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Re: We Will Remember! Pay to play voted down
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NONdowntown wrote:
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CapnJon wrote:
i agree that usually i agree with NON... but this time... well, i don't know... you have an issue with Fulop - for some reason - and accuse him of being dirty (basically) but yet you offer no backing to your arguement....



then again, it's a bulletin board, you don't have to!


I have no particular beef with Fulop, any more than I have with any other politician. I'm not even suggesting that he's inherently bad for his Ward or bad for Jersey City. It just seems that the Fulop love-fest around here almost never gets tempered by any counterpoint.

To me, the political advantageousness of the pay-to-play ordinance debacle seems glaringly obvious as long-term strategy for Fulop. To his credit, it's brilliant strategy, and if this board is any indicator, it just might work for him.

Until this episode, I had a more-favorable-than-usual impression of Councilman Fulop. As soon as that press release went out, my eyebrows raised up. For me, the jury is still out on his overall integrity and ambition, but it shocks me that around these parts, he's jesus and santa claus combined.

i think people should always question politicians' motives, and the hyper-defensive reactions i get when merely suggesting he could be using this issue to politicial advantage are shocking.


There is no Jesus or Moses in politics, the best everyone can hope for is that whoever we put into office not only thinks short term ideas but has enough mind to think about long term effects.

The nasty ?R? word is on my mind, IMO it's inevitable. That scares the heck out of me more then P2P.

My money is on Mia or Geoff to guess the ?R? word??

Note: Had a few PM's with ??? when I forgot to qoute... so for those who were confused with the opening line, I re-posted.

Posted on: 2007/1/25 11:49
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Re: JC Cop in DWI Accident is also the Mayor's cousin
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How can we expect our residents to uphold the law when we've got buffoons like this one who are supposed to enforce them?

Isn't there some sort of three-strikes-and-you're-out program for cops? Or, in this jackass' case, ten strikes?

Posted on: 2007/1/25 5:56
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TODAY, Thur, Jan 25! Hope some of you can help us out. 10 AM -6:30PM and sickie me and 3 others throughout the day are there to provide clothes, voter registration and could use any last minute vounteer help at any time, for any length of time! ProjectHomelessConnectJan252006 Good morning everyone: 1) Continue to get the word out about PHC Event to your clients and local community. 2) Continue to gather volunteers to participate during PIT Count and PHC Event. 3) Encourage volunteers to assist with setup at PHC Event in the JC Armory at 9:00 AM, 1/25. We need to setup as quickly as possible. 4) No food or drinks will be allowed in the Armory. 5) Dress comfortable for PHC Event; remember that the Armory flooring is used for indoor track and field events. I would recommend putting on sneakers. 6) Volunteers for the Night PIT Count 7:00 PM - 11:59 PM for Unsheltered Location should go to the American Red Cross of Hudson County: American Red Cross of Hudson County 53 Mill Road Jersey City, NJ 201-822-3600 7) Please make sure that you advise volunteers to bundle up during the night count because it appears that we are going to have a cold and windy evening. If you have any questions, please feel free to call me 201-795-6493. Thanks Jacob

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JC Cop in DWI Accident is also the Mayor's cousin
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Is it possible to launch a recall vote on Healy?? Enough is enough.


Jersey City cop charged with DWI after accident
Eyewitness News
(Jersey City - WABC, January 24, 2007) - An off-duty Jersey City cop was charged with DWI after a car accident that critically injured a woman and her toddler.

Police say Officer Kevin Freibott was drunk when he crashed his vehicle Tuesday night around 11 p.m.
Ruth Zelaya and her 2-year-old son were injured in the wreck. Zelaya was admitted to the intensive care unit of Jersey City Medical Center. The child was being treated at University Hospital.

Authorities say the accident is being investigated by the police department's accident investigation and internal affairs units and the Hudson County Prosecutor's Office.

The crash was reportedly not the first time Freibott has been in trouble over a traffic accident.

Officials say he was fired from the Middletown Township Police Department in 2001 after a minor accident outside an Atlantic Highlands tavern for failure to have a valid driver's license. Freibott was later reinstated by the state Merit System Board.

Freibott's driving record includes three license suspensions. The first came in 1988 for DWI, the second when he failed to attend a drunk driving program and the third for failing to pay fines. He's had six violations from 1986 to 2001 that include careless driving, speeding and driving without a license. Also, the Department of Motor Vehicles has his name tied to at least seven accidents. Freibott has been suspended without pay.

Freibott is a second cousin of Jersey City Mayor Jerramiah Healy, two city sources confirmed.

Friebott came on to the Jersey City force through a hiring technique called a "lateral transfer," which allows police officers to jump from one town to another without losing their time in the pension and civil service programs, according to Healy's spokeswoman, Maria Pignataro.

