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Re: Healy tries to prevent city administrator from "steering" $100mil in retirement funds to Pruden
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You impugned my integrity

Friday, January 19, 2007
Letters to the Editor
The Jersey Journal

I do not respond to every negative or inaccurate article that your newspaper prints about me, but Jarrett Renshaw's article on the City's Deferred Compensation Board published on Monday, Jan. 8, requires an exception to my general rule.

Prior to Monday, none of your articles had impugned my integrity; indeed in my 56 years on earth in this city in this county, as a father, husband, assistant prosecutor, criminal defense attorney, chief judge, city councilman, and now mayor of our city, no one has ever questioned my honesty or integrity save your newspaper.

The headlines and general tone of Mr. Renshaw's article implied that I had interceded on behalf of the former police chief's half brother's client, The Hartford Group, and tried to steer the contract to The Hartford Group. Nothing could be further from the truth. I received information that Hartford and another bidder were rejected by the board based on alleged deficiencies which in fact did not exist. My intercession was an effort to insure that the selection process was open and fair to all five bidders including Hartford. My ultimate goal was to insure to the best of my ability, that the best deal for the city and its employees would be chosen by the board.

To that end, I wrote the following short memo to Paul Soyka, the city's finance director on June 15, 2006:

"Please use your considerable knowledge of finances and investments to review, advise, and assist the deferred compensation trustees as they move towards their final decision on the City's plan provider for the next few years.

"As you know, this is an important decision that directly impacts the future finances of our City employees. It is urgent that our trustees are provided with all available relevant information and given any guidance they seek to enable them to make the best decision."

All board members and the plan administrator were forwarded copies of that memo. My purpose in writing to the finance director was not to strip the plan administrator's or anyone else's role in this decision, it was merely to urge that the board pick the best provider for the city. In fact, Mr. Renshaw's article in this regard, led me to peruse the City Council's resolutions on this subject passed in 1998 and 2001. These make clear that the ultimate decision on this contract is to be made by the City Council, after the board votes and based on the business administrator's final decision, not the plan administrator's decision.

Finally, as a result of my request and Mr. Soyka's intercession, several of the proposals have been modified to afford the city and its employee's greater savings and benefits.

MAYOR JERRAMIAH T. HEALY JERSEY CITY

Posted on: 2007/1/23 12:47
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JC School custodians aren't the only ones cleaning up - $480G overtime paid to 10 school painters
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NEW OT SHOCKER
2-year overtime bill: $480G to 10 school painters

Tuesday, January 23, 2007
By EARL MORGAN
JOURNAL STAFF WRITER

The custodians aren't the only ones cleaning up in the Jersey City School District, according to a review of district overtime records by The Jersey Journal.

Ten painters working for the state-run school district's maintenance department were paid nearly a half-million dollars in overtime over the past two years. During that same time period, more than $12.6 million in overtime was paid out to district maintenance employees.

The distribution of the overtime also varies widely: Three of the district's 13 union painters didn't receive any overtime in 2005 or 2006; one received $10,776.64 in overtime in 2005, but none last year. Another painter made just $5,418.09 in overtime over the two years.

The bulk of the overtime paid out went to just two of the 13 painters - John Raido and Michael Toussas. Together, they took home $181,866.45 over the two years, or more than one-third of the total amount of overtime paid out.

The list also includes Richard Zadroga - the son of state-appointed district Superintendent Charles T. Epps Jr.'s former special assistant. He received $37,657.01 in overtime in 2005 and another $14,420.14 last year. The former school bus driver makes a base salary of $48,684 a year as a painter.

His mother, Ellen Zadroga, recently retired from her school job, but remains on Epps' payroll as a $12,000-a-year legislative aide. According to campaign finance records, she also contributed $500 to Epps' Assembly campaign.

"Richard took overtime that was offered," Ellen Zadroga said. "Other painters turned it down And there were others that got more than he did in overtime."

A total of $162,427.35 was paid out to painters in overtime in 2006, while $317,806.59 was paid out in 2005. Total cost to the taxpayers: $480,233.94.

While he would not characterize the overtime as excessive, Epps said a "corrective action plan" has already been implemented by the business office, and that accounts for the nearly 50 percent drop in overtime between 2005 and 2006.

That "corrective action plan," is dated Dec. 21, 2005, according to board records. The plan faulted the district for failing to "distribute overtime in accordance with the negotiated contract with Local 2262" - the painters' union - and mandated a more fair distribution of overtime.

