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Re: Assault/wilding incident on 9th and Erie
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There's a big difference between whether he would be charged and whether he would be convicted. If it went too far and the usual grievance groups popped up, maybe charges to do some CYA.

I think that, if you managed to get the pipe away from one of a group, that both the law and your fellow citizens in the form of a jury would give you a tremendous amount of latitude in how you decide it is most appropriate to defend yourself.

I would imagine that the "reasonable man" standard would come into play here- Is the level of force this person employed reasonable given the circumstances?

Given the fact that you are justified in shooting and killing an intruder in your home (generally), I would imagine a serious beat down in the street for would-be muggers would go over without too much comment.

Now here's a question- Obviously these clowns picked the wrong guy. Was it a young man these animals attacked? That always seemed to me to be exceedingly stupid, since young men generally don't run around with a ton of jewelry or other fenceable items, and are in posession of testosterone, which makes reactions under intense pressure erratic and unpredictable at best.

Disturbing, because that is far from a seedy corner over there. Little isolated, but not what I would consider high risk.



GWB

Posted on: 2006/6/29 11:09
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Re: Three 40-plus story towers on 110 and 111 First Street sites.
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We agree. There was no reason to ammend the PAD Redev Plan, or grant variances for the height. This is a slap in the face to City Planning - which produced a sound plan. Not only did we all loose in the PAD, but this may have a ripple effect which will impact other parts of the city. It sets a dangerous precedent that developers can sue the city at will to have redev plans amended.

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The council's vote (6-2 in favor of settlement with Goldman that allows for construction of up to three towers, etc) was nothing short of spineless cowardice to a bully...

Posted on: 2006/6/29 11:08
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Re: Three 40-plus story towers on 110 and 111 First Street sites.
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I like artists as much as anyone else, but I don't see why the government should be giving subsidized housing to artists or forcing developers to. shouldn't teachers get subsidized housing, or fire and police personnel? what about social and non-profit workers?

Posted on: 2006/6/29 11:03
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Re: Three 40-plus story towers on 110 and 111 First Street sites.
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The council's vote (6-2 in favor of settlling with Goldman and thereby allowing towers to go up in the PAD) was nothing short of spineless cowardice to a bully.

New Gold Properties is a property owner of the worst sort - flauting laws as it sees fit and then threatening lawsuits when it the laws of the land don't suit its agenda.

There are reasons why we have government - to protect the citizens from those that seek to harm those that live there. That is government in its simplest form. The council failed in this most simple duty last night.

Last night was a time for the council to once again stand up for the people of the PAD and the laws in place and tell Goldman that his organization can not run roughshod over Jersey City.

The settlement never needed to be discussed as there was no need. The laws were there to be enforced. The PAD is the only zone and has its standards. Zones within zones is utter nonsense. And calling that agreement a settlement is a utter misnomer. It's clear capitulation with a party that has proven that it can not and should not be trusted.

Goldman could have sued for $200 million or $300 million or for whatever amount it wanted and for however long it chose and the city has the responsibility to move in lockstep to support the people of the PAD.

Goldman and those like him are a cancer upon the heart of our City. We can choose to fight them off aggressively or subcumb and let the city and every aspect of what makes it special die a slow and irrevocable death.

Posted on: 2006/6/29 11:03
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Re: Three 40-plus story towers on 110 and 111 First Street sites.
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The council's vote (6-2 in favor of settlement with Goldman that allows for construction of up to three towers, etc) was nothing short of spineless cowardice to a bully.

New Gold Properties is a property owner of the worst sort - flauting laws as it sees fit and then threatening lawsuits when it the laws of the land don't suit its agenda.

There are reasons why we have government - to protect the citizens from those that seek to harm those that live there. That is government in its simplest form. The council failed in this most simple duty last night.

Last night was a time for the council to once again stand up for the people of the PAD and the laws in place and tell Goldman that his organization can not run roughshod over Jersey City.