Police officers must apply for a lateral transfer, which must be approved by their home department. The recieving department, in this case Jersey City, can arbitrally pick its officer from the list applicants without regard to civil service exams and other measures.

Pignataro said Friebott was hired at a time when the department was low on officers, adding that the mayor "pulled no strings in getting Kevin on the force."

(Copyright 2007 WABC-TV)

Posted on: 2007/1/25 4:44
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Re: We Will Remember! Pay to play voted down
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r_pinkowitz wrote:
The nasty ?R? word is on my mind, IMO it's inevitable. That scares the heck out of me more then P2P.

My money is on Mia or Geoff to guess the ?R? word??




Praytell, what is the R word?

Posted on: 2007/1/25 4:34
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Considering enrolling my son at the Baby Einstein Learning Center in the heights and would like feedback from anyone who had had any experinces with them. It seems awesome just wanting to make sure that it is not too good to be true. Especially since the price that I was quoted is almost as much as the River School.

Posted on: 2007/1/25 4:21
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Re: We Will Remember! Pay to play voted down
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There is no Jesus or Moses, the best everyone can hope for is that whoever we put into office not only thinks short term ideas but has enough mind to think about long term effects.

The nasty ?R? word is on my mind, IMO it's inevitable. That scares the heck out of me more then P2P.

My money is on Mia or Geoff to guess the ?R? word??

Posted on: 2007/1/25 4:05
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Re: We Will Remember! Pay to play voted down
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parkman wrote:
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NONdowntown wrote:
Self-proclaimed, baby. I'll take being a miserable cynic over a content fool anyday.
If you are insinuating:
Content- absolutely not.
Fool- a bit presumptuous, without full knowledge.


presumptuous? from the guy who presumed i was a woman and got prickly when he was called on it?

and i never said i was refering to you.

Posted on: 2007/1/25 3:57
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Re: We Will Remember! Pay to play voted down
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CapnJon wrote:
i agree that usually i agree with NON... but this time... well, i don't know... you have an issue with Fulop - for some reason - and accuse him of being dirty (basically) but yet you offer no backing to your arguement....



then again, it's a bulletin board, you don't have to!


I have no particular beef with Fulop, any more than I have with any other politician. I'm not even suggesting that he's inherently bad for his Ward or bad for Jersey City. It just seems that the Fulop love-fest around here almost never gets tempered by any counterpoint.

To me, the political advantageousness of the pay-to-play ordinance debacle seems glaringly obvious as long-term strategy for Fulop. To his credit, it's brilliant strategy, and if this board is any indicator, it just might work for him.

Until this episode, I had a more-favorable-than-usual impression of Councilman Fulop. As soon as that press release went out, my eyebrows raised up. For me, the jury is still out on his overall integrity and ambition, but it shocks me that around these parts, he's jesus and santa claus combined.

i think people should always question politicians' motives, and the hyper-defensive reactions i get when merely suggesting he could be using this issue to politicial advantage are shocking.

Posted on: 2007/1/25 3:54
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Re: We Will Remember! Pay to play voted down
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NONdowntown wrote:
Self-proclaimed, baby. I'll take being a miserable cynic over a content fool anyday.
If you are insinuating:
Content- absolutely not.
Fool- a bit presumptuous, without full knowledge.

Posted on: 2007/1/25 3:50
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Re: We Will Remember! Pay to play voted down
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i agree that usually i agree with NON... but this time... well, i don't know... you have an issue with Fulop - for some reason - and accuse him of being dirty (basically) but yet you offer no backing to your arguement....



then again, it's a bulletin board, you don't have to!

Posted on: 2007/1/25 3:42
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Re: We Will Remember! Pay to play voted down
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Self-proclaimed, baby. I'll take being a miserable cynic over a content fool anyday.

Posted on: 2007/1/25 3:37
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Re: We Will Remember! Pay to play voted down
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NONdowntown wrote:
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parkman wrote:
some times a cigar is just a cigar.


and sometimes a politician is just a politician.
And sometimes, a cynic is just a cynic.

Posted on: 2007/1/25 3:34
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Re: We Will Remember! Pay to play voted down
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parkman wrote:
some times a cigar is just a cigar.


and sometimes a politician is just a politician.

Posted on: 2007/1/25 3:26
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Re: We Will Remember! Pay to play voted down
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NONdowntown wrote:
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So, in the end, he gets to be the hero/martyr for going out on a "limb" and raising the people's cause which he knew wouldn't pass, (and getting plenty of PR for it), yet he still gets to accept campaign contributions from developers for his future political battles.