Last month, The Jersey Journal reported that a state audit found district maintenance workers were cleaning up in overtime payments, including one employee who got more than $163,000 in overtime during the past two years.

The review was conducted after a state audit team noticed a dramatic spike of more than $2.1 million, or 43 percent, in overtime pay in the district's maintenance department between the 2004-05 and 2005-06 school years.

Overall, overtime pay went from $5.2 million two years ago to $7.4 million last year, according to the audit. Over the last 10 years, maintenance overtime pay increased by an astonishing 426 percent, the report states.

Journal staff writer Jarrett Renshaw contributed to this report.

Posted on: 2007/1/23 12:45
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Re: Developer Pay-to-Play Press Release- Steven Fulop
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If you have something the hide, then you will not want this ordinance passed.
The ordinance should make no difference to politicians if they are 'above board'.

Seems like another 'politicial attack' on the messenger and not really the message.

Posted on: 2007/1/23 12:32
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Re: Developer Pay-to-Play Press Release- Steven Fulop
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I filmed this at the Council Caucus meeting on Jan 22, 2007; it is in two parts due to the 10 minute limitation of youtube. It seems that the Pay to Play Reform ordinance will have a tough time getting passed at the first reading on Wed Jan 24 because everyone on the council expressed opposition to this ordiance except for Councilman Steve Fulop who introduced it. PART 1: PART 2:

Posted on: 2007/1/23 7:24
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Re: Court finds NJ users can expect privacy from Internet providers
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So this means that no one will be able to find out R. Pinkowitz's real name? Doh!



Thanks a lot, you just blew my cover

Obviously, my post doesn't pertain to me since I chose to use my real name. I did find this interesting, especially the links to the site that answers many questions about the law pertaining to the internet, free speech, opinion vs fact, blogs etc. Made for some good reading.

Posted on: 2007/1/23 4:47
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Re: Court finds NJ users can expect privacy from Internet providers
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So this means that no one will be able to find out R. Pinkowitz's real name? Doh!

Posted on: 2007/1/23 4:38
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Downtown Harvest CSA - Meet our farmer and learn about Community Supported Agriculture in JC
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Hey Jersey City! Enjoy Fresh, Organic Produce from Summer into Fall with Downtown Harvest,
Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) in Jersey City

We will open enrollment for our third season on February 8, with a presentation about Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) and Downtown Harvest

Meet Our Farmer:
John Krueger of Starbrite Farm

Thursday, February 8th, 7:30 pm
OLC Church Hall, 120 Sussex Street, Jersey City

Learn how you can:
? Become a member for the 2007 season!
? Enjoy locally grown organic produce
? Enhance the health and vitality of yourself and your family
? Grow a more direct relationship with your community and the earth
Membership is limited

Refreshments will be served.

website: www.downtownharvest.org
email: downtownharvest@yahoo.com

Downtown Harvest is sponsored by OLC Church, 120 Sussex Street, Jersey City

Posted on: 2007/1/23 4:24
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Re: Developer Pay-to-Play Press Release- Steven Fulop
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I'd like to thank my good pal Sonia for posting this Letter-to-the-Editor over at the NWA...

Fulop's rush to grandstand
Monday, January 22, 2007

Letters to the Editor
The Jersey Journal

The term pay-to-play has become a beckoning call for those who wish to see more openness and reform in the ways in which our government does business. It, also, has been a tool for self-serving politicians wishing to grandstand for the purpose of advancing their own personal agenda. Councilman Steve Fulop's demand that Jersey City pass legislation to stop "pay-to-play" actions by developers doing business with Jersey City Redevelopment Agency could be perceived as being self-serving rather than for the benefit of the people of Jersey City. Let me explain.

Councilman Fulop's rationale for sponsoring such legislation is that "Hudson County has been plagued by a negative stigma, so we're going to correct the perception" and that "the goal of the ordinance is to eliminate the perception that the road to 'designation' is paved by campaign contributions." Oddly enough, Councilman Fulop never called upon his council colleagues to study and meaningfully discuss the potential need for "pay-to-play" legislation, but single-handedly sought to make his desire for such legislation through headlines. Worse yet, Councilman Fulop never even consulted with the executive director of the Jersey City Redevelopment Agency to confirm his fears or perceptions. To raise this matter to the extent Councilman Fulop has without himself having fully researched it is not only irresponsible but also unscrupulous in that it fosters those same negative perceptions he is trying to rid about our city.

