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Re: Flood Insurance.......Do You Need It ?
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You guys are so screwed when a hurricane hits Jersey City. The New York Bay and hudson river is a right angle, which will amplify a storm surge, not to mention when the surge causes the hudson to back up temporarily. In addition to that, a hurricane spins in a counterclockwise direction, which means that Jersey City will take the brunt of the surge. Maybe it is 5 feet, maybe 35 feet, either way, anything less than 50 feet above sea level is in danger.


Yeah yeah yeah... we all saw "The Day After Tomorrow" We live on 5th and are required to have flood insurance.... we used to live on West Hamilton and were not.... but if you ever walk down Coles st. you notice there's not much of a change in altitude. Politics. That's the answer to all questions.

Mark.

Posted on: 2006/3/7 19:51
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Re: Jersey City Guardian Angels announce Public Meeting on Safety and Security: ‘Dare to Care’
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Are the petit-bourgeois the same as the regular bourgeois only shorter?

Posted on: 2006/3/7 19:13
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Re: Flood Insurance.......Do You Need It ?
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You guys are so screwed when a hurricane hits Jersey City. The New York Bay and hudson river is a right angle, which will amplify a storm surge, not to mention when the surge causes the hudson to back up temporarily. In addition to that, a hurricane spins in a counterclockwise direction, which means that Jersey City will take the brunt of the surge. Maybe it is 5 feet, maybe 35 feet, either way, anything less than 50 feet above sea level is in danger.

Posted on: 2006/3/7 19:12
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Re: Jersey City Guardian Angels announce Public Meeting on Safety and Security: ‘Dare to Care’
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I really hope the Guardian Angels will go somewhere else besides downtown. We all know that other neighborhoods, like west side avenue, for example, need the guardian angels more than downtown.
I also think there is a sick classist and racist undertone to all of this talk about "cracking down on quality of life crimes". When working people want to have some fun you call it "a quality of life crime", when the petit-bourgeois and the bourgeois do it it's called called "nightlife".
The true aim of the "quality of life" laws is the criminalization and disenfranchisment of working people, especially African-Americans. The "broken windows" theory has been called into doubt, check this out:

Illusion of Order: The False Promise of Broken Windows Policing
by Bernard Harcourt (Harvard University Press, 2001. 288 pp.)


Posted on: 2006/3/7 19:07
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Re: Flood Insurance.......Do You Need It ?
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What insurance agencies do you use to get flood insurance for downtown, especially Paulus Hook? Does the premium vary or is it a standard price? Does the governemt set the price or does the insurance company set the price? What insurance company do you recommend for flood insurance?

I have a condo on the fourth floor. My mortgage company requires me to have flood insurance. I just want to know what insurance agencies and insurance companies you guys use. I do not want to debate whether I need it or not.

Thank you in advance.

Posted on: 2006/3/7 19:02
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Re: Jersey City Guardian Angels announce Public Meeting on Safety and Security: ‘Dare to Care’
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I don't know exactly how it is done but you might try the NY TV news WCBS, etc. They seem to be more than willing to cover JC lately. Might even like it as a tie in to the Gotti/Sliwa trial coverage and/or Times article.

Posted on: 2006/3/7 16:56
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Re: Jersey City Guardian Angels announce Public Meeting on Safety and Security: ‘Dare to Care’
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Minnie wrote:
Somebody should submit it to the Jersey Journal and the Hudson Reporter so it's well saturated throughtout the area.

And the neighborhood groups should help get the word out.


Spoke to Jason Fink (City Editor) at Jersey Journal this afternoon and he is sending reporter and photographer to cover mtg. that night. Sent email to others to announce mtg. in calendar, etc.

Pchops also spoke to the Hudson Reporter this morning

If you know of specific media please forward.

BTW, Minnie,you were sent these docs as well. Please post, email and blog like dojo-mojo if you can. Thanks!

Posted on: 2006/3/7 15:31
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Re: Amid the Glitter, JC's Growing Pains
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I liked this stat- Puts light on the repeated administation and PD statement that "all urban areas are experiencing a surge in crime"

"According to F.B.I. statistics compiled for the first six months of 2005, violent crime rose 10 percent in the city — including increases in robbery, burglary and larceny. By way of comparison, Newark's violent crime rate dropped 4 percent in the same period"

Also- Touting the gun buyback- Anyone remember Healy saying, "it's largely symbolic and doesn't effect crime" or something to that effect? Now it's a big "initiative" to tout in the NYT.

