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Re: Police Chief Robert Troy says -- "Stevie...has exhibited serious incompetence"
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"On a side note about the quality of changes the police are putting into effect - Saturday night around midnight, I watched a JCPD car drive right past about half dozen males (some looked underage) with open containers cross the street as the cop drove by. They then proceeded to throw and smash their bottles on the street, sidewalk and someone's property. Underage with open containers in the street gets ignored - good job JCPD!!!"

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Oh, yes. How I sympathize; but it has always been the policy/non-policy of the cops here to ignore crime or the
strong potential for trouble and crime. I cannot tell you
how many dozens and scores of times I have seen
cop cars casually cruise right past scenes and events
happening right out in the open on the street or sidewalk that should have made them stop and investigate. But they
never did such kind of policing, at least not since the race riots of the seventies, and probably never will again.
The police dept,, being that it got into so much trouble in the
seventies, is terrified of being accused of racist behavior, and so we have an over-compensation in the other direction.
I have repeatedly asked at police meetings in the years gone by why it is that cops routinely drive by with their blinders on full, --and the answer has always been, regardless who was the precint captain or the police director (and since I have lived here we have had about fifty of each of those) that: We do not go out looking for trouble; We will answer a call for help, but we will not
do crime prevention. We cannot afford the lawsuits that ensue from doing the latter.
And so this policy/non-policy has been in effect for many years now and by now it is pretty well ingrained in the local ethos. So: If you think that the perps and the kids who hang out doing their brand of evil don't know that the cops are going around essentially hobbled and blindfolded, you have another think coming, as my Uncle Clayton (a perfect Yankee pragmatist, if there ever was one) used to say.

Posted on: 2006/2/7 12:40
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Re: Musical Police Chiefs
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I'm sorry - if this ain't grandstanding; I don't know what is.
It's more than obvious the councilman has greater ambitions. I see this as nothing more than using a bad situation to gain personal acclaim.


my mind is blown.

if a politician screws up, it's business as usual.

if s/he does something good/productive, it's grandstanding/building a base for future office.

can any politician EVER do anything right?

i don't understand how you can see this as "nothing more than using a bad sitaution to gain personal acclaim". isn't this exactly what our public servants are supposed to do?...hold people accountable and make efforts for change?

if steve has "greater ambitions", more power to him and i'll be first in line to volunteer for his campaign. i've seen him in action, and we need people like him in higher levels of office.


well said. my mind is blown as well.

even if he WAS grandstanding, at whose expense was it? since his call for the chief to step down we've seen some notable changes that Steve mentioned, as well as a lot of media coverage on local gov't and crime in JC. this is surely lighting a fire under some people's arses and i see that as a good thing for everyone.

its clear that some people are just predispositioned to oppose most anything and everything he does, even if its for the good of everyone.

Posted on: 2006/2/7 12:33
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Re: Musical Police Chiefs
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Quote:

bryhove wrote:
I'm sorry - if this ain't grandstanding; I don't know what is.
It's more than obvious the councilman has greater ambitions. I see this as nothing more than using a bad situation to gain personal acclaim.


my mind is blown.

if a politician screws up, it's business as usual.

if s/he does something good/productive, it's grandstanding/building a base for future office.

can any politician EVER do anything right?

i don't understand how you can see this as "nothing more than using a bad sitaution to gain personal acclaim". isn't this exactly what our public servants are supposed to do?...hold people accountable and make efforts for change?

if steve has "greater ambitions", more power to him and i'll be first in line to volunteer for his campaign. i've seen him in action, and we need people like him in higher levels of office.

Posted on: 2006/2/7 12:16
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Re: Musical Police Chiefs
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When the chief and his buddy use the guys wife to start
security company, that is what seriously underminds the public's confidence in the JCPD. When the crime rates increase and response to the average citizens problems decrease, that is what seriously underminds public confidence in the JCPD.

When a councilman elected by the people calls attention to the problems and demands accountability it is not called grandstanding it is called doing his job. Get it straight!

