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Ha, agreed, hope we get IU to ease the gauntlet a little bit. Always like to see RU alums in JC (I know there's a ton by gear and all the Block R Magnets around)!
Your idea is great, but when it comes to NJ politics, I have my doubts. I'd take a lame pedestrian bridge on Marin and/or Manila this way people from downtown can get to Home Depot, Buy Rite, A&P, Target, and Hoboken, and vice-versa. I was going to meet a friend for dinner and got hit (luckily I wasn't hurt as the car was going slow). I had the light to cross Marin, and a car turning left from Marin onto 14th didn't see me. It's dangerous over there, no question, and there are lots of pedestrians and will be even more with Cast Iron and the other complexes.
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There are always people there then, and it's light out. Odd to say the least.
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I forget what the development is called but it is on downtown JC redevelopment map...it has addresses on Hoboken Avenue.
I think they are investigating a new stop at 18th and Jersey. I don't it's been cemented. The area north of the Holland is one of the last frontiers, so to speak, downtown aside from 700 Grove and Zephyr and the Newport complexes to the east. The goal I think is to be close to the Hoboken PATH, but Newport PATH isn't that far off from that area. Eventually they are going to have to build a bridge to get across. It makes too much sense.
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I still think the general rule is east of 78, south of Hoboken, west of NY, north of the bay...aka downtown.
I can't believe people were running outside of that area in the boom years. Did they not realize the lack of 24-7 transportation would hurt value even if the crime was totally vanquished which is a pipe dream? Journal Square will get there because it has PATH access. But I wouldn't live anywhere else in JC aside from downtown with the exception of Society Hill or Port Liberte because of the gate, and only once I had kids and wouldn't be stumbling back from the city at odd hours.
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Property taxes in JC are high, they are much higher than Hoboken.
You can find places in Hoboken around 300k taxed in the 3-4k range, not so in JC (and if so in for a nasty surprise in the recent assessment). I'm in the process of purchasing in JC, and looked in Hoboken as well. In some cases the property tax difference made Hoboken practically the same price. The schools and services in both are equally questionable. However, both pale in comparison to say, Union City, where taxes in that range are often 9k. The issue IMO is that property taxes in towns with good, well regarded schools are similar. I'm a single individual, but at least for resale value, in those places you can argue a value that you cannot in JC. The value in JC comes from location, and it's very silly to argue that we should have higher taxes for access to the PATH with is a bi-state agecy, or being by the river...we pay high taxes because we overpay for corrupt public services.. In any case, in NJ you don't have NYC income tax, less, in some cases, much lower sales tax, the PATH costs less...NJ is cheaper still.
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Which NJ cities aside from Hoboken (which we have easy access to) have more nightlife? Morristown, New Brunswick, Atlantic City...that's about it.
And outside of Manhattan in the boroughs? Perhaps Astoria and Williamsburg. You think Bed-Stuy or Bushwick or Crown Heights have nightlife?
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There are dollar stores in the mall and by the A&P.
I like the dollar stores, you can sometimes get good deals or interesting items. I would just prefer Newark Avenue not have so many. It would be nicer to have more restaurants or bars right in the center of the neighborhood instead.
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I've been at the beer garden at close and it was crowded. Lucky Sevens is always crowded. Surf City had a good crowd last summer.
That is irrelevant though- because like many JC residents, I can walk to Hoboken or get there in a cheap cab, and it has one the best bar denisities in the country. You guys think there is nightlife in Sunset Park or Bushwick? The average downtowner would be hesitant to step in any of those places. Also the schools in NYC are terrible, aside from Stuyvesant and its ilk...and we have McNair. Their property taxes are less but they pay NYC income tax. People know about Brooklyn because 1 in 8 Americans traces their roots to it, including myself. And while I have nice memories of it, it's of the real authentic Brooklyn; places like Bensonhurst and Bay Ruidge, not a 22 year old from Ohio who considers himself to be from BK because he drinks $6 PBR in Williamsburg. I had friends that lived in LIC...nightlife in JC is far better, nevermind Hoboken. NJ is full of self-loathers. Glad to see there are many in JC making their presence known. If you moved here thinking you were moving to Midtown Manhattan or Millburn, or that Brooklyn is a mix of the two, please move there and check it out. Get a year lease because you'll be back here in no time.
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I definitely agree that there should be transportation options but that is hardly a deal breaker. The subways are plenty crowded as well.