Councilman Fulop recently had another of his sponsored ordinances concerning a Zoning Checklist overturned by this state's Superior Court, costing the taxpayers a significant amount of city funds in a losing effort. Rather than commit to the same mistakes of impetuous lawmaking, let's take our time to make good laws, not good headlines.

COUNCILMAN STEVE LIPSKI JERSEY CITY

Posted on: 2007/1/23 4:17
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Re: Court finds NJ users can expect privacy from Internet providers
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Sonia to use her Kennedy connections to have this immediately overturned.

Posted on: 2007/1/23 3:42
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Court finds NJ users can expect privacy from Internet providers
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Court finds NJ users can expect privacy from Internet providers
1/22/2007, 5:37 p.m. ET
By JEFFREY GOLD
The Associated Press


NEWARK, N.J. (AP) ? Computer users in New Jersey can expect that personal information they give their Internet service providers be treated as private, a state appellate court decided Monday in the first such case considered in the state.

As a result, New Jersey and several other states give greater privacy rights to computer users than most federal courts, and law enforcement officers in New Jersey need to obtain valid subpoenas or search warrants to obtain the information.

The court ruled that a computer user whose screen name hid her identity has a "legitimate and substantial" interest in anonymity.

"Yes, this indicates that New Jersey, like a lot of states, is ahead of the curve on Internet privacy," said Kevin Bankston, a staff attorney with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a San Francisco-based digital rights group.

Bankston also praised the decision for recognizing anonymity as a core free speech right.

The 3-0 ruling by an appellate panel stems from the indictment of Shirley Reid, who was suspected of breaking into the computer system of her employer in Cape May County in 2004 and changing its shipping address and password for suppliers.

The decision upholds a lower court ruling suppressing information from Reid's Internet service provider that linked her with a screen name that did not reveal her identity. Lower Township police obtained the information after having the township's Municipal Court administrator issue a subpoena to the provider, Comcast Internet Service.

However, the appellate panel found that the subpoena was invalid because the crime being investigated was not within that court's jurisdiction and the subpoena was not issued, as required, in connection with a judicial proceeding.

And since "New Jersey is among the few states to have found an implied right to privacy in its state charter," a proper subpoena or search warrant is required to obtain private information, the appeals court decided.

It was not immediately known if the ruling would lead to the dismissal of the one-count indictment on computer theft.

Cape May County Prosecutor Robert L. Taylor said no decision had been made on whether to appeal the ruling.

Messages left for Reid's lawyer were not immediately returned.

By using a coded screen name the "defendant manifested an intention to keep her identity publicly anonymous. She could have used her own name or some other ISP address that would have readily revealed her identity, but she did not. Having chosen anonymity, we conclude that defendant manifested a reasonable expectation of privacy in her true identity, known only to Comcast," Appellate Judge Harvey Weissbard wrote for the panel.

The court, however, did not issue blanket protection for computer-based criminals.

"Just as with telephones or bank records, computers cannot be used with impunity for unlawful purposes. When there is probable cause to believe unlawful use has occurred, law enforcement has the tools to respond," the court said.

Federal courts have held the Internet subscribers have no right of privacy under Fourth Amendment protections against illegal search and seizure regarding identifying information on file with their service providers. That stems from U.S. Supreme Court decisions which held that a person cannot expect privacy for information voluntarily given to others, the New Jersey court said.

"However, the right to privacy of New Jersey citizens under our State Constitution has been expanded to areas not afforded such protection under the Fourth Amendment," the court added.

The ruling was endorsed by Jennifer Stisa Granick, executive director of the Center for Internet and Society at Stanford Law School in California, because it recognizes that Internet communications are private even though they flow through third parties.

"It's a much better balance than everything being fair game just because you use the Internet," Granick said.

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Appellate ruling: http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/opinions/a3424-05.pdf

Center for Internet and Society: http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/about

Electronic Frontier Foundation: http://www.eff.org

http://www.eff.org/Censorship/

Posted on: 2007/1/23 2:17

Edited by r_pinkowitz on 2007/1/23 2:36:11
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Re: Developer Pay-to-Play Press Release- Steven Fulop
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Actually, the proposed ordinance bans the contribution from a year prior to being A) designated developer or the RFQ which ever is longer for an existing redevelopment plan or B) designated developer or the authorization of the study to determine if an area is in need of redevelopment (blight study), whichever is shorter through the completion of the redevelopment project. A long time for a promise to be kept. The Liberty Harbor North redevelopment project has been going 20+ years and counting

I believe that the ordinance goes much further than just the appearance of impropriety, it makes a current practice illegal.

