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Re: Amid the Glitter, JC's Growing Pains
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MCA wrote:
I miss the good old days when Tris McCall used to write reams about who he was going to vote for, and I usually ended up agreeing with him.


God, I miss Tris too.

O Tris, why hath thou forsaken us?

Posted on: 2006/3/8 16:35
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Re: Amid the Glitter, JC's Growing Pains
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Good deal.

And super_furry thank you for the heads up about the Journal. The local papers out by me are awful but the more I see the more it seems the Journal is a pretty good source for local news?

I digress... sorry.

Posted on: 2006/3/8 16:35
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Re: Amid the Glitter, JC's Growing Pains
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bdlaw wrote:
I was *mostly* kidding. I'm dead serious, though, about it being difficult to get hold of clearcut information about candidates that isn't attack literature sent by the opponent.


I'm with you there.

Posted on: 2006/3/8 16:33
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Re: Amid the Glitter, JC's Growing Pains
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I miss the good old days when Tris McCall used to write reams about who he was going to vote for, and I usually ended up agreeing with him.

If anyone knows the candidates running in April, maybe you could convince them to post here with their qualifications and campaign issues. [/wishful thinking]

Posted on: 2006/3/8 16:30
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Re: Amid the Glitter, JC's Growing Pains
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I was *mostly* kidding. I'm dead serious, though, about it being difficult to get hold of clearcut information about candidates that isn't attack literature sent by the opponent.

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bdlaw wrote:
Or, do you just say to hell with it and vote the incumbants out no matter who they are?


I hope you're kidding. I hate when people take their cynicism to this level and are dead serious about it.

Politics can give one reason to be cynical - certainly - but this kind of knee-jerk ill-informed voter apathy-cum-cruelty really makes me ill.


Posted on: 2006/3/8 16:22
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Re: Amid the Glitter, JC's Growing Pains
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Subscribe to the Jersey Journal. You can also access most of it online at www.nj.com.

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bdlaw wrote:
But, where do you get information about the candidates? If JC is anything like the town I'm in now (Lyndhurst), you pretty much only get attack ads in the mail.

Posted on: 2006/3/8 16:06
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Re: The light rail is fantastic!
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Yeah, I've read a couple of reports saying that a crime was committed on the light rail a couple of years ago. I also read that there are street muggings on a regular basis. That doesn't justify alarmist rhetoric trying to blame every criminal activity on the one sane bit of transportation planning that New Jersey has given us in decades.

Posted on: 2006/3/8 16:04
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Re: Amid the Glitter, JC's Growing Pains
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bdlaw wrote:
Or, do you just say to hell with it and vote the incumbants out no matter who they are?


I hope you're kidding. I hate when people take their cynicism to this level and are dead serious about it.

Politics can give one reason to be cynical - certainly - but this kind of knee-jerk ill-informed voter apathy-cum-cruelty really makes me ill.

Posted on: 2006/3/8 15:59
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Re: Flood Insurance.......Do You Need It ?
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Kermit42 wrote:

I have a fourth floor apartment, so when the flood comes, ya'll's invited.

I got the tunes, you bring the beers! I have roof access, so, once the rain stops...bring your bathing suits! Diving for tequila shots!! (Watch out for the rats.)


SWEET - 'cause I'm on a first floor and only half a block away from you.

Posted on: 2006/3/8 15:57
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Re: Flood Insurance.......Do You Need It ?
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brewster wrote:

We all know how the great flood of NY harbor will play out eventually. Rising sea levels will insure that we'll eventually get a storm surge over the bulkheads all around the harbor and river. The Govt will claim they never saw it coming and no one warned them. And only after hundreds of billions in damage will they take the obvious steps to secure the harbor like Venice and Amsterdam have done, with closable sea gates at the Verrazano Narrows and Throgs Neck.

That, or Ogden Ave will be waterfront property in 2100.

IT"S COMING! Between global warming, the inevitable tsunami and the hurricane, you nethercity dwellers don't have a chance. I would advise you to start buying rowboats, inner tubes and inflatable rafts NOW before it's too late. Oh, and get a copy of Waterworld and study it closely.