Also, JC really doesn't lack nightlife. There are places as varied as the Beer Garden, Powerhouse, Pint, Lucky 7s, Barcade (better than the BK one) and much of downtown is walking distance to Hoboken. Society Hill is a $25 cab ride to Hoboken. Is that much different from Crown Heights? Except Society Hill is gated and cheaper and no extra tax on your income. It's not like the article is comparing JC to Brooklyn Heights, you want to talk stigma, mention many of those neighborhoods to people who grew up around them. My parents grew up in Sunset Park. I remember going to my grandparents and being afraid to walk near the window. Beyond good Chinese and Mexican food it's not a nice place to live. 8th Avenue makes Newark Avenue look like Rodeo Drive. Also in terms of subway vs PATH, the PATH is cheaper and cleaner...now of course their response to Sandy was horrific but in the long term PATH is likely better, not saying much though. In regards to the jitney, it only goes to the PA...this is why JSQ will be the next major gentrification point beyond a few blocks left downtown.
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The Heights, safe or not, lacks the 24/7 Manhattan access...
There are blocks downtown (esp Holland Gardens area but even places closer to Grove St) that are kind of down on their luck, but close enough to a PATH stop to gentrified. Then you still have JSQ, Harrison, and even the Ironbound in Newark. I'm buying a condo in JC and I doubt I could get the space and nice building I am, not to mention closeness to 24/7 Manhattan access, in BK or Queens. Not to mention the fact that I don't fear for my life walking to and from the PATH like I do late at night walking to and from my friend's place in BK. And no NYC income tax. The only thing "against" the Gold Coast are the outrageous property taxes. Otherwise, I think Hoboken (still chepaer thank BK) and JC are no brainers over BK or Queens.
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Borders change. The border has been I-78 for many years now though.
It's also a natural border marked by the Palisades that is quite defining for several miles north. JC, Hoboken, NYC= all cities, all have neighborhoods, that is the commonality here. I understand why people from outside DTJC try to lump everything together but there is a marked difference. And there is a marked difference between Society Hill and Port Liberte and their surrounding neighborhoods as well. Very few 500k townhomes in Greenville and the demographics are totally different just like they are on Brunswick Street versus Fremont Street. 96th Street was that line in the city for a long time...but just like back in the day that line meant a lot in the city, 78 is the biggest border in JC today.
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Zip codes do not define everything.
No one outside of USPS considers the area west of 78 downtown. Also, no one considers Port Liberte or Society Hill to be Bergen Lafeyette or Greenville. There is not only a highway separation but also a gate. The demographics are totally opposite on each side as well, probably even more so than with 78. There are mich bigger boundaries in this city than postal codes...like another poster said, even Hoboken has regions and even within DTJC, we have HP, Van Vorst, Newport, etc. 07310 is all downtown, and most of 07302 is, but definitely not the area of west of 78...maybe one day, but not today. Eventually people will spruce up those duplexes on that side, and you'll have a little corridor up to the Beacon but no way in hell is that downtown now. There is a boundary actually all the way up from 78 that goes along the cliff of the Heights...DTJC, Hoboken, and lower Weehawken on the east side...fair or not it's one of the biggest socioeconomic gaps in the state, let's not pretend it's not there. No one is saying there aren''t projects on the eastern side, or no crime. But courtesy of Mount Laurel, Rumson and Franklin Lakes have affordable housing. Every place has crime. But there's a lot less of both in DTJC than elsewhere in the city.
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I would not consider that downtown- it's west of I-78. Near enough sure, but not downtown.
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There are projects in DTJC: Holland Gardens, the ones by Shop Rite, the ones on Montgomery by the Grove PATH...and it's not a bad walk from those right on the other side of I-78 or the west side of Hoboken.
The fact of the matter is Jersey City is a city. Like any other city, there are good and bad neighborhoods. Take NYC- it's easy to get from the South Bronx to Murray Hill on the Green line, and there are projects in Murray Hill. But you're exponentially safer in Murray Hill than in the South Bronx. And you're much safer downtown than you are in most of the rest of the city. Where you are on Earth you should always exercise caution. But given the choice I'd much rather be downtown after dark than anywhere else.
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Is the pipeline a given right now? That map shows a lot of projects right on 18th, nevermind all the residential in JC and Hoboken in the "blast zone" and the accompanying HBLR and PATH tracks.