Posted on: 2006/2/7 11:41
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Re: Musical Police Chiefs
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I'm sorry - if this ain't grandstanding; I don't know what is.
It's more than obvious the councilman has greater ambitions. I see this as nothing more than using a bad situation to gain personal acclaim.

Posted on: 2006/2/7 11:24
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Re: Liberty Animal Shelter
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Caps - you said you were having a volunteer meeting at the Merchant on Wed. Feb. 7th. However, Feb. 7th is a Tuesday (today). So please clarify exactly when it will be. I've been interested in volunteering for awhile and would like to come to this.

Thanks

Posted on: 2006/2/7 10:47
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Re: Another reason for Troy to resign! Corruption in the police Dept
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I would like to see the next Police Chief commit to serving until the end of the administration.


I'd like the next police chief to be appointed as a result of a nationwide search. If the best candidate is not a close friend of the Mayor, so be it.

This is the second reading on the agenda for the Wednesday city council meeting 2.8.06:

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Ordinance supplementing Chapter 3 (Administrative Code) Article XI (Department of Police) of the City of Jersey City establishing the procedure and fees for providing Off-Duty Police Officers for special detail assignments.
Ord. 06-009


Posted on: 2006/2/6 16:47
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Re: Another reason for Troy to resign! Corruption in the police Dept
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Does Troy benefit from this new ordinance if it is passed after he retires and presumably works with this wife officially?

Posted on: 2006/2/6 15:45
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Re: Musical Police Chiefs
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Fulop has numbers- an 11% increase in crime.

Troy's response? Name calling.

wonderful that this man is in charge of our security.

I have said it before, and I will say it again. What JC needs are beat cops and a well developed community policing system. Unfortunately this takes work, that apparently is better spent helping your wife with their private security firm. How much easier to throw money at the problem, particularly when it is not your money.

Posted on: 2006/2/6 15:42
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Re: Another reason for Troy to resign! Corruption in the police Dept
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The issue has to be a little bit larger than Chief Troy...

I posted this on the other Troy thread, regardless..

This discussion highlights the fact that Police Chief Troy had not planned on serving the duration of Healy's administration instead retiring after a year and a half or so.

Under the shortened Cunningham administration, there were two police chiefs and another under Acting Mayor Smith's, so we are looking forward to #5 in a little more than 5 years.

Not too much stability for the Police Department with "musical Police Chiefs".

Why? Besides politics, do these short term appointments help inflate the retirement pensions, for those just shy of retirement?

I would like to see the next Police Chief commit to serving until the end of the administration.



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I think the real issue is, if Troy would spend less time facilitating special arrangements for his cronies and more time protecting and serving, crime in Jersey City would be dropping, as it should be. This is despicable behavior, and these kinds of shenanigans should no longer be tolerated.

Posted on: 2006/2/6 15:30
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Re: Another reason for Troy to resign! Corruption in the police Dept
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I think the real issue is, if Troy would spend less time facilitating special arrangements for his cronies and more time protecting and serving, crime in Jersey City would be dropping, as it should be. This is despicable behavior, and these kinds of shenanigans should no longer be tolerated.

Posted on: 2006/2/6 14:36
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Musical Police Chiefs
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This discussion highlights the fact that Police Chief Troy had not planned on serving the duration of Healy's administration instead retiring after a year and a half or so.

Under the shortened Cunningham administration, there were two police chiefs and another under Acting Mayor Smith's, so we are looking forward to #5 in a little more than 5 years.

Not too much stability for the Police Department with "musical Police Chiefs".

Why? Besides politics, do these short term appointments help inflate the retirement pensions, for those just shy of retirement?

I would like to see the next Police Chief commit to serving until the end of the administration.

Lastly, throughout all of this "discussion", there has been no mention of the Police Director, currently Sam Jefferson, somehow he has avoided Councilman Fulop and this boards wrath.






