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Re: The Village has Gone Crazy - R5 zoning but not in my backyard
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JCGuys wrote:
And yet another unintended f*ck up due to Fulop pushing off the reval for as long as he did. DanL makes an excellent point.

Irony is that downtown would have been better off if Fulop didn't interfere with the current one when it was underway. Now it has cost us over a million in legal fees and you bet appraisal companies are going to demand a premium for doing business in JC now because of our past shady undertakings. More unnessary costs.


Let's keep this on-topic pertaining to the zoning...there's a ~900 post thread bashing the reval.

Posted on: 2016/5/16 18:14
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Re: DEVELOPER TROLL goes crazy in our Village Neighborhood
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It's ridiculous how much power neighborhood associations are given in Jersey City compared to NYC. In NYC, they're more or less figurehead advisory votes and the city routinely ignores them, rightfully recognizing that most of them are made up of old crackpots and NIMBYs who in no way represent their current demographics.

Here, their asses are kissed and kowtowed to every which way. No doubt they've done some good things over the years for their areas, but they really hold back progress on a lot of different fronts like bike lanes, density, commercial development, etc.


This is SO TRUE. If you want another example of a neighborhood association that is almost singularly concerned with parking and how to stop or slow down development, check out PADNA. Personally, and one on one, they are all great people, but I wholeheartedly disagree with most of their positions, and the group could really use some fresh perspectives.


I'll bet a lot of you would be shocked to learn HPNA opposed a dog run in the park for many years. Sometimes these organizations just have belief systems.


Another example is the idiotic move by the VVPA to take the developer at Bright & Varick to court, even after it was very obvious they would lose. They decided to get the city involved and waste taxpayer and association money on an ill-fated lawsuit all because of "Wah, my free parking!".

The developer offered very reasonable concessions to the neighborhood and was well within his right to tell the VVPA to piss up a rope, which he will once the judgement comes in favor. He had originally offered Zipcar spaces and free membership for the nearby residents. Now we'll get nothing because people decided to make the central issue parking, despite there being not 1, but 2 half empty parking lots in a block radius. Thanks, VVPA!

Posted on: 2016/5/16 17:29
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Re: The Village has Gone Crazy - R5 zoning but not in my backyard
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up-zoning the area will only push property values higher and with the upcoming revel push their values and taxes higher with little direct benefit to them other than forcing them to cash out and leave


Dan you make a very valid point! Seems like really bad timing just before the Reval!


For Village property owners that want to hunker down and not improve their properties, it is in their best interest to oppose the R-5 since their property values - and taxes would increase. It's a selfish because the move to R-5 would
help taxpayers throughout the city. Look at Hoboken. There's constant improvement in the housing stock - extensive renovations, additions and tear downs replaced by higher value - higher taxed property.


Couldn't an argument be made that more housing, with equal to higher property values in the same land area would more evenly distribute the tax burden and actually help lower the taxes for some in downtown?

After all, how much is the city budget going to increase over the addition of 1-2 stories over what's already there? The amount of road/sidewalk/sewer/utility the city needs to maintain remains the same. And we're not talking about a terribly large swath of land, this is only a few square blocks.

Posted on: 2016/5/16 15:46
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Re: DEVELOPER TROLL goes crazy in our Village Neighborhood
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I'd wager that many of those against R-5 are also in favor of the Reval, under the assumption that the revaluation will restore fairness to the property tax structure - helping some of the poorest areas in JC.

If you want to help the disadvantaged, encouraging in place renovations and new construction is important. Much of the housing stock in the village is crap. Tear it down as needed, and replace with R-5. Four stories?shocking! The only wonder is why the push for R-5 has taken so long.


It's ridiculous how much power neighborhood associations are given in Jersey City compared to NYC. In NYC, they're more or less figurehead advisory votes and the city routinely ignores them, rightfully recognizing that most of them are made up of old crackpots and NIMBYs who in no way represent their current demographics.

