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Historic Hysteria
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To be factually accurate - and speaking individually on my own behalf as one who was present at last night's meeting - the Hamilton Park Neighborhood Association passed out nothing related to Mr. Wrieden.

1. Mr. Warren Curtin distributed copies of various correspondence from himself and other residents of the Hamilton Park community.

2. The HPNA is not in a position to validate the accuracy of the claims and allegations contained in Mr. Curtin's correspondence, nor is it our reponsibility to do so -- and, as with all issues, there is always more than one side to the story. That being said, much of the content, assuming it is reasonably accurate, does raise issues which appear worthy of further review and discussion.

3. It is, however, inappropriate and unacceptable to overshadow otherwise valid comments and feedback on how to have our Historic Preservation Ordinance implemented more effectively, more consistently, more fairly and more economically with an unncessary and uncalled for exercise in gay bashing and witch hunting. (That's what this thread sounds like to me.)

4. Independent of Mr. Curtin's correspondence, other residents have raised similar concerns, which need to be heard at the top level of HEDC (Mr. Cotter) and with the members of the Historic Preservation Commission (HPC).

5. Further, some comments were made about the various HPC commissioners and its operations, but when asked publicly during the meeting, none of the individuals present making these comments indicated that they have ever attended or appeared before the HPC itself.

6. From last night's comments, there appears to be much room for needed feedback and improvement in how the Historic Preservation Ordinance is applied and implemented. The City does need to hear this. Unfortunately, the remedies suggested by some of those frustrated with the process do not appear aimed at improvement or ensuring that the Historic Preservation Ordinance functions more effectively or fairly -- or even correcting perceived excesses. Instead, the real apparent focus is aimed at simply eliminating the position of the Historic Preservation Officer (not even replacing him), eliminating the HPC and gutting the oversight process. I don't believe this to be a constructive approach.

7. If there are valid issues raised in Mr. Curtin's correspondence as to how the Historic Preservation Officer might be implementing the law, these should be addressed and discussed publicly, fully and transparently in a venue where a complete picture can be assessed. As for the specific individual cases raised in Mr. Curtin's correspondence, it would be instructional to hear the City's response to each of the individual circumstances cited there.

8. A rational discussion resulting in recommendations for an improved all-around process, and an Historic Preservation Ordinance which can be implemented more efficiently, more consistently, more fairly and more economically would be a constructive approach to problem solving -- anonymous witchhunts and gay bashing is not.


Posted on: 2004/10/7 22:58
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Anonymous
Re: Daniel Wrieden aka 'Queer Eye For The Historic House Guy'
Anonymous-Anonymous
I agree, comments on someone's sexuality is not appropriate in this forum.

Working with Mr. Wrieden on our house was extremely difficult. He actually is INCONSISTENT in what he approves. My husband and I were perfectly willing to put in historically accurate Marvin 2 over 2 windows. That was not the problem. Our problem was that we wanted double-paned windows, since they were more energy efficient.

Please understand that when you're paying for $900 per window (and are being required to do the entire facade at once), you're going to want it to be more energy efficient than the old windows you just took out. At the same time, Mr. Wrieden approved at least three other houses in my neighborhood with double paned windows, but was giving us a hard time on ours. This was our frustration. When finally called on it, he backed down and approved the double paned windows.

I agree that we need historic preservation in downtown JC. It's extremely important. However, when we bought our house in the mid-90s, there were no riders on the contract that stated we were going to abide by certain rules made up by a historic preservation commission. However, my husband and I have gone by the rules, and I have been desperate to have good advice on how to appropriately restore my house. And, from my understanding from other 20+ year residents of my neighborhood, that's what the historic commission was originally supposed to do--advise homeowners.

I'd like the historic commission to stay. I'd also like someone who will inspire people to properly restore their houses, and NOT someone who frustrates people so they end up installing white vinyl windows into their homes at 2:00 am. I'd like someone who is not condescending to their constituents, and who will properly educate homeowners on how to approach historic preservation and their houses. And, speaking of education, I would like someone who is properly educated for this advisory position.

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Anonymous
Re: Daniel Wrieden aka 'Queer Eye For The Historic House Guy'
Anonymous-Anonymous
Quote:

Anonymous wrote:
Unfortunately, the enforcement of the Historic regulations have been applied abritrarily, inconsistenty and capriciously. Once that happens the rules are pretty much unenforceable, rending the entire ordinance null and void.
The people at last evening's meeting are willing to adopt the rules, but that have to be reasonable and consistent. Guciardi and Bob Cottor should be the ones to go, not Wreiden.