Posted on: 2006/2/6 14:33
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Re: Another reason for Troy to resign! Corruption in the police Dept
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DanL-
I certainly don't tolerate corruption. Furthermore, using a position of public service for personal gain is reprehensible. The vote actually went 7-0-2 with only Councilwoman Richardson and I abstaining for the first reading. I felt uncomfortable with it even for a first reading as the ordinance was written by Chief Troy and Comey without input from Police Union leadership which made me suspicious. I am happy that my voting record shows this.
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There is another article in the jersey Journal today that mentions this. I have copied and pasted the language directly from the article in today's paper below

The introduction passed 7-0-2 with Downtown Councilman Steve Fulop and Ward F Councilwoman Viola Richardson abstaining.

Fulop, who has called for Troy's resignation due to what he describes as a surge in serious crime, said he wanted to speak with union police leaders before voting for the ordinance.

Richardson said she needed more information about the new system.

Posted on: 2006/2/6 14:17
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Re: Another reason for Troy to resign! Corruption in the police Dept
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What did Councilman Fulop say when the ordinance was introduced at the first reading?

Fulop made no reference to this issue in his call for Troy's resignation. Maybe he was too busy grandstanding to pay attention to ordinances coming before him to vote on.

Councilman Fulop could also make a public call for the Ethics Board to be constituted.






Posted on: 2006/2/6 14:03
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Re: Where is Bergen Hill?
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Thanks CatsnDogs and Fasteddie, I'll check out the area with someone one of these days. Looking forward to checking out the houses and the old city hall. The map is really useful, Fasteddie, as it gives me a very specific location of Bergen Hill.

Posted on: 2006/2/6 13:50
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Re: Police Chief Robert Troy says -- "Stevie...has exhibited serious incompetence"
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In his letter to the public, Troy complained that Fulop's comments "not only undermine the public's confidence in the Police Department, but also negatively affect the morale of the men and women who comprise the Jersey City Police Department."


I have heard from numerous officers that they are understaffed. They use it as an excuse to the long response times and rise in crime. It's funny how instead of coming up with effective solutions, Troy just slanders others. As the chief, he should be the most knowledgeable on what needs to be done to turn things around. Troy can't even stop the drug market on Wayne St but can get to public meetings in a p.r. stunt.

On a side note about the quality of changes the police are putting into effect - Saturday night around midnight, I watched a JCPD car drive right past about half dozen males (some looked underage) with open containers cross the street as the cop drove by. They then proceeded to throw and smash their bottles on the street, sidewalk and someone's property. Underage with open containers in the street gets ignored - good job JCPD!!!

Posted on: 2006/2/6 13:09
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Another reason for Troy to resign! Corruption in the police Dept
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Lt. Tom Corney (major supporter of the chief) and Police Chief Troy have crafted an ordinance that will govern how officers receive overtime pay. Tom Corney's wife owns a security firm that employs off duty officers, so his wife would directly benefit from passage of the ordinance.

What they are trying to do is not very subtle, and could only happen in Jersey City!

This will be voted on at the city council meeting tonight. Lets ask our councilman to do the right thing and reject the ordinance.

SECURE THAT HER FIRM
IS LEGAL Top-ranking cop's wife runs company
Monday, February 06, 2006
By JARRETT RENSHAW
JOURNAL STAFF WRITER
State law prohibits police officers from running private security firms - but not their spouses.

In Jersey City, a top-ranking policeofficer's wife operates a security firm that has employed off-duty city cops and has received contracts from a politically connected developer, as well as with the contractor that operates the light rail.

Lt. Tom Comey, chief of staff to Police Chief Robert Troy, helped write an ordinance that governs how the police department handles private security jobs. The ordinance is slated to go for a final vote before City Council on Wednesday.

His wife, Phyllis Comey, runs Jersey City-based Direct Response Inc., a 60-person private security firm created in March 1998.

The Private Detective Act of 1939 prohibits cops from running private security firms, but the law doesn't bar spouses or other officers' relatives from doing so. The law was enacted largely to prevent conflicts of interest within police departments, according to the state Attorney General's Office.

The Hudson County Prosecutor's Office, the New Jersey State Police and the State Attorney General's Office declined to comment on the ethics of the situation.