Posted on: 2006/3/8 15:48
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Re: Amid the Glitter, JC's Growing Pains
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I for one, moving to JC in the next few weeks, would like very much to be a part of heavier voter turnout.

But, where do you get information about the candidates? If JC is anything like the town I'm in now (Lyndhurst), you pretty much only get attack ads in the mail.

Or, do you just say to hell with it and vote the incumbants out no matter who they are?

Posted on: 2006/3/8 15:28
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Re: The light rail is fantastic!
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"Oh please. I've regularly taken the light rail, at all hours. I've never had a problem. I've gotten on and off at the Newport Mall stop with plenty of those "kids" coming out of the mall."
....................................................................................

You clearly are not familiar with the two people who
have been beaten nearly to death whilst either
working on or riding the light rail at nite.
Countless others have been robbed and mugged
by bands of youths who are to- and fro-ing
from the mall to Greenville and points south.
It is also becoming increasingly clear that a
goodly portion of the street vandalism and
crime that we are seeing in Harsimus Cove and
the two Parks neighborhoods results from
kids who ride into the downtown on the light
rail and jump off in our districts so they can
have some fun on our streets at nite.
So: Oh pleeze, yourself!! Get a grip.
Just because you don't read about it in the paper
doesn't mean it doesn't happen
Let us drop some of the Pollyanna/Babbit trip that so
many of our boosters and realtors and chamber of
commerce types are perpetrating on innocents
moving here from out of town.
People should know what they are getting
into.


Posted on: 2006/3/8 15:14
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Re: Amid the Glitter, JC's Growing Pains
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Nuada wrote:
P.S. Indeed voting sometimes requires holding one's nose as one pulls the lever. No question about that.






The next election coming up is a school board election in april.Less than 2000 people vote in these elections.This would be a great place to test your idea.If even 1000 people came out from downtown,city hall would be shocked.

Posted on: 2006/3/8 15:05
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Re: Flood Insurance.......Do You Need It ?
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I was just saying that people should think about getting flood insurance, because a hurricane is a very real possibility, plus it would be a smart idea to get into the program now before the feds change it and make it way more expensive. I don't know who you guys are, so why would I want you all to move to the marion- and why are you implying that I asked people too?
I have a solution, in the event of a hurricane you get creative with Jersey Barriers and have the department of transportation use them as a a temporary levee in the event of a storm surge. So what if I told people that they was screwed more than vodka and orange juice, and then asked them to help out the FNB folks? I am 27, I do not have your years of wisdom, and experience, oh wise elder.
P.S. - I also haven't put up an alter ego, like people claim, because I would be a lot more creative if I did.

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Pisces1979 wrote:
You guys are so screwed when a hurricane hits Jersey City.


So what's your point, Pisces1979? How old are you? 27? When I look back, I think I was pretty naive and immature at 27. 1979 was when I started this job.

Do you have a solution, Pisces1979? Do you want us to move to the Marion district and be your neighbor? You know what will happen then? The Marion district will get gentrified, real estate prices will go up, and rent will go up. Is that what you want?

You tell us we are screwed, and then you say, "Oh, by the way, can you help me with the food bomb project up here in Journal Square?" Was that a good idea, Pisces1979?

Posted on: 2006/3/8 11:23
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Re: Jersey City Guardian Angels announce Public Meeting on Safety and Security: ‘Dare to Care’
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Also, let's not forget that this chapter of the Jersey City Guardian Angels is a NEW chapter. Their numbers are small thus far. It takes man-power to patrol various neighborhoods. They are actively recruiting, talking to people from all neighborhoods and of all races and ages. So give them a chance to build up their numbers and spread their mission to the various communities. Downtown is the starting point. You have to start somewhere.

Posted on: 2006/3/8 11:01
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Re: Flood Insurance.......Do You Need It ?
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Pisces1979 wrote:
You guys are so screwed when a hurricane hits Jersey City. The New York Bay and hudson river is a right angle, which will amplify a storm surge, not to mention when the surge causes the hudson to back up temporarily. In addition to that, a hurricane spins in a counterclockwise direction, which means that Jersey City will take the brunt of the surge. Maybe it is 5 feet, maybe 35 feet, either way, anything less than 50 feet above sea level is in danger.