Yes, in my mind a conflict of interest currently exists and council members should recuse them from redevelopment related votes that involve their campaign donors, but since our elected officials have not or do not appear to see it the same way, banning this conflict of interest needs to be codified into law. Also, the Mayor signs off on some of these ordinances, changes and agreements, how does he recuse himself.

I recall that Councilman Fulop, prior to running for the council office, raised the recusal issue when speaking before the council a couple of years ago against tax abatement agreements. The response was, which is the same response we hear today, is that the contibutions do not unduly influence council members and the Mayor's decisions and that their decisions are soley based on the public interest.

Enough said, I support the ordinance and hope others will.





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This may be a stupid question, but doesn't this ordinance simply change the timing of donations from developers to politicians? Instead of "pay to play" it will be "play and pay". If I'm a developer, and I think I can influence a politician with donations, won't I just make a "promise" to support that politician in the next election if I win business. Then, when my work crew is already busy with a multi-year city project (which I suspect most of the city projects are), I can fulfill my promise. All I have to do is make my last donation more than a year before my current work with the city is done.

If this ordinance is supposed to address "the appearance of impropriety", why doesn't it simply require a councilperson to recuse themselves if they have accepted donations from a developer bidding on a project? This holds the politicians accountable, and doesn't infringe on the rights of people to donate to petition their government.

Posted on: 2007/1/22 19:28
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Re: Developer Pay-to-Play Press Release- Steven Fulop
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I understand and agree with your point.

Yes, Civic JC and I support this ordinance. This is disclosed in Councilman Fulop's press release which started this discussion thread, though not in the follow up posting.

I could have better stated that "I and/or Civic JC believe that it is not relevant to the merits of the proposed ordinance whether Councilman Fulop or any other council members have accepted campaign contributions from developers."

While we did not draft the ordinance for Councilman Fulop, it is similiar to one which we proposed in June 2006 and both are based on the model ordinance from Citizen's Campaign.

Lastly, no intent to hide my/our support of this ordinance.




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NNJR wrote:
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Whether Councilman Fulop or any other council members have accepted campaign contributions from developers is not relevant.


While I agree that this is important legislation, this idea will be relevant as it could possibly relate to motive. The publics best interest is not always the reason.


I whole-heartedly agree, NNJR (happy day!). Given that this ordinance seeks to address "appearance of impropriety" issues in municipal/developer relationships, I think the motives behind Fulop's introduction of this ordinance and his campaign finance history should be highly scrutinized.

I'll determine what is relevant to whether i support this ordinance, thank you very much. I find your language insulting, DanL, as your post could be easily misread as purporting to be unbiased, when in fact you're clearly pushing for the passage of this ordinance (you drafted it, after all). Being on the side of an ordinance you drafted isn't a problem in itself, but holding yourself out to seem unbiased when you clearly aren't is disingenuous.

Posted on: 2007/1/22 18:52
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Re: Developer Pay-to-Play Press Release- Steven Fulop
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This may be a stupid question, but doesn't this ordinance simply change the timing of donations from developers to politicians? Instead of "pay to play" it will be "play and pay". If I'm a developer, and I think I can influence a politician with donations, won't I just make a "promise" to support that politician in the next election if I win business. Then, when my work crew is already busy with a multi-year city project (which I suspect most of the city projects are), I can fulfill my promise. All I have to do is make my last donation more than a year before my current work with the city is done.

If this ordinance is supposed to address "the appearance of impropriety", why doesn't it simply require a councilperson to recuse themselves if they have accepted donations from a developer bidding on a project? This holds the politicians accountable, and doesn't infringe on the rights of people to donate to petition their government.

Posted on: 2007/1/22 17:33
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Re: Developer Pay-to-Play Press Release- Steven Fulop
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NONdowntown wrote:

I'll determine what is relevant to whether i support this ordinance, thank you very much. I find your language insulting, DanL, as your post could be easily misread as purporting to be unbiased, when in fact you're clearly pushing for the passage of this ordinance (you drafted it, after all).

Being on the side of an ordinance you drafted isn't a problem in itself, but holding yourself out to seem unbiased when you clearly aren't is disingenuous.


How do you like them bananas!!