More stats if anyone is interested. Will be interesting to see what the full year 05 numbers look like. I think we can all guess.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/2005prelim/table2.htm

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/2005prelim/tables/05northeast.xls

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/2005prelim/table4.htm#gl

http://jerseycity.areaconnect.com/cri ... ity&s1=NJ&c2=newark&s2=NJ

http://jerseycity.areaconnect.com/cri ... y&s1=NJ&c2=paterson&s2=NJ

http://jerseycity.areaconnect.com/cri ... ty&s1=NJ&c2=compton&s2=CA

http://jerseycity.areaconnect.com/cri ... y&s1=NJ&c2=new+york&s2=NY

http://jerseycity.areaconnect.com/cri ... s1=NJ&c2=Union+City&s2=NJ

http://jerseycity.areaconnect.com/cri ... ty&s1=NJ&c2=bayonne&s2=NJ

http://jerseycity.areaconnect.com/cri ... ty&s1=NJ&c2=hoboken&s2=NJ

http://jerseycity.areaconnect.com/cri ... &s1=NJ&c2=ELIZABETH&s2=NJ

http://jerseycity.areaconnect.com/cri ... ity&s1=NJ&c2=KEARNY&s2=NJ

http://www.state.nj.us/lps/njsp/info/stats.html#cit

GWB

Posted on: 2006/3/7 13:24
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Re: Another reason for Troy to resign! Corruption in the police Dept
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From today's JJ. When Troy was on vacation he appointed Comey to fill in as chief. Comey used the opportunity to promote an officer currently under investigation by the Hudson County Prosecutor's Office. The police dept is getting too top heavy. We need more cops on the streets, and if you are to believe merits of the recent lawsuits - no more promotions based on politics:

Officer boosted to sergeant by top cop's fill-in
Tuesday, March 07, 2006
By JARRETT RENSHAW
JOURNAL STAFF WRITER
Lt. Tom Comey served less than 48 hours as acting police chief, but he managed to leave a mark.

Once in charge, Comey promoted Police Officer Joe Olszewski to sergeant, a move Chief Robert Troy appeared reluctant to do himself in recent months. Troy left for vacation Thursday and picked Comey as the acting chief.

Troy has said he passed over Olszewski in the most recent round of promotions due to an investigation by the Hudson County Prosecutor's Office into his alleged illegal use of the department's computers.

However, critics argued the snub had more to do with politics.

Olszewski served as chief of staff to former Assemblyman and Bayonne City Councilman Anthony Chiappone, an opponent of Bayonne Mayor and state Sen. Joseph V. Doria Jr. and the rest of the Hudson County Democratic Organization.

His wife is former Jersey City Corporation Counsel Karen DeSoto, who ran unsuccessfully against Michael Sottolano - an ally of Mayor Jerramiah Healy - in the Ward A City Council race last year.

Posted on: 2006/3/7 10:25
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Re: Amid the Glitter, JC's Growing Pains
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Quote:

Damian wrote:

WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION TOO!!!!!. If there is a mugging, noise complaints, trash that is unacceptable just keep on calling, call city hall, call the police, call your councelman/woman, call the ABC. The more we make ourselves a pain in the a!! for the city the more they have to listen. It may sound redundant but all our voices will translate into votes come election time. That will get people to listen.

Don't forget, this is "OUR CITY" and we should take that attitude. Unacceptable behaviour will not be tolerated.

Works in places like Hoboken and should work here.



And, I'd like to add that people need to register to vote, and make the effort to get out to the polls. I'll bet there are quite a few folks here on JC List that didn't vote in the last election and/or are not even registered to vote.

Politicians are concerned about what it takes to win.... so if you want to send City Hall a message... I can think of no better way to do it then to have increased voter turnout in the Downtown wards. I can't remember the statistics from the last election (in May) but it was small peanuts. In fact, more people in Ward E voted for the dog run in Van Vorst Park then came to vote during the election.