I have a fourth floor apartment, so when the flood comes, ya'll's invited.

I got the tunes, you bring the beers! I have roof access, so, once the rain stops...bring your bathing suits! Diving for tequila shots!! (Watch out for the rats.)

Posted on: 2006/3/8 10:54
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Re: Flood Insurance.......Do You Need It ?
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Annod wrote:
You tell us we are screwed, and then you say, "Oh, by the way, can you help me with the food bomb project up here in Journal Square?" Was that a good idea, Pisces1979?


A ha. Another one that falls for the trap. Dude, you can't make sense out of what this guy says. I'm his age and his ramblings are completely incoherent and regularly contradict each other.. By 26-27 you shouldn't be this naive.

Notice that his alter-ego disappeared when we called him on it.

Posted on: 2006/3/8 10:49
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Re: Flood Insurance.......Do You Need It ?
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Pisces1979 wrote:
You guys are so screwed when a hurricane hits Jersey City.


So what's your point, Pisces1979? How old are you? 27? When I look back, I think I was pretty naive and immature at 27. 1979 was when I started this job.

Do you have a solution, Pisces1979? Do you want us to move to the Marion district and be your neighbor? You know what will happen then? The Marion district will get gentrified, real estate prices will go up, and rent will go up. Is that what you want?

You tell us we are screwed, and then you say, "Oh, by the way, can you help me with the food bomb project up here in Journal Square?" Was that a good idea, Pisces1979?

Posted on: 2006/3/8 10:41
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Re: Amid the Glitter, JC's Growing Pains
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P.S. Indeed voting sometimes requires holding one's nose as one pulls the lever. No question about that.

The antidote: working harder to identify potential candidates who want to challenge the machine. (I cannot believe nobody in JSQ doesn't want to throw up on a ballot that offers a choice between Lipski and Jimmy King.)

All that said...I'm no saint. I did not vote in the November '05 election because I couldn't stomch voting for Corzine (who still seems to me to be a clueless disappointment who will kiss the machine's ass to further his own self-aggrandizement).


Posted on: 2006/3/8 9:16
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Re: Amid the Glitter, JC's Growing Pains
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Truthfully, I think they laugh at our complants because they know we're too lazy to vote. Downtowners need to get off their "I'm too busy" butts and get registered, and make the effort to vote.>>

Absolutely right.

Voting is key.

The entrenched incumbents think we believe we live on "14th Avenue, the western-most stretch of Manhattan" and that we might follow the NYC mayor race, but pay no heed to the JC/Hudson County races.

Look at this: "Fulop beat E. Junior Maldonado - the only incumbent to lose in Tuesday's municipal elections - by a 55 to 45 percent margin. With 87 percent of the votes counted, Fulop was ahead 2,165 to 1,802."

That's from the JJ, 5/12/2005.

A lousy 363 votes turned out Junior Maldonado.

At a guess...if 5000 thoughtful new voters showed up at the next local elections, the machine would be turned out of every seat it now holds. Small margins matter in Jersey City races. Every new voter counts.

Posted on: 2006/3/8 9:00
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Re: Jersey City Guardian Angels announce Public Meeting on Safety and Security: ‘Dare to Care’
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I don't call breaking the law "nightlife". I call it crime, and I don't do it. Accosting fellow pedestrians in the street, and intimidating others is not, "having a little fun"

You can call it classist if you like. But, in this argument the issue of "Class" has nothing to do with your tax bracket, and everything to do with whether or not you have "CLASS"

What complete nonsense shall you bombard us with next?

If one wishes to not be criminalized, do not F*** with my quality of life.


Posted on: 2006/3/8 1:23
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Re: Amid the Glitter, JC's Growing Pains
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I've posted about these issues before, so i'll spare everyone. Jersey DOES have potential, but it's up to us...the people who live here and take pride in our community to make it so.