Posted on: 2007/1/22 17:25
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Re: Jersey City's Parks and Open Space Master Plan
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Just reviewing this again and realized that the draft report is now titled "Recreation Master Plan".



... catastrophic systemic breakdown.

Posted on: 2007/1/22 16:45
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Re: Developer Pay-to-Play Press Release- Steven Fulop
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Quote:

NNJR wrote:
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Whether Councilman Fulop or any other council members have accepted campaign contributions from developers is not relevant.


While I agree that this is important legislation, this idea will be relevant as it could possibly relate to motive. The publics best interest is not always the reason.


I whole-heartedly agree, NNJR (happy day!). Given that this ordinance seeks to address "appearance of impropriety" issues in municipal/developer relationships, I think the motives behind Fulop's introduction of this ordinance and his campaign finance history should be highly scrutinized.

I'll determine what is relevant to whether i support this ordinance, thank you very much. I find your language insulting, DanL, as your post could be easily misread as purporting to be unbiased, when in fact you're clearly pushing for the passage of this ordinance (you drafted it, after all). Being on the side of an ordinance you drafted isn't a problem in itself, but holding yourself out to seem unbiased when you clearly aren't is disingenuous.

Posted on: 2007/1/22 16:39
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Re: Developer Pay-to-Play Press Release- Steven Fulop
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Quote:

Saturday January 6, 2007
Letter to the Editor - MAYOR JERRAMIAH HEALY

Fulop?s plan wrong for city
I am opposed . . . .

As I have said publicly, the basic credo of the administration is simple and was borrowed from the honor code of the U.S. Military Academies and is worth repeating here: ?Don?t Lie, Don?t Cheat, and Don?t Steal.?

MAYOR JERRAMIAH HEALY
JERSEY CITY


Actually, the Honor Code, is more about Doing what is Right rather than simply not breaking any rules . . . It is not about Don't do this, don't do that. it is about developing Leaders who honor the trust of the American people with service.

It Ain't about the Benjamins!

Posted on: 2007/1/22 16:09
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Re: Developer Pay-to-Play Press Release- Steven Fulop
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Quote:
Whether Councilman Fulop or any other council members have accepted campaign contributions from developers is not relevant.


While I agree that this is important legislation, this idea will be relevant as it could possibly relate to motive. The publics best interest is not always the reason.

Posted on: 2007/1/22 15:43
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Re: What about the state of City Hall? Mayor's state of city address overshadowed by staff issues.
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But you forgot an important point, he was trying to SAVE them money by having them switching phone plans. What a service to JC citizens!

Posted on: 2007/1/22 15:26
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Re: Jersey City's Parks and Open Space Master Plan
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Just reviewing this again and realized that the draft report is now titled "Recreation Master Plan".

While the draft report does discuss open space needs and deficit, it proposses covering green space with recreational facilities in existing mostly passive parks, rather than centralizing athletic fields and the like in athletic complexes with ammenities to support both ad hoc use and official leagues.

In the draft, there are many proposals to pave over green space to introduce or increase recreational facilities throughout the downtown and the city. While changing the recreational element could makes sense to meet current favor, it would seem counter productive reduce greenspace.

What do others think?

Posted on: 2007/1/22 12:42
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Re: Developer Pay-to-Play Press Release- Steven Fulop
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At the last council meeting, Council President Vega stated that Councilman Fulop\'s proposed Redevelopment Pay to Play Reform ordinance would be on the agenda for January 24th.

In the world of our city council, we will be able to confirm this by the end of the caucus meeting on January 22.

If you have interest in how the muncipal council works, stop by City Hall, 280 Grove St., a little before 6pm, 2nd Floor, Monday evening. You can observe, but not speak.

If confirmed that the ordinance is on the agenda, it will come up to be introduced -

Date: Wednesday, January 24th

Time: 6 pm

Place: Council Chambers, City Hall, 280 Grove Street

If you wish to speak in support (or opposition), you can do so during the open speaking portion of the council meeting by calling the City Clerk\'s office on Monday or Tuesday at (201) 547-5150.

Note that the first reading and vote to introduce the ordinance does not provide for public comment. If you speak during the public speaking portion of the meeting, the vote will have been done to either introduce or not introduce the ordinance.

Whether Councilman Fulop or any other council members have accepted campaign contributions from developers is not relevant. This is a vital ordinance and if enacted could have far reaching positive effects on improving our municipal government.