You can't expect to be taken seriously just by complaining on the phone or on a message board. Let it be seen by the increase in downtown registered voters and the sheer numbers that turn up at the polls that our complaints will pack a harder punch come election time.

Truthfully, I think they laugh at our complants because they know we're too lazy to vote. Downtowners need to get off their "I'm too busy" butts and get registered, and make the effort to vote.

BTW - yesterday, some people in my midtown office said they saw the NY Times article. They brought it to my attention, thinking I may not have seen it. So people are reading it.

Posted on: 2006/3/7 7:34
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Re: The light rail is fantastic!
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With the opening a couple of weeks ago, the Light Rail now has two stops after Port Imperial. Bergenline Avenue, in Union City, and Tonnelle Avenue, in North Bergen. The Bergenline Avenue will be an INCREDIBLY busy stop. It is right in the middle of a huge population density. Right now, it's the only underground stop in the system. Very nice looking.

North Bergen, I think they are looking at more as a Park and Ride.

I think Picses was referring not to the stop in North Bergen, the city, but the Northern part of Bergen County.

I think that's definitely the smart way to go, but Hudson County politicos have been lobbying for the Xanadu extension. This is less about Xanadu itself than it is to help developers in Secaucus, who want to increase their property values with the promise of Light Rail transit. The stops between North Bergen and Xanadu would service residential areas.

When the Bergen Arches study was being done, the transportation planner I spoke with said that he thought Light Rail could go through the Arches to Secaucus Junction, with stops at a Route 3 Park and Ride, Harmon Cove, and the Meadowlands.

New Jersey Transit is now pushing "Diesel Multiple Units" heavy rail for a route between Tenafly and North Bergen. This is easier for a couple of reasons. 1) It avoids the up front capital cost for electrification, 2) At least part of the Northern Branch is on freight rail right of way. FRA regulations prevent Light Rail and Freight Rail running at the same time, so NJT would have to negotiate with the freight company (I think CSX) as to when the line could run. This is not the best arrangement, but it is being done with the River Line in South Jersey.

Part of the blame lays with Bergen County officials, who have just not been aggressive in lobbying for Light Rail. NJT has also dazzled them with promises of an eventual one seat ride to Manhattan when the new tunnel under the Hudson is built (color me skeptical).

The Meadowlands route will be slightly redundant, since NJT is now building a spur of the Pascack Valley line to reach the Meadowlands by heavy rail. Also, you can be assured that the Nets, Devils, and Metrostars will be long gone before any rail extension gets there. Having said all that, there are some benefits to having another transit option to the Meadowlands. But the Northern Branch is clearly the optimal route.

Joshua

Posted on: 2006/3/6 22:53
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Re: Amid the Glitter, JC's Growing Pains
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The crime and safety issue is a concern and has got worse in the past 18 months. In 2001 I could leave my door open on second street, run errands, come back and everything would be there. Not over the past 12 months. I heard about 3 muggings (or attempted at least) in the past 12 months but none from 2001 thru 2004. Something needs to be done. The JCPD have limited resources and City Hall will protray facts and figures any way they want to see it.

WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION TOO!!!!!. If there is a mugging, noise complaints, trash that is unacceptable just keep on calling, call city hall, call the police, call your councelman/woman, call the ABC. The more we make ourselves a pain in the a!! for the city the more they have to listen. It may sound redundant but all our voices will translate into votes come election time. That will get people to listen.

Don't forget, this is "OUR CITY" and we should take that attitude. Unacceptable behaviour will not be tolerated.

Works in places like Hoboken and should work here.

Posted on: 2006/3/6 20:38
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Re: The light rail is fantastic!
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Yeah, I am ashamed that they are re-routing the light rail to the Meadowlands for the Xandu project, instead of going to densly populated North Bergen, where it is needed.
The Xandu project is another waste of money like the seacucaus junction, it will be isolated from residential and commercial areas, and will service what is essentially a glorified theme park.


It will also service the new Giants/Jets Stadium. The Nets, Metrostars and Devils (while they are still at this location). Also it will service the many events such as concerts and other such things that go on at the Meadowlands. They need a light rail connection and other train connections to the Meadowlands, it is about time in my opinion. I believe it is going to stop in North Bergan also. It would most likely be the next stop after Port Imperial in Weehawken.