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It's $950 for a three bedroom. That's pretty affordable. Consider a three bedroom rental downtown- you'd pay more than that per person in a nice building.
People are saying affordable housing should be downtown...there should be more middle class housing downtown for starters. You can find a deal every so often but when you take property tax and maintenance into account downtown is a bargain compared to NYC but not much of the rest of NJ. Mount Laurel is nice but it has to be done on a regional basis. There are actually a lot of affordable places in JC and Hudson County. Are they all next to the PATH...no but they are there. And they are not just in Bergen Lafayette or Greenville. I know someone that pays $800 something for a 2 bedrooom in Bayonne and can walk to the Light Rail.
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Hoboken Cluck U (Washington St) has delivered to me in Hamilton Park late at night. If you are downtown I'm sure they'd deliver.
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Thanks all.
I did notice that article about the shooting on 16th. If it weren't for the Holland Gardens that area would have a lot more potential.
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Where is the gas pipeline going?
I did look in the Zephyr which is a really beautiful building but even scarier than the flood issue are the taxes and maintenance, together would be close to my mortgage payment. Where I was looking was in a rowhouse at a condo on Grove. It is close to Burke's and the homeless shelter which I do find disconcerting. Right now I'm renting in HP which I LOVE. If I could buy my place and re-do it I would. I'm there for over 2 years. The pluses to me are that I can walk to Newport and Hoboken (which is what I really like about HP). The minus to me is the nearby project, Burke's, etc, versus IMO the inherent charm of HP. A potential very big plus is what some of you guys are pointing out- in the future that area is supposed to see more development. I think prices in HP will go up as well. I'm a 27 y/o 5'11 guy never had any issues in HP or living in NYC prior to that. I'm looking to buy under 300k., unfortunately it seems like most places in JC in that range are a little further back in HP, which I think is safe just a longer walk to the PATH, Newport, and Hoboken. I would only look downtown and Hoboken.
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Hi All,
I'm considering buying a place in this area. As you can see by my handle I'm currently on the other side. I was wondering if anyone here currently lives on the other side. Do you find it safe? How did you make it through the storm? How is parking? If you live south of the tunnel would you be comfortable living on the other side? A lot of stuff still in walking distance. There is 700 Grove, Zephyr, and now the Cast Iron Lofts but also the Holland Gardens. Any thoughts? Thanks
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This is a big difference between Washington Street in Hoboken (or Manhattan comparators) and Newark Avenue and one way we need to aim for change. Newark Avenue has too much of a Newark vibe (ironically) with some of these places. There is a definite market in the area for places like Barcade or Skinner's Loft or Bon Chon over some of these other type places. It will come eventually. An example is George Street in New Brunswick, where shabby discount places have for the most part given way to Chipotle, Qdoba, Starbucks, and high-end restaurants and bar that cater to both the college and older crowds.
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I understand what you're saying. I think downtown JC is pretty yuppieish and has a good amount of non-East Coast transfers. Guidos, well it is NJ (and I grew up mostly in NJ and I'm Italian) and if you don't see that element in JC yet, you definitely will soon. JC has more of a recent immigrant history (like the Filippino and Indian communities) versus Hoboken, which is mostly old school and who moved out to the burbs long before the gentrification arrived in large numbers. Hipsters probably prefer JC because it's more "Brooklyn-y" with the brownstones and organic and such. We do Duane Reade and Starbucks, and that's a good thing. Chains like that signify the positive. I actually like our beer garden better. I think when a lot of people on this board express anger towards Hoboken, it's pretty misplaced, considering that JC's proximity is part of what turned JC around (just like Brooklyn Heights and Williamsburg). I think too many people here see JC in a bubble, but we cannot be ignorant of the surrounding cities because we rise and fall with them, especially Hoboken and NYC.
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No place else is going to gentrify in JC until all of downtown is gentrified. And there are still quite a few blocks, chunks of Newark Avenue among them, that are no good.