I have said enough about this issue here on this board. For more information, visit Civic JC\'s website for Councilman Fulop\'s press release, Civic JC\'s op/ed article and Civic JC\'s request for support at -

www.CIVICJC.org

The ordinance has been designed and promoted by Citizen\'s Campaign - www.jointhecampaign.org

Hopefully, upon the conclusion of Wednesday\'s council meeting, we will be able to thank at least five of our council members for voting to introduce the ordinance....

Posted on: 2007/1/22 12:31
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Missing the point here
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Why isn't anyone upset or questioning why a bride, after she gets shaken down for money and telephone service at her wedding, calls the Mayor's Chief of Staff Carl Czaplicki and complains in October?

He in turn tells her to put it in writing which she does. Was he trying to stall or derail this citizens complaint by taking her call then telling her to put it in writing?

Then after letting this woman put it in writing addressed to him, Czaplicki does absolutely NOTHING!

Czaplicki doesn't alert the mayor, doesn't contact the law department, doesn't even call the deputy mayor in to question him, but allows him to continue shaking down unsuspecting brides and grooms until the press picks up on it several months later and then and only then does he address it?

Why hasn't anyone question why the Chief of Staff covered up this action?

Why did Czaplicki allow the deputy mayor to continue to shake down more brides and grooms at their weddings?

Posted on: 2007/1/22 9:49
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Re: Wireless Internet - Steven Fulop
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Ai, ai, ai, I once had an argument with a friend about why the government involuntarily takes money from all of us to fund Government schools. "Children need schooling" was the other person's argument. One approach would be to go into the not so subtle nuances of whether the stolen money must only fund shitty government schools and not put them into competition with private schools via vouchers. I still see no reasonable argument against this yet...

My more direct argument was that children need shoes even more than schooling - does that mean that the government should take money from all of us and have a monopoly on shoe production? Are there a lot of poor kids without shoes as a consequence or this not being the status quo?

Given the failure of the government to take care of education and the horrible idea of them having a monopoly on shoes - I really do wonder why anyone thinks that they should get into one of the most dynamic and fast moving business - wireless technology.

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GeorgeWBush wrote:
2 questions:

First, why do the "disadvantaged" need broadband? What can they do with broadband that they cannot do with dialup?

Is mp3 watching, porno downloads, bit torrent burns, and online gaming "necessary services" that government (ie, homeowners paying property taxes) are obligated to provide?

Why, exactly?

Also, let's be honest- It won't be senior citizens and low income people hooking up to the network.

Going forward, you're going to see the taking of a nascent technology (15 years the internet has been a household word- we're just getting started) from a center of innovation to becoming a "government service" that will run as efficiently and improve as quickly as other "government services".

And why? Because populist politicians are always looking for something else to "give" away.....from someone else's pocket.

I hate Comcast with a white hot burning passion from a service standpoint. The connection, however, rocks, and I'm willing to pay for it (comes down to $2 a day if you don't have digital, less if you do- Hardly a prohibitive cost).

I make a prediction today- If you get "free" government internet, in 10 years it will cost on average way more than $2 a day for each account.

Forcing a company to compete with a "free" government service, with power limited only by their ability to tax, with no incentive AT ALL to service, is a scenario for the destruction of the networks that do exist. Mark my words- Do this, and 20 years from now you'll see a stagnant network that has improved not at all.

But wait! We'll sell advertising! We'll get Google to donate! It will be FREE! Ah yes, initially it will. Someday, however, Google or whoever will be finished with this sinkhole, and you'll find "emergency spending bills" being authorized to cover the costs. Then you'll get 20-30 no-show no work "network maintainence" jobs out of city hall.

I could go on but I'm tired, and I don't need to. Look around you at everything that your municipality either controls or provides. It is uniformly sad, dilapidated, slow, pitiful, and embarassing. They can't maintain a street. You want them to maintain a wireless network?

And all these people I hear worried that government is eavesdropping, controlling, censoring, etc...You all want a government controlling how and where and when you access the internet? What's to stop a municipality from running blocking software to screen out "objectional" websites? You get one bible-thumper in office and it will be "adios porno!", complete with well oiled speeches denouncing use of taxpayer money for porno bandwidth. And once that happens, once censorship is accepted a little bit, it's all over. The next step will be dirty words, "offensive" non-politically correct commentary (defined by whoever is in office at the time), etc etc etc. What about when a political adversary's website "accidentally" gets blocked the week of the election?


