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Re: Trump: 'Thousands' in Jersey City cheered on 9/11
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Meanwhile, the video of Curtis Sliwa which Trump points to as proof that there were "thousands and thousands" celebrating on 9/11, actually debunks Trump's big lie. The Sliwa clip was edited to leave out important facts. Even Sliwa is calling out Trump for the falsehood.

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Last week, Sliwa wrote on his Facebook page that Trump incorrectly implied that video of groups of people in the Middle East cheering the attacks actually took place in the U.S. Sliwa wrote that the video actually came from ?the West Bank of Palestine, not the East Bank of the Hudson River!?


Oops! Trump Cites Video Debunking 9/11 Story As Proof He Was Right

Posted on: 2015/12/2 13:44

Edited by RickSp on 2015/12/2 14:12:16
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Re: Trump: 'Thousands' in Jersey City cheered on 9/11
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But just to humor you, if we counted this nutjob with no clear motive as someone radicalized by these mysterious Christian churches which "encourage violence," and congregants of these fantasy churches committed terrible atrocities at a rate which was grossly disproportionate to their percentage of the total population, then yes, we would need the measures I listed.


This is why even some Republican leaders are calling Trump the "F Word" -- Fascist. Trump spouts an outrageous and easily debunkable lie about "thousands and thousands" and soon his supporters start talking about tearing up the Constitution and calling for shutting down houses of worship and arresting religious leaders.

Posted on: 2015/12/1 20:42
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Re: Trump: 'Thousands' in Jersey City cheered on 9/11
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In terms of practical steps, shutting down all radical mosques and arresting the radical preachers is a great start. And yes, our ally Saudi Arabia is a large contributor to this.


So after the terror attack on Planned Parenthood, do you think that we should also shut down Christian churches which use hate speech and encourage violence? Arrest all the radical preachers? Is that what you want? Are these "practical steps" which you would support?

Posted on: 2015/12/1 20:17
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Re: Trump: 'Thousands' in Jersey City cheered on 9/11
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For the 400th time, there were reports of all kinds of crazy stuff that morning and throughout the day, most of which turned out to not be true.

"A guy I saw on TV heard there was a phone call that someone made said it". Way to prove your point.


As I was walking down Grand Street toward the water on 9/11, I was told by a construction worker that there was a squadron of Syrian jets approaching from the Atlantic. He knew it to be true because someone told him. That wasn't the only false rumor I heard on 9/11, although that may have been the craziest.

The problem is that many believe the rumors that confirm their particualr biases. Trump lies, claiming that the saw it all himself, "thousands and thousands" of people celebrating, so that he can stir up fear and hatred. And the gullible and the hateful believe every word.

Posted on: 2015/12/1 16:01
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Re: Trump: 'Thousands' in Jersey City cheered on 9/11
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There is a difference. I was aware of this during the time of 9/11, not when Trump made his statement.


I heard the rumors as well after 9/11. I heard lots of crazy rumors They proved to be groundless. And even Trump is no longer repeating his lie about "thousands and thousands" celebrating.

Posted on: 2015/11/29 18:35
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Re: Trump: 'Thousands' in Jersey City cheered on 9/11
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No, you are wrong. My neighbor plus other I know told me this not now but when it happened. There is a difference between some one now giving a story or someone who mentioned this on or a few days after 9/11. They are first persons witnesses to an event. The fact remains different people are calling in various radio shows saying the same thing. I think Trump exaggerated the numbers but not the fact. The blind sheik's followers are in JC and their mosque is still in Journal Square. So why wouldn't they celebrate?


Your first person reports are always second hand. Even Trump has backed away from the lie, and yet you still repeat it. I guess that say all that need be said.

Posted on: 2015/11/29 14:52
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Re: Trump: 'Thousands' in Jersey City cheered on 9/11
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Trump has now backed away from his lie that he saw "thousands and thousands" celebrating in Jersey City on 9/11.

His poll numbers are also dropping.

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Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump on Saturday reframed his claim that he saw Muslims in Jersey City, New Jersey, cheering the attacks on the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in Manhattan on Sept. 11, 2001 by asserting the sentiment was shared worldwide.

?Worldwide, the Muslims were absolutely going wild,? the real estate mogul said at a campaign rally in Sarasota, Florida.


