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Re: Fulop Calls for Resignation of Police Chief Robert Troy

#31

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Pisces1979 wrote:
... the dealers shoot each other in the neighborhoods they live in, not the neighborhoods they work in. They are businessmen, and know that it's not a good idea to disrupt business operations.....
A bloody gangland drive by shooting in say, newport is gonna attract attention, while the dealers know the cops and business establishment only pretend to care what happens in "bad" neighborhoods. ...
Of course, the whole "war on drugs" is really a delibrate strategy orginally concieved during the cold war to distract the youth from questioning the present economic system, and to justify more facist police state measures, and economic inequality. They know that drug dealers make less than minimum wage, but with drug dealing there is always the possibility, no matter how distant, of becoming a millionaire, there is no chance of that working at mcdonald's.
... The whole strategy is to encourage gun violence and encourage the criminalization of an entire genration from trying to excercise the right to bear arms. Once "gun control" is in place, they can start chipping away at the first amendment...

"If they do not give you work, demand bread. If they deny you both, take bread. It is your sacred right!"
- Emma Goldman

Damn! I was just gonna say that!

Except the Emma Goldman thing. Those carbs would go straight to my waist.

There you go shipwreck1. There's your answer.

Posted on: 2006/1/25 22:48

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Kermit42

Re: Fulop Calls for Resignation of Police Chief Robert Troy

#32

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shipwreck1 wrote:

Now I'm confused. I live in Greenville--we don't have Yuppies OR stuff. But we do have crime. Seems like a hole in the theory...

That's a good point. When god was handing out Yuppies, you thought he said Puppies and everybody knows Puppies don't have anything except cuteness and yips.

I'll have to consider this new development.

Posted on: 2006/1/25 20:38

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Kermit42

Re: Fulop Calls for Resignation of Police Chief Robert Troy

#33

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e-eff wrote:
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Pisces1979 wrote:
Also, I believe the yuppies are indirectly responsible for the increase in crime. The wealthy manhattan people have a taste for coke, and now the dealers over here don't have to go to manhattan for their customers because their customers now live in downtown and newport.

HERE WE GO AGAIN... Get over it man

Well, now wait a minute, Pisces1979 may be on to something here.

What do you need for crime? You need stuff. And who has stuff? Yuppies.

QED

Posted on: 2006/1/25 20:22

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Kermit42

Re: Does the HPNA represent the community?

#34

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darenot wrote:
The rest of his note seems equally silly and uncomprehending that HPNA is a nonprofit corp not a governmental arm.

darenot has a very good point here, but I'm not sure it's the point he thinks he has. HPNA is not a governmental arm. It's simply a private group that declared itself the representative of community interests before the city.

So what does that mean? First, in and of itself, the HPNA has no right or reason to exist. It derives its right and reason not just from how well it represents the community interests, but from the community's assessment of how well HPNA represents its interests. That's because every member of the community has an equal interest in the community. Particular people don't get (or at least don't deserve) special status just because they form a group that puts itself out as the community representative.

Let's be clear here: the HPNA represents the community at the community's pleasure, not the other way around.

And how do we judge the success of the group? I would think we judge by looking to its relations with the community it claims to represent. And does anybody here, darenot included, think the HPNA doesn't have it exactly backwards?

In their meetings, they set barriers to participation. They don't announce important topics to be covered in the meeting. They don't welcome dissenting opinions. They make it the community's job to reach out to them to find out what's going on. There's no real effort to discover and represent the community interest as the community sees it. Instead the HPNA seeks to represent the community's interest as the leadership of the HPNA sees it.

That's unacceptable. They've forgotten why they're there.

Posted on: 2006/1/8 19:24

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Kermit42

Re: Does the HPNA represent the community?

#35

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If the problem with an association is apathy, is making it more difficult to participate really a solution?

Have the people defending the requirement that a member must serve one year as a trustee before running for officer bothered to note the number of trustees provided in the bilaws (it's not an unlimited honor)? If so, have they also noted the number of officers provided for in the bi-laws? If so, have they drawn any conclusions from the similarity of these two numbers?

As for meeting packing, the HPNA represents the interests of the community. Any person living in that community has an equal interest in the affairs of that community regardless of their participation in the organization. And some dastards have the unmitigated gall to pack the meeting of the community organization with members of the community? How dare they!!

Finally, it is almost universal practice in committees to bifurcate the voting process. Absent an emergency, an item is brought up first as 'new business'. It is brought up at the following meeting as 'old business'. Only 'old business' is voted on. That way, interested people have time to discuss and think about the issue, to make an informed vote.

There was obviously no emergency here. Though some of the changes have merit, both the timing and the procedure reek of corruption. I disagree with SuperFurry's thought that if you agree with the changes, then fine. Even if you agree with the changes, you should be offended at how they were brought about. (And worried--who says next time you'll agree with the change?)

Process matters.

Posted on: 2005/12/12 4:32

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Kermit42

Re: Does the HPNA represent the community?

#36

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medfever555:

Since you're obviously thinking of something specific, would you mind being specific? If you're going to call people hypocrites for supporting one thing while opposing another (without, by the way, identifying any particular person who supports one while opposing the other), you should spend a few words showing how those positions are inconsistent. I can't even tell which side is pissing you off.

And Bright Moments: would you mind doing a little less of that? It makes the threads harder to follow and rarely adds anything.

Posted on: 2005/12/9 15:47

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Kermit42

Re: Does the HPNA represent the community?

#37

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What do you mean "deemed them unworthy"? They run afowl of the sparkling new requirements?

Posted on: 2005/12/8 19:06

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Kermit42

Re: Does the HPNA represent the community?

#38

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brewster:

From what you write here, it sounds like you want to encourage more people to get involved, not make it more difficult for them.

Do you know why did the HPNA board recently made some important bylaw changes unannounced, late in the meeting, that severely limit who can run for officer and (less severly) limit who can vote?

Maybe I'm misinformed on that because it seems odd and at odds with the new guard inclusiveness that your post above indicates you want.

Posted on: 2005/11/15 23:49

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Kermit42

Re: Does the HPNA represent the community?

#39

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I think it's worth highlighting the provision that "Members have to be a trustee for a minimum of 12 months to be eligible for officer positions."

Since there are six officer positions and a limit of 10 trustees (minimum of three, maximum of 10), there are two problematic consequences of this provision:

1. Some or most officers will run unopposed. This means the outcome will be largely decided ahead of time (when the slate is chosen) and voting will be an empty exercise.

2. The 12 month requirement for trustees creates a real potential that the candidate pool will not be deep enough to fill the officer positions.

Posted on: 2005/11/15 22:43

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Kermit42

Re: HPNA neglects to hold Nominations for Elections

#40

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How does one get a copy of the bylaws? And the HPNA charter? There has to be an amendment process, a way to alter the bylaws in the face of board opposition.

Posted on: 2005/11/3 16:28

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