I saw things going wrong in JC, and joined the JCNW. Jersey city can be a safer, better place. Go to meetings, and get active !

Posted on: 2006/3/7 23:22
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Re: Flood Insurance.......Do You Need It ?
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Pisces1979 wrote:
You guys are so screwed when a hurricane hits Jersey City. The New York Bay and hudson river is a right angle, which will amplify a storm surge, not to mention when the surge causes the hudson to back up temporarily. In addition to that, a hurricane spins in a counterclockwise direction, which means that Jersey City will take the brunt of the surge. Maybe it is 5 feet, maybe 35 feet, either way, anything less than 50 feet above sea level is in danger.



I say bring on the storm, this town needs and enema anyway.
Maybe the current administration will be swept out with the flood waters.

Posted on: 2006/3/7 22:16
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Re: Flood Insurance.......Do You Need It ?
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Metropolis wrote:
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Pisces1979 wrote:
You guys are so screwed when a hurricane hits Jersey City. The New York Bay and hudson river is a right angle, which will amplify a storm surge, not to mention when the surge causes the hudson to back up temporarily. In addition to that, a hurricane spins in a counterclockwise direction, which means that Jersey City will take the brunt of the surge. Maybe it is 5 feet, maybe 35 feet, either way, anything less than 50 feet above sea level is in danger.


Yeah yeah yeah... we all saw "The Day After Tomorrow" We live on 5th and are required to have flood insurance.... we used to live on West Hamilton and were not.... but if you ever walk down Coles st. you notice there's not much of a change in altitude. Politics. That's the answer to all questions.
Mark.


Actually, while biking it seems HP itself is downhill from Newark! Flood insurance is a great rippoff for us. I'll bet a house hasn't EVER been declared a total loss due to natural flood here. Even in New Orleans the houses wouldn't have been totalled if they weren't below sea level and the water stayed for so long. Lots of river flooded houses in NJ survive just fine, though the furnishings are junk.

We all know how the great flood of NY harbor will play out eventually. Rising sea levels will insure that we'll eventually get a storm surge over the bulkheads all around the harbor and river. The Govt will claim they never saw it coming and no one warned them. And only after hundreds of billions in damage will they take the obvious steps to secure the harbor like Venice and Amsterdam have done, with closable sea gates at the Verrazano Narrows and Throgs Neck.

That, or Ogden Ave will be waterfront property in 2100.

Posted on: 2006/3/7 22:09
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Re: Jersey City Guardian Angels announce Public Meeting on Safety and Security: ‘Dare to Care’
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Are the petit-bourgeois the same as the regular bourgeois only shorter?


I'm always confused: is it the petit-bourgeois that make you fat or the petit-fours?

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Posted on: 2006/3/7 20:29
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Re: Jersey City Guardian Angels announce Public Meeting on Safety and Security: ‘Dare to Care’
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Pisces1979 wrote:
I really hope the Guardian Angels will go somewhere else besides downtown. We all know that other neighborhoods, like west side avenue, for example, need the guardian angels more than downtown.

I also think there is a sick classist and racist undertone to all of this talk about "cracking down on quality of life crimes". When working people want to have some fun you call it "a quality of life crime", when the petit-bourgeois and the bourgeois do it it's called called "nightlife".

The true aim of the "quality of life" laws is the criminalization and disenfranchisment of working people, especially African-Americans. The "broken windows" theory has been called into doubt, check this out:

Illusion of Order: The False Promise of Broken Windows Policing
by Bernard Harcourt (Harvard University Press, 2001. 288 pp.)


Taking your last reference first, I have read Bernard Harcourt and agree with most of the thesis of the book, "Illusion of Order: The False Promise of Broken Windows".

For instance:

"In Illusion of Order, Harcourt urged that much broader questions about punishment and criminal justice be asked rather than questioning whether strategies like broken windows policing do or do not work. “We need to ask how these methods for policing disorder shape our citizens, our civic culture and our social relations. Rather than viewing disorder as the cause of crime, perhaps we need to reexamine connections between crime and neighborhood poverty and stability. What is the relationship between order maintenance and our treatment of the unemployed? How will curfews and antiloitering ordinances affect our children’s intellectual and cultural development?”

