colleen wrote:
You're so right! Italians didn't mind being harvested as slaves, being used to build an entire nation's economy, or being denied basic human rights for a hundred years after emancipation. Why can't 'other people' be so understanding?

Godwin's law corollary on JCRaciaList.

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...This country has become so polarized with a President who refused to make small talks across the aisle...

I'm sorry but if you think this started with Obama, your understanding of history is about deep as a shot glass of water.

I do NOT think this started with Obama. However it's his JOB to work with the Republicans which he failed. Clinton reached out to the other side and he succeeded. In his impeachment, a number of Republican congressmen voted no. If it were Obama who got impeached, how many votes from the Republicans you think he would get? Zero. If you don't reach out, you don't get your job done. It's that simple. It is politics.

If anyone wants to attack my understanding of anything without first understanding what I said, I don't think it's worth my timing arguing with this person. Right now I don't think you are doing that, just to let you know.

Merry Christmas and f**k the "Happy Holidays" crap (I'm no Christian but I like the traditional holidays).

Vigilante wrote:
This would be the face of crime about 100 years ago. It's all about money/social status. I'm still nervous around Italians.

JCorNYC wrote:
Gee, I'm NOT surprised!

This is why i resorted to buying online. IF you I do go out and shop I resorted to small boutiques in NYC!

Malls is just not the safest way during the holidays anymore. that's the sad truth!

nyrgravey9 wrote:
Monroe save it for Zepp hall :)

See? I'm a uniter! Hahah

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Monroe is a great student , he has all the Fox talking points down pat. Bravo, you need to think for yourself Tool

Hey, I was shaking Mayor Fulop's hand at a Morris Canal fundraiser that I attended tonight in JC.

That's what centrists do, we're able to filter out the stuff we like from the stuff we don't like without rancor and calling people names because of their political affiliations.

Take that as a teachable lesson, you seem like you could use one.

Ok. What do you like about Obama, Mr. Centrist?

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Monroe, Monroe, Monroe,
you are hardly a centrist based on what you've written here. I don't know if you're rabidly racist, naive or stupid. I surmise based on your musings some combination of all of the above. Oh that's cute, state overtly that handing over the keys to blacks leads to failure rather than assigning any blame to the policies that were put into place before they assumed power. Similarly, you blame the entire plight of blacks at Obama's feet rather than the antecedents that got us here. As though he could fix decades of policies in 4 to 8 years. I grant you that Kwame Kilpatrick sucked and was incompetent but Detroit was on life support way before he came into office. I'm agnostic so keep your prayers yourself as you need them. Despite pitching yourself as an enlightened moderate/centrist, you seem to be a dreadful human being with a racist demeanor that you readily deny.

If there are fingers to be pointed, they need to arc back farther to the reigns of Mayors Cavanagh and Miriani, Gov. Romney and big oil. If there are lessons to be learned they are ones that should makes us wary of and oppose racial discrimination, demand corporate accountability and responsibility for the social toll their actions take, thoughtfully protect our public assets of which public transportation is one of the greatest and always question those who would build highways to escape rather than mend the mess they?ve made.
http://inthesetimes.com/article/15433 ... ation_and_corporate_chaos

lefty55 wrote:
Monroe is a great student , he has all the Fox talking points down pat. Bravo, you need to think for yourself Tool

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yeah Romney would have been the private equity panacea and savior blacks were all waiting for. Bish please. Again, the deleterious impact felt by blacks during the great recession predates Obama's arrival and we're still digging out from those trenches. Atsushi is on point. Working class whitesalso soured on Romney after the 47% comment as many fall in that category as well. If you are a rich then vote Romney and if you are a social conservative who is against gay marriage, don't believe in global warming/climate change, have your panties in a bunch over God and your guns -- thinking both being taken away -- and don't like people of color and long for the old days when blacks and Mexicans knew their places, vote Republican.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/111 ... ld-hurt-african-americans

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/03/opinion/03kris.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/18/opi ... ew-southern-strategy.html

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oooh!!! I wanna know!

lefty55 wrote:
Monroe needs to get an f'in life

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You not believing the head of the NAACP means you won't believe anything that disproves your 'theories', not matter the truth in question.

Which part of what the head of the NAACP do I not believe, are you saying? Will you point me to the specific statement that he had made?

I looked at the link you had posted, but I didn't find much, except that African Americans finance hasn't improved under Obama, which I had already agreed many times.

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I didn't expect atsushi to believe me, but I figured he'd accept the information from the President of the NAACP-but since the President of the NAACP agrees with me he's not credible to atsushi. Yup, the head of one of the largest and most honored group supporting African Americans disproves atsushi's theory. Oh well. I'll bet the head of the NAACP doesn't have Fox News or Sean Hannity on speedial, lol.

I thought that I had already agreed that the lives African Americans have not improved under Obama?

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And I'll add something else-many of my friends who are Obama supporters point to the stock market of how he's managed the economy. Gee, the rich have gotten richer under Obama!-how has that helped the poor and the lower middle class?

Yes, and if Romney became the President, the rich got even more richer.

