The more info that keeps coming out, it seems that there is no conspiracy. Hey, I was putting it out there. But, it appears to be a large, expensive showoff of incompetence.

I was originally under the assumption that this was a VIDEO shoot?? If this was for still photos, i might just have to excuse myself and go puke. I can fake a Mars landing in PS. and part of me will just die inside if we just dropped over 300k for a shot that can easily be created without F16s.

Whoa, did Jenny half stick up for me? That would be a JClist first. Love it.

But listen Skep. I'm not running around protesting anywhere over this. lol. I'm not passing out flyers or making films.

But, until I see this footage, I will remain extremely skeptical.

First off, it's Kool-aid.

I don't believe the photo shoot business not b/c of politics. I just can't believe anyone could be that insensitive and incompetent to arrange a stunt like that. It's beyond retarded.

And if you think it's OK for our government to fly a fake AF1 around NYC, diving near buildings for NO REAL reason, then you have your head so far up Obamas A$$ that you can't breathe fresh air anymore.

WTF? I've seen many photo shoots from the air. I've done them myself. This didn't seem like a photo shoot, and If I'm a "wacko" for thinking that, so be it.

If it wasn't a photo shoot. I'm cool with that too. If our government is testing equipment to keep us or the president safe. GREAT! That's where I want my tax $ to go.

If it was a photo shoot, even if they announced it...I'd be even more pissed off, just like Bloomberg, Just like our own President. It's a slap in the face, and in extreme bad taste.

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Way to troll. But this has nothing to do with Right or Left. I'd be saying the same thing NO MATTER WHO WAS PRESIDENT.

I was in the Grove St Path area when this whole BS went down. It sure as hell didn't feel like a photo shoot. The plane was flying somewhat out of control, which led many people to believe it was high jacked.

Now, if it was a "photo shoot" it's got to be the dumbest idea of our lifetime. With 9-11 and planes crashing in the Hudson, NY would be the last place on earth for this sort of thing. No one though people would freak out? I really hope our government is not THAT stupid.

I'm no conspiracy theorist, but I'm like 95% sure that was NOT a photo shoot. If it was, they could have warned people without creating a scene. Just say something was going to happen, but don't give a specific time....simple.

Also, If it was a photo shoot, what's the deal with the F16s? Where were the cameras? Do we have HiDef Cams mounted to F16s with professional cameramen operating them? Wouldn't it be a 1000x easier to shoot from a helicopter? If the fighters where supposed to be in the shot, Why wouldn't we use the new F22s that we have? I think our government better release that footage pretty soon, cuz...I'm not buying it.

So, if it was some kind of a test. Why NY? That's what the Desert is for. Which leads me to some concern. I really hope there wasn't some sort of Geiger counter on that plane, and they were looking for something...or anything else of that nature...

I don't think the author has ever actually set foot in NJ. Her article seems like she just hit up google earth. I can't beleive this was actually in the post, it's written like an article from a high school newspaper, but with less insight.

I question the motives of every article like this....

There are a ton of "cool" places to live in NJ, YET, people only seem to write articles about towns where New Luxury Condos are being built.

Could she paint with a broader brush?
I need to write and article and send it to the Jersey Journal. I'll talk about the hidden treasures of New York, like the Empire State Building and Central Park.

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Please see my last comment about losing your soul, it is even more relevant now...

Hatin' on you, absolutely not. I might not make millions, but I am lucky to have one of the coolest jobs in existence today, and I love every second of it.

Except, I've had to lay off two people this year. It's one of the hardest things I've ever done. I couldn't imagine what it must feel like to kick someone out of their home, let alone comprehend the psychotic issues you must have to laugh at such a thing...

JP. I agree, the car flyers have been out of control in the past few weeks. I'm getting like 3 or 4 each day... And when you look down the street, you just see tons of these flyers. Where are the tree-huggers when you need them?

In regards to the "Candy thugs"...
I had a situation develop around Xmas time last year. I was doing some last minute shopping a block away from WTC, and my friend and I were approached by 7 or 8 kids in their late teens. They asked us to buy candy for their school, and I shook my head. Half a block later my friend had to hit an atm, so we dipped inside a bank's "atrium". I turned around and saw that the kids were there waiting for us to come out.