Well played, Councilman. Well played. You'll fit in here juuuuust fine.
Most of the time I agree with your assessments and point of view, however you tend to perceive well-meaning individuals as ?hero/martyrs? and imply that their motivations come from other than just doing what they feel is right; one can actually be motivated by other internal drives. You don?t always have to take on the mantle of cynic; some times a cigar is just a cigar.

Posted on: 2007/1/25 3:23
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Re: We Will Remember! Pay to play voted down
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EthanCrane wrote:
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NONdowntown wrote:
I can't help but think this outcome wasn't entirely unforeseen by Councilman Fulop. And that the objective wasn't as much to pass the proposed ordinance, but to martyr himself and deposit the PR from this into the campaign bank. He's smart enough to know that introducing the ordinance as confrontationally and combatively as he did was going to doom its chances of passing among his fellow councilpersons.

So, in the end, he gets to be the hero/martyr for going out on a "limb" and raising the people's cause which he knew wouldn't pass, (and getting plenty of PR for it), yet he still gets to accept campaign contributions from developers for his future political battles.

He'll be putting his money where his mouth is if he refuses to accept political campaign contributions from developers on principle, despite the failure of this ordinance. Then i'll give him some credit.

Well played, Councilman. Well played. You'll fit in here juuuuust fine.


Jeez, give Fulop a little credit. Maybe he didn't think it would pass, but he made those other council members answer for themselves publicly. I think that's worth it, if nothing else.


I'm reluctant to give *any* politician even a little credit.

i'd be less reluctant to cut Fulop some slack if his hands were "clean" when it came to developer political contributions. But they're not.

i'd also give Fulop some credit if he had engaged the corporation counsel's office in drafting and introducing legislation, and worked with the council in a spirit of co-operation. I think this could have been handled much more gracefully, but Fulop came out swinging.

You're right, Ethan: Fulop made the councilpeople look bad. Congratulations to him for achieving his objective. Had his objective been to actually reform the practice of pay-to-play in this town, and had he conducted his bahavior surrounding this ordinance in accord with genuinely trying to achieve that objective, maybe the outcome would have been different. we'll never know. but you can bet your ass this 'defeat' will be at the center of the Fulop Mayoral campaign.

sad as it may be, politicians are guilty until proven innocent in my book. i grew up in this town, and i've witnessed enough in my lifetime. and i distrust local, home-grown politicians just as much as i do the nouveau transplanted ones. I'm an equal opportunity skeptic.

mark my words in the above-referenced post come the next mayoral election cycle.

Posted on: 2007/1/25 3:20
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Re: We Will Remember! Pay to play voted down
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NONdowntown wrote:
I can't help but think this outcome wasn't entirely unforeseen by Councilman Fulop. And that the objective wasn't as much to pass the proposed ordinance, but to martyr himself and deposit the PR from this into the campaign bank. He's smart enough to know that introducing the ordinance as confrontationally and combatively as he did was going to doom its chances of passing among his fellow councilpersons.

So, in the end, he gets to be the hero/martyr for going out on a "limb" and raising the people's cause which he knew wouldn't pass, (and getting plenty of PR for it), yet he still gets to accept campaign contributions from developers for his future political battles.

He'll be putting his money where his mouth is if he refuses to accept political campaign contributions from developers on principle, despite the failure of this ordinance. Then i'll give him some credit.

Well played, Councilman. Well played. You'll fit in here juuuuust fine.


Jeez, give Fulop a little credit. Maybe he didn't think it would pass, but he made those other council members answer for themselves publicly. I think that's worth it, if nothing else.

Posted on: 2007/1/25 3:05
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Re: Developer Pay-to-Play Press Release- Steven Fulop
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JCLAW wrote:
"and one abstinence (Vega)"

guess who's running for mayor


STEVE FULOP!

(okay, what do i win?)

Posted on: 2007/1/25 2:37
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Re: We Will Remember! Pay to play voted down
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Peasants get just a little? shit our neighborhood hasn't seen any. I'd like to know where these peasants are because we here, around Communipaw Ave would like to meet these peasants that are worse off?

A transcript of the meeting should be given to every media outlet in the country.

Posted on: 2007/1/25 2:28
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Re: We Will Remember! Pay to play voted down
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I can't help but think this outcome wasn't entirely unforeseen by Councilman Fulop. And that the objective wasn't as much to pass the proposed ordinance, but to martyr himself and deposit the PR from this into the campaign bank. He's smart enough to know that introducing the ordinance as confrontationally and combatively as he did was going to doom its chances of passing among his fellow councilpersons.

So, in the end, he gets to be the hero/martyr for going out on a "limb" and raising the people's cause which he knew wouldn't pass, (and getting plenty of PR for it), yet he still gets to accept campaign contributions from developers for his future political battles.

