Crazy_Chester wrote:
I just doubt that you have no jealousy. Not going to waste the Listers time elaborating, though.

Crazy_Chester wrote:
I have my doubts.

Crazy_Chester wrote:
Lets just call this what it is. Jealousy. The working-class stiff sees a bunch of suits move into the neighborhood and the blood pressure goes up. It was fine when everyone wore a shirt with their name sewn on it and carried a lunchbox to work and knocked back a few Rheingolds at the end of the day. But the invasion of the suits and their preference for European lagers serves as visible evidence that blue-collar Charlie hasn't quite made it up the ladder as far as he would have liked. Charlie scrapes his knuckles and suffers backaches for his craft. Biff maybe will get carpal tunnel. Charlie builds things. Biff shuffles money around. It isn't fair!

Of course, the above scenario is really more of a caricature or sitcom. I think the typical new JC resident is similar to me. Not really young, but an urban professional (as opposed to amateur, I guess.) Raised in a union/middle class household, barely graduated college (financially and academically), found a job in finance that pays pretty well and scraped up enough to get a decent condo. Maybe they "settled" on JC or maybe they just really wanted to stay in NJ near friends and family. But we pretty much just want to live and let live. You can see us in the bars sometimes. We usually sit between the handful of obnoxious yuppies/fratboys/jocks/bigswingingjohnsons drinking Amstels and another handful of seething-with-jealousy, born-and-bred, JC-"educated", wannabe-anarchists knocking back something brewed within 20 miles.

I would suggest that the yuppies/fratboys/jocks/bigswingingjohnsons stop making it so easy to hate them, but I don't think that they can really help themselves. Anyway, they really are precious few of these creatures in Jersey City. Perhaps the ragers could do themselves a favor and stop even thinking about these folks. Just ignore them. And stop hating on all that is new. Its a big city. There are still plenty of other places you can go for whatever. Your health will benefit. I mean, some of you are already hating on a still-unopened deli.

A friggin' deli.

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I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I think I would find educated yuppies more interesting and stimulating to talk to and interact with than the folks from the nearby projects. Again, this could just be me.

And AGAIN...yuppies don't mug people. Truth be told, I'd rather walk past a yuppie at 3 am than someone from the projects. Can anyone argue with that?

Do you guys have ANY idea how much safer the Downtown areas would be without those nearby projects?

You know its funny you say this. Some of the biggest douche bags Ive ever met have been these "well educated yuppies". Now when I say douch bags I mean have the same mentality as a highschool jock and absolutly nothing of value to say unless in some way it benefits them or makes them look better. Id rather talk to a squirell, thats not to say all of them are like this because I know how most of you get upset when a generalization is made.

I think you are confusing Yuppies with Frat Boys. Two different species. One is obsessed with upward mobility and status and the other likes beer and poontang.

Both don't mug people for I-Pods but an be annoying at best.

No no no my friend, I assure you they were yuppies, or since that word was pronounced dead we'll use young urban proffesionals (sounds like a word they'd use to sell one of the ugly high rises downtown).

DUDE...I have to say, you come off as nothing but bitter in ALL of your posts.

Here is a question...do you want Jersey City to become a better city?

EVERY city has parts that are nice and gentrified, and parts that are NOT. This is not unique to Jersey City. In fact, for years, Jersey City lagged behind, by not having ANY sections that were nice.

So if you crave a Jersey City that is not gentrified...there are PLENTY, and I mean plenty, of neighborhoods that will suit you. I suggest you move there, and stop complaining.

If Downtown disgusts you...then don't come Downtown!!!

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I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I think I would find educated yuppies more interesting and stimulating to talk to and interact with than the folks from the nearby projects. Again, this could just be me.

And AGAIN...yuppies don't mug people. Truth be told, I'd rather walk past a yuppie at 3 am than someone from the projects. Can anyone argue with that?

Do you guys have ANY idea how much safer the Downtown areas would be without those nearby projects?

You know its funny you say this. Some of the biggest douche bags Ive ever met have been these "well educated yuppies". Now when I say douch bags I mean have the same mentality as a highschool jock and absolutly nothing of value to say unless in some way it benefits them or makes them look better. Id rather talk to a squirell, thats not to say all of them are like this because I know how most of you get upset when a generalization is made.

I think you are confusing Yuppies with Frat Boys. Two different species. One is obsessed with upward mobility and status and the other likes beer and poontang.

Both don't mug people for I-Pods but an be annoying at best.

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I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I think I would find educated yuppies more interesting and stimulating to talk to and interact with than the folks from the nearby projects. Again, this could just be me.

And AGAIN...yuppies don't mug people. Truth be told, I'd rather walk past a yuppie at 3 am than someone from the projects. Can anyone argue with that?

Do you guys have ANY idea how much safer the Downtown areas would be without those nearby projects?

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"Very well put Victoria, I've noticed this too. God forbid anyone talks about a yuppie, frat boy or hipster with a negative overtone, but its ok to talk bad about people in lesser income areas. Most of the time they're automatically labled "criminals"."