Here, their asses are kissed and kowtowed to every which way. No doubt they've done some good things over the years for their areas, but they really hold back progress on a lot of different fronts like bike lanes, density, commercial development, etc.

Posted on: 2016/5/16 15:09
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Re: The Village has Gone Crazy - R5 zoning but not in my backyard
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Brewster - it is most likely that the poster is a developer and a
One that is known to the village. He spends a lot of time here due to his business dealings. I am sure he gets mail here due to his business dealings but he does not live here. Lets just leave it at that. Its not a crackpot theory.

There already is a proposal that was worked on with the vna to update the zone. However, keep in mind thaT even if you increase the height to 4 stories, some developers won't stick to that - they will still seek variances for greater height and density. That is the biggest concern and what has been happening in the village. There are certain developers that are known for this. they want to steamroll anyone that stands in their way.


Your whole argument is based on assumptions, "what-ifs" and fear-mongering, not what's actually in front of you. Provide a single example of variances being granted en-masse in an area that was recently rezoned. The whole point of updating the zoning is to stop all the variance granting.

Posted on: 2016/5/16 14:29
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Re: The Village has Gone Crazy - R5 zoning but not in my backyard
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Please keep in mind that the original poster is a developer that Seeks variances in the area - he lives out of town.


Just to promote clarity, that is just a crackpot theory of yours. I looked at his posts, they do center on property, but he claims to live here and has posted on other subjects. But why stick to facts when hysteria is so fun?


This has me more and more convinced that a lot of the neighborhood associations get their talking points faxed in from Yvonne. The NIMBY arguments get more unhinged and irrational every time something comes up. I'm surprised they haven't played the parking card yet.

Posted on: 2016/5/16 14:14
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Re: The Village has Gone Crazy - R5 zoning but not in my backyard
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And if you travel over to the village you would see that the streets in the village are very narrow - much more narrow than, say, hamilton park area. its probably amongst the most narrow in all of jc. It is not the type of area that ever contemplated 6 story buildings. Its not the views that residents are concerned about.

Please keep in mind that the original poster is a developer that Seeks variances in the area - he lives out of town. He stands to make a lot of money. His real concern is his profit - not the long term well being of this community or city - or the thoughtful redevelopment of the area. Lets not get so eager for "change" that we allow anything to go up in the name of change, only to have regret 20 years from now when we are stuck with it.


And the proposed zoning is 4 stories, not 6. You can disagree with the original poster's motivations, but that doesn't mean the area doesn't desperately need rezoning and needs it in a non-discriminatory way. This is, again, a very transparent and cynical ploy by officers of a neighborhood association to manipulate property values and neighborhood demographics to their personal benefit.

It would also seem the only thing we seem to be regretting, 20 years later, is the crap housing that's gone up all over JC because of R1 zoning.

Posted on: 2016/5/16 4:07
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Re: The Village has Gone Crazy - R5 zoning but not in my backyard
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we agree with DanL. The original poster, jcactivist, is almost certainly one of the developers that is seeking variances in the village to build multiple projects. Please note that while he builds in jersey city, he does not live here. He has no vested interest in this community other than making money. Of course they want variances so that they can jam more density in and make more money.


Who is this "we" and who do you claim to represent? A couple VNA members don't speak for all residents of the area. You want variances to end? Agree to a sensible zoning proposal. The decision makers in the VNA are certainly gaming this out to personally benefit themselves at the expense of a good chunk of the rest of their neighborhood, so I have no sympathy. Honestly, all this over a extra friggin story?

Posted on: 2016/5/16 3:01
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Re: The Village has Gone Crazy - R5 zoning but not in my backyard
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NIMBY garbage. What about the people living in the area who *do* want higher property values and better businesses a higher density will bring? Cities change - the few vocal NIMBYs and septuagenarians that make up the VNA who are pushing this split zoning nonsense (or opposing it altogether) are not entitled to anything. They don't have a right to keep things "the way they are" to the chagrin of everybody else living around here.