Trump asks heckler to be ?nicely? escorted out as he reframes comments about Muslims cheering on 9/11

Posted on: 2015/11/29 0:35
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Re: Trump: 'Thousands' in Jersey City cheered on 9/11
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Every urban legend begins, "I know a guy" or "my neighbor told me," or "there was a cop...." And, not so strangely, the urban legend always reflects the particular set of biases of the story teller.

After a tragedy like 9/11, there are lots of crazy rumors. The fact is that local police and the FBI investigated the stories of Muslims celebrating and found nothing. The same happened when the local and national press did their own investigations. They found nada, zip, zero.

The one thing that is absolutely sure is that Trump's statement that he personally saw "thousands and thousands celebrating" is a complete lie.

Posted on: 2015/11/27 18:41
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Re: Cop's Anti Muslim Tirade on Facebook
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If this bizarre outburst is in any respect representative of his views or reflects the way that he deals with the public, this gentlemen should be looking for a different line of work. This self-inflicted wound on social media may have done the community a service.

Posted on: 2015/11/26 17:49
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Posted on: 2015/11/25 18:35
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Re: In Marvel Comics, Ms. Marvel returns as Muslim teen living in Jersey City
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Isn't this Ms. Marvel just a poor person's Plastic Man or Mr. Fantastic?


No, Plastic Man or Mr. Fantastic. Kamala Khan, Ms. Marvel, is a complicated and conflicted Jersey City high school kid who happens to develop superpowers. She was born in Jersey City in a Pakistani immigrant family. Her parents are moderate but strict. Her brother is a more observant Muslim. Kamala goes to the Marvel version of McNair High School and has an ethnically mixed group of friends pretty typical of Jersey City. In the Peter Parker/Spiderman tradition, she fights evil while dealing with day to day issues, like how much she really wants to eat a BLT sandwich.

Posted on: 2015/11/25 18:33
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Re: Trump: 'Thousands' in Jersey City cheered on 9/11
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THe problem is that some Jersey City residence saw the muslim (men) celebrating and some didn't.

I know that the Muslim-bashers on the board will never admit it, but the obvious truth is that Trump is a bald-faced liar. He says he personally saw "thousands and thousands" celebrating in Jersey City on 9/11. He later specified that he saw this TV. Where is the video tape? It doesn't exist because it didn't happen.

The press never reported celebrations by Muslims. They reported allegations and investigations that some Muslims may have celebrated, but nothing was ever substantiated.

I was at the waterfront on 9/11 with thousands of others and I know that there was no celebration by anyone.

I also recall that these were crazy times filled with rumors and wild stories. I do recall a bodega owned by an Egyptian that was mobbed when word got out that the owner had a photo of Bin Laden behind the counter. Turns out the shop owner was a Coptic Christian and the photo was of the Coptic Pope. I have no doubt that everyone who heard about Muslims dancing in the streets did hear the stories. I just question whether anyone ever saw it happen. It is always somebody's cousin or neighbor.

Even if there were small numbers celebrating that doesn't change the fact that Trump is a fear mongering liar and bigot.

Post-9/11, we found no evidence N.J. Muslims celebrated terror attacks

Posted on: 2015/11/24 17:30
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Re: Trump: 'Thousands' in Jersey City cheered on 9/11
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"This is yet another example of Trump?s revisionist history of his own recent statements. Trump didn?t say that he had read reports of Muslims in New Jersey celebrating the attacks; he said he had seen thousands of them doing so. This seems like the sort of thing people other than him, and apparently Ben Carson, would remember seeing. (Update Nov. 23, 6:02 p.m.: Carson has clarified that he was thinking of people celebrating in the Middle East, not the United States.) Perhaps Trump?s investigators can dig up this footage as soon as they finally get back from Hawaii with proof that Obama?s birth certificate is forged." (Emphasis added.)

Trump Is Tapping Into One of the Oldest 9/11 Urban Legends

Posted on: 2015/11/24 14:27
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Re: Trump: 'Thousands' in Jersey City cheered on 9/11
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Keep spewing your hate. The majority of Americans agree with me and I'm happy they do.


You are very funny. I love being told to keep "spewing hate" by a out and out bigot. Your ilk are in the majority only in your fevered dreams.