This is hilarious.

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NewHeights wrote: It seems it's not okay to say "frat boy" but it is okay to use words like "primitive" to refer to people that live on MLK and Montgomery. What's up with that?

jennymayla wrote:
Besides, how f*cking boring would it be to live surrounded by people just like yourself? Jeez.

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If you have such a problem with JC then why dont you live in Hoboken? Downtown has already had the NYC and Hoboken overflow and that obviously hasnt helped fix the crime problem, so what exactly are these frat yuppie charecters going to do for the community besides make it douchey?

Thanks for the tip, wanna buy my place?

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Why in Gods name would you want any part of JC to be more like Hoboken? Just look at the picture, you cant even take a picture of Hoboken without having some soccer moms and biff running by.

Because I like soccer moms better then the riff raff in oversized white T's.

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What a brilliant comment. Such empathy.

Yikes, sorry! I didn't mean to offend any Britney fans!

JadedJC wrote:
I've always wondered if the Holland Motor Lodge was one of those places that offered hourly rates for rooms...

Vigilante wrote:
I did enjoy getting tailgated as I drove through Liberty State Park today by an SUV with a police shield in the window. The cops are some of the worst drivers around. They, like teenagers, seem to equate driving aggressively with machismo.

Jeebus wrote:
This thread is very funny and makes me glad to be too old to complain about new neighbors based on their attire or means of making a living. It's not like they are a bunch of gangsters robbing and stealing.

One thing that bears mentioning is that the desire to live somewhere that is both "gritty" and has improved "quality of life" is less likely to happen than my desire to commute across the river in 3 minutes with a jet pack. Grow up.

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[snip]I never wanted it to stay a dump but rather improve the quality of life and keep its gritty charm. [snip]

chiefdahill wrote:
If you are white you are either a yuppie or hipster. There is no middle ground... at least that is what I learned from reading jclist.

I read anti yuppie or anti hipster as "go home whitey"

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Oh and Tommyc, I really dont think most of Harlem is pleased about gentrification and taking it in stride. Its no secret its constantly in the Post and Daily news

Honestly, if people don't want to be priced out of their neighborhood, they have the freedom to get a higher paying job, or go back to school to GET a higher paying job, so that they can afford to stay in their neighborhood that they love. If they're that passionate about the neighborhood, they should be motivated to do whatever it takes to stay. This is a capitalist society...the strong are the ones who survive.

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Well neighborhoods change, sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse. Honestly, with all the assets that Downtown Jersey City has, I'm surprised it took this long to become gentrified. Why do you take it so personally? As NYC prices became out of control high...people looked for alternatives (Brooklyn, Hoboken, JC).

I don't know why you take it to heart so much...

I'm sure the natives that got priced out of the Lower East Side, and Harlem are a little disgruntled, but it's nobody's fault...it's what the market dictates as a place becomes more desirable. It's just a fact of life in an urban setting. 50 years from now, Downtown JC may be a dump again. Who knows?

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I don't understand people like crushthedemoniac. I'd rather deal with "generic hipsters and yuppies" over "generic crackheads and gangsters" like Downtown JC used to be. If I have to deal with something generic, I'll opt for the generic types that don't mug me, attack me, or break into my car.

Crushthedemoniac, I'm not sure if you are a resident of Downtown JC or not, but neighborhoods change. If you're looking for "old school JC" maybe you should relocate to Greenville, I'm sure that neighborhood still has the vibe that you're looking for.

Tommyc, like Ive stated before , I dont support thug behavior and dont wish Downtown was "ghetto". What I would like is more affordable housing(not low income), and less crap that would make this place look like Williamsburg or something of that nature.

Well that could work in Fantasy Land, but in Real Life Land there is a positive correlation between affordable housing and thug behavior.

Like I said, you should look into Greenville. Bergen-Lafayette maybe? The things you are looking for can be found elsewhere in Jersey City. Nobody is holding a gun to your head to stay Downtown. Neighborhoods change, that's life, dude...

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I don't understand people like crushthedemoniac. I'd rather deal with "generic hipsters and yuppies" over "generic crackheads and gangsters" like Downtown JC used to be. If I have to deal with something generic, I'll opt for the generic types that don't mug me, attack me, or break into my car.

Crushthedemoniac, I'm not sure if you are a resident of Downtown JC or not, but neighborhoods change. If you're looking for "old school JC" maybe you should relocate to Greenville, I'm sure that neighborhood still has the vibe that you're looking for.

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Im curious as to what "type" of person you are? You're not a "hipster", "yuppie", you don't want change...SO do you have any suggestions that would be GOOD for JC going forward?

The user name refers to a song by the Cro-Mags.

much like the how the MAGS sang "these are days of the cheaters and the cheated!" CRUSH THE DEMONIAC was a phrase that is straight up lifted from their krsha conscience. i wouldn't be so sure that they are a HARDCORE individual considering the heights/journal squares ethnic make up. but who knows, if they like samhain they must eat granola and LOVE best wishes too!!!! jesus