The settlement never needed to be discussed as there was no need. The laws were there to be enforced. The PAD is the only zone and has its standards. Zones within zones is utter nonsense. And calling that agreement a settlement is a utter misnomer. It's clear capitulation with a party that has proven that it can not and should not be trusted.

Goldman could have sued for $200 million or $300 million or for whatever amount it wanted and for however long it chose and the city has the responsibility to move in lockstep to support the people of the PAD.

Goldman and those like him are a cancer upon the heart of our City. We can choose to fight them off aggressively or subcumb and let the city and every aspect of what makes it special die a slow and irrevocable death.

Posted on: 2006/6/29 10:58
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Re: Assault/wilding incident on 9th and Erie
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Where's our beat cops?

Posted on: 2006/6/29 10:55
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Re: Assault/wilding incident on 9th and Erie
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Personally - I hope he got a couple of good shots in before they ran away.

Posted on: 2006/6/29 10:53
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Re: JERSEY CITY POLICE CHIEF TROY CALLING IT QUITS
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I'm posting simply to get my sig line in here too.

Posted on: 2006/6/29 10:47
"Someday a book will be written on how this city can be broke in the midst of all this development." ---Brewster

Oh, wait, there is one: The Jersey Sting.
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Re: Assault/wilding incident on 9th and Erie
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Do you think it would have been perfectly fine/legal if this gentleman hit some of these thugs with the same metal pipe he was threatened/assaulted with? Or would he have been brought in for striking a minor even though he would have been defending himself? Because, If this was me and I had the opportunity to stike back- I would. I think me + metal pipe = gang of minors up to no good.

Thoughts?

Posted on: 2006/6/29 10:32
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Skyscrapers coming to 111 First Street
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I wasn't at the City Council meeting for the duration, but I heard that there were dozens of supporters that hammered the city council with their arguments in opposition of the settlement, and it went on for hours. This is from the 25mc.com blog:

The City Council voted 6-2 (with Fulop and Richardson in dissent) to accept the agreement with New Gold Properties paving the way for the construction of towers on the site of 110 and 111 First Streets. read more...

Posted on: 2006/6/29 10:12
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Re: Assault/wilding incident on 9th and Erie
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SamS wrote:
At the same time the police also saw the teens and chased them.

I think there may have been an apprehension.


This is great news.

Doesn't Jersey City have a curfew for kids? Maybe the police probably have a legal right to haul the kids in just because they're outside unsupervised after curfew. That would help eliminate the need for us to actually see a mugging, drug deal, etc. before calling in to complain about kids like this.

Posted on: 2006/6/29 10:11
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Re: Censorship on Newport Waterfront Association Boards
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LoraJ wrote:

Last week there was a thread on that message board where they wanted to sue everyone in this thread for slander.

wow, i missed that one! that's a threat for sure. i remember the wars of last year, when i got thrown out - she was writing things like (not about me, but some other 'offenders') : "we know who you are. we know where you live. we know where you work."
that's sounds like a blackmail to me. but i guess in her eyes that's just the statement of fact.
in my view 100 people (or whatever the tiny membership is - she is not forthcoming with numbers) cannot possibly represent the 8K (last figure) of residents or 30k of working people there. period. no matter how good a job they think they're doing.

Posted on: 2006/6/29 9:02
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Re: Three 40-plus story towers on 110 and 111 First Street sites.
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JCLAW wrote:



When the 'abatements' starting getting used frequently in the late 1990's, the State was predictably mad that they weren't getting any of the money to offset their cost of running JC's troubled school system. So they made JC change its 'abatement' formula to impose a surcharge of 5% of the 'abatement' payment which goes directly to the school system.
So as a result, the same group of waterfront buildings which is paying $75 million in 'abatements' to JC each year, is also now paying another $2.5-3 million in JC school system payments each year, which the state uses to defray its $70 million dollar annual school costs.


cute. and somebody always harps how abaters 'don't contribute to school system'...aside from the fact that the majority of people in abated properties don't use the public school system at all, either 'cause they don't have kids of school age or 'cause they use private schooling.
but that aside - i really don't see what's the uproar about.
most buildings around powerhouse are already hi-rises. and this is becoming a very expensive area to develop. demolition and restoration is prohibitively expensive - otherwise the powerhouse would be all cleaned up long time ago. low-rise is not profitable enough to cover the costs. so it's quite plausible the guy will mothball the whole project. how is THAT better for the neighbourhood?
may be 10 or even 5 years ago restoration was doable - but now it's just too late.