Posted on: 2015/11/24 2:10
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Re: Trump: 'Thousands' in Jersey City cheered on 9/11
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That blog does a nice job detailing the lies and hypocrisy certain people have to cling to in order to maintain the fantasy world they live in.


You want us to believe that rag of a blog? Speaking of lies, lies and hypocrisy and fantasy worlds. You really are insane.

Posted on: 2015/11/24 2:00
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Re: Trump: 'Thousands' in Jersey City cheered on 9/11
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This why I posted it, it was unfounded.


My mistake. I misread the poster. Sorry.

Posted on: 2015/11/23 19:35
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Re: Trump: 'Thousands' in Jersey City cheered on 9/11
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Did you bother to read the article that you linked to?

"In the immediate aftermath of the attacks, The Star-Ledger did a search for evidence of Arab-Americans cheering in Paterson ? the city with the second largest population of Muslims in the country ? after rampant rumors began to circulate. The newspaper concluded these were unfounded. "

Posted on: 2015/11/23 19:11
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Re: Trump: 'Thousands' in Jersey City cheered on 9/11
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I don't believe anything you say. I beleive these oldtimers who lived here more than you. YOu can say you anything you want. I don't believe anything you say. It's so obvious you are a sympathizers. I shouldn't be surprised there are lot of them living in Jersey City anyway. The authorities know where you all live.



LOL. You are really very funny.

Posted on: 2015/11/23 18:31
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Re: Trump: 'Thousands' in Jersey City cheered on 9/11
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Mayor Fulop lied about no muslim men celebrating on the rooftops when the plane hit the Towers too. So he shouldn't be running our City, then?

Friends verified he lied to reporters yesterday. Neighbors and friends said they saw these muslims celebrating. Should we impeach Fulop now too? lol


That the best you've got? More bullshit and lies. More unsubstantiated rumors and slurs. You bigots get so damn boring.

Trump?s Week of Fearmongering and Falsehoods

Posted on: 2015/11/23 18:28
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Re: Trump: 'Thousands' in Jersey City cheered on 9/11
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Some people forget, or don't know that the mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and some of his co-conspirators were based in Jersey City, or that the uncle of that mastermind went on to be the architect of 9/11, or that certain mosques in Jersey City were under post 9/11 surveillance by the NYPD elite anti-terror team.


I remember. The Blind Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman, now serving life plus 15 years.

There are radicals in every community. The FBI just arrested a group of white supremacists in Virginia who were stockpiling guns and explosives to attack black churches and synagogues in order to start a race war.

All of which does not change the fact that Trump's claim that there were "thousands and thousands" celebrating the fall of the towers on 9/11 in Jersey City is a hateful lie.

Posted on: 2015/11/23 17:29
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Re: Trump: 'Thousands' in Jersey City cheered on 9/11
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Throw around whatever nasty accusations you want. They don't matter.

More and more people realize that personal safety comes above political correctness and avoiding hurting people's feelings. And that our enemies couldn't care about being PC in the slightest.

So keep talking about racism, xenophobia, bigotry, or whatever the latest buzzword is. Doesn't matter.


Obviously facts and even basic reality don't matter to you, as you are so happy to believe Trump's lies.

And personal safety? White supremacists are as dangerous as Islamists. White supremacists have killed twice as many Americans as radical Muslims since 9/11. Funny how white supremacists overwhelming support Trump.

Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/ ... of-top-terror-threat.html

Posted on: 2015/11/23 17:00
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Re: Trump: 'Thousands' in Jersey City cheered on 9/11
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By the way, for any of the clowns using an unlinked Washington Post article to justify their hateful fantasies, the Washington Post is calling Trump's lies precisely what they are:

Trump?s outrageous claim that ?thousands? of New Jersey Muslims celebrated the 9/11 attacks

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fa ... lebrated-the-911-attacks/

Specifically regarding the September 18th Washington Post article:

Update: Some readers have tweeted to The Fact Checker a Washington Post article from Sept. 18, 2001, as evidence of Trump?s claim. The article, which appeared on page 6, described FBI probes after the attack in Northern New Jersey, saying in the 15th paragraph ?law enforcement authorities detained and questioned a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding tailgate-style parties on rooftops while they watched the devastation on the other side of the river.? Of course, ?a number of people? obviously does not equal ?thousands? ? and ?allegedly? indicates there is no video footage or other proof that celebrations actually took place. Recall that Trump claimed he saw this on television?and that it was ?well covered at the time.?