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Re: The light rail is fantastic!
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Yeah, I am ashamed that they are re-routing the light rail to the Meadowlands for the Xandu project, instead of going to densly populated North Bergen, where it is needed.
The Xandu project is another waste of money like the seacucaus junction, it will be isolated from residential and commercial areas, and will service what is essentially a glorified theme park.

Posted on: 2006/3/6 15:31
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Re: Jersey City Guardian Angels announce Public Meeting on Safety and Security: ‘Dare to Care’
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Great news!

Council President Mariano Vega, Jr. has accepted our invitation to speak at the Jersey City Guardian Angels public meeting, along with his wife, Sonia Vega, who was mugged at the corner of Manila Avenue and Second Street.

We hope that everyone in Jersey City, but especially downtown, will show up who are concerned about issues of safety, security and prevention of criminality.

All of us JCListers who complain about these issues are particularly welcome for this open discussion with the Jersey City Guardian Angels, and special guests, Council President Mariano Vega, Jr., his wife Sonia Vega and Aide Gregory Malave.

See you there!

Posted on: 2006/3/6 13:47
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Re: The light rail is fantastic!
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Oh please. I've regularly taken the light rail, at all hours. I've never had a problem. I've gotten on and off at the Newport Mall stop with plenty of those "kids" coming out of the mall.

In terms of future expansion? It looks set to extend south to 8th St. in Bayonne. There has been a lot of discussion and controversy over where the next expansion will be.

In 1999 or so, there was a proposal to send the light rail from Tonnelle Avenue to the Park and Ride at the Vince Lombardi Rest Stop in Ridgefield. Then talk centered around the "Northern Branch" which would send the light rail to Leonia, Englewood, and other town in the Northeast of Bergen County, terminating at Tenafly.

Now, there is more talk of sending the light rail west to Secaucus and eventually winding up at the Meadowlands Complex to serve the new Xanadu project.

Joshua

Posted on: 2006/3/6 13:20
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Re: Amid the Glitter, JC's Growing Pains
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What is amazing to me is you can go days without seeing a cop down here if you don't pass by the grove street path station. Literally days!

Posted on: 2006/3/6 12:59
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Re: Amid the Glitter, JC's Growing Pains
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Yes, being aware of one's environment is key, here or anywhere.
(But of course I am the first to break my own rules and to
just wander around, head in the clouds, thinking about
anything other than where I am and what I'm doing.)
Keeping out of daydream mode is crucial in the urban
streetscape.

The Times story on downtown and crime seems
to me right on target, though I no longer keep 100%
up on the latest stats. The business about the mothers
and old ladies being hassled is sad and a bit sick.

But just as sad and sick, I feel, is the police dept.'s
apparent disinterest and also their perfunctory reaction to
street and property crime. What the dept. excels
at is taking reports, but we could hire low-wage
stenos to take reports. What we need is street
policing and crime prevention/deterrent --BEFORE
the crime, rather than after the crime, which is
what we have now.
We need an aggressive police presence that is not
wary of offending the fragile sensibilities of perps.
Politically correct cops belong in some place like
Oslo, where they do not have crime. Whereas in downtown
JC, we need cops who have the stones to
do their jobs and not worry about what class action law-
suits might result from their having done their jobs.
Until there is a fundamental change in the
philosophy of policing here, chit-chat about
politicos and councilpeople and age-old
animosities and blood feuds and nepotistic charades are just
that -- chit chat over tepid tea.
Meanwhile, downtown, people come and go, and they
are not speaking of Michelangelo -- they're
saying, "Thank God we got out of there in one piece."

Posted on: 2006/3/6 12:53
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Re: The light rail is fantastic!
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Do not get on that thing at night. You will not live to tell of the experience.
The kids coming out of the mall and jumping on that
thing and wilding to their hearts content will eat you alive.
Even armed cops won't go near the light rail after dark.
Forewarned is forearmed.

Posted on: 2006/3/6 12:27
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I took it to tonnelle Avenue yesterday and I was surpsried at the number of peolple taking it. I think they should expand it further and add more stops for people who live nearby in order to make sit easier for them. I'm thinking of near the Holland tunnel area [in no man's land] and near pacific Avenue near that new development [which looks nice, btw].