Posted on: 2006/6/29 8:49
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Re: Censorship on Newport Waterfront Association Boards
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What Sonia forgets is that Steve has a lot of supporters. After all, we did get him elected. I don't agree with everything he does, but I do feel that he's doing the best for the community. He's very responsive, etc. But, as you know, he does not tell me to post on his behalf.

Last week there was a thread on that message board where they wanted to sue everyone in this thread for slander. There's no slander here. The only slander is them spouting off that Steve is behind all of our negative posts about her and the NWA. That is so far from the truth.

And also, the other day, it appeared, in my opinion, as though Sonia is actually talking to herself on those boards. One of the posters asked a question, she forgot to log out and answered the question in the same persons user name.

It's also funny how they lie and twist the facts about the Korean Vets memorial. You just know that if Steve Fulop was for opening the street they would be against it. If Fulop was against renaming Pavonia they would be for it.
Not only that, Fulop wasn't the only one involved in that fiasco, yet you wouldn't know it from their posts.

If I lived at Newport, I would make sure that woman gets thrown off of the NWA. She gives that place a bad name.

They need to grow up and try and work with Fulop instead of against him. It's in the best interest for their community.

Posted on: 2006/6/29 8:05
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Assault/wilding incident on 9th and Erie
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Last evening one of my neighbors called to advise of a reported assault on a late 40s something man, buy a gang of young teens between the ages of 13 to 15 at the corner of Erie and 9th. The gang of teens assaulted the victim with a metal pipe. The victim was able to wrangle the pipe away from one of the teens, who then fled. My neighbor brought the victim to the East District police department. Later that evening that same neighbor saw what appeared to be the same group of teens. At the same time the police also saw the teens and chased them.

I think there may have been an apprehension.

Posted on: 2006/6/29 7:28
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Re: Three 40-plus story towers on 110 and 111 First Street sites.
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What was the outcome of tonight's City Council Meeting?

Posted on: 2006/6/28 23:32
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Re: Post your Pimp Sightings Here
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terrorcattz wrote:
I saw "the pimp" today (06/28) going into Shop Rite. He was dressed in head to toe yellow... suit, shoes, shades, hat, AND walking stick! It was the fist time I had seen him. Judging by the posts he seems to be in that area quite often.

Clean shirt, new shoes
And I dont know where I am goin to.
Silk suit, black tie,
I dont need a reason why.
They come runnin just as fast as they can
Coz every girl crazy bout a Shop Rite man.

Gold watch, diamond ring,
I aint missin a single thing.
And cufflinks, stick pin,
When I step out Im gonna do you in.
They come runnin just as fast as they can
Coz every girl crazy bout a Shop Rite man.

Top coat, top hat,
I dont worry coz my wallets fat.
Black shades, white gloves,
Lookin sharp and lookin for love.
They come runnin just as fast as they can
Coz every girl grazy bout a Shop Rite man.

Posted on: 2006/6/28 23:15
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Re: Post your Pimp Sightings Here
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I saw "the pimp" today (06/28) going into Shop Rite. He was dressed in head to toe yellow... suit, shoes, shades, hat, AND walking stick! It was the fist time I had seen him. Judging by the posts he seems to be in that area quite often.

Posted on: 2006/6/28 22:50
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Re: JERSEY CITY POLICE CHIEF TROY CALLING IT QUITS
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yes, the finances behind PILOTS and abatements are conveniently complicated/obfuscated, but to find the truth, just follow the money... in the NY TImes article, the only supporters of Mayor McTipsy they could find to cite were the big developers coming into town. That in itself speaks volumes to me (a point missed by the NY Times cub reporter assigned to the JC beat).

