses at all times to make sure people aren't committing crimes.

mscottc wrote:
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nyrgravey9 wrote:
Playing Devil's advocate here. What harm does Stop and Frisk cause?

Take race out of it for one second, if that's even possible for you guys.

More specifically, in an area that is rife with gun crimes (not just violent crimes, gun crimes), what are the palpable negative consequences of stop and frisk?

If you could take race out of it, perhaps you could claim it was reasonable. But since it seems to target people of specific colors, there's already a problem unless you aren't of those colors. Then there's the potential violations of the Bill of Rights. And BTW, I'm not one who is likely to be stopped and frisked, but I still think it's just plain wrong.

Dolomiti wrote:
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Monroe wrote:
Stop and frisk isn't limited to cops seeing people with gun bulges, of course. It's in response to a crime being committed and reported....

The NYPD has had a multi-year program of S&F based on pretty thin reasons -- e.g. "furtive movements." It's rarely in response to a reported crime.


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When they find someone matching the description they stop and frisk. Sometimes, in the course of this, they find drugs or weapons that have nothing to do with the crime they are investigating.

Again, they almost never find guns.

Most of the "drugs" they find are small amounts of pot. Y'know, the drug that may be legalized, for recreational use, in a few years....

There is really no indication that a wide-spread S&F policy does anything to improve safety.

We need police. We don't need a police state.

fat-ass-bike wrote:
A lot of assumptions - Even law abiding citizens have a short fuse or temper (licensed or not) and it appears that we have 2 knuckle-heads with guns.
This highlights and confirms the adage that guns don't kill, people do .... therefore people shouldn't be allowed to have guns unless they are tested for any mental or anti-social behavioral issues.

I guess in a few hours we'll get the who, what, and why about this incident on the nightly news.

Dolomiti wrote:
"Stop and frisk" would not have prevented this situation -- unless you advocate frisking every single person who rides PATH.

Rorschach wrote:
It's all about allocating his time where it will do the most good politically. It's clear Christie the Hutt will be reelected alas.

fat-ass-bike wrote:
I'd like to see the F1 cars, however with all the nascar competitions (sprint car - nationwide series etc) indy car races and even the sports car series, I'd be suprised if even more hurdles were in place for the F1 races; to protect the mentioned home grown franchises of motor sport racing.

With a difficult economy, motoring fans might only be able to buy / afford a ticket to one motoring event in NJ and the home grown events would be aware of it and should / would do everything to protect that potential income.

ianmac47 wrote:
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battle18 wrote:
Wondering if anyone has seen any homeless people staying down front of Riverview park. Last night we found a tent set up directly under my place on ogden ave. It's set up back from the Paterson Plank where it can't be seen from the road around that closed off cobblestone street.. We called the police around midnight but no one ever showed up. So...What course of action do i take against such vagabondry. I don't want them wandering through my alleyways or getting so close to my house.

Vote for progressive elected officials who will address the root causes of homelessness rather than conservatives cutting services that people rely on.