I posted the above, but I wanted to add, we could all do without the homophobic comments. For one it destroys your credibility. Furthermore it evidences your hate towards others. Finally, it won't be tolerated.

A significant number of the well spoken folks at last evening's meeting were gay.

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Anonymous
Re: Daniel Wrieden aka 'Queer Eye For The Historic House Guy'
Anonymous-Anonymous
Unfortunately, the enforcement of the Historic regulations have been applied abritrarily, inconsistenty and capriciously. Once that happens the rules are pretty much unenforceable, rending the entire ordinance null and void.
The people at last evening's meeting are willing to adopt the rules, but that have to be reasonable and consistent. Guciardi and Bob Cottor should be the ones to go, not Wreiden.

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Anonymous
Re: Daniel Wrieden aka 'Queer Eye For The Historic House Guy'
Anonymous-Anonymous
He's not going by the book. That's the point.

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Anonymous
Re: Daniel Wrieden aka 'Queer Eye For The Historic House Guy'
Anonymous-Anonymous
good point.

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Anonymous
Re: Daniel Wrieden aka 'Queer Eye For The Historic House Guy'
Anonymous-Anonymous
Thank you, previous poster. If Dan is going by the book and not making exceptions and giving exemptions then he is to be commended not scolded. Are people complaining because he is conscientious? Are these the same people who are complaining because other city workers are not conscientious?

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Anonymous
Re: Daniel Wrieden aka 'Queer Eye For The Historic House Guy'
Anonymous-Anonymous
#1 the homophobic comments are completely unnecessary. And #2, Dan is to be commended for enforcing the well-established rules of the historic districts. Don't buy in a historic district if you're looking to destroy the historic exterior of your building. End of story.

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Anonymous
Re: Daniel Wrieden aka 'Queer Eye For The Historic House Guy'
Anonymous-Anonymous
Cant he be booted out?

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Anonymous
Re: Daniel Wrieden aka 'Queer Eye For The Historic House Guy'
Anonymous-Anonymous
Uhhhhh....I've heard the guy is a royal pain in the ass, but are the gay comments 100% necessary?

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Anonymous
Re: Daniel Wrieden aka 'Queer Eye For The Historic House Guy'
Anonymous-Anonymous
Resized ImageYou'd think this guy went to school for a long time but he just graduated in 2001. http://www.njcu.edu/dept/acp/coop_student_awards.html#dwrieden

If he doesn't ease up with all the rules I say we put up a collection to have him 'snatched up'. #OOPS# him and his Marvin Windows!

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Anonymous
Daniel Wrieden aka 'Queer Eye For The Historic House Guy'
Anonymous-Anonymous
So, whats the deal with Daniel Wrieden aka 'Queer Eye For The Historic House Guy'? It seems this guy has a lot of enemies due to how he deals with the people who own historic homes in the area.

Last night he was the topic of discussion at the Hamiliton Park Neighhood Association Meeting. Seems like the 'flamer' has a lot of homeowners heated. They passed out a 20 page document of complaints on him.


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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
I've been waiting to bring back my slaves! I can't wait for the downtown area to secede from the rest of Jersey City!

Way to go folks, looks like some of you have reached the moral and political maturity of a mid-nineteeth century southerner!

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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
Regarding Tris' reference to Alan Karcher's piece... while it addresses the impact of fragmentation, it doesn't (nor was it intended to) address the underlying issues that caused the fragmentation.

I can see secession as the response to non-responsive governmental structures and frustration.

In the Jersey City context, I can point to stress fractures in governance and administration.

Jersey City's size also has an impact. With a distorted tax base (overly reliant on property taxes and gimicky tax abatements), we still manage to have an underfunded budget, which is barely able to meet reasonable demands for city services. Even the structure and organization of City Council is open to question. We have a city council, which is a part-time institution, and paid accordingly, and it too seems inadequate to meet the needs of a city with full-time, real city problems:

Short of secession, some questions for other future threads:

1. Should the very structure of Jersey City government be questioned. Has Jersey City, literally, outgrown the ability of its institutions to cope?

2. Does it serve the various diverse communities of Jersey City to have a 6 Ward system and 3 at large council people, or should city council be reorganized along some other lines provided by NY law?

3. Should there be something like a community board system instituted?

4. Are property taxes a fair way to finance the city's oeprations? Should we ditch property taxes in favor of some other approach to taxation -- e.g. a form of city income tax?

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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
Quote:

Anonymous wrote:
Well if "it's cost us dearly" then Why is Hoboken which really is part of JC doing so well? Maybe downtown can join in with Hoboken we can call this area Hudson City.