When we walked out of the bank, I tried to simply walk past them, and one of the guys tried to put his hand out to try and stop me. It seemed like a scheme, where the one dude would stop me while the others would circle behind. I wrist-locked him and pushed his arm away quickly, and we took off down the street. The kids followed us, yelling, well, some choice racial slurs. I didn't see any cops around, so I decided to just get loud and make a scene, hoping it would attract more attention, and these guys would just get scared off... It worked, I turned on the psycho mode and started screaming at these guys. My friend didn't know what I had planned, and started to grab my arms and turn me away from them, adding to the bluf.

They ran in the opposite direction, hopefully thinking twice about pulling that crap on someone else...


So be careful of those candy selling thugs. Be suspicious if anyone tries to stop you on the street. One guy will try and stop you while the others grab your wallet or worse...

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I am somewhat disappointed with gang naming these days.
I mean c'mon, get a little more creative...

I rather them name a street after one of those cops who caught the muggers on Grove St.

Remind me what Trump has done for Jersey City...?

Props to the JCPD...

I was implying that for the price of a condo in JC, you could buy a nice house in the burbs and have enough left over to buy a Ferrari.

Just trying to illustrate that technically the price is the same, but the values are different to each person.

If someone wants to pay 800k for a condo on newark ave, and they love their place, Good for them. They made a good choice.

But no one wants to hear these richers complain when their "networth" has gone down, because they bought a house with expectations of it generating income for them, rather than just living in it...

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If I were you I wouldn't worry about your shirt, looks like you've already lost your soul...

And I think there is a strong undercurrent in that article that shows what I've been ranting about for years. Maybe I'm just nuts, but I think the main problem with the realestate market is people buying a house for the wrong reason...

I will go on record and say, I will never in my lifetime buy a home because I think it will make me money. I will buy a home because I want to live in it.

The realesate crap has gotten out of hand. There are too many people trying to play "Donald Trump" these days, and it's all going to bite them in the a$$.

I'm under 30 and I rent, and have NO PROBLEM doing so. I think the value of anything is how much someone is actually willing to pay for it. Personally for me, If i won 5 million dollars next week, the last thing i would ever do is buy a 800k condo on newark ave. in jersey city. For that price I'd buy a mansion in the burbs and drive my new Ferrari to work everyday.

And unless Obama knows how to piss gold, I'll buy your 800k condo for 1/2 the price on my 30th birthday...

Hero, I agree, NO one wants people to lose jobs. No one.

But, the problems with GM go far beyond the gas crisis.

If they get the bailout, and I was a decision-maker in GM, I would:

Bury Hummer.

Kill off Buick and pontiac.
Buick is done. And mostly all of the Pontiac cars are copies of the 2002 honda civics. Their brand is worthless.

I'd merge all the Saturn cars into Chevy.
They are basically copies of each other, but the saturn brand has no more value than chevy does. They ran that into the ground over the past 7 years.

Saab is a great car and a great brand.
But no one knows them. HUGE ad campaign. They should lower their price pts to be slightly lower than audi and bmw, and steal market away from a3 and 328i buyers. Maybe pull some VW people.

People need trucks, no matter what gas prices are, but they don't need to have 90 versions of the same truck with a different logo on it...

Killing off buick, pontiac and saturn, they should create a NEW BRAND that makes ONLY hybrid, or alternative fuel cars. Not hybrids of all-ready failing models. (They have it all backwards...Thinking that making a hybrid of a failing car will increase sales, instead they now have two failing cars...)

The technology is there, I don't care if they run on bio diesel, flubber, or freaking hamster power. Someone needs to set a standard, and the best way to do it is with a whole new BRAND.

This bailout garbage is getting out of hand. And the more we give, more companies start sticking their hands out... I don't want to see thousands of people lose their jobs, but GM should have seen this coming 10 years ago. I mean, who the hell is buying pontiacs or buicks anymore. Buick should make ONE car, call it the Senior Citizen and discontinue every other model. The Hummer, one of the worst ideas in the past 100 years. And, the only thing that is saving Cadillac is Hip Hop videos. I think the new Escalades come standard with 4 hooded out thugs in the back.