He'll be putting his money where his mouth is if he refuses to accept political campaign contributions from developers on principle, despite the failure of this ordinance. Then i'll give him some credit.

Well played, Councilman. Well played. You'll fit in here juuuuust fine.

Posted on: 2007/1/25 2:27
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Re: Fulop: Vega and Lipski rake in developer $$$
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NONdowntown wrote:
NNJR - i think you're almost right - as i understand it, the developer would be barred from making donations for a minimum of one year from selection as designated developer, and throughout the entire period of the development project.

somebody tell me if i've got it right:

if i am joe q. lefrak, and i want to be a designated developer, i cannot have made a contribution within 1 year of that consideration. If i am selected, i am then forbidden from making any political contributions throughout the life-span of the development project (let's say 18-36 months for an average project).

Then, if i want to still be eligible for consideration for being a designated developer, i must keep my hands 'clean', i.e. i am forbidden from making a contribution within a year. rinse and repeat.

do i have it right? anybody?


Yes, you got it. And to sum up Lipski and Brennan's "concern": it would unfairly gum up the developer's works, thus stalling all the fabulous money trickling down so adequately to the citizens of JC.

Posted on: 2007/1/25 2:24
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Re: Fulop: Vega and Lipski rake in developer $$$
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Having fairly recently gotten involved with neighborhood meetings and with zoning/building issues, I have to report that Lipski shocks me. It's not what he says, it's what he doesn't. When I asked straight up why there probably isn't a developer in the entire Heights that complies with zoning and building ordinances, he doesn't respond. As in, total silent treatment.

I say this with real indignation: I just don't understand how these guys get away with what they do.

Posted on: 2007/1/25 2:23
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Re: Developer Pay-to-Play Press Release- Steven Fulop
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"and one abstinence (Vega)"

guess who's running for mayor

Posted on: 2007/1/25 2:21
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Re: We Will Remember! Pay to play voted down
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What a pathetic group of elected puppets.
At least they had to do the dirty work in front of a crowd.

How about this for an excuse,it went like this.
Council crook "i just get so many requests for money from the peasants of this city so i take the money from the developers so i can give a little to the peasants"

An out and out F__cking Disgrace.

Posted on: 2007/1/25 2:19
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Re: We Will Remember! Pay to play voted down
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To get change, someone needs to bring attention to the public just how important this issue is. It is apparent just by some comments on this board that not everyone knows exactly what this ordinance would mean.

Then, when the next election comes up we bring up this issue again and slam the incumbent.

Posted on: 2007/1/25 1:36
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Re: We Will Remember! Pay to play voted down
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The Jersey City Council Circus were a bunch of pagliacis at their best this evening.

Brennan was a sight to behold when he cast a cheap shot against Fulop. If the man can't act appropriately when he's sitting on the council bench with citizens watching, then how does he expect people to believe he will act ethically when no one is looking and there's money on the table.

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Like: "I get all these requests for money from the community...this is how I am able to give money to these requests...from the developers." Not make any sense to you? Me either. I thought money going to campaigns needed to be for campaigns.


Sense? Sounds like a desperate attempt to to hang on to the money. The old...If I don't get it, then neither will you excuse.

Why don't the developers give directly to the community some which have filed lawsuit or intimidation against organizations.

I thought the same, that all this money was needed for the campaign.


Bought and paid for.

Posted on: 2007/1/25 1:35

Edited by DeltaFox on 2007/1/25 1:51:03
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Re: We Will Remember! Pay to play voted down
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fasteddie wrote:
Well duh, of course it's going to be voted down by the very people who are the receiving the contributions.


What a disgrace!

Hudson County is known the world over for the corrupt state of politics - a long line of indictments and convictions stand as testament to the sorry state of affairs.

But, what is truly shocking is that the council knew that a vote was coming (and that the public would be watching), and yet it is like they didn?t even prepare to come up with a suitable line of BS.

Its not the fact that it got voted down, it was HOW it got voted down. I suppose I was hoping for a close vote ? it wasn?t close. Shame on the city council.

-M

Posted on: 2007/1/25 1:17

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Re: We Will Remember! Pay to play voted down
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Well duh, of course it's going to be voted down by the very people who are the receiving the contributions. This, or something similar, was put to public referendum in Hoboken a few years ago and passed. Can this be a referendum question in the next JC election?
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Posted on: 2007/1/25 0:51
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Re: We Will Remember! Pay to play voted down
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shit happens - the idea was good, but it sounds to me it was a 'corporate' decision not a governance one.

Posted on: 2007/1/25 0:26
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Re: We Will Remember! Pay to play voted down
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Not surprising, did they even team up and have one or two vote yay to make it look good?

Posted on: 2007/1/25 0:18
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