Councilwoman Viola Richardson, a retired police officer, said it may be legal, but presents a number of questions. "It sure looks improper, even if it is legal," Richardson said.

Phyllis Comey, a former paralegal and beautician, said she founded the company because she wanted a new challenge after her children left the nest.

She said Tom Comey gave her his "blessing," but has nothing to do with the company.

"I work nine, 10 hour days," he said. "I don't have the time, nor the energy, to be involved in the business."

Phyllis Comey said her husband keeps a safe distance from the company's operations, but she said as a married couple, they "talk about everything," and that he drops by the office "all the time."

"On his day off he will file some checks or clean out the closet. We're married and we don't like to be apart that often," she said.

Tom Comey said, "what I do on my day off is my business."
For professional advice, she says she has hired consultants.

She said her firm has employed off-duty Jersey City police officers, but only in limited roles - such as directing traffic at construction sites.

She refused to provide the names of the firms she provides security for, but The Jersey Journal has learned Direct Response provides security at a New Jersey Transit work yard for 21st Century Rail, which has an operation management contract with NJ Transit.

It also was hired to provide security at the Beacon, the luxury condominium development at the site of the former Jersey City Medical Center.

State law requires security firms to have a "qualifier" - someone with either law enforcement experience or otherwise qualified to manage the business.

Phyllis Comey first partnered in 1998 with Gabriel Calabrese, a retired Jersey City police officer, who was later replaced as the qualifier by former Jersey City Police Officer John Salmon.

Salmon is now an identification officer with the department's Bureau of Criminal Investigations - a civilian title allows him to work for a security firm.


Posted on: 2006/2/6 12:56
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Re: Police Chief Robert Troy says -- "Stevie...has exhibited serious incompetence"
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Stevie's "House of Fallujah" Fulop



I'm kind of liking this one!

Posted on: 2006/2/5 22:28
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Re: A VICTORY FOR NATURE and OPEN SPACE in Jersey City
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For those who might have missed last week's news story about the Reservoir Alliance's successful efforts to shut down the City's draining activities at the Reservoir, here's the article:

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Posted on: 2006/2/5 21:53
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Re: Police Chief Robert Troy says -- "Stevie...has exhibited serious incompetence"
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I smell... BOOMERANG !

Now, we have to come up with an appropriate "rock star" name:

Stevie "Ray" Fulop
Stevie "Nicks and his Hot Licks" Fulop
Little Stevie Fulop
Stevie "The 8th Wonder of JC" Fulop
Stevie's "House of Fallujah" Fulop

Really, I think the Pole-Lease Chief messed up here. Robert "Helen of" Troy better watch his tongue, or Stevie "Legend of Rock" Fulop will eat his lunch.

-M


P.S. Those degenerates from the Beefheart thread will likely come up with better names, so... brace yourself.





Posted on: 2006/2/5 18:30
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Re: Where is Bergen Hill?
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Bergen Hill is just a few blocks south of the old Medical Center that is being rehabbed into pricey condos. There are a lot of undervalued brick rowhouses in area that date back to 1880s. There is a strong coalition of neighborhood associations called Bergen Communities United that are working up a "master plan" for the entire area. In addition, the Whitlock Cordage factory now known as WHitlock Mills loft and apartment rentals will be opening in March and is bound to have a positive affect for the area too.

Posted on: 2006/2/5 17:48
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Re: Where is Bergen Hill?
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There are a few grand Victorians in the area on Summit. At the foot of Summit at Grand is an odd shaped building called Library Hall which was once JC City Hall. I would be on my guard walking around the area and don't go alone. Stay off Cornelison.
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Posted on: 2006/2/5 10:37
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Where is Bergen Hill?
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To anyone and everyone-

I'd like to know what streets are considered Bergen Hill and where is it exactly? Is it safe to walk around there? Is there anything about the area that is worth exploring, such as, any landmarks or houses with great architecture? I heard it is one of the oldest areas in Jersey City. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks.