Also, i think they should expand it to elizabeth so that it eventually links up with the newark-elizabeth light rail and the plane.

Posted on: 2006/3/6 12:07
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Re: Taxes and Cops
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credit where due: top of my last post was a quote from citizen's post that i didn't post properly.

Posted on: 2006/3/6 11:21
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Re: Taxes and Cops
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I took away from the article and some of the posts, that while crime generally is the same as 5/10 years ago, most expect it to improve as revialization continues and real estate prices have sky rocketed, but it has not.>>

I agree with DanL's interpretation.

When people are paying $500/sq ft (and up) downtown and on the waterfront, they believe they deserve security -- and when they pay $5k, $10k or higher in property taxes they definitely are convinced they deserve a responsive govt.

To me...the recent events don't say too much about crime but they say much more about perceptions of crime and the inability of this administration to manage the situation.

But I take hope in this: last year residents of downtown elected Steve Fulop who fought the machine and the machine lost.

I am convinced that if an alternative, energetic candidate had emerged in JSQ he/she could have beaten Lipski (and Jimmy King is not that candidate; besides, he lost).

Little by little the machine is losing power, as new residents move in and actually demand a responsive govt (and who don't want patronage jobs).

Posted on: 2006/3/6 11:10
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Re: Taxes and Cops
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However, in addition to policing, the administration needs to address quality of life issues. It was definitively established by Wilson in his Broken Window study that a laissez faire attitide to quality of life issues, e.g. trash, public urination, homeless, lead to petty crime (street sales of CDS), to big crime murder and mahem). Things went down hill in this area under Cunningham. The excuse I heard was that he had focused on previously neglected neighborhoods and that focus had flushed some of the problems in to downtown. I doubt that. I just think it was an unresponsive administration that did not buy the "Broken window approach" or the idea that the reform of the JCPD had to continue.

Having lived in other places for a long time I can tell you that this is huge part of the problem with the old boy's network and cronies over here. They find it so hard to change. The things discussed above work. We need a few hundred more cops and the discipline to follow the "Broken Windows." theory.





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Another Good Letter about JC Fiscal Problems
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Here is another good letter about JC fiscal problems-


Vega Avoids Taking Blame


IN YOUR OPINION
Monday, March 06, 2006

Vega avoids taking blame

This letter is in response to Mariano Vega's letter. Mr. Vega responded to comments made by the Jimmy King's Civic Association.

Councilman Vega's letter tries to justify the tax increase as though city government has no control over certain costs. For instance, he lists $13 million increase in debt service and $6 million increase in the cost of pensions. Why didn't Mr. Vega include the cost of the police promotions? That is a budget line item that the city could control. I believe those promotions were made so retiring officers could enjoy higher pensions. Let's not forget Mayor Healy said 190 officers are retiring this year.

The pensions cost is not a surprise. All municipal and county governments expected that increase. It was a budget gimmick by former Gov. Whitman. Prudent governments put money aside for the expected increase.

Then Councilman Vega states that the City Council is able to find a way to restructure the city's debt service. Again, this is not a new item. How many times has Mr. Vega voted to refinance the city's debt? The debt has been refinanced so many times that it has lost its tax-exempt status.

Vega states Jersey City will receive additional revenue through prepayments of taxes from Gold Coast developers. That is a fancy way of saying the city will allow developers to prepay their tax abatement bill this year; however, that means next year the city will not receive any revenue! Our city has been practicing this gimmick for years - a reason for unstable taxes every year.

Next, the councilman comments on the water bill. He states he is not happy with the increases, but users must keep up with rising cost. He failed to say that we, not United Water, have bonded tens of millions to improve the water system. The bonds are paid for by taxpayers, not United Water. If the public is paying for the improvements as higher taxes in the form of bond indebtedness, then why are we paying higher water bills?

Many Hudson municipalities are plagued with high taxes. They must pay three budgets: county, municipal and board of education. Ironically, Jersey City should be one of the lowest tax municipalities because it only pays 13 percent of the school board cost which has been fixed for 17 years. Neighboring Hoboken and Bayonne pay 63 and 54 percent, respectively, of their schools' cost.

So why are taxes higher? Because our city government has continued to give tax abatements. Abatements are not ratables, they are contracts. Only ratables can stabilize the tax rate.