Gm needs to restructure from the ground up. They need to be innovators not imitators, and they need to FIRE every SINGLE person involved with their marketing effort. That's how they can survive.

Our government cannot afford to bail out BAD businesses.

I think those guys are a nice comedic edition to the shopping experience. I walk really fast, and I'm a guy, so those hand cream guys don't really bother me, but I always get a laugh watching them follow old ladies 20 or 30 steps borderline insulting them... I would have loved to be a fly on the wall during an initial marketing meeting... "Instead of investing some advertising dollars or soliciting retail stores for distribution, we have decided on a brilliant business model. We get a bunch of middle eastern immigrants who can barely speak english to harass women as they walk past in the mall." Brilliant, just brilliant. It could be worse, they could be pushing Mona Vie...

Biscuit.

I partially agree with you. I'm not saying that every issue needs to be put to a popular vote. I was just saying that it's not totally unfair. I think in certain situations it makes sense.

Questioning the wording or the clarity of the actual ballot is an entirely different argument. And yes, if the ballot was drastically biased or confusing, then it's unfair.

BUT. If people voted a certain way, who are you or anyone else, to question how informed people are on the topics? I read up, real quick, on the propositions, and they didn't seem that difficult...

It's loser talk to be complaining about the results if they don't go your way. The same could be applied to the presidential election...

One could then make an argument that the people who voted for Obama are "uninformed" or "didn't read up" on the issues. In sore loser fashion, someone could say that it was unfair because Obama had more advertising and special interest groups helped him drive more voters to the polls....

lol. when I first skimmed that article I thought, "what a psycho". But, I then realized that he peed on a bunch of people at a Grateful Dead concert. And it made total sense. Maybe he just hates Hippies. Can we now refer to this guy as "Cartman"?

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You don't think people's civil rights should be decided by THE PEOPLE??? I think it's pretty fair, rather than politicians or special interest groups FORCING laws on people when the majority doesn't want them...

All these people are saying, "what's the big deal". Well, if it wasn't a big deal, gay people wouldn't be fighting to make it happen. Obviously it IS a big deal to some people.

And just because you feel a certain way about a topic doesn't mean everyone else loses their right to oppose it. I know it's not the best example, but yeah, Adults are not allowed to have relations with 15 year olds. The majority of people agree with that. But I'm sure you can find some people that think it's perfectly ok. Should the law then be changed just to suit them? NO, because the majority of the people think it's wrong.

I've said it before in a previous post, I think gay couples should be able to attain the same rights as married couples, hospital visitation rights, legal/tax purposes, ect. But I, personally don't think they should be "Married" or be able to adopt children.

Gay Marriage isn't like other political topics like taxation or defense. It's something that people are deeply tied to and aren't really going to be persuaded into changing religious beliefs or social conventions that they have lived with their entire lives. And I think it's slightly offensive when certain people try to make you feel guilty for having these beliefs...

The money was shrink wrapped probably just to keep it together, so they can package it like bricks. Drug smugglers do they same. They wrap drugs in plastic then, coat it with vaseline or another substance, and then wrap t again. It supposedly masks the smell. Then they pull out panels of the car and hide it under the fenders and in the wheel wells. In a routine "search" most local cops will just check the glove box, interior and the trunk...they don't start ripping apart the car.

1.6M, that's some serious cash though...

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lol. Kind of like Obama hiding all the money from Palestine...?

Oh no. Posting that wasn't meant to attack Obama. I just think it's interesting to see what develops overseas. I find it hard to believe that terrorist cells will just hang up their guns because Obama is going to be our president. But, it's still interesting.

THis is extremely Interesting...

Islamists Post Internet Video Urging Obama to Abandon War on Terror
Friday, November 07, 2008
Associated Press

BAGHDAD ? Two Iraqi insurgent groups called on President-elect Barack Obama to withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan and abandon the war on terror, an Internet monitoring service reported Friday.

Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, self-styled head of the Al Qaeda front group the Islamic State of Iraq, said in a speech posted on an extremist Web site that it would be better "for you and us" to "withdraw your forces" and "return to your homes," according to the SITE Intelligence Group that monitors militant Web sites.

Al-Baghdadi blamed the global financial crisis on the wars "launched in Muslim countries" and said he was issuing the call on behalf of "my brothers in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, and Chechnya," SITE said.

The U.S. military says al-Baghdadi is an actor who provides a voice for Al Qaeda in Iraq propaganda.

In a separate statement, the Mujahedeen Army, a Sunni insurgent group, urged Obama to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq or face "days that will be more difficult than the nightmare experienced by his predecessor."

According to SITE, the statement said both Democrats and Republicans share attitudes hostile to Muslims and both support Israel, which means there will be little change in U.S. policy in the Middle East.

"The one who won the presidential election won the approval of the Jewish lobby, which controls, to a large extent, the administration of American foreign policy," the Mujahedeen Army statement said.

The Islamic State of Iraq purports to be an umbrella organization of religious extremist groups including Al Qaeda in Iraq.

The Mujahedeen Army emerged in late 2004 and has distanced itself from al-Qaida because of opposition to the terror movement's attacks on Shiite civilians.

Vigilante, I never thought of the economic factors involved with gay marriage. Interesting point.

I think the way California handled this was actually pretty cool, and I wish citizens got to vote on more laws like this.

I'm 50/50 on gay marriage... I think gay couples should have the same rights as hetero couples, but the term "Marriage"... It just means different things to so many people. And I think so many traditions in our country are fading away, maybe the term marriage is one of the sacred things that we can just keep as it has historically been...

As far as blacks and latinos providing more support for the ban...? Maybe religion has a lot to do with it...?

And the smuggness begins...

Not everyone who votes republican is an idiot.

Keep in mind, those IQ maps are "estimated IQs", and personally I think are extremely prejudice and not without an agenda.

But beyond that, the posting, and conduction of those "studies" are simply insulting the people democrats claim they are helping... Way to go.

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REALLY??

How many republicans in ski masks were smashing cars at the democrat convention?? OH, my bad, that was YOUR PARTY. How many republicans do we see with Kill Obama signs marching at the world trade center? Oh wait, they all say Kill Bush.
I didn't hear of any white power groups at voting stations today...

See, republicans are ashamed by the extremists in our party. The democrats just make excuses for theirs...which creates tolerance.

Yeah, that's the problem, the only people reporting that BS is fox news. That's intimidation, and if they pulled that shit where I was going to vote...there would be some issues...

Just imagine if it were two kkk members... THEN every news station would report it.

Just another example of the media bias.

But don't worry, if Obama wins, you guys will have the democrat version of George Bush, and we'll bash the sh#t out of him for 4 years...

I've had some major issues with the parking "authority", and if anyone is organizing a class action suit, PM me.

The whole reason to have parking permits is to deter out-of-towners from commuting here for the trains to NY. That should be the only reason.

I have a major problem with the "zone system". I live right on the border of two zones. If there is no parking on my street I am forced to park 2 blocks away in another zone. When I do, I get a ticket for it. Do I really need to print out a zone map and keep it in my car? I shouldn't have to. The zones should be larger, or have more flexibility.

I had a situation a few months ago where I went out to my car in the morning because I had to drive to a meeting. A meter-maid was issuing me a ticket even though I have a sticker on my car. As I ran over and questioned her, she either didn't speak english, or pretended not to. I tried in my best spanish to explain, and pointed at the sticker on my car. She said (I think this is what she said) That the ticket was already written and it was too late. Anyone who works for the city should be required to communicate in ENGLISH.

The next day I got booted, and I called the parking authority. I was told I got booted on that street because and I quote, "There are million dollar homes on that street, don't park there if you aren't supposed to." I got extremely pissed, but was also laughing at the man on the phone, and told him that I live on that street.

I explained the situation, that I HAVE a permit, and have no idea why I am getting tickets. I told the man that If the boot wasn't removed in an hour I was going to call every news station in the area and threatened to call a lawyer...

Just make sure all you Obama fans get out and vote this wednesday.