Is this petition linked online somewhere?

Posted on: 2016/5/16 1:41
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Re: What's going there?
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yes - here is trulia listing. 100% coverage on ground floor 25x100 http://www.trulia.com/property/306495 ... y-St-Jersey-City-NJ-07302
a bit far from everything imo. Still I wish them luck


Good for them, the VVP neighborhood desperately needs more local retail that isn't a hair salon or a medical/real estate office. I'm looking forward to visiting as soon as they open, whatever it may be.


Actually, Montgomery, starting west from the park, has a lot of abandoned and underutilized ground floor retail. If done right, it has potential to be redeveloped into a nice restaurant/retail strip.

Posted on: 2016/5/9 17:35
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yes - here is trulia listing. 100% coverage on ground floor 25x100 http://www.trulia.com/property/306495 ... y-St-Jersey-City-NJ-07302
a bit far from everything imo. Still I wish them luck


Good for them, the VVP neighborhood desperately needs more local retail that isn't a hair salon or a medical/real estate office. I'm looking forward to visiting as soon as they open, whatever it may be.

Posted on: 2016/5/9 17:14
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From what I've heard, the building that's part of Liberty Harbor North that's going up at Jersey and Grand (across the street from Brownstone Diner) is supposed to have 20k retail square footage and some sort of upscale grocery store was planned - there could be room for a Trader Joe's. Anybody hear any updates on what's ultimately planned for that building?

We've also got the Sunac Natural Market coming in at 70 Columbus and (hopefully) 99 Ranch is still planned to open up where the Pathmark was.

I really hope this summer brings an end to downtown being a grocery desert for those that don't own a car.

Posted on: 2016/5/5 18:23
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Re: Curvaceous new building is planned for the corner of Newark Ave & Third Street
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What does Yvonne think? A curvaceous building might be too suggestive for some.


+1 well done


Why is this even a question? It doesn't have a 4:1 parking ratio or have surface level parking of any kind. The ground floor will probably be a bar or restaurant or a useful business to the area, not medical offices. Of course she reviles it.

I bet she's already blasted emails to the Village Neighborhood Association and HPVA leaders to rehearse their talking points and oppose this at all costs.

Posted on: 2016/5/5 2:09
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Re: Jersey City mayor-elect orders end to citywide reval
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Several folks here have said that 1/3 will see tax increases, 1/3 stay flat and 1/3 see decreases. They've also said that the net amount of taxes collected by the city will remain unchanged. But this method seems antithetical to the reval's goal of ensuring each and every home pay 2.1% of its assessed value in taxes.

Hypothetically, say all the homes DT are paying just 1% of current value in taxes. All these homes are hit with a 110% increase in taxes to bring them up to the 2.1% level. Now lets say all the homes in the Heights, JS, GV and BL have at least retained the value they had at the last reval in 1988, so their 2.1% tax rate is still appropriate. This means their tax bill stays the same. In this scenario no one gets a tax reduction - all that happens is that the City raises a ton of new tax revenue from DT.

Folks on this thread have said homes in GV and the Heights are paying a disproportionate percentage in taxes above 2.1%. Is this actually the case? If I understand things correctly, for this to have occurred, these homes have to have a lower value today than they did in 1988 meaning that their current tax burden is northward of 2.1%.

I would have thought that almost every home in JC has appreciated at least somewhat since 1988 - even on MLK and Ocean Ave. Are their really any areas of JC where you will find a house assessed today at a lower value than it was assessed 28 years ago - and consequently paying more than 2.1%?

The point I'm trying to make is, just because DTJC is underpaying on its tax, it doesn't necessarily follow that the other hoods are consequently overpaying on property tax and are due for a tax reduction. The under-taxation of DT has no bearing on whether homes in Greenville are paying 2.1% of their assessed value or not - the relationship between the two is not causal.