Hoboken is one case out of 566.

It is not always to Hoboken's advantage to be so small. Ask anybody who works for that municipal government whether they'd like a little more territory. At this point, the only place for Hoboken to build is upward.

I love Hoboken, too. But Hoboken has a serious cramming problem.

Tris

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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
Why are some of you convinced Hoboken is part of Jersey City?

Is it the same blinders that make some of the people in Newport believe they're really in New York?

....very puzzling

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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
Well if "it's cost us dearly" then Why is Hoboken which really is part of JC doing so well? Maybe downtown can join in with Hoboken we can call this area Hudson City.

Hoboken & Hudson City has a nice ring to it all the waterfront from the turnpike east. We can share their services and pool our money! Then we'd get deat cops and safety!


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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
Thanks for the suggestion - sounds like a very interesting read. I'll give that one a go...

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Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Newbie
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Quote:
Anonymous wrote: If, let's say the city broke up into Downtown, Bergen, Greenville, JSq/Marian, The Heights, etc. would any of these new cities have fewer people than places like Guttenberg or East Newark? Smaller may work better.
I strongly encourage you to read New Jersey's Multiple Municipal Madness by Alan Karcher, the former Assembly Speaker. It's a terrific read, and it explains exactly why the fragmentation of New Jersey into many tiny municipalities has cost us terribly. It's one of the best books ever written about New Jersey, and one I think about almost every day.

Posted on: 2004/10/5 1:26
the adventure starts here!
www.trismccall.net
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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
Vote the bums out! We must vote!

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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
Cash cow to exploit? If anyone's exploiting Downtown, it's the politicians - who are most certainly keeping the take for themselves. I live in Marion, and haven't seen improvements in years. The city services are a joke, and half the time I have a complaint to call in I'm made to feel like a total ass - left to take care of services that the city should be doing by myself.

Face it - Downtown is practically immaculate compared to so much else of JC - it's like a different world there. If you think your taxes are used to make any kind of change or improvement to the majority of JC, let me take you on a good walking tour.

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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
It sure isn't that easy - it's nearly impossible to revise city political borders. Still, I don't see how secession translates to "getting rid" of the rest of JC. They would be their own city and our late mayor's race baiting would achieve its deserved result - first priority for the non-waterfront neighborhoods. Of course such a burg would not have the downtown cash cow to exploit. I suspect that this is a big part of why you find it offensive.

Quote:

Anonymous wrote:
Oh, Lord - now I've heard it all - I've seen and heard plenty of elitist Ward E attitudes regarding how far superior the downtown area is to the "balance" of Jersey City, but a desire to secede - now, that says it all. It just smacks of "well, we really don't like the other wrong side of the tracks - let's just get rid of it altogether, by forming our own city!" It's not that easy...

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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
...oversensitive people on bulletin boards who have no sense of sarcastic humor don't seem to be in short supply.

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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
Quote:

Anonymous wrote:
No 'commies' or minorities allowed!!!!!

then you'll have to go. thankfully, outspokenly racist jerks like you are a dying breed around here, definitely a "minority".

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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
Yeah! Lets do it! From Hoboken to the North down to the southern edge of Liberty State Park (WE get the park!!!) and from the river back to the turnpike with a huge electric fence running under the turnpike!!!!!

Sort of like our own 'checkpoint charlie'!

No 'commies' or minorities allowed!!!!!

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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
Sorry, I should have added - Why is this under real estate, I'd like to see it moved under General Discussion where more people might see it and present their ideas.

Punch

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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
I have thought about this for years. When the waterfront was still weeds and abandoned railroad track. I never thought of it as elitist - just an issue of management. I think that smaller, community based governments might work better. Maybe we need more accountability and community input at the ward level. Maybe we need stronger volunteer programs. Maybe we just need elected officials who are competent and who care. Secession is an extreme response.

If, let's say the city broke up into Downtown, Bergen, Greenville, JSq/Marian, The Heights, etc. would any of these new cities have fewer people than places like Guttenberg or East Newark? Smaller may work better.

Punch

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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
Hoboken was never part of Jersey City.

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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
Oh, Lord - now I've heard it all - I've seen and heard plenty of elitist Ward E attitudes regarding how far superior the downtown area is to the "balance" of Jersey City, but a desire to secede - now, that says it all. It just smacks of "well, we really don't like the other wrong side of the tracks - let's just get rid of it altogether, by forming our own city!" It's not that easy...

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Anonymous
Re: Should Downtown Jersey City Secede?
Anonymous-Anonymous
Yeah lets do it, Hoboken was part of Jersey City!

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