We are a pro-active community. Last Friday, the JCGA and members of this community, including myself, JCListers, the President of VVPA and Curtis Sliwa, all were at the Boys and Girls Club of Hudson County.

We came to show our support for Alberta Walker's Youth Activities Community program and that we care about these children, many at high risk.

Part of the JCGA being here is to work for providing neighborhood solutions that, from Harcourt's own words above, "...reexamine connections between crime and neighborhood poverty and stability."

We are looking for ways to use all our resources to help not only downtown but reaching out to all of JC.

Rather than "...hope the Guardian Angels will go somewhere else besides downtown. We all know that other neighborhoods, like west side avenue, for example, need the guardian angels more than downtown.", Pisces1979, why don't you help make that happen?

Come to the public mtg. next week to address these questions in a public forum where you will find us all receptive to those excellent suggestions.

The JCGA asked us to help organize this downtown public mtg. not only to address issues downtown but to provide the opportunity for others to bring these very questions to the forefront.

Also, are you coming to this Thursday's, March 9th Jersey City ACORN.org mtg. at St. Paul's Church on affordable housing?

The JCGA and myself will be there handing out flyers with their contact info, reaching out to other neighborhoods to organize mtgs. in their respective neighborhoods and to join us on March 16th at Middle School #4.

What will you be doing that day? Do you want to join us to reachout to others, or do you want to further hide behind this board with rhetorical rants of "...criminalization and disenfranchisment of working people, especially African-Americans."

PM or email me if you're down with "walking the walk", instead of "talkin' the talk", and join us.

Gil Scott-Heron said it well "back-in-the-day":

"The Revolution will not be televised...but it will, put you in the driver's seat!"

Are you driving or watching tv?



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Re: Flood Insurance.......Do You Need It ?
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Pisces1979 wrote:
You guys are so screwed when a hurricane hits Jersey City. The New York Bay and hudson river is a right angle, which will amplify a storm surge, not to mention when the surge causes the hudson to back up temporarily. In addition to that, a hurricane spins in a counterclockwise direction, which means that Jersey City will take the brunt of the surge. Maybe it is 5 feet, maybe 35 feet, either way, anything less than 50 feet above sea level is in danger.


Yeah yeah yeah... we all saw "The Day After Tomorrow" We live on 5th and are required to have flood insurance.... we used to live on West Hamilton and were not.... but if you ever walk down Coles st. you notice there's not much of a change in altitude. Politics. That's the answer to all questions.

Mark.

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Re: Jersey City Guardian Angels announce Public Meeting on Safety and Security: ‘Dare to Care’
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Are the petit-bourgeois the same as the regular bourgeois only shorter?

Posted on: 2006/3/7 19:13
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Re: Flood Insurance.......Do You Need It ?
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You guys are so screwed when a hurricane hits Jersey City. The New York Bay and hudson river is a right angle, which will amplify a storm surge, not to mention when the surge causes the hudson to back up temporarily. In addition to that, a hurricane spins in a counterclockwise direction, which means that Jersey City will take the brunt of the surge. Maybe it is 5 feet, maybe 35 feet, either way, anything less than 50 feet above sea level is in danger.

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Re: Jersey City Guardian Angels announce Public Meeting on Safety and Security: ‘Dare to Care’
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I really hope the Guardian Angels will go somewhere else besides downtown. We all know that other neighborhoods, like west side avenue, for example, need the guardian angels more than downtown.
I also think there is a sick classist and racist undertone to all of this talk about "cracking down on quality of life crimes". When working people want to have some fun you call it "a quality of life crime", when the petit-bourgeois and the bourgeois do it it's called called "nightlife".
The true aim of the "quality of life" laws is the criminalization and disenfranchisment of working people, especially African-Americans. The "broken windows" theory has been called into doubt, check this out:

Illusion of Order: The False Promise of Broken Windows Policing
by Bernard Harcourt (Harvard University Press, 2001. 288 pp.)


Posted on: 2006/3/7 19:07
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