Posted on: 2015/11/23 15:04
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Re: Trump: 'Thousands' in Jersey City cheered on 9/11
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Bye, JMan. You obviously wouldn't recognize a fact if it bit you on the ass. You are too deep in your bigotry and ignorance.

Posted on: 2015/11/23 1:01
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Re: Trump: 'Thousands' in Jersey City cheered on 9/11
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Politifact is notoriously biased.


Blow it out, Jman. You obviously cannot handle the facts. Your denials are as lame as your insults.

Posted on: 2015/11/23 0:55
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Re: Trump: 'Thousands' in Jersey City cheered on 9/11
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Sadly amusing how the brain-dead bigots twist the facts to suit their particular hatreds. Yes, Trump claimed "thousands and thousands," which, of course, is a bald face lie.

Not that facts matter to the right-wing haters/


You earlier claimed that you were in JC at the time, and that "There was no cheering. Horror, stunned silence, yes."

Looks like you lied more than Trump. Because at worst, you could say that Trump exaggerated. But the cheering actually happened. You on the other hand, said something that is demonstrably false.


Fool, I was in JC. I was at the waterfront where there was indeed no celebration of any sort. The fact that you want to believe lies because they fit your particular bigotries is entirely your problem not mine. And that the fact that you call me a liar only demonstrates what a low-life cretin your are.

Posted on: 2015/11/23 0:52
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Re: Trump: 'Thousands' in Jersey City cheered on 9/11
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There was a story in the Washington Post on September 18, 2011 detailing the Muslims cheering 9/11 in Jersey City.

This guy spent $4 and bought the story from their archives. Looks like Trump's right.

And the people in this thread who relayed stories of Jersey City Muslims celebrating 9/11 on their roofs were 100% dead on.

"In Jersey City, within hours of two jetliners? plowing into the World Trade Center, law enforcement authorities detained and questioned a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding tailgate-style parties on rooftops while they watched the devastation on the other side of the river."

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives ... the-truth-is-optional.php


Now that is really stupid, Jman. Politifact checked out Trumps claim and ruled it "Pants on Fire." It also looked at the Washington Post article you cite and concluded: "The Post story includes no source for this information, and we found no evidence that any of these allegations ever stuck."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-met ... -thousands-new-jersey-ch/

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Sadly amusing how the brain-dead bigots twist the facts to suit their particular hatreds. Yes, Trump claimed "thousands and thousands," which, of course, is a bald face lie.

Not that facts matter to the right-wing haters/

Posted on: 2015/11/23 0:41
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The Filth in JSQ around the mosque there were openly cheering in the streets.

As well as other spots in JC where vermin gather.

Sorry for the noobs 'who moved here to DTJC" and never saw what really goes on in JC.


Facts are Facts.


And lies are lies. And bigotry is bigotry. You obviously have nothing to support your claims, but you think that we should believe you when you rant about "filth" and "vermin?" Sure.

Posted on: 2015/11/22 23:01
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Re: Trump: 'Thousands' in Jersey City cheered on 9/11
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Yvonne wrote:

According to you, my neighbor is a liar, MDM's co-worker is a liar and the article written in the Star-Leger are all lies. Sorry, I don't remember the date of the article but I am sure other readers in northern NJ read the same article too.


Yvonne, the Reuters article that I linked to said that the "celebration" in Patterson never happened. I note that you have not linked to the Star-Ledger article.

In any case, Trump is still a damnable liar. There were not "thousands and thousands" of people cheering in Jersey City on 9/11 as the towers fell. I was there. I know.


Posted on: 2015/11/22 22:19
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"Paterson was shaken by the September 11 attacks. On that day, a report circulated on some radio stations and Internet sites that Muslims in Paterson had demonstrated in celebration.

Paterson officials promptly issued a statement denying the report, and Muslim leaders insist it was pure fabrication."


Read more at Reutershttp://www.reuters.com/article/2007/0 ... 70726#MKtl874SHLjFETZD.99

Posted on: 2015/11/22 21:18
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