...I mean, especially now, who doesn't believe the phrase "candy from a baby" *hasn't* crossed the lips of the developers seated in their Manhattan boardrooms?

...it's a drag this guy is and will continue to be a self-deprecating JC joke for the next few years, but the mishandling of the current ongoing development deals will have much more of a long-lasting effect, and last on long after he teeters off into the sunset.

mark my words.

Posted on: 2006/6/28 22:30
"Someday a book will be written on how this city can be broke in the midst of all this development." ---Brewster
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Re: Censorship on Newport Waterfront Association Boards
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I haven't been to the NWA forums in a couple of weeks, so imagine my surprise when I saw tonight that the old thread about the rape at Lincoln resurfaced!

Wow, this Sonia truly is a piece of work. I don't know what's more appalling, that she implied that the rape never took place, or that anyone who posts negative things about her is a "nut" and "Steve Fulop's mouthpiece." I really shouldn't care what is posted on that site since I don't live in Newport, but this woman is out of control. I feel bad for anyone living there.


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Never said the rape happened or didn't happen, just raised the question, " So did a rape actually happen?" You need to reach your own conclusions. The truth is we can't prove it did, or the District Attorney office would have a case, they don't even have a defendant. Nor am I calling the tenant a liar, or saying that she falsified a claim, but there was a failure to substantiate a claim, and I'm also reporting circumstances surrounding this incident from which you may draw your own conclusions. I'm fine with that.

Renuka, the information I reported here is based in part on documents that have probative value, it's factual. You either leave a forwarding address or you don't. In and of itself it means nothing. As an analyst, you must know it has to do with how all the components fit. Obviously, I'm not going to disclose our sources on the internet, as they may be hesitant to talk to us in the future, but some of the information did come from the newspapers, and also, I obviously saw some documents, spoke to people, etc...

Unlike the nuts who post negative things about me (I presume you are talking about Steve Fulop's mouthpieces), most of which are personal, I have nothing against this poor woman. All rape victims have my complete, heartfelt sympathy, including her, whom I have given the benefit of the doubt. BTW, as far as I know the nuts are completely clueless in regard to this matter, and most certainly have given me no information.

I gave this message much consideration before posting on this board, and decided Newport deserves to know all the facts, before we bring this matter to closure. I may have opened a pandora's box here, but I'm just passing on information that I believe is true.

Posted on: 2006/6/28 22:12
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Re: JERSEY CITY POLICE CHIEF TROY CALLING IT QUITS
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citybelt wrote:
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brewster wrote:

Someone recently told me the Journal is republican owned. Why aren't they all over this stuff like flies on sh*t? Are they afraid of the HCDO telling people to boycott them? The thread about plant theft had a reporter from the Star Ledger inquiring there. For heaven's sake a Pulitzer lurks in this story!! Hello......?


As for the Journal's ownership, it's the same as the Start Ledger, both owned by Advance Publications, which is SI Newhouse's (the New Yorker, etc.) media empire.

http://www.cjr.org/tools/owners/advance.asp

SI Newhouse is a classic American rags to riches story. Local boy makes good.
"Rosebud"


http://www.fundinguniverse.com/compan ... -Inc-Company-History.html

Posted on: 2006/6/28 19:51
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Re: JERSEY CITY POLICE CHIEF TROY CALLING IT QUITS
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brewster wrote:

Someone recently told me the Journal is republican owned. Why aren't they all over this stuff like flies on sh*t? Are they afraid of the HCDO telling people to boycott them? The thread about plant theft had a reporter from the Star Ledger inquiring there. For heaven's sake a Pulitzer lurks in this story!! Hello......?