If we say generally that anything east of Jersey Avenue is gentrified almost fully (which might be a push, some would say Marin or Manila/Grove), you still have a lot of blocks in the Monmouth and Brunswick area that look like total garbage, the whole Pathmark shopping center is just aching to become Newport-esque, etc. You also have much of the area north of the tunnel and south of Hoboken. Considering that people walk from uptown Hoboken to downtown for the PATH, this area is also a prime gentrification zone. And only once that is done, people will turn to Journal Square, and once that is done, they will leap to Harrison and the Ironbound- btw, both safer than much of the rest of JC. People want 24-hour access to the city. People don't want a sketch ride at the light rail to switch to the PATH and a pricey cab back at night. Not to mention that the light rail goes to Weehawken and Bayonne, and is planned to go further north, to areas with better reputations that much of JC. I love how downtown is depicted as full of bankers and Hoboken light. All the immigrants from India, the gay couples, the hipsters, the formerly large Italian, Polish, and Filippino communities but still strong and sticking around...yes Grove Street is just Park Avenue. Hoboken isn't "ruined"- quite the contrary, it's the result of people actually committing to fix something that's broken, exactly what is happening downtown. OK it's expensive, that's what happens. Nice places usually cost more than not-nice places. I'd rather pay a little more for rent and not have to worry about getting jumped on the street or on the light rail. I don't want JC to become as "commercial" and it won't, the character is different. Nonetheless, if safety wise, and perception wise, we are like Hoboken, that's pretty sweet. But people outside of downtown shouldn't worry. Unless you're by JSQ or on the water, your shabiness won't be touched for a while.
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Crime can and does happen everywhere. But look at the nature and number of occurances. When the Jersey Journal posted murder stats for the year, there were two downtown: one in the Holland projects (if you consider that downtown) and the other was someone from outside of downtown who drove there to throw a body in the river. Shall we compare that to what happened everywhere else?
I lived in NYC but I wanted to move to JC because rent is less, I could have my car, and most of my friends and families live in NJ. Even if I won the lottery, I'd probably by a condo at Crystal Point or Hudson Tea in Hoboken. I like this area, I don't like the hipsters in LES or the grannies in UES. I'm a Jersey guy. It's interesting that Brooklyn is being deadpanned because people are trying this with JC. Oh you live Brooklyn Heights/Newport- how commercial! You should live in Bushwick/Greenville. It's so authentic! People can live wherever they like, but the only reason Jersey City is more often lumped with Hoboken than Newark is Newport and Downtown. It amazes me that people try to cast dispersion on Downtown. All the business and almost all of the restaurants, nightlife, or anything else that draw anyone from outside JC to come is there. It's quite rare that people downtown go west of I-78 unless they are leaving JC. The reverse is not true. As to taxes, look at all the corporations and businesses downtown compared to the rest of the city. It's like Brooklyn- no one in Cobble Hill is wringing their hands about East New York, but Brooklyn would be nothing without the neighborhoods with chain restaurants and grocery stores and safe streets.
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Kinda sad. It was nice having a pretty reliable restaurant so close by. The neighborhood has now lost Embankment and Parkside, the two closest restaurants to my apartment aside from the mall and Burger King. That's a bummer. I hate to see any business close, especially local ones.
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My friend lived there for 3 years without issue. The only thing is that Latin Lounge can sometimes attract a loud and difficult crowd at night that required the police to come by. I think the Lamppost can be loud as well but not as rowdy.
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I heard the Embankment was closing, but then I walked past Sunday and there were people in there, but it did look a like shower or party of some kind.
I've never been to Nha Trang. It has some mixed (some good and some bad) reviews. But what's most notable is that it's BYOB. The Embankment has a GREAT bar space. When I first moved to JC a little less than 2 years ago, I went there my first Friday night and then place was hopping. It seemed after that and maybe another experience or two, the place was dead. It would be nice to have a bar area, and then also a place for decent reasonable (read: under $10) takeout (ala VB3).
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First time poster here.
I live in HP pretty close to the tunnel. I have friends in Hoboken and I walk past this area frequently (in addition to when I walk to A&P and Best Buy). It has always kind of puzzled me that that area, aside from 700 Grove and the Zephyr remains undeveloped. Maybe I'm just an avid walker, but IMO that area is walkable to the Hoboken PATH. If you can walk from Monroe on west in Hoboken you can walk from Marin/Grove and 18th in JC. I also don't think it's terribly far to Newport. I guess laziness plus the brownfields are an issue. But IMO, you can walk to the nightlife in Hoboken, the stores in Newport, Hamilton Park, the PATH, and it's great if you drive to work. You have to expect surface parking when the A&P has it. So I don't see the big deal there. Overall I think it's a great idea for retail, but I'd like some more condos and apartments too.
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