Posted on: 2006/2/4 22:47
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Re: Police Chief Robert Troy says -- "Stevie...has exhibited serious incompetence"
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So Troy calls an elected City Councilman "Stevie"... what, is our police chief 14 years old? Could you imagine Councilman Fulop referring to Try as "Robbie"??

That should tell you all you need to know as far as who's fighting the good fight here...

Posted on: 2006/2/4 21:35
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Re: Police Chief Robert Troy says -- "Stevie...has exhibited serious incompetence"
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Troy's reaction reminds me of the North Korean Government's (or any other dicatorship's) reaction when the U.S. criticizes it for human rights abuses--disproportionate, attack the messenger, and generally act as if the criticism is outrageous. A tired rhetorical device the use of which is perhaps emblematic of our disfunctional democracy in this city. Jersey City government is an "old boys network" unaccustomed to criticism and accountability. Fulop is changing this little by little. Its courageous.

Posted on: 2006/2/4 19:58
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Ricardo Kaulessar - Jersey City Reporter 02/03/2006
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Stevie...has exhibited serious incompetence'

Police chief and councilman trade barbs over crime rise

FACING THE PEOPLE – Troy (left) speaks during a community meeting last week at the Mary McLeod Bethune Life Center. Standing to his right is resident and community activist Virginia Miller.
After Councilman Steven Fulop called for Police Chief Robert Troy to resign two weeks ago in the wake of Jersey City's rising murder rate, Troy responded to the public with a three-page letter last week, and blasted Fulop in an interview.

"As a public servant, Stevie Fulop has exhibited serious incompetence," Troy said last week. "I say that because he offers nothing as far as solutions go. He has never once in his short tenure as a junior councilman called this office."

In his letter to the public, Troy complained that Fulop's comments "not only undermine the public's confidence in the Police Department, but also negatively affect the morale of the men and women who comprise the Jersey City Police Department."

Fulop had complained about Jersey City's 39 homicides last year, a 20-year record, and a rise in neighborhood violence.

Troy said that Fulop should have called his office if he was concerned, like Ward C Councilman Steve Lipski did recently.

Troy added, "Stevie grandstands, he embarrasses himself in front of the rest of the council."

Troy pointed out a number of accomplishments under his leadership, such the city's gun buy-back program that brought in 900 guns from the public, the success of the Street Crimes Unit, and various crime sweep operations cracking down on sexual predators, deadbeat landlords and training seniors to protect themselves.

Troy defends record

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Troy is expected to retire sometime this year, but said he will not step down right now. He has been on the force for 25 years as of March 1. He has done 14 years of patrol and has been the commander of the department's Bureau of Criminal Investigations before his appointment as police chief in November 2004.

In his year and a half as chief, Troy targeted the growing menace of gangs and drugs within the city, with the JCPD Street Crimes Unit. The unit made over 3,200 drug-related arrests and approximately 290 gang-related arrests in the past 15 months.

Troy did agree with Fulop that the police chief had to be made accountable for the city's crime problem and there should be accountability on all levels. But Troy shot back at Fulop's lack of accountability in the matter.

"If Stevie applied that same accountability procedure to himself, he would remove himself from the council and do the taxpayers a favor," said Troy.

Fulop responds

Fulop responded to Troy's comments last week saying that he has called Troy's office a number of times but has not gotten a response back. He referred to his call for Troy's resignation as a "last resort" in dealing with a dire situation.

He also said that the murder rate wasn't the only reason for his comments.

"I believe he is making excuses," Fulop said. "There is an increase in crime everywhere, not just homicides, but also burglaries, rapes, robberies. When he was sworn as chief, he said, 'You can hold me accountable.' "

Fulop also claimed that his call for Troy's job has had an effect, as a number of plainclothes officers have been returned to walking posts in dangerous parts of the city.

Fulop also wrote a letter to the newspaper about the issue.

"To me," Fulop wrote, "our poor performance not only jeopardizes the safety of our residents, it jeopardizes pro-perty value, and it jeopardizes our standing in the region. Now, if we agree that there is an increase in crime, which I think is fairly difficult to dispute, then the question that needs to be addressed is why, and who is accountable?"