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If atsushi is concerned about the poor affording ID (which many Republican groups have offered to help, and all the Democratic groups trying to enroll minorities to vote should do the same)

Really? That's new to me. Which Republican groups?

If this is true, it does tell me that not every Republican is a racist (But I kind of knew that already). To be clear, I had never said that every Republican is a racist. I said, "GOP is a racist party" or "GOP policies are racist."

But whether or not this is true, to me, things like this is more credible (I know; it's Huffington Post...has to be taken with a grain of salt).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12 ... oter-fraud_n_4455110.html

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"In August, former U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell criticized the argument of North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory (R) that his approval of a more restrictive voting bill would combat voter fraud.

?You can say what you like, but there is no voter fraud,? Powell said at the CEO Forum in Raleigh, N.C. ?How can it be widespread and undetected??

Colin Powell should have followed up the news as reported a few months later, when thousands of suspicious voters registered and voted in the previous election.

http://www.chathamjournal.com/weekly/ ... months-later-131024.shtml

As you might have already suspected, I don't believe this. I believe the article. I just don't buy the report published by Voter Integrity Project-NC. This organization seems to be founded by a conservative grassroots organizer, called Jay Delancy. To me, this guy (he seems to have been accused of being a racist) and this organization have zero credibility. And their claim has intensified my belief (GOP is a racist party) even more.

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I didn't expect atsushi to believe me, but I figured he'd accept the information from the President of the NAACP-but since the President of the NAACP agrees with me he's not credible to atsushi. Yup, the head of one of the largest and most honored group supporting African Americans disproves atsushi's theory. Oh well. I'll bet the head of the NAACP doesn't have Fox News or Sean Hannity on speedial, lol.

I thought that I had already agreed that the lives African Americans have not improved under Obama?

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And I'll add something else-many of my friends who are Obama supporters point to the stock market of how he's managed the economy. Gee, the rich have gotten richer under Obama!-how has that helped the poor and the lower middle class?

Yes, and if Romney became the President, the rich got even more richer.

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If atsushi is concerned about the poor affording ID (which many Republican groups have offered to help, and all the Democratic groups trying to enroll minorities to vote should do the same)

Really? That's new to me. Which Republican groups?

If this is true, it does tell me that not every Republican is a racist (But I kind of knew that already). To be clear, I had never said that every Republican is a racist. I said, "GOP is a racist party" or "GOP policies are racist."

But whether or not this is true, to me, things like this is more credible (I know; it's Huffington Post...has to be taken with a grain of salt).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12 ... oter-fraud_n_4455110.html

From the article:

"In August, former U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell criticized the argument of North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory (R) that his approval of a more restrictive voting bill would combat voter fraud.

?You can say what you like, but there is no voter fraud,? Powell said at the CEO Forum in Raleigh, N.C. ?How can it be widespread and undetected??

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Are you kidding? By what standard have African American's lives improved under Obama?

Care to share some facts to support your theory? (Like poverty levels, unemployment, food stamp participation).

And let me debunk your argument in advance

it's not Bush's fault, and there is no evidence that 'it would have been worse under a Republican'.

My theory is that black people are smart enough to determine which candidate would be better for them.

I didn't say that African Americans situation improved under Obama. Decades of systematic racial discrimination and downfall can't be just wiped out over night just because we have a black President for 5 years.

To argue that African Americans made a bad choice is one thing. But to say they are too stupid to make a decision for themselves is racist.

Perhaps you can enlighten me how African Americans would have been better off under Romny.

But how could possibly African Americans have come to such conclusion that Romny would be a better choice for them a year ago?

Remember 47% comment? He clearly said that it's not his job to worry about these people. A good portion of 47% is African Americans, yes?

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I just melted all my ice to fill one of the toilet tanks . . . gotta save those precious flushes!

You must have had a lot of trays of ice!

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mrasg1 wrote:
The city needs to send out automated
phone calls like they do for storms. Every
resident doesn't have a computer or tuning
into twitter for updates.
Hope Fulop didn't piss off Governor blowhard
like the mayor of Ft. Lee did!

No, if he wanted to screw with JC he'd figure a way to stop paying 76% of the school costs here and put the burden back on JC taxpayers!

And here is where the thread begins to tailspin.

richieveal wrote:
I would rather die fighting to protect myself then have an armed group take me. I don't see how insulting the comparison is. I bet if all those poor souls that lost their life to the nazi were able to defend themselves they would choose the fight.

mrasg1 wrote:
The city needs to send out automated
phone calls like they do for storms. Every
resident doesn't have a computer or tuning
into twitter for updates.
Hope Fulop didn't piss off Governor blowhard
like the mayor of Ft. Lee did!

CatDog wrote:
Odd, I thought we'd already had a referendum on this a while ago but I guess I'm misremembering.

Your title and post make it sound like this is some terrible thing Democrats are doing, but I don't see anything to indicate that Republicans are pushing for this. Could we maybe have a single thread on this site without it instantly turning int "arggghhh Democrats are always doing this" or "Republicans are the absolute worst!" Seriously tone it down every now and then.