I'm also curious where this 2.1% number is coming from. Isn't the tax rate derived from some arcane formula, the result of which changes year after year? If so, wouldn't it stand to reason that the percentage of assessed value people will pay would actually be 2017's tax rate (whatever it comes out to be) and not 2.1%?

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Once this is developed, there will be no parking. But let's get back to my second point, what is the real cost?


I seriously don't get what will ever make you happy. In other threads, you bemoan the lack of green space that's coming with all the new development. Right here you have the potential for one of the largest expansions of green space in quite a while and you bitch and moan about parking and the costs? People downtown pay for parks in other parts of the city that they're unlikely to use and vice-versa.

Please do yourself and everybody in this city a favor and move to the suburbs already.

Posted on: 2016/4/13 17:34
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Re: Jersey City mayor-elect orders end to citywide reval
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Err... no. For brownstones and other properties currently paying effective rates of under 1%, the correction will be at least 100%, and in the most egregious cases the correction may be 200%. Simply put, some properties downtown are currently paying effective rates that are less than 1%, and when assessed the "correct" rate of 2.1%, their tax bills will be twice or three times as high.


No doubt a brownstone could see its taxes rise 15-20k, but that's also assuming the demographic that's prepared to throw ~$2 million down on housing is going to sweat 15k/year. I don't think people planning on using them as long-term investment units are going to care too much either, the expense will just get passed onto the renters anyway. Property taxes are a tax deduction at the end of the day as well, so it wouldn't be an absolute monetary loss of whatever amount it goes up, either.

I'd be more concerned about the lower/middle tiers of the DTJC housing market. 1 bedrooms in non-luxury walkups and lower end 2 bedrooms, the potential buyer demographic of which an increase would weigh heavily.

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This is not so accurate. I looked very closely at the markets in Queens and BK before moving to DTJC: it's definitely cheaper than the desirable BK areas (DT BK, BK Heights, etc) but DTJC was definitely more expensive than Queens. I chose to stay here because I do enjoy/prefer living in JC, even the nicer areas of Queens are super crowded, which is an issue for me (and, many others, I am sure) and because my commute is as good (i.e., short) as that of friends living in the nicer, closer areas of Queens.


Where were you looking in Queens and how long ago? In the last couple of years, prices have really escalated. I'd still say compared to the "desirable" areas (LIC, Astoria, Sunnyside and possibly Woodside) I'd still say Queens is at least equal, if not slightly higher than DTJC. LIC and Astoria are certainly higher. Still gotta factor in the city tax you'll pay as well (and that money is as good as gone - you'll still get tax deductions for property tax).

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The biggest fear I heard last night was if this happens and you are not making 200k a year you just do not belong in zip code 07302 and not many folks were happy about that.


I think that's oversimplifying. More accurate would be if you are not making 200k a year you just do not belong in a single family brownstone in zip code 07302. Not to be callous, but if you've been here all your life and have paid off your mortgage on that brownstone but can't afford the taxes you will probably have to sell. You've been getting a sweetheart deal on the backs of those less fortunate and probably should have been more prepared.

The reality, when you look at a map, is that 07302 is the location and size equivalent of Dumbo, Brooklyn Heights, Cobble Hill, Vinegar Hill. So if you're priced out of owning in those neighborhoods, you're probably going to very soon be priced out of 07302.

This isn't the end of the world. It will slightly drive down prices downtown as we re-correct and also force folks into the heights, journal square, mcginley, and be-la. Property values there will start to rise just as they did in Fort Greene, Bushwick, and Bed-Stuy.


How bad do you think a correction in downtown would be? 10%? 15% at the most? I'm thinking whatever correction happens, there's so much pent up housing demand coming in from NYC, any excess inventory would get absorbed quickly and the dip would be very short lived. I'm sure the hedge funds and real estate speculators are also salivating. DTJC is still dirt cheap compared to gentrified areas of Brooklyn and Queens, even with today's prices.