He opined: "Sometimes you have to rattle the cage to get results."

Troy at community meeting

Blunt and plainspoken, Chief Troy has preferred in most cases to shun the limelight, except when to announce a tragic murder or a job well done by his fellow police officers. But with Fulop's call for him to resign, the Christmas Day deaths of JCPD officers Shawn Carson and Robert Nguyen in an accident in which they drove off a draw bridge, Troy has had to contend with being in the public eye more.

Troy, along with Mayor Jerramiah Healy and a number of police personnel, appeared Thursday at a community meeting organized by Ward F City Councilwoman Viola Richardson where he answered questions and spoke on the state of crime in the city.

SIDEBAR

DOT criticizes accident investigation; Troy responds

Jersey City Police Chief Robert Troy responded last week to a recent report by the NJ Department of Transportation regarding their investigation of the accident Christmas Day on the Lincoln Highway Bridge that claimed the lives of Police Officers Shawn Carson, 40, and Robert Nguyen, 30.

Carson and Nguyen were traveling back to Jersey City the night of Dec. 25 after delivering flares on the Lincoln Highway Bridge, which connects Jersey City and Kearny. They were not aware that the bridge was up and the warning lights were out, and their Emergency Services Unit vehicle plunged into the Hackensack River.

There have been various theories as to why the accident occurred. It has been said that the police officers on the bridge were distracted by a false report of a civilian robbery, which diverted their attention from halting their vehicle in time. Another theory states that the officers were not informed that the bridge was up.

A 19-page report on the accident was released by the Department of Transportation, along with an eight-page report on the improvements needed for the bridge, on Jan. 27. It raised questions such as how Jersey City police officers who were already on the bridge, Michael Scarpa and Jane Louf, could not have been aware that the bridge was up, and why the two bridge operators on duty that night, Kenneth Cordano and Ali Alexandarane, were tested for drugs and alcohol when Scarpa and Louf were not.

The report also found that Cordano and Alexandarane were not in any way negligent on duty nor responsible for the accident that claimed the lives of two officers.

But the report criticized the JCPD for conducting an investigation that pressed the bridge operators to give answers "they wanted to hear," rather than recounting what actually happened that night, and rushing them to sign off on their statements without allowing them to read them beforehand.

Last week, Troy said the reason officers Scarpa and Louf were not tested for drugs and alcohol was because he and police officials determined that night that they did not need to be tested because they were not the "ones who raised the bridge."

Troy also said that in their assessment of the accident, the DOT was looking to "divert responsibility" and all the facts will come out early this week when the JCPD announces the results of their long-awaited investigation.

"We're going to lay out the truth, no matter where that road takes us," said Troy. "If the road takes us where we need to be critical of ours, then so be it."

Troy took issue with a suggestion in the DOT report that the JCPD investigators, led by Lt. Mike Kelly of the Major Cases Unit, were too harsh on the operators. He commented sarcastically that it "just breaks my heart."

"The investigators are some of the best in [Hudson] county and they just happen to be Jersey City police officers," said Troy. "We're more concerned about getting to the truth than hurting their feelings." - RK

Ricardo Kaulessar can be reached at rkaulessar@hudsonreporter.com



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Re: Fulop Calls for Resignation of Police Chief Robert Troy
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You couldnt be more wrong, but thanks for the input. If underaged yuppy kids are caught drinking in hoboken they would also be arrested. the drinking age is 21. These underage kids should be doing something called studying or other constructive behavior( working part time etc). A majority of these kids will not get a further education after college and worse cannnot speak proper english and waste our tax $ on schooling them. the bonus for the tax payer is a large percentage of these kids parents get state aid which is also paid for by us.

ther is a direct link between quality of life crimes and more violent crimes. If you are new to the country please look up this name. Rudy Guiliani. He proved every one of your points wrong.

In America, many of us own houses and take great pride in our property. All of these things you mention deteriorate a neighborhood and the properties we own.

By the way, these kids are drinking on their landlords steps, not their own steps.

