ianmac47 wrote:
Did everyone miss the part where the owner is planning on redeveloping the project and simply was side tracked by chromium cleanup (finished!) and economic depression (fixed for rich people!).

Pretty good chance this whole thing will resolve itself in another year or two anyway.

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I am surprised at the resistance to Eminent Domain on these buildings. They are so hideously ugly. Wouldn't Jersey City-ens be proud if they had their own massive redevelopment project at the heart of the city?

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I received a PATH Alert text that new train schedules will be in effect on Sunday going forward. But it does not mention what they are.

Has anyone heard about this? Are they increasing the frequency of trains?

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Pssssst. The Hoboken Shop Rite has a better fish department - and you get to miss all the craziness that is the JC location. And if you're coming home via the 33rd Street PATH, Citarella sits right atop the 9th Street station.

The whole point is that I shouldn't have to plan to go to Hoboken or to the City to buy groceries. Access to healthful, fresh food should not be too much to ask of a large "up and coming" urban environment.

Good lord. Do you have any other First World problems you'd like to discuss?

"I had to look at poor people while I bought my Belgian Tilapia!"

That's not what he said at all. He was talking about travel time.

Nice straw man argument, though.

Exactly. The dearth of good supermarkets in the area is a problem. Call it First World Problems, but it is still a problem. Yes, we are fortunate that we have NYC right next door and therefore have access to good places. And, as others have and will point out, many such locations are right next to PATH stations (WF on 24th and 7th Ave, TJs on 22nd and 6th, Fairway on 25th and 6th, WF in Tribeca, next to WTC, Citarella on 9th and 6th, etc) but for an "up and coming" area, with so many newcomers in the upper income brackets, JC is astoundingly lacking in access to superior grocery stores.

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Pssssst. The Hoboken Shop Rite has a better fish department - and you get to miss all the craziness that is the JC location. And if you're coming home via the 33rd Street PATH, Citarella sits right atop the 9th Street station.

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Heck, sometimes I find and buy some nice products I would normally buy at WF, but at a much lower price.

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Plus, what I don't get is, how selling $3 empanadas from the market take away from selling mussels in a sit down restaurant? Jeff or whatever his name is, needs a reality check.

The argument is he sells less slices of pizza that day. Apparently Two Boots does as well. Honestly, I can see that. A $3 empanada does compete with a takeout slice of pizza.

Still, the farmer's market (food and all) was there well before his restaurant. If he didn't want compete with it he shouldn't have opened a place right next it.

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There are several storefronts on Newark Ave that need to be filled. Maybe we can have an indoor farmers market where people are actually in brick and mortar.

If you did that, the business owners who are paying money for rent in brick and mortar will have a meltdown.

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OMG, I got off the Path around 1am on Saturday night, and this place was not only jam-packed, but the scene was really awful. It was a frightening little slice of Hoboken. The music, the clientele, the volume. Really terrible, I'm very disappointed with this place.

I think of this as a positive development, in that it keeps the folks who actually want that sort of scene away from the quieter places I like. There are plenty of other food and drink options nearby, and they're not all going to turn into the same loud bro bar overnight.

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good article. now if fulop wants to put jc on the foodie map, he aim to get a wegman's or fairway or tj or even a wf. i like shop-rite but is so ______.

WF is easily the worst of your options. It is such a ripoff. Obviously many people disagree with me judging by their growth, but I feel like if you are cost conscious enough to live in JC instead of Manhattan, you are not the type of person to frequent WF.

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Yes, I am concerned because my investment could be an even better one. Somewhere a WF employee is scouting locations and visited our "acclaimed" restaurant row and told his superiors back in the WF office that DTJC is full of dollar/discount stores and stores which advertise how cheap their products are - Sleep CHEAP, PayLESS, etc.

I am torn over whether I prefer an ISIS recruitment center versus a dollar store since both are detrimental to their neighborhoods...

Agreed. We need to clean up Grove Street and Newark Ave. Not that I have a problem with the "cheap" stores, I feel like it's time for a change to accommodate the new and diverse demographics.

Moreover, I am baffled that these stores still exist, given the rents in the neighborhood have skyrocketed. There's a national discount store at 162 Newark (or 161 Newark Ave) that looks like a head shop but sells the most random stuff. Stores like that need to go. It brings down the entire neighborhood. Especially when the crack addicts hang out in front of it in abandoned shopping carts. In any case, I would rather not have an Old Navy or a J Crew but much rather see more local businesses like Tia's or Morelees or Word succeed.

This "We need to clean this up" attitude drives me nuts. Who's "we"?? Those store owners are running a business. Presumably, they pay their rent or own their building. Who are "we" to tell them they can't do it? Here's an idea: If "we" are so offended by a dollar store, "we" should pony up the money to buy them out. Then "we" can open an artisanal pizza place, TV-filled bar or high-end dog groomer. God knows "we" need more of those.

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The one type of customer I did not see was a poor person. This is not surprising. Eating healthy is expensive, and you?ll never find a Whole Foods in a poor neighborhood. Statistics show a heavy correlation between obesity and poverty, and a trip to Whole Foods bore this out. I fear that we are dividing into two Americas, not just between the haves and have-nots, but between the healthy and the unhealthy, with a lot of the division being the same. I feared that I was, by shopping here, inadvertently contributing to it.

NYWaterway was conducting a survey last week to see if people would continue to pay little more at $4 a ride after the PA deal is done and WTC line is fixed.

Let's say WF listens to the silly Change.org petition and opens a store in JC. And it fails. What then, will the people who are complaining offer to defray some of WF's expenses?

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There isn't a footprint big enough for a Wegman's. Have you ever been to one? Giant parking lots that support immense stores. They draw from all the towns that surround them.

The soccer moms drive up in their giant SUV's and load up. The demographic isn't here to support it.

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And the average HHI in Manhattan is $66k, and average HHI in Brooklyn is $46k.

I don't care if what we get is a Whole Foods. It could be a Trader Joe's, Wegmans, Fairway, whatever ... but a proper market, in a good walkable location, is absolutely necessary in modern day Downtown Jersey City.

Yes, I am concerned because my investment could be an even better one. Somewhere a WF employee is scouting locations and visited our "acclaimed" restaurant row and told his superiors back in the WF office that DTJC is full of dollar/discount stores and stores which advertise how cheap their products are - Sleep CHEAP, PayLESS, etc.

I am torn over whether I prefer an ISIS recruitment center versus a dollar store since both are detrimental to their neighborhoods...

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All of that being said, and despite what many on this board say, there are many things that Hoboken does right. Washington St. is a pleasing, safe, and active main avenue. Newark Ave., which can still be desolate and off-putting at times, would be well-served to model itself on its northern counterpart.

Completely agree. Clearly, there are douchey elements to Washington St. (particularly on a Friday or Saturday night), but it is a large, active drag of diverse businesses, most of which are pretty nice.

I'd also add that Hoboken's waterfront, with its ample trees, greenspace, performance space and parks, puts Jersey City's bland Exchange Place/ Newport disaster to shame.