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One thing I'm unclear on - can the city still appeal at this point? If that option is available, it almost certainly sounds like what they plan to do.

If that happens, is a stay put on the reval order? The city would almost certainly lose the appeal - but would that mean we're looking at a reval and new tax numbers happening later than 2018?


The city can appeal and says it will. But I've received no indication from the state that they think the reval case has anything to do with their reval order from last week.


In other words, the reval, as ordered by the state, will proceed regardless of whatever legal actions the city takes?

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A tense exchange between Mayor Steve Fulop and a Jersey City pastor on the impending property revaluation capped the launch yesterday of a new interfaith community action group.

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The Rev. Alonzo Perry Sr., of the New Hope Missionary Baptist Church, pressed Fulop on why his administration has not moved forward with a citywide reval, one Perry said would shift the city's tax burden from its less affluent neighborhoods to wealthier areas. Fulop's attempts to explain his reasoning for postponing the reval were met with occasional jeers from the crowd of about 850 gathered inside Old Bergen Church for the launch of Jersey City Together.

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One thing I'm unclear on - can the city still appeal at this point? If that option is available, it almost certainly sounds like what they plan to do.

If that happens, is a stay put on the reval order? The city would almost certainly lose the appeal - but would that mean we're looking at a reval and new tax numbers happening later than 2018?

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The proposal was approved unanimously.

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Was there any progress made last night or did it get moved to the next hearing?


Good. Maybe the NIMBYs should trot out better arguments than "Waahhhhh, we'll lose our free parking" and "Think of the children!" when they decide to oppose something. Unfortunately, they got their way with the R5 zoning.

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38 units and 40 parking spots...oh, my, goodness. This is 2 blocks from the Path, right? On a dense urban rowhouse block. Not in Montclair.

How is parking even allowed in the architecture on a building on a block like this. Its going to look like shit I imagine.

So dumb.


People aren't required to own cars but some people need them. If you don't want to use a spot then rent it and you have another car off the street. The pipe dream of everyone walking or biking everywhere is just that. Believe it or not there are some people in Jersey City who work in west Jersey. If they had figured out a way to move everyone's job closer to their home then we would have very little traffic anywhere. That too is a pipe dream.


I wouldn't care about parking so much as I care about the lack of retail. Why is an area like that still not zoned for mixed use? If all the ground floor of that unit were dedicated to retail, that could be a small supermarket. Or at least a place that sells something people could use. Not a damn parking garage or an overpriced condo or rental.

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what is going on there? when will it re-open? i thought it was supposed to re-open months ago.


Yeah, I wanna know this too. The construction doesn't look anywhere near done from the exterior and there have been no updates either on the JCPL website or Facebook page.

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I'm using Redfin to purchase my first condo - in the middle of it right now, and it's been pretty awesome.

I had been looking downtown for over a year, went through two regular agents before settling with Redfin. Speed is totally an issue downtown and even in JSQ (where I've ended up buying).
I started using Redfin's website just to find listings, and would see properties pop up on their site before my first agent(s) would notify me (and one of them totally said 'you're finding things before I even see them'). I finally just read about how they work and started using them.

It's a new model/online based, and I'm super happy with it. My agent there, Noah Goldberg, has gone out of his way to get us into places first, and now in the buying process, deals nicely with all my stupid first-time buyer questions and even ran to Montclair to pick up some documents from the seller's office for me one evening (I don't have a car). The refund of part of their commission to help with closing costs is pretty nice too.

Their website, redfin.com updates listings every 15 minutes or something like that (and pulls from all the different MLS's in the area - also see some FSBO places on there too). They have an app too, which they seem to think is awesome and the "future," but my personal experience is that it's not as up-to-date as the website...


Second the endorsement of Noah Goldberg. I used him when I purchased my downtown condo over the summer and he was fantastic. The RedFin site is also much better than Zillow or Streeteasy, in that it actually has accurate listings. I used a couple traditional agents prior to that who were both wastes of space.