You left Communist Russia because it was a police state but when you left you forgot to leave behind your extreme socialist views. Before you came to America you should have done your research better. There are several countries that seem to be a better fit for you. Canada and France come to mind. You should check them out when you get the chance. America is the land of opportunity, not the land of excuses and handouts. with your attitude and beliefs you will never grasp the capitalist concept.

Also what's your point with the muslim kids, is that somehow our fault? Please tell me your blaming the muslim parents.Quote:

Pisces1979 wrote:
Oy Vey!
...I think there is an inherant double standard...when poor kids drink and do drugs it's considered a crime...but when middle class kids do it's called nightlife?
... I do see the police walking around from time to time, but doing "a sweep" of a block is going to just cause resentment and retalition in the short term, and is going to make it impossible in the long term to get people to talk to the police.
I see people with stop snitching t-shirts all the time...The real horror of the ghetto is someone who will shoot you and then tell on you, forget that, that is why my family left russia to get away from police state bullsh---t like that.
.... there is a nationwide shortage of police officers, so it would be much better to start a "police explorer" program so that the gangsta kids willl have something better to do with there time. Who knows, they might actucually like become police officers themselves, after interning with the police. I think it is much better in the long term to have police officers who come from the community, versuses some recruit from morris county who is going to stay on the force only 1 - 3 years until he is recruited back again in some 100K per year police officer job in morris county somwhere.
...Honestly there is very little to do in Jersey City if you are under 21. ...Why should the police be told to go harass and arrest kids drinking beer on the front steps of there building, when those kids are over 18, and everywhere else in the world they can go out down to the pub and hang out with there friends?
While it is perfectly acceptable for some trader from goldman sachs who has just spent the day trading stocks based upon the raping of the resources of the third world to go and get blind drunk? Why is a drunk suit winked at, while a black 20 year old drinking a beer considered a menace? Especially for these muslim kids in the neighborhood are caught between fundamentalist Islamic parents, racist society, lack of decent jobs (I.E. Factory UNION jobs, not fast food).
...Also, it is not fair for people under 21 to have no safe venue to play music indoors and dance...and the only place to go is outside, which has banned boomboxes.
... If anything the police should be focusing on anti-social behavior rather than breaking silly rules, like no boomboxes or drinking public. I mean where are alot of these kids going to go? They are stuck between overcrowded apartments, and the streets.
If anything the police need to focus on Drunk and reckless Driving.... I think this is the biggest problem in New Jersey right now. Drunk Driving is still winked at all levels of society, and there definatly needs to be a year round crackdown on reckless and drunk drivers, not just on the holidays.

Posted on: 2006/2/4 10:15
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Re: Fulop Calls for Resignation of Police Chief Robert Troy
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I received a copy of the letter from the City Clerk earlier this week. Since it is hard copy, I have scanned it, but images cannot be uploaded to jclist. If anyone has webspace that they could post it to and link to, I could email it.

The letter only contains marginally more content then the press release.

The city consensus is that Councilman Fulop was looking to take credit for forcing Police Chief Troy out when he is due to retire during departmental buyouts since the chief has 25 years on the force. I now wonder if Fulop picked a fight with the wrong guy and Troy stay will longer.


Posted on: 2006/2/4 9:18
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Re: Fulop Calls for Resignation of Police Chief Robert Troy
Quite a regular
Quite a regular


glx, i didn't mean to sound upset/demanding. my original message had fallen off the main page and i just wanted to bump it to have it addressed. i've asked this question before to others. and as of yet i've never really received a legit answer.

sorry if it read that way steve.

Posted on: 2006/2/4 8:54
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Re: Fulop Calls for Resignation of Police Chief Robert Troy
Just can't stay away
Just can't stay away


Quote:

ccitizen wrote:
i want an answer on this.


Calm down. You sent your first message at almost 5pm, and your next one at 5am the next morning. People are busy and not everyone sits on jclist 24/7, especially someone as busy as the Councilman I'm sure. I think you could've waited a little more than 12 hours before demanding an answer...


Posted on: 2006/2/4 7:19
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