YVONNE BALCER

Posted on: 2006/3/6 10:06
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Re: Taxes and Cops
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This post is very well pointed and I believe accurately puts the "slipping back" at the feet of the Cunningham Administration.

I took away from the article and some of the posts, that while crime generally is the same as 5/10 years ago, most expect it to improve as revialization continues and real estate prices have sky rocketed, but it has not.

Mayor Healy ran on the platform of reducing crime. Given that, he via his appointments should articulate a comprehensive plan to address public safety. Chief Troy referred to a plan in the article and asked for time to see the results. First step is to share the plan with the public.

Over the weekend, a credible person mentioned to me that the Fire Department had just hired 30 new recruits inorder to get down the hiring list to the Mayor's son. This is a fundemental obstacle and needs to be put out into the open.

Regarding those who would like to hear antecdotal comments on whether JC is a safe place to live, can peruse previous discussions, there are plenty.

So Jerry Healy is our David Dinkins.... can we skip over having our Rudy Guiliani to having our own Michael Bloomberg? or even better, Ken Livingstone of London?

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The Administrations claim that more cops are needed needs to be looked at critically. The Police Deaprtment like the Fire Department and other city Departments is also a place for patronage. 1000 members is, I think, about 200 more than the Department had under Scundler. Schundler infuriated the cops by:
1. Civilianization- that is having non union civilians do jobs that don't require a badge and gun, e.g. processing criminal records.
2. Community policiing, that is getting cops out on the beat/on the street.
3. Invigorating the chain of command. There was an effort to get superviosrs to act like supervisors rather than like fellow union members. Supervisors who did not step up to the plate and, for instance, discipline negligent officers were themselves liable to be disciplined- a shocking wake up at the time.
4. Merit in promotions. A measure of merit beyond the civil service exam for which anyone can cram was introduced. Thus for the first time in the Department's hisotry, the Rule of Three was used to by pass unacceptable promotional candidates.

In many ways, the JCPD is a great organization that functions remarkably well given these institutional and historical accidents that encourage disfunction. WIth the right leadership, the Department can easily regain its equilibrium. Nalbach by the way is an excellent cop.

Another issue that mitigates against police reponsiveness is the fact that the cops all live out of town. The PBA like the Firemen's Union and, of course, the teachers' union have all made certain that they alone of municipal workers cannot by law be forced to live here. The result is a disdain for those who remain. Many of them look on us as chumps too stupid not to have moved to Secaucus or Toms River.

And since taxes is an issue here, the Fire Department is bloated and should be reduced. I thing the Fire together with police take up like half the muncipal budget.

The writer on this thread who described the currrent situation as Jersey City's Dinkens era is, I think, on target.

However, in addition to policing, the administration needs to address quality of life issues. It was definitively established by Wilson in his Broken Window study that a laissez faire attitide to quality of life issues, e.g. trash, public urination, homeless, lead to petty crime (street sales of CDS), to big crime murder and mahem). Things went down hill in this area under Cunningham. The excuse I heard was that he had focused on previously neglected neighborhoods and that focus had flushed some of the problems in to downtown. I doubt that. I just think it was an unresponsive administration that did not buy the "Broken window approach" or the idea that the reform of the JCPD had to continue.






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The Administrations claim that more cops are needed needs to be looked at critically. The Police Deaprtment like the Fire Department and other city Departments is also a place for patronage. 1000 members is, I think, about 200 more than the Department had under Scundler. Schundler infuriated the cops by:
1. Civilianization- that is having non union civilians do jobs that don't require a badge and gun, e.g. processing criminal records.
2. Community policiing, that is getting cops out on the beat/on the street.
3. Invigorating the chain of command. There was an effort to get superviosrs to act like supervisors rather than like fellow union members. Supervisors who did not step up to the plate and, for instance, discipline negligent officers were themselves liable to be disciplined- a shocking wake up at the time.
4. Merit in promotions. A measure of merit beyond the civil service exam for which anyone can cram was introduced. Thus for the first time in the Department's hisotry, the Rule of Three was used to by pass unacceptable promotional candidates.