As for the Journal's ownership, it's the same as the Start Ledger, both owned by Advance Publications, which is SI Newhouse's (the New Yorker, etc.) media empire.

http://www.cjr.org/tools/owners/advance.asp

Posted on: 2006/6/28 18:31
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Re: JERSEY CITY POLICE CHIEF TROY CALLING IT QUITS
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scooter wrote:
yeah, let's start a movement!


credit where credit's due... thanks, brewster


I suspect it would take a team of forensic accountants and some hundreds of thousands of dollars to unravel the web that is JC finances. Just the try to parse the complexity of the equation that city gets paid a chunk upfront and nets more via PILOTS versus being paid less by standard taxes but the schools get more and the properties can be reassessed. The former seems to benefit the current administration to the detriment of future budgets. But no one has proven it that I've heard.

Compared to that, dissecting a parking authority that can't generate enough revenue to cover it's salaries should be a slam dunk. My guess is no-show jobs and padded overtime.

Someone recently told me the Journal is republican owned. Why aren't they all over this stuff like flies on sh*t? Are they afraid of the HCDO telling people to boycott them? The thread about plant theft had a reporter from the Star Ledger inquiring there. For heaven's sake a Pulitzer lurks in this story!! Hello......?

Posted on: 2006/6/28 17:29
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Re: JERSEY CITY POLICE CHIEF TROY CALLING IT QUITS
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the new official jclist.com signature....

Posted on: 2006/6/28 17:22
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Re: Three 40-plus story towers on 110 and 111 First Street sites.
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As NNJR said, I'd like to know what you think is incorrect. I'm sure with some further detailed explanation I could make everything clearer.

PS. If you think I posted that because I care about 111 First st. Powerhouse Arts blah blah blah, then you are mistaken.

I don't care a fig what happens to those projects one way or the other. I just wanted to be helpful and explain something that many people don't understand.

I'm sure there are valid reasons why from a planning perspective many people don't like this project. The Jersey City Division of Planning is the right forum for those grievances. Like I said, I don't take a side in that argument because I have no emotional investment in it.

That said, there is no valid fiscal reason to oppose the city collecting more taxes from a developer than it would under ordinary taxation. Whether the project is a hated project (this condo) or a beloved one (like a hospital) if you reside in Jersey City you ought to at least be aware of the city's ability to take advantage of a financing mechanism for its own benefit.

Posted on: 2006/6/28 17:11
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Re: Three 40-plus story towers on 110 and 111 First Street sites.
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Quote:
1. Many of JCLAW's statements and conclusions are incorrect.



specifics please?

Posted on: 2006/6/28 16:26
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Re: Three 40-plus story towers on 110 and 111 First Street sites.
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1. Many of JCLAW's statements and conclusions are incorrect.
2. The abatement posts are buried in a thread about 111 First Street - Power House Arts District. A resolution will be voted on tonight.

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NNJR wrote:
...unfortunately your insightful posts are buried in a thread about disgruntled people against Goldamn.

It sounds like the people here that are against the abatements either a) do not know fully how they work or b) residents of other cities in Hudson county :)

Posted on: 2006/6/28 16:12
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Re: Redevelopment Pay-to-Play Ordinance
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Among the many other issues and happenings at the City Council meeting this evening, Civic JC will follow up on our request for the City Council to introduce the model Redevelopment Play to Play ordinance at this meeting.

Posted on: 2006/6/28 15:39
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Re: Three 40-plus story towers on 110 and 111 First Street sites.
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Thanks for the information JCLAW, unfortunately your insightful posts are buried in a thread about disgruntled people against Goldamn.

It sounds like the people here that are against the abatements either a) do not know fully how they work or b) residents of other cities in Hudson county :)

I wish there was a way to raise the efficiency of the local government by getting rid of some of these high paying no show jobs.

Posted on: 2006/6/28 14:58
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Re: JERSEY CITY POLICE CHIEF TROY CALLING IT QUITS
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SAME SHIT, DIFFERENT DAY !!!

TOO BAD..

CK

Posted on: 2006/6/28 14:53
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