However, he's in very high demand and I think they recently set a minimum purchase price to scale back , but give them a call and find out.

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NYC recently passed legislation requiring mandatory inclusion of affordable housing (MIH) in new construction in re-zoned areas. Here is an interesting follow-up read - not to say things all things are equal between development here and NYC, but there some are saying even with zoning bonuses, affordable housing won't be built without tax breaks as well - http://therealdeal.com/2016/03/23/leg ... ffectiveness-without-421a

The tax abatements may be on the table for a while here, to incentive the construction of affordable housing.


I don't have confirmation this was included in the legislation passed yesterday, but it would seem NYC eliminated parking requirements for such construction in the new zones: http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article ... ighs-reduced-requirements

This absolutely needs to happen in Downtown.

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Pathetic.

How long before Newport Mall is demolished and replaced like the new Hudson Exchange community? 10-15 years?

Why such a suburban mall next to PATH and a lightrail stop, 7 minutes from midtown and downtown Manhattan.


Are there any statistics on how well that mall's actually doing? From what I see, it's mostly mid-range stores I can find in teh city or any other suburb. I can't imagine anybody from outside of JC driving to visit it. If people wanna go to a mall, they'll probably go out for a nicer experience at Short Hills.

Though the movie theater is nice...they can tear the rest down and keep that.

Seems like it's another generational thing that'll be obsolete in 10 years. The mall rats generation is long gone, nobody wants to be cooped up in these things anymore.

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Good point...and it probably makes more sense to convert the retail level into a living space as has been done with so many other buildings in the area...because there's not enough foot traffic, especially during the day, to support a retail store.

Hoping that someone will buy the bundle and flip the lisence then the building. Not sure ho wrong he's owned the place for but it can't be easy working 365 days/year, no break, vacation, etc.

Weird, though, because the For Sale signs were all removed a year or so ago.


I noticed that too. Hopefully it means he wants to stick around for a while and maybe hand the business down. Local spots like that are why I moved here and why I want to continue to live here. The more of these places that pack up, the less appealing the neighborhood is and the more it trends toward a bedroom community with a bunch of TGI Fridays.


I hope so too, there's not nearly enough retail outside of the main strips in Downtown. We need to make as much effort to preserve the retail outside of Grove/Newark and strive to add even more.

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They have postponed the hearing on the R5 zoning change - not going to be on March 22nd.

Now not sure when it will be brought before the Planning Board - or in what form.



Looks like it'll be brought up in the April 5th meeting: http://www.cityofjerseycity.com/uploa ... a%20March%2022%202016.pdf

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Show me the ordinance that says no one can have free ice cream. You can't?


Yvonne - just answer the question so we can all move on with our ice cream


Ice cream is not on the agenda, what was on the agenda was permit parking to 11:00 PM.


I'm confused. I thought ice cream was always on the agenda.


I think it'd be hilarious if the city hired a world-renowned city planner and the first thing that person said is that parking minimums should be eliminated altogether. I can't imagine a bigger f-you to Yvonne and her parking nazi cartel. Her head might explode and we'd be rid of her stupidity for good.

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I personally do not like people using JC for their personal agenda.


Damn, I just choked and spit all over my screen.


Thankfully most of our elected officials and the vast majority of new residents are smarter than fat slobs like Yvonne. They do desire all the things she's against, like reduced dependence on cars, vibrant street life and walkable communities with fun things to do. Demographics and market forces are more powerful than she is, as are the realities of building a sustainable and economically competitive city in the 21st century.

She's already lost her war, she's just too dumb and too self-righteous to realize it.

I hope Candice sees this and realizes most of us are on her side.

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Bowling alley/brewery? Where is this going to be? Nice!!!

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another 99 year lease for one dollar a year for a bowling alley and brewery.


No. It's something young people might actually use and enjoy. It's not a medical office or a parking lot, therefore it must be stopped!

Posted on: 2016/3/16 19:22
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