Governments... ALL governments, by virtue of what they are, seek to control, to the extent they're able, the flow of information. The Internet is proving to be a revolutionary tool for getting the truth out. Government would love to control the revolution, and to save $2 a day, $1 or less for narrowband, are there really people out there that are willing to let them do it?

Freedom is sold that cheaply?

Would you trust George W Bush with control over your internet connection? Would you believe him when he said he'd never allow anything to be censored today, tomorrow, 20 years from now?

Also- The internet is not "free" from a traffic carrying standpoint. At some time the value proposition for the national network, if the locals become province of government, will change. Not enough time to talk about that here, but remember NOTHING is free, and you get what you pay for.

Think long and hard. There are repercussions far beyond free access in Hamilton Park while walking the dog.


GWB

Posted on: 2007/1/22 4:12
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Re: Wireless Internet - Steven Fulop
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I'm sure many people can't wait for free wifi. Imagine the temptation to download movies, music, child porn, snuff movies without worrying about the cops coming over! I bet terrorists would also find some use for it as well to attack manhattan!

Posted on: 2007/1/22 0:08
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Re: What about the state of City Hall? Mayor's state of city address overshadowed by staff issues.
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Just can't stay away


I'm stunned the man was sober enough to stay awake during his own pointless speech. If the boss comes to work at 10am and leaves at 3pm, its easy to imagine what all the employees would be doing during the 1/3 of the working day that they are unsupervised.

This "Mayor" should retire after this term to a nice job as the taster in the Schlitz brewery over on Route 3.

Posted on: 2007/1/21 22:39
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Re: What about the state of City Hall? Mayor's state of city address overshadowed by staff issues.
Home away from home
Home away from home


not caring is the worst.

Posted on: 2007/1/21 21:41
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Re: What about the state of City Hall? Mayor's state of city address overshadowed by staff issues.
Quite a regular
Quite a regular


I'm not sure what's worse: The mayor not having a clue of what is going on, not caring or knowingly allowing it.

Posted on: 2007/1/21 21:36
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Re: Wireless Internet - Steven Fulop
Home away from home
Home away from home


Free wireless access in JC, hahahahahahahah. Not that it will ever happen but even if it did, we can look forward to even more people being mugged, run over or getting into car accidents because they are walking around or driving while listening to the ipod AND talking on the cell with one hand while typing on a handheld with the other. I doubt any wireless system will reach inside houses very well so this will be a free service for people who can afford a Blackberry or Palm or anyone dumb enough to go sit on a park bench with a $1500 laptop. And another thing, as far as this being an essential tool for children's education Bwahahahahahahahah. Dude, don't you know what kids use the internet for? No, not to research for their school essay. It's for My Space, AOL or Yahoo instant messageing, YouTube, porn, gaming, illegal music downloads and god only knows what else. And adults (I use the term loosely) are pretty much on the same level. Ya know, like squandering endless hours on sites like, well, sites like this one right here.

Posted on: 2007/1/21 17:48
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Re: Wireless Internet - Steven Fulop
Quite a regular
Quite a regular


In JC? I don't know of municipal free hotspots. the Jersey City Public Libraries do offer free internet access.

In Philly users are charged based on need, so it can cost from $9.99 a month - digital inclusive rate for low income people - to the market rate of $21/month.

I doubt that we can count on corporations or advertising to pay for free wi-fi. Google offers free wireless in a few test markets, but I don't think that is going anywhere.

Free municipal wi-fi hotspots in select areas -- as opposed to blanketing the entire city, is more realistic for the short term.

See: http://www.wirelessphiladelphia.org/index.cfm

Quote:

jc_insomniac wrote:
S_F, isn't the city wi-fi- only free at certain hotspots?

Either way, I can't wait for this to be implemented.

Posted on: 2007/1/21 17:14
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Re: Wireless Internet - Steven Fulop
Home away from home
Home away from home


This should be supported by some of the big corporations that are now located in Jersey City. It will only be good if it costs the city nothing and is free or costs very little to end users -- but if that can be accomplished this could be really great for poor children here in Jersey City!

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There are also some great things happening worldwide in this regard: $100 Laptop -- OneLaptopPerChild (OLPC):

http://www.olpcnews.com/

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Home

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and there is now free Linux software given away to anyone from South African philanthropist -- Ubuntu:

http://www.ubuntu.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(Linux_distribution)

Posted on: 2007/1/21 16:45

Edited by GrovePath on 2007/1/21 17:17:39
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