In many ways, the JCPD is a great organization that functions remarkably well given these institutional and historical accidents that encourage disfunction. WIth the right leadership, the Department can easily regain its equilibrium. Nalbach by the way is an excellent cop.

Another issue that mitigates against police reponsiveness is the fact that the cops all live out of town. The PBA like the Firemen's Union and, of course, the teachers' union have all made certain that they alone of municipal workers cannot by law be forced to live here. The result is a disdain for those who remain. Many of them look on us as chumps too stupid not to have moved to Secaucus or Toms River.

And since taxes is an issue here, the Fire Department is bloated and should be reduced. I thing the Fire together with police take up like half the muncipal budget.

The writer on this thread who described the currrent situation as Jersey City's Dinkens era is, I think, on target.

However, in addition to policing, the administration needs to address quality of life issues. It was definitively established by Wilson in his Broken Window study that a laissez faire attitide to quality of life issues, e.g. trash, public urination, homeless, lead to petty crime (street sales of CDS), to big crime murder and mahem). Things went down hill in this area under Cunningham. The excuse I heard was that he had focused on previously neglected neighborhoods and that focus had flushed some of the problems in to downtown. I doubt that. I just think it was an unresponsive administration that did not buy the "Broken window approach" or the idea that the reform of the JCPD had to continue.






Posted on: 2006/3/6 9:25
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Most of JC is, in my opinion, pretty safe, most of the time. My own block, in the Heights, is as safe as any place I've ever lived. But...other blocks in the Heights are pretty dicey. JC (like, say, Brooklyn) is a block by block proposition. I have been in parts of Crown Heights that are as bad as our worst...and of course Brooklyn Heights is as good as our best.

Stories like the NY Times piece (which I generally thought was pretty good) can be read as scenes in a political war where the incumbents (essentially direct descendents of JV Kenny and Frank Hague) are facing new enemies (affluent, educated residents who don't want jobs with the city or county on account of they make a lot more in the private sector) and the new enemies are drawing blood by making the incumbents seem stupid and overmatched.

Call this the David Dinkins era of JC history where the leadership seems to be losing to the darker forces.

But after Dinkins came...the Great Clean Up.

So it will be here.

That said, the incumbents aren't as dumb as they currently appear...so this ain't over until it's over.

In direct response to your question...safety/security are personal issues. It's hard to tell a person, you'll feel safe here or there. Come over, walk around neighborhoods that interest you, and make up your own mind.

Posted on: 2006/3/6 8:55
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i appreciate the response.....and ofcourse being aware of your environment is key - but when you read about attacks on mothers with children it has very little to do with "walking with a purposeful determination"

i'm still interested to hear other people's opinion

Posted on: 2006/3/6 7:43
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amin wrote:
I have been thinking of moving from NYC to downtown Jersey City with my wife and child - obviously safety is a big concern and i came across this article by chance.....I'm interested in finding out from people's experience....is it really as bad as the article says - with vigilante groups and self defence classes being offered it does not paint a good picture


The JC Guardian Angels are not a "vigilante group", nor are the pro-active members of the Downtown Watch groups.

Both groups are focused on working with residents of JC and the police to make everyone more aware of issues of safety, security and steps to minimalize criminality in our communities.

I have lived in Manhattan in NOHO, SOHO and in Brooklyn in Park Slope and Prospect Heights and can vouch that downtown JC is as safe as those areas.

However, if you lack "street sense", knowing how to walk with a purposeful determination, how to be aware of your surroundings at all times, etc., then likely you would find downtown JC as problematic as any area in Manhattan if you walked with disregard of your surroundings.

There are many families here in downtown JC, simply do a search on this site and PM people who post under topic threads of children, schools, safety, neighborhood groups, etc. and all will be happy to tell you why downtown JC is as safe as most places in NY and safer than many others in Manhattan.

Even with our problems with crime it's still a great place to live, find community and there are many here who will agree as disagree. We're nothing if not a vocal group!

Posted on: 2006/3/6 1:54
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I have been thinking of moving from NYC to downtown Jersey City with my wife and child - obviously safety is a big concern and i came across this article by chance.....I'm interested in finding out from people's experience....is it really as bad as the article says - with vigilante groups and self defence classes being offered it does not paint a good picture

Posted on: 2006/3/6 0:38
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